Re: broadband with linux mirror

2008-07-01 Thread Paul Gear
Owen Townend wrote:
 ...
   I was previously with OptusNet Cable when living with my parents:
 the noticable (so far) mirror that Optus has that iiNet doesn't is
 Sourceforge.

I don't know how it goes when you're an Optusnet customer, but from
iiNet, Optustnet's SF.net mirror doesn't even work half the time, and i
get better and quicker access setting my preferred mirror to be one on
the U.S. West Coast.

Paul


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Re: broadband with linux mirror

2008-07-01 Thread Owen Townend
On 01/07/2008, Paul Gear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Owen Townend wrote:
   ...

I was previously with OptusNet Cable when living with my parents:
   the noticable (so far) mirror that Optus has that iiNet doesn't is
   Sourceforge.


 I don't know how it goes when you're an Optusnet customer, but from
  iiNet, Optustnet's SF.net mirror doesn't even work half the time, and i
  get better and quicker access setting my preferred mirror to be one on
  the U.S. West Coast.


  Paul


Hey,
  When using optus cable sourceforge always picked the optus mirror
for me (provided the file was available on it) and I never had any
issues with it. Since using iiNet adsl sourceforge has _never_ chosen
the Optus mirror for me and I have had no reason to manually override
its choice.

cheers,
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Ubuntu upgrades

2008-07-01 Thread Slawek Drabot
all this talk of downloads has reminded me of something:

how do you deal with downloading upgrades for multiple installs?

I have Ubuntu on 2 machines, and it seems a waste to download the same upgrades 
twice. What strategies do people use to avoid this situation?


  

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Re: Ubuntu upgrades

2008-07-01 Thread Harrison Conlin
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 8:27 PM, Slawek Drabot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 all this talk of downloads has reminded me of something:

 how do you deal with downloading upgrades for multiple installs?

 I have Ubuntu on 2 machines, and it seems a waste to download the same 
 upgrades twice. What strategies do people use to avoid this situation?

In short - http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/net/apt-cacher-ng

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Re: Ubuntu upgrades

2008-07-01 Thread Paul Gear
ishwor wrote:
 ...
 One way of doing this is manually. 
 # apt-get clean;
 # aptitude upgrade;
 
 The download packages are locally stored in /var/cache/apt; stay there.
 
 Mount the other box as nfs share (or through fuse/sshfs if you prefer. nfs 
 requires setup at the other end. sshfs just requires fuse+sshd at the other 
 end)-
 # mount -t nfs other.box.ip.addy:/some/exported.share /mnt/local.dir/
 # cp /var/cache/apt/*.deb /mnt/local.dir/

A simpler method than NFS would be rsync:
aptitude install rsync # on both systems
cd /var/cache/apt
rsync -av . otherbox:/var/cache/apt # replace /var/cache/apt
# with $PWD if you prefer

 Now go to other box-
 # cd /some/exported.share/
 # dpkg -i *.deb;

Now this will get you in big trouble.  What if you have different
packages on the different boxes?  You'll get dependency problems.  The
simple thing to do after you've rsynced the apt cache is just upgrade
normally - it will use the cached files instead of downloading them again.

Paul


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Re: Ubuntu upgrades

2008-07-01 Thread ishwor
On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 05:54:43 am Paul Gear wrote:
 ishwor wrote:
  ...

[ ... ]

 A simpler method than NFS would be rsync:
   aptitude install rsync # on both systems
   cd /var/cache/apt
   rsync -av . otherbox:/var/cache/apt # replace /var/cache/apt
   # with $PWD if you prefer

@OP - Or as Paul mentions - rsync ^_^

  Now go to other box-
  # cd /some/exported.share/
  # dpkg -i *.deb;

 Now this will get you in big trouble.  What if you have different
 packages on the different boxes?  You'll get dependency problems.  The

FYI Paul, the OP mentions that he/she is upgrading both boxes simultaneously 
but do not want to expend the effort/cost of downloading at both the places. 
And hence, both the boxen have the needed for exactly the same packages. That 
is what I thought earlier and wrote straight off in one go err, without 
thinking too much. ^_^

Or, perhaps I haven't been clear about -
Bear in mind, the dependencies have to be exact in both the machines. :)

Basically it means -
a) Needed packages for box A - foo1.deb, foo2.deb, foo3.deb
b) Needed packages for box B - foo1.deb, foo3.deb, foo4.deb

Package upgraded via our method (both nfs+rsync) here is foo1.deb. Our manual 
drudgery sucks anyway compared to the harrisony's. moo! :D

 simple thing to do after you've rsynced the apt cache is just upgrade
 normally - it will use the cached files instead of downloading them again.

Or, just uprade; yes as Paul writes. So essentially
instead of 
# dpkg -i;
the op can do
# aptitude upgrade
in the second box.

So, how's everyone's morning going? If I've been rude a bit then I am sorry.
My name is Ishwor. Nice meeting you all Ubunturos! ;) 

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Re: Ubuntu upgrades

2008-07-01 Thread ishwor
On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 07:38:53 am ishwor wrote:
 On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 05:54:43 am Paul Gear wrote:
  ishwor wrote:

[ ... ]

 Or, just uprade; yes as Paul writes. So essentially
 instead of
 # dpkg -i ;
   ^ *.deb 
 the op can do
 # aptitude upgrade
 in the second box.

 So, how's everyone's morning going? If I've been rude a bit then I am
  
woah! Felt like I just barged in randomly!:D
 sorry. My name is Ishwor. Nice meeting you all Ubunturos! ;)

 cheers

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Re: broadband with linux mirror

2008-07-01 Thread Martin Visser
I think you might find that Optusnet no longer hosts a Sourceforge mirror -
the only Aussie one is Internode

On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Owen Townend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 01/07/2008, Paul Gear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Owen Townend wrote:
...
 
 I was previously with OptusNet Cable when living with my parents:
the noticable (so far) mirror that Optus has that iiNet doesn't is
Sourceforge.
 
 
  I don't know how it goes when you're an Optusnet customer, but from
   iiNet, Optustnet's SF.net mirror doesn't even work half the time, and i
   get better and quicker access setting my preferred mirror to be one on
   the U.S. West Coast.
 
 
   Paul
 

 Hey,
  When using optus cable sourceforge always picked the optus mirror
 for me (provided the file was available on it) and I never had any
 issues with it. Since using iiNet adsl sourceforge has _never_ chosen
 the Optus mirror for me and I have had no reason to manually override
 its choice.

 cheers,
 Owen.

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Re: broadband with linux mirror

2008-07-01 Thread Owen Townend
On 02/07/2008, Martin Visser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I think you might find that Optusnet no longer hosts a Sourceforge mirror -
 the only Aussie one is Internode



Hey,
  That might explain it...

cheers,
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Re: Ubuntu upgrades

2008-07-01 Thread Daniel Mons
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Slawek Drabot wrote:
| all this talk of downloads has reminded me of something:
|
| how do you deal with downloading upgrades for multiple installs?
|
| I have Ubuntu on 2 machines, and it seems a waste to download the same
upgrades twice. What strategies do people use to avoid this situation?
|

A combination of squid-proxy in transparent mode (using heap LFUDA with
a large maximum file size, and large data store) as well as apt-proxy
pointing to a local mirror.

Combine the two, and bandwidth issues for Linux upgrades are moot.  I
run several locations with between 20 and 100 Ubuntu workstations in
them, all with this setup.  None of them face any major dramas come
upgrade time.

Similarly, I use etherboot/netboot to do workstation installs, which
then pulls the data direct from the apt-cache, meaning that installed
workstations have the latest stuff direct on disk, rather than installed
from CD, and then doing updates afterwards.

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workspace behaviour

2008-07-01 Thread James Takac
Hi Guys

Been noticing something interesting on one of my ubuntu pc's. It's the only 
one on 24/7. Basically if left alone for some time it switches workspaces by 
itself. It did it this morning as I watched. No intervention from me. Is this 
meant to be a feature or some oddity on my end?

James

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Re: workspace behaviour

2008-07-01 Thread Matthew Vermeulen
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 12:37 PM, James Takac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Guys

 Been noticing something interesting on one of my ubuntu pc's. It's the only
 one on 24/7. Basically if left alone for some time it switches workspaces
 by
 itself. It did it this morning as I watched. No intervention from me. Is
 this
 meant to be a feature or some oddity on my end?


Not sure if this would be even remotely related, but I've seen some strange
things happen since I have an IR receiver on my PC, and occasionally other
IR equipment (most notably IR controlled micro helipcopters) will be
translated as a remote signal which will make things happen (in my case,
volume changes, bringing up logout dialog).

Cheers,

Matt



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