Re: [ubuntu-art] Gettin' our @$$3$ in gear. or, a team restructuring.
I couldn't agree more. As I said in an e-mail yesterday (which I fear no-one read :-/) it would be so awkward to decide who gets in and who doesn't. In my opinion the reason why we're so disorganised is because we have too many contributors. Don't get me wrong, thats a great thing, but what i'm saying is - why bother with some big, fancy, hard-to-organise team restructuring, when all we need is a little organisation. Maybe still make new groups but make them sub-groups. We could have the icon team, and the background team (forgive me if we already do this, I wasn't sure). A bit more leadership might be a good idea too. I'm not sure if we have leaders but the icon team certainly looks like it needs a definate leader. A council would work great, but the teams I think are one of the least thought through ideas we've had for a while :-/. Ben From: John Baer bae...@gmail.com To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Monday, 20 April, 2009 2:52:30 Subject: [ubuntu-art] Gettin' our @$$3$ in gear. or, a team restructuring. On Sun, 2009-04-19 at 19:51 +0100, Cory K. wrote: Apart from the title this email aims to take a no-holds-barred look at who we are and how we are put together. I have been looking at ways to give this team more structure and noticed something we lack in concrete leadership or anyone with any authority to enact change. Nobody with definitive word. We generally throw around loose ideas, someone edits the wiki and it looks official. 'Till, the next guy comes along. God. The wiki must have gon through some major shuffle every release. So I propose: 1. Clearing out the current LP art team and starting from zero. Closing it and making it a moderated team. The Launchpad team means and does nothing. I really don't see the need for a open team. Karma? No. I want to give it meaning. Being on this team will mean your a trusted member and you have demonstrated some ability/aptitude worthy of meaningful contribution to the team. Which is how a good many of the Ubuntu teams work. Weather it be actual art, packaging, documentation or credited art/design knowledge (you know what you're talking about basically). Acceptance on to the team will be voted upon by the Art council. This would also be the bug contact for any packaged efforts in the repos. 2. The current mailing list will be a discussion list and the new list (already waiting in the wings) be for LP team members only. This would mostly be a name change. Everyone on the ubuntu-art list would stay as-is the list would just rename to ubuntu-art-discuss. The new list would be ubuntu-art-devel. /Maybe/ the need to have community put in there somewhere. Up for debate. And the latter list like I said would be for approved members of the LP team. 3. Formation of a 5-person (or so) art council to be made up of currently trusted members. Pretty much self-explanatory. I would propose: (and this is just off the top of my head. don't feel slighted if I don't list you) * Kenneth Wimer - Our Canonical contact and generally smart dude. * Thorsten Wilms - Great command of design theory and good documentation skills. * Jonathan Austin - Great artist. (if he's up to it) (just a quick list. I'm sure there's more) There are two very powerful team principals to remember. The first is exclusion. No one wants to feel they are left behind or what they have to offer has no value. The second is inclusion, everyone is welcome and everyone has something to offer. 1) The question becomes why would I want to be a member of the ubuntu-art-discuss list if all the real work is occurring on ubuntu-art-devel list? Does the 5 member art council want to get into the business of deciding whose in. Just to illustrate my point, I have no knowledge of Jonathan Austin. 2) Is the two list approach being used elsewhere? It is common to have folks who desire to contribute affirm they have read and agree with the approach and the manner in which the group interacts (code of conduct). I appreciate your desire to improve the status quo but maybe we are not as broke as it may seem. What I have observed over time is when folks feel their effort might be included as part of default the level of participation rises and the quality of the work is good (inclusion). To illustrate this point, how would the development of Breathe change if you were told it would be the default icon theme for 9.10? When folks feel no matter what they do, no matter how good, the changes to Ubuntu will come from elsewhere participation falls (exclusion). My guess is many folks feel that way now. I believe the solution is community-themes. * My desire is to encourage folks to join, get evolve, and post submissions. * My desire is we present opportunities to those who decide to
Re: [ubuntu-art] Gettin' our @$$3$ in gear. or, a team restructuring.
On Sunday 19 April 2009 18:52:47 Cory K. wrote: Apart from the title this email aims to take a no-holds-barred look at who we are and how we are put together. I have been looking at ways to give this team more structure and noticed something we lack in concrete leadership or anyone with any authority to enact change. Nobody with definitive word. We generally throw around loose ideas, someone edits the wiki and it looks official. 'Till, the next guy comes along. God. The wiki must have gon through some major shuffle every release. So I propose: 1. Clearing out the current LP art team and starting from zero. Closing it and making it a moderated team. The Launchpad team means and does nothing. I really don't see the need for a open team. Karma? No. I want to give it meaning. Being on this team will mean your a trusted member and you have demonstrated some ability/aptitude worthy of meaningful contribution to the team. Which is how a good many of the Ubuntu teams work. Weather it be actual art, packaging, documentation or credited art/design knowledge (you know what you're talking about basically). Acceptance on to the team will be voted upon by the Art council. This would also be the bug contact for any packaged efforts in the repos. This is exactly how Fedora manages the artwork community, you have to submit something first for approval. This might seem harsh but I am guessing that the bar is pretty low. Artwork tends to be something that everyone has an opinion on and many people who have nothing to do with the design itself like to offer their opinions. Mainly, these +1/-1 emails are a waste of time because it is a limited amount of responses and those responding are mostly already fans of ubuntu so no statistical info can be derived from it. However, I do think that people need a place to start, find info, discuss, etc. How do we fill this gap? 2. The current mailing list will be a discussion list and the new list (already waiting in the wings) be for LP team members only. This would mostly be a name change. Everyone on the ubuntu-art list would stay as-is the list would just rename to ubuntu-art-discuss. The new list would be ubuntu-art-devel. /Maybe/ the need to have community put in there somewhere. Up for debate. And the latter list like I said would be for approved members of the LP team. Right, there is a new moderated email list waiting to be used. Once we know exactly what and how we want to use it, we can. The original idea was to create a moderated list in which anyone who had submitted artwork of a certain quality, helped with the wiki to a certain degree, helped packaging and/or with other technical or bug fixing issues, etc. Essentially I saw it as a place for people to avoid the chatter and get more work done. This seems pretty close to what you are suggesting, or? 3. Formation of a 5-person (or so) art council to be made up of currently trusted members. Pretty much self-explanatory. I would propose: (and this is just off the top of my head. don't feel slighted if I don't list you) * Kenneth Wimer - Our Canonical contact and generally smart dude. * Thorsten Wilms - Great command of design theory and good documentation skills. * Jonathan Austin - Great artist. (if he's up to it) (just a quick list. I'm sure there's more) So this is what I feel is needed for us to really take control of the team and give it focus. Right now, we're just too loose a bunch to really be effective. Discuss. I do want to see things change, but I want to 1,000% certain that we are doing the right thing before we change *anything*. -- Kenneth -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
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Kenneth Wimer wrote: I do want to see things change, but I want to 1,000% certain that we are doing the right thing before we change *anything*. -- Kenneth The only way this is possible, is if we adopt a working policy from someone else and then slowly organically mold it around our specific needs. Can we contact the redhat/fedora people and see how well their system is working? Do you know anyone on their artwork team? Judging from the quality of artwork they throw out, they seem to have their @$$3$ in gear. I am if favor of Cory's plan, but I really have no idea what a council will do? Moderate the new list? If the new list is to have entry level requirements, why would it need moderators? The way I see it is: When I submit something I am working on, I always ask for feedback. Now I generally get feedback from certain members, and this feedback is always good (whether I agree or not.) I value these members' opinions as I trust them. I always take in other peoples feedback, but I do not necessarily trust them to know what they are talking about. This is why I am in favor of this list. When I want feedback on specifics half done ideas in a project: new list. As the project comes closer to finishing: old list. new project idea: old list. --Saleel -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
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Right, there is a new moderated email list waiting to be used. Once we know exactly what and how we want to use it, we can. I hope by moderated anyone can join, but is moderated? Because the whole philosophy of ubuntu is freedom, and the community running it to as much of an extent as they can. If not everyone can join then it in my opinion that is breaking the ubuntu promise... I'm not in favour of this at all (as you can tell from my emails) but if it goes ahead I want it to be fair. So I hope by: Right, there is a new moderated email list waiting to be used. Once we know exactly what and how we want to use it, we can. You mean that it will be run like the development list? Regards, Ben From: Kenneth Wimer kw...@ubuntu.com To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Monday, 20 April, 2009 13:25:06 Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Gettin' our @$$3$ in gear. or, a team restructuring. On Sunday 19 April 2009 18:52:47 Cory K. wrote: Apart from the title this email aims to take a no-holds-barred look at who we are and how we are put together. I have been looking at ways to give this team more structure and noticed something we lack in concrete leadership or anyone with any authority to enact change. Nobody with definitive word. We generally throw around loose ideas, someone edits the wiki and it looks official. 'Till, the next guy comes along. God. The wiki must have gon through some major shuffle every release. So I propose: 1. Clearing out the current LP art team and starting from zero. Closing it and making it a moderated team. The Launchpad team means and does nothing. I really don't see the need for a open team. Karma? No. I want to give it meaning. Being on this team will mean your a trusted member and you have demonstrated some ability/aptitude worthy of meaningful contribution to the team. Which is how a good many of the Ubuntu teams work. Weather it be actual art, packaging, documentation or credited art/design knowledge (you know what you're talking about basically). Acceptance on to the team will be voted upon by the Art council. This would also be the bug contact for any packaged efforts in the repos. This is exactly how Fedora manages the artwork community, you have to submit something first for approval. This might seem harsh but I am guessing that the bar is pretty low. Artwork tends to be something that everyone has an opinion on and many people who have nothing to do with the design itself like to offer their opinions. Mainly, these +1/-1 emails are a waste of time because it is a limited amount of responses and those responding are mostly already fans of ubuntu so no statistical info can be derived from it. However, I do think that people need a place to start, find info, discuss, etc. How do we fill this gap? 2. The current mailing list will be a discussion list and the new list (already waiting in the wings) be for LP team members only. This would mostly be a name change. Everyone on the ubuntu-art list would stay as-is the list would just rename to ubuntu-art-discuss. The new list would be ubuntu-art-devel. /Maybe/ the need to have community put in there somewhere. Up for debate. And the latter list like I said would be for approved members of the LP team. Right, there is a new moderated email list waiting to be used. Once we know exactly what and how we want to use it, we can. The original idea was to create a moderated list in which anyone who had submitted artwork of a certain quality, helped with the wiki to a certain degree, helped packaging and/or with other technical or bug fixing issues, etc. Essentially I saw it as a place for people to avoid the chatter and get more work done. This seems pretty close to what you are suggesting, or? 3. Formation of a 5-person (or so) art council to be made up of currently trusted members. Pretty much self-explanatory.. I would propose: (and this is just off the top of my head. don't feel slighted if I don't list you) * Kenneth Wimer - Our Canonical contact and generally smart dude. * Thorsten Wilms - Great command of design theory and good documentation skills. * Jonathan Austin - Great artist. (if he's up to it) (just a quick list. I'm sure there's more) So this is what I feel is needed for us to really take control of the team and give it focus. Right now, we're just too loose a bunch to really be effective. Discuss. I do want to see things change, but I want to 1,000% certain that we are doing the right thing before we change *anything*. -- Kenneth -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
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Anyone can join by contributing to ubuntu artwork. Non-members can post to the list but it will be moderated to avoid unnecessary distractions. The old list will still exist and be used much as it is today. As Saleel pointed it, the lists serve different purposes but are equally important. IMO anyone should be able to join, even if their posts to the list are moderated. I am not sure what part of this idea breaks any promise made by ubuntu. This is from ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/philosophy: The freedom to study how the programme works and adapt it to your needs. When this is applied to artwork, doesn't it mean how it was made,who made it etc? Ubuntu users have the right to know what is going on with the artwork team. With the devel mailing list anyone can join, but posts are moderated. This is what we need. You might have already said this, but I wasn't sure because it wasn't too clear. Regards, Ben From: Kenneth Wimer kw...@ubuntu.com To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Monday, 20 April, 2009 14:55:52 Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Gettin' our @$$3$ in gear. or, a team restructuring. On Monday 20 April 2009 15:29:46 Ben Crisford wrote: Right, there is a new moderated email list waiting to be used.. Once we know exactly what and how we want to use it, we can. I hope by moderated anyone can join, but is moderated? Anyone can join by contributing to ubuntu artwork. Non-members can post to the list but it will be moderated to avoid unnecessary distractions. The old list will still exist and be used much as it is today. As Saleel pointed it, the lists serve different purposes but are equally important. Because the whole philosophy of ubuntu is freedom, and the community running it to as much of an extent as they can. If not everyone can join then it in my opinion that is breaking the ubuntu promise... I am not sure what part of this idea breaks any promise made by ubuntu. -- Ken I'm not in favour of this at all (as you can tell from my emails) but if it goes ahead I want it to be fair. So I hope by: Right, there is a new moderated email list waiting to be used. Once we know exactly what and how we want to use it, we can. You mean that it will be run like the development list? No, more like the technical board list or such. -- Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
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On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 14:25 +0200, Kenneth Wimer wrote: However, I do think that people need a place to start, find info, discuss, etc. How do we fill this gap? Wiki and forum? I do want to see things change, but I want to 1,000% certain that we are doing the right thing before we change *anything*. Impossible. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
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On Sun, 2009-04-19 at 21:52 -0400, John Baer wrote: My suggestion is to improve our processes. I would divide our submissions into categories. Submit to one, or submit to all. Categories would be bound to a series (e.g. Incoming/Karmic). * Backgrounds (e.g. Incoming/Karmic/Backgrounds) * GTK Themes * Icons or Icon Themes * Sounds or Sound Themes * Usplash Themes * Other(?) Actually, backgrounds and GTK themes should be developed in context, at least regarding colors. I still created a Backgrounds page because there usually are many submissions, but only few themes. Plus even if you do work on backgrounds in combination with themes, it's still nice to have an overview. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
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Thorsten Wilms wrote: On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 14:25 +0200, Kenneth Wimer wrote: However, I do think that people need a place to start, find info, discuss, etc. How do we fill this gap? Wiki and forum? IMO, the unmoderated ubuntu-art-discuss list. -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
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On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 14:07 -0400, Cory K. wrote: Thorsten Wilms wrote: On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 14:25 +0200, Kenneth Wimer wrote: However, I do think that people need a place to start, find info, discuss, etc. How do we fill this gap? Wiki and forum? IMO, the unmoderated ubuntu-art-discuss list. As long as we keep an unmoderated ubuntu-art-discuss where we still pay attention, all I expect from another list is making things more complicated. Divided attention, what has been said where ... -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
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Thats alot of ideas :P. 1. Clearing out the current LP art team and starting from zero. Closing it and making it a moderated team. The Launchpad team means and does nothing. I really don't see the need for a open team. Karma? No. I want to give it meaning. Being on this team will mean your a trusted member and you have demonstrated some ability/aptitude worthy of meaningful contribution to the team. Which is how a good many of the Ubuntu teams work. Weather it be actual art, packaging, documentation or credited art/design knowledge (you know what you're talking about basically). Acceptance on to the team will be voted upon by the Art council. Hang on a second... Have you thought about how tricky this would be to moderate? The candidates you selected were great choices, but nonetheless this would be tricky. For the bug control team this works fine, B Murray just asks you for some examples of bug triaging. With art, i'm not exactly a great artist, but I still help out with the team, and I can code various types of theme. What will the guidelines be for entry? Because you can get absolutely superb wiki documentors who haven't even heard of a clone brush, are they not allowed in the group? I can help out with artwork stuff and do GDM themes etc, but i'm no artist... And I want to join :(. I'm not saying its impossible, but choosing who joins - and who doesn't could be complicated and tricky... Ben From: Cory K. coryis...@ubuntu.com To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Sunday, 19 April, 2009 17:52:47 Subject: [ubuntu-art] Gettin' our @$$3$ in gear. or, a team restructuring. Apart from the title this email aims to take a no-holds-barred look at who we are and how we are put together. I have been looking at ways to give this team more structure and noticed something we lack in concrete leadership or anyone with any authority to enact change. Nobody with definitive word. We generally throw around loose ideas, someone edits the wiki and it looks official. 'Till, the next guy comes along. God. The wiki must have gon through some major shuffle every release. So I propose: 1. Clearing out the current LP art team and starting from zero. Closing it and making it a moderated team. The Launchpad team means and does nothing. I really don't see the need for a open team. Karma? No. I want to give it meaning. Being on this team will mean your a trusted member and you have demonstrated some ability/aptitude worthy of meaningful contribution to the team. Which is how a good many of the Ubuntu teams work.. Weather it be actual art, packaging, documentation or credited art/design knowledge (you know what you're talking about basically). Acceptance on to the team will be voted upon by the Art council. This would also be the bug contact for any packaged efforts in the repos. 2. The current mailing list will be a discussion list and the new list (already waiting in the wings) be for LP team members only. This would mostly be a name change. Everyone on the ubuntu-art list would stay as-is the list would just rename to ubuntu-art-discuss. The new list would be ubuntu-art-devel. /Maybe/ the need to have community put in there somewhere. Up for debate. And the latter list like I said would be for approved members of the LP team. 3. Formation of a 5-person (or so) art council to be made up of currently trusted members. Pretty much self-explanatory. I would propose: (and this is just off the top of my head. don't feel slighted if I don't list you) * Kenneth Wimer - Our Canonical contact and generally smart dude. * Thorsten Wilms - Great command of design theory and good documentation skills. * Jonathan Austin - Great artist. (if he's up to it) (just a quick list. I'm sure there's more) So this is what I feel is needed for us to really take control of the team and give it focus. Right now, we're just too loose a bunch to really be effective. Discuss. -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu..com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
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On Sun, 2009-04-19 at 12:52 -0400, Cory K. wrote: 3. Formation of a 5-person (or so) art council to be made up of currently trusted members. Pretty much self-explanatory. I would propose: (and this is just off the top of my head. don't feel slighted if I don't list you) * Kenneth Wimer - Our Canonical contact and generally smart dude. * Thorsten Wilms - Great command of design theory and good documentation skills. * Jonathan Austin - Great artist. (if he's up to it) Oh, and in this order: * Cory K., because he kicks our @$$3$. * Sebastian Porta (though I bet he prefers to stay the most productive of all of us ;) * Anton Kerezov * Saleel * John Baer * (Rico Sta Cruz, if he ever comes back) Any additions, reactions? -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
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On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Thorsten Wilms t...@freenet.de wrote: * Cory K., because he kicks our @$$3$. * Sebastian Porta (though I bet he prefers to stay the most productive of all of us ;) * Anton Kerezov * Saleel * John Baer * (Rico Sta Cruz, if he ever comes back) Any additions, reactions? I'll be glad to be part of the team and will help as much as I can in my very limited free time (if that doesn't bother you though). -- A.K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
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I am totally enthusiastic about a plan like this, if this is what it takes to get Ubuntu looking more sophisticated. Because in my personal opinion, there are some very amateur things about Ubuntu (although I love the distro) mainly that being the graphical end. What I would love to see is a lot higher standard on the overall look, and feel. Just my 2 cents... Jent Kyle -- Freelancer Graphic Artist On Apr 19, 2009, at 10:52 AM, Cory K. wrote: Apart from the title this email aims to take a no-holds-barred look at who we are and how we are put together. I have been looking at ways to give this team more structure and noticed something we lack in concrete leadership or anyone with any authority to enact change. Nobody with definitive word. We generally throw around loose ideas, someone edits the wiki and it looks official. 'Till, the next guy comes along. God. The wiki must have gon through some major shuffle every release. So I propose: 1. Clearing out the current LP art team and starting from zero. Closing it and making it a moderated team. The Launchpad team means and does nothing. I really don't see the need for a open team. Karma? No. I want to give it meaning. Being on this team will mean your a trusted member and you have demonstrated some ability/aptitude worthy of meaningful contribution to the team. Which is how a good many of the Ubuntu teams work. Weather it be actual art, packaging, documentation or credited art/design knowledge (you know what you're talking about basically). Acceptance on to the team will be voted upon by the Art council. This would also be the bug contact for any packaged efforts in the repos. 2. The current mailing list will be a discussion list and the new list (already waiting in the wings) be for LP team members only. This would mostly be a name change. Everyone on the ubuntu-art list would stay as-is the list would just rename to ubuntu-art-discuss. The new list would be ubuntu-art-devel. /Maybe/ the need to have community put in there somewhere. Up for debate. And the latter list like I said would be for approved members of the LP team. 3. Formation of a 5-person (or so) art council to be made up of currently trusted members. Pretty much self-explanatory. I would propose: (and this is just off the top of my head. don't feel slighted if I don't list you) * Kenneth Wimer - Our Canonical contact and generally smart dude. * Thorsten Wilms - Great command of design theory and good documentation skills. * Jonathan Austin - Great artist. (if he's up to it) (just a quick list. I'm sure there's more) So this is what I feel is needed for us to really take control of the team and give it focus. Right now, we're just too loose a bunch to really be effective. Discuss. -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
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Kyle Family wrote: I am totally enthusiastic about a plan like this, if this is what it takes to get Ubuntu looking more sophisticated. Because in my personal opinion, there are some very amateur things about Ubuntu (although I love the distro) mainly that being the graphical end. What I would love to see is a lot higher standard on the overall look, and feel. Well the work would only be seen in the community packages but who knows what the future holds. But the point of all this would be to get more focused and organized. There's many questions that pop up that nobody can definitively answer because really, nobody's in charge. A council IMO will solve this. And yes. This approach will raise the barrier for entry and be exclusionary. I don't feel that's a bad thing. We *need* to be more than a collection of nutcases (myself included) and try to provide a place where only the best art comes through. -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
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On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Cory K. coryis...@ubuntu.com wrote: 1. Clearing out the current LP art team and starting from zero. Closing it and making it a moderated team. If nothing else, this really should be done. The LP team is basically useless in its current state. According to the members page we now have: 152 active members 784 inactive members I'm not entirely sure what LP uses to designate active members, I imagine that it is simply whether or not some one has logged into LP recently. Either way, it's definitely not representative of the actual people doing work. Making the team moderated would make it much more useful. As it is now, it's just another badge on your profile page. 2. The current mailing list will be a discussion list and the new list (already waiting in the wings) be for LP team members only. Agreed. I imagine art-discuss being much like the current list. People sharing things the are working on ect... The moderated list could focus more on decision making processes ect... It should also be set up (like ubuntu-devel) so that non-members may still subscribe. I think there might be some misconceptions that this would be a secret list of some sort. 3. Formation of a 5-person (or so) art council to be made up of currently trusted members. Agreed. What this team needs more than anything else are some defined goals and projects. Right now, it's mostly just people throwing things against a wall to see what sticks. The steps you propose would go a long way to help. - Andrew -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Gettin' our @$$3$ in gear. or, a team restructuring.
Its probably a good idea to have council created, if just to give direction and create guidelines. The largest problem this team seems to have is a lack of collective focus, everyone is attempting to develop something different rather than looking at designs submitted and working together to develop the aspects of each that are good into a cohesive theme. Currently insane amounts of times are wasted on developing ideas that end up not being included. I would avoid trying to give the task of managing the artwork development to the council because it will likely be time consuming and many of people I've seen suggested have limited time available. In terms of making the team no longer open, again a good idea but have a clear way to get accepted documented in the wiki, and note what sort of contributions your after. Id also suggest to create focus groups for theme development (both code and art), backgrounds, and for the wiki maintenance and make acceptance based on contributions to one or another group (likely via a recommendation by a focus group lead). Id also suggest you make a spot for people that contribute purely through well thought out critique. Someone who can do that can be incredibly valuable even if they cant create anything more that stick figures. -Matthew Lye You can do anything you set your mind to when you have vision, determination, and and endless supply of expendable labor. No tree's were harmed during this transmission. However, a great number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 7:29 AM, Andrew a.star...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Cory K. coryis...@ubuntu.com wrote: 1. Clearing out the current LP art team and starting from zero. Closing it and making it a moderated team. If nothing else, this really should be done. The LP team is basically useless in its current state. According to the members page we now have: 152 active members 784 inactive members I'm not entirely sure what LP uses to designate active members, I imagine that it is simply whether or not some one has logged into LP recently. Either way, it's definitely not representative of the actual people doing work. Making the team moderated would make it much more useful. As it is now, it's just another badge on your profile page. 2. The current mailing list will be a discussion list and the new list (already waiting in the wings) be for LP team members only. Agreed. I imagine art-discuss being much like the current list. People sharing things the are working on ect... The moderated list could focus more on decision making processes ect... It should also be set up (like ubuntu-devel) so that non-members may still subscribe. I think there might be some misconceptions that this would be a secret list of some sort. 3. Formation of a 5-person (or so) art council to be made up of currently trusted members. Agreed. What this team needs more than anything else are some defined goals and projects. Right now, it's mostly just people throwing things against a wall to see what sticks. The steps you propose would go a long way to help. - Andrew -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
