Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave graphical guidelines
В 16:03 +0200 на 23.05.2008 (пт), Valentin Steinwandter написа: What about this? At the moment: http://img55.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11ye5.png Nicer? http://img55.imageshack.us/my.php?image=22lz7.png Is this a mockup or something you can do so that I can see it on my pc? Am Freitag, den 23.05.2008, 15:41 +0200 schrieb Giuseppe Pennisi: François Degrave ha scritto: Anton Kerezov a écrit : В 15:38 +0200 на 22.05.2008 (чт), François Degrave написа: Because we need to work all together in a single direction, without losing efforts for useless things, I took some time today and yesterday to write the graphical guidelines for New Wave. Could you please read them carefully? Here they are: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/NewWave?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=graphical_guidelines.pdf Although I generally like the text I do not agree with some points: 1. Taskbar/Windows consistency - That is not true. The taskbar is really different from the title bar and the menus of an application because there you have program shortcuts and status icons that change over time. I meant color, not shape and shadows! So if your hint was for the shadows I agree. In this regard, about consistency of the theme, I have made some proposal of consistency between metacity-frame-menubar and application active in taskbar. http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nw1uu0.png http://img60.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nw2gc9.png If that is the consistency problem then upload a fix in LP ;) Further, I think that the active item of the menu must be a bit more clear. http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nw3ef0.png The thing with gradients and fading lines is an experiment to see if it is comfortable for the user. I personally like it but the gradients can really be removed. But let others say is it comfortable or not? As far as the orangish color in the menus it is not good because distracts your attention from the icon and the text. Personal opinion ... Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave graphical guidelines
In my opinion, definitely nicer without the shadow on the menubar. Looks more consinstent with the menu opened... Is just a photo editing or you edited the gtk theme? In my opinion the actual menuitem-selected-colour is too pink. I thik we have to search for a more orange colour, and defenitely more red. Mario V. Il giorno ven, 23/05/2008 alle 16.03 +0200, Valentin Steinwandter ha scritto: What about this? At the moment: http://img55.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11ye5.png Nicer? http://img55.imageshack.us/my.php?image=22lz7.png Valentin Am Freitag, den 23.05.2008, 15:41 +0200 schrieb Giuseppe Pennisi: François Degrave ha scritto: Anton Kerezov a écrit : В 15:38 +0200 на 22.05.2008 (чт), François Degrave написа: Because we need to work all together in a single direction, without losing efforts for useless things, I took some time today and yesterday to write the graphical guidelines for New Wave. Could you please read them carefully? Here they are: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/NewWave?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=graphical_guidelines.pdf I agree that we need such king of guidelines but they need to me more definite. Although I generally like the text I do not agree with some points: 1. Taskbar/Windows consistency - That is not true. The taskbar is really different from the title bar and the menus of an application because there you have program shortcuts and status icons that change over time. Ok, but currently the windows and the taskbar do not seem to be part of a whole. They look too different to have a nice visual effect. And it is true that the taskbar has more functionalities than a menubar, but the menu part of the taskbar should certainly have the same look as a menubar. I agree with Fracnois. IMHO, in this way (like write Francois) the theme looks more uniform and a good impact for user. Use many shades of color on the same theme make this pleasant little for user and little consistency in its entirety. In this regard, about consistency of the theme, I have made some proposal of consistency between metacity-frame-menubar and application active in taskbar. http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nw1uu0.png http://img60.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nw2gc9.png Further, I think that the active item of the menu must be a bit more clear. http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nw3ef0.png Giuseppe P. ps: I think if we use a color more white for menu-active-item and menu-bg we might get more consistency between they. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave graphical guidelines
В 11:14 +0200 на 24.05.2008 (сб), Mario Viviani написа: In my opinion, definitely nicer without the shadow on the menubar. Looks more consinstent with the menu opened... Is just a photo editing or you edited the gtk theme? In my opinion the actual menuitem-selected-colour is too pink. I thik we have to search for a more orange colour, and defenitely more red. Have you used the theme or you conclude that only from the screenshots? Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave graphical guidelines
Am Samstag, den 24.05.2008, 12:21 +0300 schrieb Anton Kerezov: В 16:03 +0200 на 23.05.2008 (пт), Valentin Steinwandter написа: What about this? At the moment: http://img55.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11ye5.png Nicer? http://img55.imageshack.us/my.php?image=22lz7.png Is this a mockup or something you can do so that I can see it on my pc? It's only a mockup. I don't know if it's possible to make that real, because the shadows are made by compiz. Valentin -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave graphical guidelines
Valentin Steinwandter ha scritto: Nicer? http://img55.imageshack.us/my.php?image=22lz7.png Is this a mockup or something you can do so that I can see it on my pc? It's nice. Very Nice. But the engine not allow it. If I am wrong, please correct me. I would be really happy if it can be possible. Anton ha scritto: In this regard, about consistency of the theme, I have made some proposal of consistency between metacity-frame-menubar and application active in taskbar. http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nw1uu0.png http://img60.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nw2gc9.png If that is the consistency problem then upload a fix in LP ;) OK, I can upload. ;-) Anton ha scritto: Further, I think that the active item of the menu must be a bit more clear. http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nw3ef0.png The thing with gradients and fading lines is an experiment to see if it is comfortable for the user. I personally like it but the gradients can really be removed. The gradient and falding lines I can pleasure but I think that the color might be a bit more clear. I can upload in LP for see it live in your pc. But let others say is it comfortable or not? I don't know. I propose to talk definitively about it and decide. Giuseppe P. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave graphical guidelines
2008/5/22 Étienne Bersac [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Salut François, The document is very good, but looks more like an exposé than a set of guidelines. For example, the choice of colour is hardcoded in guidelines. You should provide a complete palette, but let us choose the color during the design process. For example, i find the orange of highlighted item too bright so that it's not easy to read the text. Keep up the good work, we definitely needs direction :) I just want to salute you for writing this document, it is really important to have such a reference point. One thing I miss as a developer is a clear list of items that need actual code change (not just theming (this has been brought up before). Maybe even a list with links to the relevant bug reports on bugzilla.gnome.org. Cheers, Mikkel -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave graphical guidelines
2008/5/22 Étienne Bersac [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Salut François, The document is very good, but looks more like an exposé than a set of guidelines. For example, the choice of colour is hardcoded in guidelines. You should provide a complete palette, but let us choose the color during the design process. For example, i find the orange of highlighted item too bright so that it's not easy to read the text. Keep up the good work, we definitely needs direction :) Regards, Étienne. You are right. I'll add a general remark about the fact that this choice of colors is not mandatory but just a proposition. Cheers, François -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave graphical guidelines
В 15:38 +0200 на 22.05.2008 (чт), François Degrave написа: Because we need to work all together in a single direction, without losing efforts for useless things, I took some time today and yesterday to write the graphical guidelines for New Wave. Could you please read them carefully? Here they are: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/NewWave?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=graphical_guidelines.pdf I agree that we need such king of guidelines but they need to me more definite. Although I generally like the text I do not agree with some points: 1. Taskbar/Windows consistency - That is not true. The taskbar is really different from the title bar and the menus of an application because there you have program shortcuts and status icons that change over time. 5. Selected Menu Items - The colors you picked are a bit brighter thank they should be IMO. I know that you want to make the theme look more orange but this is not the way to do it. We should rather do the widgets more orangish. One more thing about 7. Buttons. Could you make the mockups of selected and hovered buttons so that I can make a pixmap privew. Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave graphical guidelines
Anton Kerezov a écrit : В 15:38 +0200 на 22.05.2008 (чт), François Degrave написа: Because we need to work all together in a single direction, without losing efforts for useless things, I took some time today and yesterday to write the graphical guidelines for New Wave. Could you please read them carefully? Here they are: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/NewWave?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=graphical_guidelines.pdf I agree that we need such king of guidelines but they need to me more definite. Although I generally like the text I do not agree with some points: 1. Taskbar/Windows consistency - That is not true. The taskbar is really different from the title bar and the menus of an application because there you have program shortcuts and status icons that change over time. Ok, but currently the windows and the taskbar do not seem to be part of a whole. They look too different to have a nice visual effect. And it is true that the taskbar has more functionalities than a menubar, but the menu part of the taskbar should certainly have the same look as a menubar. 5. Selected Menu Items - The colors you picked are a bit brighter thank they should be IMO. I know that you want to make the theme look more orange but this is not the way to do it. We should rather do the widgets more orangish. You are right. We can try different things, it was just a proposition. One more thing about 7. Buttons. Could you make the mockups of selected and hovered buttons so that I can make a pixmap privew. I'll do that asap. Cheers, François -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave graphical guidelines
François Degrave ha scritto: Anton Kerezov a écrit : В 15:38 +0200 на 22.05.2008 (чт), François Degrave написа: Because we need to work all together in a single direction, without losing efforts for useless things, I took some time today and yesterday to write the graphical guidelines for New Wave. Could you please read them carefully? Here they are: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/NewWave?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=graphical_guidelines.pdf I agree that we need such king of guidelines but they need to me more definite. Although I generally like the text I do not agree with some points: 1. Taskbar/Windows consistency - That is not true. The taskbar is really different from the title bar and the menus of an application because there you have program shortcuts and status icons that change over time. Ok, but currently the windows and the taskbar do not seem to be part of a whole. They look too different to have a nice visual effect. And it is true that the taskbar has more functionalities than a menubar, but the menu part of the taskbar should certainly have the same look as a menubar. I agree with Fracnois. IMHO, in this way (like write Francois) the theme looks more uniform and a good impact for user. Use many shades of color on the same theme make this pleasant little for user and little consistency in its entirety. In this regard, about consistency of the theme, I have made some proposal of consistency between metacity-frame-menubar and application active in taskbar. http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nw1uu0.png http://img60.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nw2gc9.png Further, I think that the active item of the menu must be a bit more clear. http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nw3ef0.png Giuseppe P. ps: I think if we use a color more white for menu-active-item and menu-bg we might get more consistency between they. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave graphical guidelines
What about this? At the moment: http://img55.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11ye5.png Nicer? http://img55.imageshack.us/my.php?image=22lz7.png Valentin Am Freitag, den 23.05.2008, 15:41 +0200 schrieb Giuseppe Pennisi: François Degrave ha scritto: Anton Kerezov a écrit : В 15:38 +0200 на 22.05.2008 (чт), François Degrave написа: Because we need to work all together in a single direction, without losing efforts for useless things, I took some time today and yesterday to write the graphical guidelines for New Wave. Could you please read them carefully? Here they are: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/NewWave?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=graphical_guidelines.pdf I agree that we need such king of guidelines but they need to me more definite. Although I generally like the text I do not agree with some points: 1. Taskbar/Windows consistency - That is not true. The taskbar is really different from the title bar and the menus of an application because there you have program shortcuts and status icons that change over time. Ok, but currently the windows and the taskbar do not seem to be part of a whole. They look too different to have a nice visual effect. And it is true that the taskbar has more functionalities than a menubar, but the menu part of the taskbar should certainly have the same look as a menubar. I agree with Fracnois. IMHO, in this way (like write Francois) the theme looks more uniform and a good impact for user. Use many shades of color on the same theme make this pleasant little for user and little consistency in its entirety. In this regard, about consistency of the theme, I have made some proposal of consistency between metacity-frame-menubar and application active in taskbar. http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nw1uu0.png http://img60.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nw2gc9.png Further, I think that the active item of the menu must be a bit more clear. http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nw3ef0.png Giuseppe P. ps: I think if we use a color more white for menu-active-item and menu-bg we might get more consistency between they. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave graphical guidelines
Hi, In this regard, about consistency of the theme, I have made some proposal of consistency between metacity-frame-menubar and application active in taskbar. http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nw1uu0.png http://img60.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nw2gc9.png Very good ! Further, I think that the active item of the menu must be a bit more clear. http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nw3ef0.png I agree, but please use orange rather than pink. Regards, Étienne. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave graphical guidelines
Étienne Bersac ha scritto: Further, I think that the active item of the menu must be a bit more clear. http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nw3ef0.png I agree, but please use orange rather than pink. Yes, I agree with you. Giuseppe P. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave graphical guidelines
François Degrave ha scritto: Hi! Because we need to work all together in a single direction, without losing efforts for useless things, I took some time today and yesterday to write the graphical guidelines for New Wave. Could you please read them carefully? Here they are: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/NewWave?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=graphical_guidelines.pdf Francois, It's a Good Work!!! Great!!! In this moment I can't read all carefully but this is a good way to work in a single direction. We must focus attention to work to satisfy the guideline in the applications that have not problem with GTK. Instead in application like FF3 or OO (and more) we might report the bug because the problem is not the theme but is in the code. Make hack (or workaround) is not a good solution because non solve the problem. And because this is not right way If we want hope that it will be used by default. (In accord whit UDS report) Giuseppe P. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave graphical guidelines
Salut François, The document is very good, but looks more like an exposé than a set of guidelines. For example, the choice of colour is hardcoded in guidelines. You should provide a complete palette, but let us choose the color during the design process. For example, i find the orange of highlighted item too bright so that it's not easy to read the text. Keep up the good work, we definitely needs direction :) Regards, Étienne. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
