Re: [ubuntu-art] Edgy's current art looks like fecal matter :O

2006-09-13 Thread Htay Htay
Hi guys & gals,

Overall I think it looks great! The green taint looks really nice. However 
the login screen appears to be a bit rushed. Hope who ever designed it 
doesnt take this too personally, but the "cloud like puffs" doesn't look too 
crisp or fresh. It's easily done by a simple filter / effect in photoshop 
and it kind of takes the "edge" out of it.

Just my thoughts. Cheers

Htay

>From: Chuck Huber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: Troy James Sobotka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>CC: Ubuntu Art 
>Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Edgy's current art looks like fecal matter :O
>Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:53:20 -0700
>
>Something to keep in mind for those that haven't actually tried the
>artwork live:  The dappling effect is entirely different on fullscreen
>than it appears in the thumbnail view.  Depending on your monitor size
>and resolution it can be almost unnoticable at times, so I'd recommend
>people try it before judging the artwork.
>
>After seeing the thumbnail view, I also expected a strong dappling
>effect and had to downloaded xara to double it after finding it hardly
>visible on my machine.
>
>Chuck
>
>On Tue, 2006-09-12 at 06:23 -0700, Troy James Sobotka wrote:
> > On Tue, 2006-12-09 at 17:03 +1000, Jasper Schalken wrote:
> > > I know I'm being blunt, but it's true. It's dark brown, it's lumpy,
> > > and it has red and green streaks running through it. Not a pleasant
> > > combination :P.
> > >
> >
> > Yikes.  There is another version without the dappling here:
> >
> > 
>wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkPlan/Produce/Incoming/CurrentDefault
> >
> > PS:  If you have blue and red in there, I would go get that
> > checked out.  It generally isn't a good sign.
> >
> >
> > > JMak did an excellent job of this in his login screens. He kept the
> > > same brown or tan hue throughout and the background was a plain matte
> > > circular gradient like Dapper's login.
> > >
> >
> > I agree 100%.  I think Jmak's top logon is probably the best
> > design I have seen in a long long while.  That said, the
> > GDM is unlikely to change if you do a little research into
> > the issue.  With a few minor tweaks to unify it with the
> > existing Ubuntu fixed palette items, I believed that it could
> > have been a wonderful GDM.
> >
> > > Junel Mujar also made some excellent backgrounds using very muted
> > > tones here.
> >
> > Gnome-look has many too.
> >
> > Thanks for your awareness and insight.  The best way to achieve
> > results is to keep the participation level high.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > TJS
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Edgy's current art looks like fecal matter :O

2006-09-12 Thread Chuck Huber
Something to keep in mind for those that haven't actually tried the
artwork live:  The dappling effect is entirely different on fullscreen
than it appears in the thumbnail view.  Depending on your monitor size
and resolution it can be almost unnoticable at times, so I'd recommend
people try it before judging the artwork.

After seeing the thumbnail view, I also expected a strong dappling
effect and had to downloaded xara to double it after finding it hardly
visible on my machine.

Chuck

On Tue, 2006-09-12 at 06:23 -0700, Troy James Sobotka wrote:
> On Tue, 2006-12-09 at 17:03 +1000, Jasper Schalken wrote:
> > I know I'm being blunt, but it's true. It's dark brown, it's lumpy,
> > and it has red and green streaks running through it. Not a pleasant
> > combination :P.
> > 
> 
> Yikes.  There is another version without the dappling here:
> 
> wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkPlan/Produce/Incoming/CurrentDefault
> 
> PS:  If you have blue and red in there, I would go get that 
> checked out.  It generally isn't a good sign.
> 
> 
> > JMak did an excellent job of this in his login screens. He kept the
> > same brown or tan hue throughout and the background was a plain matte
> > circular gradient like Dapper's login. 
> > 
> 
> I agree 100%.  I think Jmak's top logon is probably the best
> design I have seen in a long long while.  That said, the
> GDM is unlikely to change if you do a little research into
> the issue.  With a few minor tweaks to unify it with the
> existing Ubuntu fixed palette items, I believed that it could
> have been a wonderful GDM.
> 
> > Junel Mujar also made some excellent backgrounds using very muted
> > tones here.
> 
> Gnome-look has many too. 
> 
> Thanks for your awareness and insight.  The best way to achieve
> results is to keep the participation level high.
> 
> Sincerely,
> TJS
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Edgy's current art looks like fecal matter :O

2006-09-12 Thread Joao Inacio
On 9/12/06, qingjia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:23:54 +0800, Troy James Sobotka
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> >> JMak did an excellent job of this in his login screens. He kept the
> >> same brown or tan hue throughout and the background was a plain matte
> >> circular gradient like Dapper's login.
>
>100% agree.  JMak's design is the best I've ever seen. It's bloody
> amazing and sexy. It would be perfect if JMak's design could be adopted by
> Ubuntu.
>

Personally, and though i love the design itself, i don't find the dark
brown colors that enjoyable. I mean... the screens look good but i
simply can't imagine myself actually using a gdm theme with dark brown
colors.

My POV is from a simple user and i don't have any "art" knowledge, but
imho many users will agree with this.


Still, it's amazing the work that's been done and i'll be extremely
happy to see the final results!

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Edgy's current art looks like fecal matter :O

2006-09-12 Thread qingjia
On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:23:54 +0800, Troy James Sobotka  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>> JMak did an excellent job of this in his login screens. He kept the
>> same brown or tan hue throughout and the background was a plain matte
>> circular gradient like Dapper's login.

   100% agree.  JMak's design is the best I've ever seen. It's bloody  
amazing and sexy. It would be perfect if JMak's design could be adopted by  
Ubuntu.

>
> Sincerely,
> TJS



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Re: [ubuntu-art] Edgy's current art looks like fecal matter :O

2006-09-12 Thread Troy James Sobotka
On Tue, 2006-12-09 at 17:03 +1000, Jasper Schalken wrote:
> I know I'm being blunt, but it's true. It's dark brown, it's lumpy,
> and it has red and green streaks running through it. Not a pleasant
> combination :P.
> 

Yikes.  There is another version without the dappling here:

wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkPlan/Produce/Incoming/CurrentDefault

PS:  If you have blue and red in there, I would go get that 
checked out.  It generally isn't a good sign.


> JMak did an excellent job of this in his login screens. He kept the
> same brown or tan hue throughout and the background was a plain matte
> circular gradient like Dapper's login. 
> 

I agree 100%.  I think Jmak's top logon is probably the best
design I have seen in a long long while.  That said, the
GDM is unlikely to change if you do a little research into
the issue.  With a few minor tweaks to unify it with the
existing Ubuntu fixed palette items, I believed that it could
have been a wonderful GDM.

> Junel Mujar also made some excellent backgrounds using very muted
> tones here.

Gnome-look has many too. 

Thanks for your awareness and insight.  The best way to achieve
results is to keep the participation level high.

Sincerely,
TJS


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Edgy's current art looks like fecal matter :O

2006-09-12 Thread Álvaro Medina Ballester
Hi everyone!! I haven't seen the WallpaperProposal page yet, and now I'm very impressed. Junel Mujar wallpapers are simply awesome. Simply, clean and very beautiful. Also I love Michiel Sikma work. It remainds me a lot to MacOS X 
10.2 or 10.3 wallpaper style. The tones are quite different to the old ubuntu wallpapers but I think it could fit perfect on ubuntu desktop.Have a nice day!Álvaro.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Edgy's current art looks like fecal matter :O

2006-09-12 Thread Who
I fully intend to have input into this process, but it has all come at
the most unfortunate time - I am moving out of my current house back
home before next term at uni and I have been without my PC for neraly
two weeks, my only net access is at work where I am franticly trying
to train new people and finish off my project! When I get back home
(two days) I will see you both on IRC :)

I will try and give some constructive criticism on the new artwork
here quickly - obviously I hasve only viewed it, not _used_ it...:

I find it too dark, I think the direction we wandered in during the
development with more reds, caramels and oranges gave more
professional, attractive results. Brown is much less forgiving because
people will quickly make negative connections if the art is not
_perfectly_ conveying what we want it to.

I find the texture/mottled look offputting - I like things to be
'milky' and 'smooth' like the Lsplash and GDM mocks I put up that are
swirly 
(https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkPlan/Produce/Incoming/WhoGDM)

I think the logo could be glasserised better - I am interested in
seeing what the glassy logo I have been working on during Edgy
releease cycle will look like on that work.

Does that help at all?

I'll be doing more work soon,

Who

On 9/12/06, Michiel Sikma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Op 12-sep-2006, om 10:35 heeft Mark Shuttleworth het volgende
> geschreven:
>
> > Both good pointers. Troy Sobotka just called for more comments to
> > help get Edgy's artwork nailed, so your timing is good.
> >
> > Mark
>
> That's true. We need to have more people actively criticizing art.
> Don't worry about not contributing other than giving criticism, since
> that is needed as well. I don't think that what you've sent to the
> list was very useful, though, since you didn't provide any reasoning
> (except that it looks like feces, which I don't consider to be
> helpful at all; if you're afraid that this type of art will remain in
> the distro till the final release, try putting more time and thought
> into your alarm calls).
>
> Troy and I are occasionally coming together on IRC to discuss the
> artwork while making changes based on each other's input and I think
> it's working out very well. Maybe I could stress the importance of
> IRC again: it just works very well when several people have time to
> spend on Ubuntu.
>
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Edgy's current art looks like fecal matter :O

2006-09-12 Thread Michiel Sikma

Op 12-sep-2006, om 10:35 heeft Mark Shuttleworth het volgende  
geschreven:

> Both good pointers. Troy Sobotka just called for more comments to  
> help get Edgy's artwork nailed, so your timing is good.
>
> Mark

That's true. We need to have more people actively criticizing art.  
Don't worry about not contributing other than giving criticism, since  
that is needed as well. I don't think that what you've sent to the  
list was very useful, though, since you didn't provide any reasoning  
(except that it looks like feces, which I don't consider to be  
helpful at all; if you're afraid that this type of art will remain in  
the distro till the final release, try putting more time and thought  
into your alarm calls).

Troy and I are occasionally coming together on IRC to discuss the  
artwork while making changes based on each other's input and I think  
it's working out very well. Maybe I could stress the importance of  
IRC again: it just works very well when several people have time to  
spend on Ubuntu.

Michiel

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Edgy's current art looks like fecal matter :O

2006-09-12 Thread Mark Shuttleworth




Jasper Schalken wrote:
I know I'm being blunt, but it's true. It's dark brown,
it's lumpy, and it has red and green streaks running through it. Not a
pleasant combination :P.

This is NOT constructive criticism of someone else's work! Please
choose your words more carefully in future.

In my opinion, to prevent brown from looking like, well,
what brown's usual connotation is, the theme needs to be smooth and
clean. This includes the use of smooth textures, matte preferred and
Dapper's current light tans also help, but browns and glosses can work
just as well.
  
  
JMak did an excellent job of this in his login
screens. He kept the same brown or tan hue throughout and the
background was a plain matte circular gradient like Dapper's login.
  
  
Junel Mujar also made some excellent backgrounds using very muted tones
  here.


Both good pointers. Troy Sobotka just called for more comments to help
get Edgy's artwork nailed, so your timing is good.

Mark


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Edgy's current art looks like fecal matter :O

2006-09-12 Thread Daniel Holbach
Hello Jasper,

Am Dienstag, den 12.09.2006, 17:03 +1000 schrieb Jasper Schalken:
> I know I'm being blunt, but it's true. It's dark brown, it's lumpy,
> and it has red and green streaks running through it. Not a pleasant
> combination :P.
> 
> In my opinion, to prevent brown from looking like, well, what brown's
> usual connotation is, the theme needs to be smooth and clean. 

I'd really wish you'd read the Code of Conduct [1]. I told you in a bug
report already to be more respectful. People in here put a lot of work
into the current artwork and you're talking to them. Do you honestly
except them to answer your concerns, if you're "being blunt" or making
fun of them? 

Please try to pick your words carefully next time.

[1] http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct


Have a nice day,
 Daniel



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