Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks

2008-01-29 Thread SzerencseFia
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Hi Ken,

I have done some job on this almost completed. Give a try and tell me your 
opinion.

cheers,
SzerencseFia


Kenneth Wimer wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 After discussing the ubuntu-looks engine with a few developers we have 
 decided 
 to look into replacing it with clear-looks (or perhaps murrine) for Hardy. 
 This means that we need a gtkrc of the new variety (which one can change the 
 colors to afterwards) based on the current ubuntu theme. After we have that 
 we can look into tweaking some colors. If anyone is interested in working on 
 this let me know or post it as a response to this email.
 
 Thanks,
 Ken
 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks

2008-01-24 Thread Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen
On 23/01/2008, xl cheese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I agree 100%.  I just posted that pic as an example of the menubar and
 toolbars.

  _however_  ...
 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=500437


I have a patch for this. I will attach it to the bug later tonight. I
think that it might be a controversial issue though, so don't get your
hopes up. Also stuff like Firefox that use custom menubar
implementations will likely not have this feature (or does FF3 use a
real GtkMenuBar?).

Cheers,
Mikkel

  
  Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:11:38 -0600
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
 Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks

 On Jan 23, 2008 9:53 AM, xl cheese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 3.  If you want the lines gone you'll need to petition the gtk engine
 developers to allow me to add a patch to the clearlooks engine.  I'm running
 my altered version and the patch is transparent to the existing gtkrc's that
 already exist.  You have to just change the menubarstyle and toolbarstyle to
 a new option within the gtkrc.  I pinged them about adding my code to the
 engine, but received no response.

 Guessing you want to see something more like this screenshot?  I can easily
 adjust the contrast of the menubar and toolbar gradients more or less.
 http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1id=73163file1=73163-1.jpgfile2=file3=name=clearlooks+hack


 Be careful with this though... I used a couple themes like this and while
 looking very handsome and distinct, its hard to tell where to grab in order
 to move the window and I was frequently grabbing the toolbar or the menu bar
 instead of the title bar.

 I'm not saying this patch is bad, it could work, but the title bar should
 have some trait that says grab me - not the toolbar just below to avoid
 doing a +1 for looks and a -10 for usability.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks

2008-01-24 Thread Sebastian Billaudelle
Are you sure?
I'm playing arround with the 3.0a8 and it doesn't use a _real_ gtk
theme...
Afaik you can't use real gtk with XULRunner.
E. g.: The menubar-items have the style from the menuitems and so on.
Even the pages of the notebooks are a little bit funny;-)

cheers Sebastian Billaudelle
Am Donnerstag, den 24.01.2008, 07:46 -0600 schrieb xl cheese:

 I've been toying with firefox beta and it does in fact use GTK theming
 now.
 
 
 
 
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  Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:47:21 +0100
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
  Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks
  
  On 23/01/2008, xl cheese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   I agree 100%. I just posted that pic as an example of the menubar
 and
   toolbars.
  
   _however_ ...
   http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=500437
  
  
  I have a patch for this. I will attach it to the bug later tonight.
 I
  think that it might be a controversial issue though, so don't get
 your
  hopes up. Also stuff like Firefox that use custom menubar
  implementations will likely not have this feature (or does FF3 use a
  real GtkMenuBar?).
  
  Cheers,
  Mikkel
  
   
   Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:11:38 -0600
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
   Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks
  
   On Jan 23, 2008 9:53 AM, xl cheese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
  
   3. If you want the lines gone you'll need to petition the gtk
 engine
   developers to allow me to add a patch to the clearlooks engine.
 I'm running
   my altered version and the patch is transparent to the existing
 gtkrc's that
   already exist. You have to just change the menubarstyle and
 toolbarstyle to
   a new option within the gtkrc. I pinged them about adding my code
 to the
   engine, but received no response.
  
   Guessing you want to see something more like this screenshot? I
 can easily
   adjust the contrast of the menubar and toolbar gradients more or
 less.
  
 http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1id=73163file1=73163-1.jpgfile2=file3=name=clearlooks+hack
  
  
   Be careful with this though... I used a couple themes like this
 and while
   looking very handsome and distinct, its hard to tell where to grab
 in order
   to move the window and I was frequently grabbing the toolbar or
 the menu bar
   instead of the title bar.
  
   I'm not saying this patch is bad, it could work, but the title bar
 should
   have some trait that says grab me - not the toolbar just below
 to avoid
   doing a +1 for looks and a -10 for usability.
  
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Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks

2008-01-24 Thread Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen
On 24/01/2008, Sebastian Billaudelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Are you sure?
  I'm playing arround with the 3.0a8 and it doesn't use a _real_ gtk theme...
  Afaik you can't use real gtk with XULRunner.
  E. g.: The menubar-items have the style from the menuitems and so on.
  Even the pages of the notebooks are a little bit funny;-)

The code is attached to http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=500437 now.

The question about which theme it uses is irrelevant. The question
that matters is: Is it a genuine instance of a GtkMenuBar in the
Firefox menu, or a custom widget?.

I also have a nagging suspicion that OOo also might use a custom menu
implementation, but I really don't know.

Cheers,
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Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks

2008-01-23 Thread Nemes Ioan Sorin
You should try Aurora engine and Aurora Themes before (v1.3 AND 1.4)
some of them here (please check links from the page) 
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=566881page=2
(Aurora Borealis is a good example).

A .deb with the new Aurora Engine (v.1.4) 
http://www.costmoon.ro/aurora/gtk2-engines-aurora_1.4-1_i386.deb

Over other themes Aurora has a strong point that many nice themes ignore 
to fix (scrollbars are visible and visually unobtrusive and ..apart of 
well known gtk2 standard scrollbar).

Also clear-looks was almost perfect in Gummy version but now I see 
Andrea change back active tabs gradients into a colored line (gradient 
was OK ..and modern).


Kenneth Wimer wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 After discussing the ubuntu-looks engine with a few developers we have 
 decided 
 to look into replacing it with clear-looks (or perhaps murrine) for Hardy. 
 This means that we need a gtkrc of the new variety (which one can change the 
 colors to afterwards) based on the current ubuntu theme. After we have that 
 we can look into tweaking some colors. If anyone is interested in working on 
 this let me know or post it as a response to this email.
 
 Thanks,
 Ken
 


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Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks

2008-01-23 Thread Kenneth Wimer
Hi,

Thanks for the quick reply. Here a few comments:

1) The window decoration seems too simple (the simple window buttons are nice 
though)

2) The overlay on the active menu items seems a bit too pinkish/light. Not 
sure how to explain this better - if it is confusing I can make a screenshot 
to explain what I mean

3) There is a line between every menubar/toolbar/etc. I would prefer not using 
any line to seperate these.

I am using your theme on my laptop, I'll report any other issues/ideas as I 
find them. Thanks again for the great work :-)

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On Wednesday 23 January 2008 02:39:31 xl cheese wrote:
 Gummy version and the Glossy again.  The previous glossy theme wasn't
 right.

 Theres also a pixmap for the panel background.  Tossed it in for fun.

  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
  Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:07:12 +0100
  Subject: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks
 
  Hi all,
 
  After discussing the ubuntu-looks engine with a few developers we have
  decided to look into replacing it with clear-looks (or perhaps murrine)
  for Hardy. This means that we need a gtkrc of the new variety (which one
  can change the colors to afterwards) based on the current ubuntu theme.
  After we have that we can look into tweaking some colors. If anyone is
  interested in working on this let me know or post it as a response to
  this email.
 
  Thanks,
  Ken
 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks

2008-01-23 Thread Kenneth Wimer
On Wednesday 23 January 2008 13:18:10 Kenneth Wimer wrote:
 I am using your theme on my laptop, I'll report any other issues/ideas as I
 find them. Thanks again for the great work :-)


Another thing that I noticed is that the background of the volume applet is 
messed up as it seems to tile a gradient :-(

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 On Wednesday 23 January 2008 02:39:31 xl cheese wrote:
  Gummy version and the Glossy again.  The previous glossy theme wasn't
  right.
 
  Theres also a pixmap for the panel background.  Tossed it in for fun.
 
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
   Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:07:12 +0100
   Subject: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks
  
   Hi all,
  
   After discussing the ubuntu-looks engine with a few developers we have
   decided to look into replacing it with clear-looks (or perhaps murrine)
   for Hardy. This means that we need a gtkrc of the new variety (which
   one can change the colors to afterwards) based on the current ubuntu
   theme. After we have that we can look into tweaking some colors. If
   anyone is interested in working on this let me know or post it as a
   response to this email.
  
   Thanks,
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Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks

2008-01-23 Thread Kenneth Wimer
Murrine is one of the two engines I considered changing to (either clear-looks 
or murrine, then). I am guessing that murrine is much more flexible than 
clear-looks. Personally, I like murrine very much ;-)

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On Wednesday 23 January 2008 14:16:54 Cory K. wrote:
 Nemes Ioan Sorin wrote:
  You should try Aurora engine and Aurora Themes

 This was the engine that had no reason to exist right? The one forked
 from Murrine and could be done within Murrine?

 -Cory

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Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks

2008-01-23 Thread astraljava
Nemes Ioan Sorin wrote:
 Nemes Ioan Sorin wrote:
 You should try Aurora engine and Aurora Themes

 Cory K. wrote:
 This was the engine that had no reason to exist right? The one forked
 from Murrine and could be done within Murrine?

 This kind of answer should not exist, right ?
 And I'm asking here all members of this list.

I see no reason why it shouldn't.

 So please do not respond without arguments

Not sure what stands for an argument for you, but to me the redundancy
suggested by Cory was obvious; the functionality is already existing and
nothing new is being introduced. That's an argument for me.

 - also please respond if you
 have something to say about. Else ..just to point here some vanity -
 this is not the scope of this list.

The last I looked the description says Discussion on Ubuntu artwork, so
I don't know how you view that line. But again, it's not a pointless post
by any means. Can you please elaborate how you felt it as a waste of
bandwidth?


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Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks

2008-01-23 Thread Cory K.
xl cheese wrote:
 1.  Easy fix.  the metacity button prelights also need some tlc.
 2.  Easy fix.
  
 3.  If you want the lines gone you'll need to petition the gtk engine
 developers to allow me to add a patch to the clearlooks engine.  I'm
 running my altered version and the patch is transparent to the
 existing gtkrc's that already exist.  You have to just change the
 menubarstyle and toolbarstyle to a new option within the gtkrc.  I
 pinged them about adding my code to the engine, but received no response.

Cimi last time I knew was on this list and he could add your patch to
Clearlooks.

  
 Guessing you want to see something more like this screenshot?  I can
 easily adjust the contrast of the menubar and toolbar gradients more
 or less.
 http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1id=73163file1=73163-1.jpgfile2=file3=name=clearlooks+hack
 http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1id=73163file1=73163-1.jpgfile2=file3=name=clearlooks+hack


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Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks

2008-01-23 Thread Matthew Nuzum
On Jan 23, 2008 9:53 AM, xl cheese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 3.  If you want the lines gone you'll need to petition the gtk engine
 developers to allow me to add a patch to the clearlooks engine.  I'm running
 my altered version and the patch is transparent to the existing gtkrc's that
 already exist.  You have to just change the menubarstyle and toolbarstyle to
 a new option within the gtkrc.  I pinged them about adding my code to the
 engine, but received no response.

 Guessing you want to see something more like this screenshot?  I can
 easily adjust the contrast of the menubar and toolbar gradients more or
 less.

 http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1id=73163file1=73163-1.jpgfile2=file3=name=clearlooks+hack


Be careful with this though... I used a couple themes like this and while
looking very handsome and distinct, its hard to tell where to grab in order
to move the window and I was frequently grabbing the toolbar or the menu bar
instead of the title bar.

I'm not saying this patch is bad, it could work, but the title bar should
have some trait that says grab me - not the toolbar just below to avoid
doing a +1 for looks and a -10 for usability.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks

2008-01-23 Thread xl cheese
If they don't want to add these changes to clearlooks we could go back to 
ubuntulooks and add the code there.  Either way it wouldn't be too hard.

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Date: Wed, 23 Jan 
 2008 16:58:37 +0100 Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to 
 clear-looks  On Wednesday 23 January 2008 16:53:00 xl cheese wrote:  1. 
 Easy fix. the metacity button prelights also need some tlc.  2. Easy fix. 
  Cool!   3. If you want the lines gone you'll need to petition the gtk 
 engine  developers to allow me to add a patch to the clearlooks engine. 
 I'm  running my altered version and the patch is transparent to the 
 existing  gtkrc's that already exist. You have to just change the 
 menubarstyle and  toolbarstyle to a new option within the gtkrc. I pinged 
 them about adding  my code to the engine, but received no response.  Hrm, 
 I wonder if one of our developers who knows someone personally involved  
 could get a better response   Guessing you want to see something more 
 like this screenshot? I can easily  adjust the contrast of the menubar and 
 toolbar gradients more or less.  
 http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1id=73163file1=7316 
 3-1.jpgfile2=file3=name=clearlooks+hack  Right, this is much more 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks

2008-01-23 Thread xl cheese
I agree 100%.  I just posted that pic as an example of the menubar and toolbars.
 
_however_  ...  http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=500437


Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:11:38 -0600From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]: Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looksOn Jan 23, 
2008 9:53 AM, xl cheese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


3.  If you want the lines gone you'll need to petition the gtk engine 
developers to allow me to add a patch to the clearlooks engine.  I'm running my 
altered version and the patch is transparent to the existing gtkrc's that 
already exist.  You have to just change the menubarstyle and toolbarstyle to a 
new option within the gtkrc.  I pinged them about adding my code to the engine, 
but received no response.  Guessing you want to see something more like this 
screenshot?  I can easily adjust the contrast of the menubar and toolbar 
gradients more or 
less.http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1id=73163file1=73163-1.jpgfile2=file3=name=clearlooks+hack
 Be careful with this though... I used a couple themes like this and while 
looking very handsome and distinct, its hard to tell where to grab in order to 
move the window and I was frequently grabbing the toolbar or the menu bar 
instead of the title bar. I'm not saying this patch is bad, it could work, but 
the title bar should have some trait that says grab me - not the toolbar just 
below to avoid doing a +1 for looks and a -10 for usability.-- Matthew 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks

2008-01-23 Thread xl cheese
like this:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/SmoothMergedGradients?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=HumanMetacity.png


Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:11:38 -0600From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]: Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looksOn Jan 23, 
2008 9:53 AM, xl cheese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


3.  If you want the lines gone you'll need to petition the gtk engine 
developers to allow me to add a patch to the clearlooks engine.  I'm running my 
altered version and the patch is transparent to the existing gtkrc's that 
already exist.  You have to just change the menubarstyle and toolbarstyle to a 
new option within the gtkrc.  I pinged them about adding my code to the engine, 
but received no response.  Guessing you want to see something more like this 
screenshot?  I can easily adjust the contrast of the menubar and toolbar 
gradients more or 
less.http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1id=73163file1=73163-1.jpgfile2=file3=name=clearlooks+hack
 Be careful with this though... I used a couple themes like this and while 
looking very handsome and distinct, its hard to tell where to grab in order to 
move the window and I was frequently grabbing the toolbar or the menu bar 
instead of the title bar. I'm not saying this patch is bad, it could work, but 
the title bar should have some trait that says grab me - not the toolbar just 
below to avoid doing a +1 for looks and a -10 for usability.-- Matthew 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks

2008-01-23 Thread Troy James Sobotka
Ken and xl (once again great effort xl):

Do you think this might be a wonderful opportunity to attempt and ease
off of the stuck-in-this-mindset conservativism by implementing a small
yet significant change to Ubuntu?

I believe this can be accomplished by making the shift to Murrine with a
custom configuration.  Dial down the nasty naff gloss and hone it into
something _close_ to current Ubuntulooks?

Judging from xl's work thus far, it appears he might be able to put the
leg-work into getting the config file polished enough for Hardy's release.

At least then we have a starting point for the real fight...

Sincerely,
TJS



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Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks

2008-01-22 Thread xl cheese
I can email out a gtkrc tonight.
 
 



 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Date: Tue, 22 Jan 
 2008 13:07:12 +0100 Subject: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to 
 clear-looks  Hi all,  After discussing the ubuntu-looks engine with a few 
 developers we have decided  to look into replacing it with clear-looks (or 
 perhaps murrine) for Hardy.  This means that we need a gtkrc of the new 
 variety (which one can change the  colors to afterwards) based on the 
 current ubuntu theme. After we have that  we can look into tweaking some 
 colors. If anyone is interested in working on  this let me know or post it 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks

2008-01-22 Thread xl cheese

Glossy Clearlooks...

I'll send out a gummy version in a little bit.

I used the clearlooks metacity and removed the button borders.  

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:07:12 +0100
 Subject: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks
 
 Hi all,
 
 After discussing the ubuntu-looks engine with a few developers we have 
 decided 
 to look into replacing it with clear-looks (or perhaps murrine) for Hardy. 
 This means that we need a gtkrc of the new variety (which one can change the 
 colors to afterwards) based on the current ubuntu theme. After we have that 
 we can look into tweaking some colors. If anyone is interested in working on 
 this let me know or post it as a response to this email.
 
 Thanks,
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Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks

2008-01-22 Thread xl cheese

Gummy version and the Glossy again.  The previous glossy theme wasn't right.

Theres also a pixmap for the panel background.  Tossed it in for fun.

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 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:07:12 +0100
 Subject: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks
 
 Hi all,
 
 After discussing the ubuntu-looks engine with a few developers we have 
 decided 
 to look into replacing it with clear-looks (or perhaps murrine) for Hardy. 
 This means that we need a gtkrc of the new variety (which one can change the 
 colors to afterwards) based on the current ubuntu theme. After we have that 
 we can look into tweaking some colors. If anyone is interested in working on 
 this let me know or post it as a response to this email.
 
 Thanks,
 Ken
 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks

2008-01-22 Thread Justin Rogers
I think my GummyJAR Theme which is a clear-looks theme that supports
changing colors can be implemented with a human color scheme.

Here is a screenshot of it from gnome-look

http://gnome-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre3/68671-3.jpg

remember it would be very easy to remove any themeing done on the menu bars
that has been implemented.

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kenneth Wimer
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 6:07 AM
To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks

Hi all,

After discussing the ubuntu-looks engine with a few developers we have
decided 
to look into replacing it with clear-looks (or perhaps murrine) for Hardy. 
This means that we need a gtkrc of the new variety (which one can change the

colors to afterwards) based on the current ubuntu theme. After we have that 
we can look into tweaking some colors. If anyone is interested in working on

this let me know or post it as a response to this email.

Thanks,
Ken

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