Re: [ubuntu-art] Karmic Questions
On Sun, 2009-03-29 at 22:06 +0100, Andrew wrote: > Message: 9 > Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 14:18:25 -0400 > From: Andrew > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Karmic Questions > To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > 2009/3/29 Kenneth Wimer : > >> I went ahead and updated my personal branch of community-themes to > >> remove Dust and New Wave and add Impression. What about Kin, do we > >> still want it? Are there any other themes that should be added? > Should > >> I ask for this to be uploaded? > > > > Adding Impression and shiki-colors, when possible, is what the > community > > seems to want, judging by the emails we received. I wondered about > Kin > > myself...not sure what to do here. In the end, I'd like to see the > community > > help lead on this package (or perhaps we should change the name :p) > > > > snip > > >> Who makes these decisions? The community? If so, how? You? > > > > So far, I am the voice of Canonical on this list as well as one of > the main > > people trying to keep things going in one direction. The idea is to > work > > with the community and enable them to be productive - whether that > is on the > > default artwork for Ubuntu or on other projects. At this point, it > is > > probably easier for me to get packages/changes included in Jaunty > though :) > > > > Heh... I suppose those were meant more as rhetorical questions that we > all should be thinking about. > > I guess what I'm getting at is that I'd like to hear some opinions > from the community about the goals and processes for the > community-themes package. With Jaunty almost out the door, I'd like to > start the community planning for Karmic. So I'm trying to instigate a > little discussion. > > If no one else comes up with something. I'll try to propose something > a bit more concrete after Jaunty's release, but in general my ideas > are: > > 1. Define some guidelines for inclusion in the package. Possibly > something as simple as being proposed on this list, shared on the > wiki, ect... Essentially, not just a cool but random theme from > GNOME-Look, but something actually from _this_ community. Create a wiki page with guidelines and other advice. > 2. Set a deadline before Feature Freeze for themes to be submitted. > Updates/fixes to the included these of course continue after being > accepted. Part of the guidelines. Let the published milestones of the release schedule be our deadlines. > 3. Define a decision making process. Possibly using the voting feature > on Launchpad for the Ubuntu Artwork Team? I haven't participated in a launchpad poll but I'm sure it will meet our needs. > 4. Set a date for the new themes to be uploaded. Feature Freeze? > Artwork Deadline? > Release schedule "final dead line". > Comments? Ideas? > > >> My branch can be found here: > >> > >> > >> > https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~andrewsomething/community-themes/community > >>-themes > >> > >> Hope that helps. It would be a shame for nothing to happen to the > >> package... > > > > I'll check it out and get back to you...Sunday here, family time! > > > > Have a great and relaxing Sunday! Thanks for your work on this. > > - Andrew > My thoughts exactly. My question is support. Would bug reports come to community themes or directly to the community project. John -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Karmic Questions
В 17:54 +0200 на 30.03.2009 (пн), Thorsten Wilms написа: > This should ideally be fuelled by those who already succeeded in having > their themes included, as they know how it can work and how much time it > all takes. And Kenneth, of course ;) I'll be glad to help ;) Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Karmic Questions
On Mon, 2009-03-30 at 11:20 -0400, Saleel wrote: > Agreed with both your points. Number 4 I feel should be slightly later > than the official artwork deadline, in case some one is contributing to > both. Someone will have to write up a draft of what the decision making > process should look like, any volunteers? Or should we just start a new > topic and brainstorm into it? New topic, yes. This should ideally be fuelled by those who already succeeded in having their themes included, as they know how it can work and how much time it all takes. And Kenneth, of course ;) -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Karmic Questions
Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Sun, 2009-03-29 at 14:18 -0400, Andrew wrote: > > >> 1. Define some guidelines for inclusion in the package. Possibly >> something as simple as being proposed on this list, shared on the >> wiki, ect... Essentially, not just a cool but random theme from >> GNOME-Look, but something actually from _this_ community. >> 2. Set a deadline before Feature Freeze for themes to be submitted. >> Updates/fixes to the included these of course continue after being >> accepted. >> 3. Define a decision making process. Possibly using the voting feature >> on Launchpad for the Ubuntu Artwork Team? >> 4. Set a date for the new themes to be uploaded. Feature Freeze? >> Artwork Deadline? >> > > I'm in support of all your points. But not in favour of voting. Rough > consensus or even dictatorship is better. Meritocracy not democracy, > please ;) Agreed with both your points. Number 4 I feel should be slightly later than the official artwork deadline, in case some one is contributing to both. Someone will have to write up a draft of what the decision making process should look like, any volunteers? Or should we just start a new topic and brainstorm into it? --Saleel -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Karmic Questions
On Sun, 2009-03-29 at 14:18 -0400, Andrew wrote: > 1. Define some guidelines for inclusion in the package. Possibly > something as simple as being proposed on this list, shared on the > wiki, ect... Essentially, not just a cool but random theme from > GNOME-Look, but something actually from _this_ community. > 2. Set a deadline before Feature Freeze for themes to be submitted. > Updates/fixes to the included these of course continue after being > accepted. > 3. Define a decision making process. Possibly using the voting feature > on Launchpad for the Ubuntu Artwork Team? > 4. Set a date for the new themes to be uploaded. Feature Freeze? > Artwork Deadline? I'm in support of all your points. But not in favour of voting. Rough consensus or even dictatorship is better. Meritocracy not democracy, please ;) -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Karmic Questions
2009/3/29 Kenneth Wimer : >> I went ahead and updated my personal branch of community-themes to >> remove Dust and New Wave and add Impression. What about Kin, do we >> still want it? Are there any other themes that should be added? Should >> I ask for this to be uploaded? > > Adding Impression and shiki-colors, when possible, is what the community > seems to want, judging by the emails we received. I wondered about Kin > myself...not sure what to do here. In the end, I'd like to see the community > help lead on this package (or perhaps we should change the name :p) > snip >> Who makes these decisions? The community? If so, how? You? > > So far, I am the voice of Canonical on this list as well as one of the main > people trying to keep things going in one direction. The idea is to work > with the community and enable them to be productive - whether that is on the > default artwork for Ubuntu or on other projects. At this point, it is > probably easier for me to get packages/changes included in Jaunty though :) > Heh... I suppose those were meant more as rhetorical questions that we all should be thinking about. I guess what I'm getting at is that I'd like to hear some opinions from the community about the goals and processes for the community-themes package. With Jaunty almost out the door, I'd like to start the community planning for Karmic. So I'm trying to instigate a little discussion. If no one else comes up with something. I'll try to propose something a bit more concrete after Jaunty's release, but in general my ideas are: 1. Define some guidelines for inclusion in the package. Possibly something as simple as being proposed on this list, shared on the wiki, ect... Essentially, not just a cool but random theme from GNOME-Look, but something actually from _this_ community. 2. Set a deadline before Feature Freeze for themes to be submitted. Updates/fixes to the included these of course continue after being accepted. 3. Define a decision making process. Possibly using the voting feature on Launchpad for the Ubuntu Artwork Team? 4. Set a date for the new themes to be uploaded. Feature Freeze? Artwork Deadline? Comments? Ideas? >> My branch can be found here: >> >> >> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~andrewsomething/community-themes/community >>-themes >> >> Hope that helps. It would be a shame for nothing to happen to the >> package... > > I'll check it out and get back to you...Sunday here, family time! > Have a great and relaxing Sunday! Thanks for your work on this. - Andrew -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Karmic Questions
On Saturday 28 March 2009 22:57:23 Andrew wrote: > 2009/3/28 Kenneth Wimer : > >> It would have been nice to see some items land in community-themes but > >> that effort did not bear fruit. As you plan for Karmic that should be a > >> topic for discussion. > > > > As the community-themes package is in universe we can still update it. > > I'm not sure what the plans are, but Impression seemed to get a lot of > support. Shiki-colors did as well, but I personally think there are > some issues with putting it in the community-themes packages. It's > actually five different themes, they really should have the > corresponding icon themes, ect... I'll be submitting shiki-colors and > gnome-colors packages for Debian soon. Hopefully they'll get accepted. > When they are synced into Karmic we can backport them to Jaunty. Right, when I looked into it that was essentially what I thought as well. > I went ahead and updated my personal branch of community-themes to > remove Dust and New Wave and add Impression. What about Kin, do we > still want it? Are there any other themes that should be added? Should > I ask for this to be uploaded? Adding Impression and shiki-colors, when possible, is what the community seems to want, judging by the emails we received. I wondered about Kin myself...not sure what to do here. In the end, I'd like to see the community help lead on this package (or perhaps we should change the name :p) > Who makes these decisions? The community? If so, how? You? So far, I am the voice of Canonical on this list as well as one of the main people trying to keep things going in one direction. The idea is to work with the community and enable them to be productive - whether that is on the default artwork for Ubuntu or on other projects. At this point, it is probably easier for me to get packages/changes included in Jaunty though :) > My branch can be found here: > > https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~andrewsomething/community-themes/community >-themes > > Hope that helps. It would be a shame for nothing to happen to the > package... I'll check it out and get back to you...Sunday here, family time! -- Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Karmic Questions.
2009/3/28 Kenneth Wimer > On Saturday 28 March 2009 17:21:50 Saleel wrote: > > Cory K. wrote: > > > I don't mean to be a pain at all I just mean to get you thinking a > > > little to ask different questions that don't make it appear as though > we > > > on this list are bound by any guidelines Canonical puts out. ;) > > > > After consideration, you are right. So then the question becomes: Do we > > as a community want to work on art involving a specific and new common > > palette? I think that we should, working from a common pallet may help > > bring forward the strength and weakness of certain color schemes. It > > would also give the end user something fresh, but unified to look at > > upon installation. > > > > > In the end, I would bet they aren't even sure what they're doing quite > > > yet. > > > > God I hope not. > > > We started working on Karmic a few weeks ago and work is going well. Please > understand that we are also still releasing Jaunty. At this time I can't say > when we will have information available but know that we are working on it > and it is coming. > > > -- > Ken > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > > Its called karmic koala? I was hoping to call it kool koala -- Ubuntu FTW! -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Karmic Questions
2009/3/28 Kenneth Wimer : >> It would have been nice to see some items land in community-themes but >> that effort did not bear fruit. As you plan for Karmic that should be a >> topic for discussion. > > As the community-themes package is in universe we can still update it. > I'm not sure what the plans are, but Impression seemed to get a lot of support. Shiki-colors did as well, but I personally think there are some issues with putting it in the community-themes packages. It's actually five different themes, they really should have the corresponding icon themes, ect... I'll be submitting shiki-colors and gnome-colors packages for Debian soon. Hopefully they'll get accepted. When they are synced into Karmic we can backport them to Jaunty. I went ahead and updated my personal branch of community-themes to remove Dust and New Wave and add Impression. What about Kin, do we still want it? Are there any other themes that should be added? Should I ask for this to be uploaded? Who makes these decisions? The community? If so, how? You? My branch can be found here: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~andrewsomething/community-themes/community-themes Hope that helps. It would be a shame for nothing to happen to the package... - Andrew Starr-Bochicchio -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Karmic Questions
On Saturday 28 March 2009 18:16:28 John Baer wrote: > Ken, > > What is the desire for submissions that missed the cut? My thoughts are > to push them to gnome-look and its sibling sites. Although designed with > Ubuntu in mind they may add value to other open source projects. :) Naturally, everything can go to ubuntu-look.org or similar sites so that everyone gets something from theme. > It would have been nice to see some items land in community-themes but > that effort did not bear fruit. As you plan for Karmic that should be a > topic for discussion. As the community-themes package is in universe we can still update it. -- Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Karmic Questions
On Sat, 2009-03-28 at 16:29 + Kenneth Wimer wrote: > Message: 11 > Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:29:51 +0100 > From: Kenneth Wimer > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Karmic Questions. > To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > Message-ID: <200903281729.51818.kw...@ubuntu.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On Saturday 28 March 2009 17:21:50 Saleel wrote: > > Cory K. wrote: > > > I don't mean to be a pain at all I just mean to get you thinking a > > > little to ask different questions that don't make it appear as > though we > > > on this list are bound by any guidelines Canonical puts out. ;) > > > > After consideration, you are right. So then the question becomes: Do > we > > as a community want to work on art involving a specific and new > common > > palette? I think that we should, working from a common pallet may > help > > bring forward the strength and weakness of certain color schemes. It > > would also give the end user something fresh, but unified to look > at > > upon installation. > > > > > In the end, I would bet they aren't even sure what they're doing > quite > > > yet. > > > > God I hope not. > > We started working on Karmic a few weeks ago and work is going well. > Please > understand that we are also still releasing Jaunty. At this time I > can't say > when we will have information available but know that we are working > on it and > it is coming. > > -- > Ken Ken, What is the desire for submissions that missed the cut? My thoughts are to push them to gnome-look and its sibling sites. Although designed with Ubuntu in mind they may add value to other open source projects. :) It would have been nice to see some items land in community-themes but that effort did not bear fruit. As you plan for Karmic that should be a topic for discussion. John -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Karmic Questions.
On Saturday 28 March 2009 17:21:50 Saleel wrote: > Cory K. wrote: > > I don't mean to be a pain at all I just mean to get you thinking a > > little to ask different questions that don't make it appear as though we > > on this list are bound by any guidelines Canonical puts out. ;) > > After consideration, you are right. So then the question becomes: Do we > as a community want to work on art involving a specific and new common > palette? I think that we should, working from a common pallet may help > bring forward the strength and weakness of certain color schemes. It > would also give the end user something fresh, but unified to look at > upon installation. > > > In the end, I would bet they aren't even sure what they're doing quite > > yet. > > God I hope not. We started working on Karmic a few weeks ago and work is going well. Please understand that we are also still releasing Jaunty. At this time I can't say when we will have information available but know that we are working on it and it is coming. -- Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Karmic Questions.
Cory K. wrote: > I don't mean to be a pain at all I just mean to get you thinking a > little to ask different questions that don't make it appear as though we > on this list are bound by any guidelines Canonical puts out. ;) > After consideration, you are right. So then the question becomes: Do we as a community want to work on art involving a specific and new common palette? I think that we should, working from a common pallet may help bring forward the strength and weakness of certain color schemes. It would also give the end user something fresh, but unified to look at upon installation. > In the end, I would bet they aren't even sure what they're doing quite yet. God I hope not. --Saleel -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Karmic Questions.
Saleel wrote: > Cory K. wrote: > >> Why? Where is there anything saying that what we do has to be in line >> with what they do? Who put that handcuff on us? >> >> > I have always thought that they should complement each other.When a > user chooses to install the community packages, he or she is looking for > artwork to boost the default install right? > That's your personal opinion. :) Maybe I or another user wants another interpretation of what Ubuntu art would look like? :) >> What stops (or what /should/ stop) anyone from coming in and leading an >> effort to create some Pink N' Brown Ubuntu theme? >> > In this particular example, hopefully the gag reflex. :-) > I am not saying that there should be rules/guidelines on what we can or > cannot produce, I am saying that knowing what the officials are doing > would help us produce complementary artwork, if we wish to. > Again, personal feelings. :) Blubuntu is a great theme that many Ubuntu users loved. I don't mean to be a pain at all I just mean to get you thinking a little to ask different questions that don't make it appear as though we on this list are bound by any guidelines Canonical puts out. ;) For sure, *if* Canonical wants anything from us what you are looking for should be given. "We need *X*. Here are some guidelines." In the end, I would bet they aren't even sure what they're doing quite yet. -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Karmic Questions.
Cory K. wrote: > Why? Where is there anything saying that what we do has to be in line > with what they do? Who put that handcuff on us? > I have always thought that they should complement each other. When a user chooses to install the community packages, he or she is looking for artwork to boost the default install right? > What stops (or what /should/ stop) anyone from coming in and leading an > effort to create some Pink N' Brown Ubuntu theme? In this particular example, hopefully the gag reflex. :-) I am not saying that there should be rules/guidelines on what we can or cannot produce, I am saying that knowing what the officials are doing would help us produce complementary artwork, if we wish to. --Saleel -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Karmic Questions.
Saleel wrote: > Cory K. wrote: > >> Who says we'll be contributing to Karmic? >> >> > The communities artwork should be in tune with whatever the grownups are > doing. Speak for yourself there kid. ;) > It would be odd if we started/produced work on brown wallpapers > if the official gui is -for example- pink. > Why? Where is there anything saying that what we do has to be in line with what they do? Who put that handcuff on us? What stops (or what /should/ stop) anyone from coming in and leading an effort to create some Pink N' Brown Ubuntu theme? -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Karmic Questions.
Cory K. wrote: > > Who says we'll be contributing to Karmic? > > > -Cory K. The communities artwork should be in tune with whatever the grownups are doing. It would be odd if we started/produced work on brown wallpapers if the official gui is -for example- pink. --Saleel -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Karmic Questions.
Saleel wrote: > I know that Karmic is going to have 'designers fingerprints all over > it', is there an actual new palette of colors that we can start > referring to? Will the alpha/betas of Karmic have an alpha/beta > background? It is very difficult to start putting down ideas if I cant > think in the right colors. Who says we'll be contributing to Karmic? -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Karmic Questions.
I know that Karmic is going to have 'designers fingerprints all over it', is there an actual new palette of colors that we can start referring to? Will the alpha/betas of Karmic have an alpha/beta background? It is very difficult to start putting down ideas if I cant think in the right colors. Saleel -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
