Re: Australian Digital Education Revolutionbeing a BIG blow for Linux.
Hi Harry, Would you care to share some more details on the 'Next G' device you are trying to get working? I have a few Telstra Next G Wireless Broadband devices I use at work. They are all ZTE MF636 devices. We also use a few tethered mobile all through Network Manager too. The devices I use are the white usb dongles without the blue swivel on the usb connector. They have the Telstra Logo on the top and NEXTG on the bottom with a blue outline around the device. Also do you have any of the instructions written down on how you got the device working through the terminal? Any extra details you can give us would go a long way. - Karl On 9 June 2010 16:55, ha...@ipunix.com ha...@ipunix.com wrote: Jared, Thanks for making some input; today we actually have got a Next G Device working with the help of a clever Virgin Mobile employee. The point that I tried to make is that we have NetWork Manager, wvdial and the GUI for gnome-ppp. None of them work for getting a Next G Device just simply to work as it does for say a WiFi connection. We always have to search for information and use the Terminal to make it work. What I am looking for is to have NetWork Manager just simply do the job so that non computer wizards can move away from Microsoft and embrace the freedom that can be found with Linux. Another device that is still a problem is the scanner function in Multi-Function Printers. I would say that when both items are working without any hassles we will see a strong move towards Linux by users of laptops. Any clever Linux person passing through Strathpine please call in for a cuppa of Java. In case of anyone that tried to phone me, my appologies there was a typo in my number. Cheers, Harry Degenaar 0401231068 ha...@ipunix.com www.ipunix.com From: Jared Norris jrnor...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 3:55 PM To: ha...@ipunix.com Subject: Re: Australian Digital Education Revolutionbeing a BIG blow for Linux. On 8 June 2010 15:29, ha...@ipunix.com wrote: I am coming back to this topic; I would like to know if any of you have experience in getting a Next G wireless broadband modem(s) to work on Ubuntu. I have tried the network manager in Ubuntu, wvdial and the gui gnome-ppp, etc..but nothing works. As the above is still a well recognized problem and since I want to promote Linux acceptance for laptop users (schools and in general) can someone living near the Strathpine, Pine Rivers area help out in this? Thanks, Harry Degenaar 0401241068 ha...@ipunix.com www.ipunix.com -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au Harry, I'm not sure exactly which NextG device you are referring to but as a team we have set up a wiki that may be of assistance to you. If you have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/WirelessBroadbandInformation you will see a list of wireless broadband devices that are available in Australia on different networks and if there were any special requirements to get them working within Ubuntu. While it may not exactly solve your issue it might at least start to point you in the right direction. If it doesn't solve your issue but helps please feel free to update the wiki page with the information you found useful so that others may benefit as well. Regards, Jared Norris -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ubuntu AU LoCo Restructure Poll
We spent most of the meeting before last on the restructuring so why would we repeat it. I will be voting :-) On Jun 9, 11:24 am, Jared Norris jrnor...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 June 2010 09:36, andrew gande...@gmail.com wrote: Bravo Ryan for bringing this forward, I will not be voting for any of the structures for the following reasons. 1. At last nights meeting there was no discussion of the actual positions on the team. 2. There has been no discussion on the direction goals of the team (of which IMO are very important when deciding on how a team is to be structured governed) If the above are addressed then it comes down to whether we want a 'Democratic' process where candidates are voted for or a 'Meritocracy' process where people are appointed. Models 1 1a are clearly 'Meritocracy' and as it stands now, people are appointed indefinitely until they resign their positions. This is the current model. Model 3 is ONE 'Democratic' representative model based on regional/city groups. As there is no 'goal' of developing regional/city groups then this model is irrelevant. There are not many reasons why we cannot have a 'Team' elected to positions based on merit every 12 months. When people nominate for positions they can put up their credentials, why they want the position and what they can do for the Ubuntu-au Loco. As stated above, when we have a discussion on our goals, we can talk about positions, then we can talk about an election/appointment process. This is just my opinion and I know that others will disagree. Regards, Andrew G. On Tue, 2010-06-08 at 22:21 +0930, Ryan Macnish wrote: Hey everyone, So, iv made a poll and iv made it so you can only select ONE option, although you can change your selection that is irrelevant since its not possible to vote multiple times using the same name. If you fake it and want to try my patience, then so be it. http://www.doodle.com/zift4eahcy3mrvv9 Ryan Macnish __ Find it on Domain.com.au Need a new place to live? -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au Andrew and Ubuntu-AU, As far as positions go I thought the meeting basically detailed that to get it going forward we need to first decide what structure people wanted to follow. No one present voiced any objection to this from what I recall. After the structure was determined by the vote we could then look at positions based upon what option people chose. As far as discussing positions within the different structure options I think there is enough detail on the wiki for people to decide what structure is preferred. As far as directions and goals for the team go I thought we already had them, quoted from the wiki The Australian team focuses on distributing, advertising and demonstrating Ubuntu within Australia. Through the development of our projects we focus on the areas of schools, business and home users. Therefore this vote is the starting point we need to ensure the group is best structured according to what the majority of people think is best suited so that we can move forward with a defined structure. I am sorry that you have chosen not to participate, I respect your decisions but I don't see how that would be constructive. You say this is your opinion not to vote and others will disagree and the whole point of the vote is to get a consensus on everyone's opinions, including yours. Regards, Jared Norris. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.comhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: ubuntu-au Digest, Vol 52, Issue 10
On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 08:27 +0100, ha...@ipunix.com ha...@ipunix.com wrote: Another device that is still a problem is the scanner function in Multi-Function Printers. I would say that when both items are working without any hassles we will see a strong move towards Linux by users of laptops. So is this saying that at this stage Sane will never recognise the scanner in my Canon MX350 MFC, even without any trickery?? Canon provide a Linux version of ScanGear so I can scan, but not from within documents. Have to scan to a file then import the file. Would be nice to scan into the document, like I used to with stand-alone scanner. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Metrocracy vs democracy
Colin, Yes an 'Elected' board/council could appoint people to roles based on 'Merit'. Andrew G. On Thu, 2010-06-10 at 09:28 +1000, colin mcdermott wrote: There are not many reasons why we cannot have a 'Team' elected to positions based on merit every 12 months. When people nominate for positions they can put up their credentials, why they want the position and what they can do for the Ubuntu-au Loco. Isn't this pretty much standard! I mean Ubuntu is not a four person project, it is not a small flash in a pan thing that someone has whipped out of their backyard. Personally, I think that we need a Ubuntu Confrence in Australia. This confrence should be conducted on a yearly/bi-yearly basis (perhaps inpart online/through a web hookup), we talk all things Ubuntu and we elect our leaders there accepting online votes from anyone not there. There could be simultanious confrences, but the point is this: Ubuntu is not a four person Distribution. Ubuntu is open source, it is free to all and it's governance is (nay should be) transperant. Microsoft is a commercial product, it's governance is closed. While I can have input into the product, I have no vote nor control on how it is designed. Once a board is elected that board can appoint people to perform tasks, take roles, assign goals, do as it feels. I know that you will see members drop off from the board, but the board can replace them as they see fit. The board would be free from the election for most if not all of the year, but it will be heald to public account! Why do people fear a fair election? Sincerely Colin McDermott -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Local Ubuntu conference [Was: Metrocracy vs democracy]
quote who=colin mcdermott Personally, I think that we need a Ubuntu Confrence in Australia. This confrence should be conducted on a yearly/bi-yearly basis (perhaps inpart online/through a web hookup), we talk all things Ubuntu and we elect our leaders there accepting online votes from anyone not there. There could be simultanious confrences, but the point is this: Why not arrange an Ubuntu event before linux.conf.au (being one of the best Free Software conferences in the world and our biggest and brightest FLOSS event)... although in recent years separate single-distro miniconfs have not been selected, there is always the option of holding a special event before the conference proper (much like FOMS). Just a thought. Go where the people are and all. - Jeff -- Ubuntu's Bleeding Edge http://ubuntuedge.wordpress.com/ No match for LINUSWEARSTHEPANTS.ORG. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
RE: Metrocracy vs democracy
Andrew, None of us really want a meritocracy, but we want the same structure that option 1a gives us. It was named the wrong way apparently, which is why you probably think we are all going with a meritocracy, but we are not. I thought everyone already agreed on a model of election. But it seems we haven't just yet, this is something that should be discussed next meeting. Ryan Macnish Subject: Re: Metrocracy vs democracy From: gande...@gmail.com To: colinjamesmcderm...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:34:05 +1000 CC: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com Colin, Yes an 'Elected' board/council could appoint people to roles based on 'Merit'. Andrew G. On Thu, 2010-06-10 at 09:28 +1000, colin mcdermott wrote: There are not many reasons why we cannot have a 'Team' elected to positions based on merit every 12 months. When people nominate for positions they can put up their credentials, why they want the position and what they can do for the Ubuntu-au Loco. Isn't this pretty much standard! I mean Ubuntu is not a four person project, it is not a small flash in a pan thing that someone has whipped out of their backyard. Personally, I think that we need a Ubuntu Confrence in Australia. This confrence should be conducted on a yearly/bi-yearly basis (perhaps inpart online/through a web hookup), we talk all things Ubuntu and we elect our leaders there accepting online votes from anyone not there. There could be simultanious confrences, but the point is this: Ubuntu is not a four person Distribution. Ubuntu is open source, it is free to all and it's governance is (nay should be) transperant. Microsoft is a commercial product, it's governance is closed. While I can have input into the product, I have no vote nor control on how it is designed. Once a board is elected that board can appoint people to perform tasks, take roles, assign goals, do as it feels. I know that you will see members drop off from the board, but the board can replace them as they see fit. The board would be free from the election for most if not all of the year, but it will be heald to public account! Why do people fear a fair election? Sincerely Colin McDermott -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au _ If It Exists, You'll Find it on SEEK. Australia's #1 job site http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/-- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Local Ubuntu conference [Was: Metrocracy vs democracy]
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Jeff Waugh j...@bethesignal.org wrote: quote who=colin mcdermott Personally, I think that we need a Ubuntu Confrence in Australia. This confrence should be conducted on a yearly/bi-yearly basis (perhaps inpart online/through a web hookup), we talk all things Ubuntu and we elect our leaders there accepting online votes from anyone not there. There could be simultanious confrences, but the point is this: Why not arrange an Ubuntu event before linux.conf.au (being one of the best Free Software conferences in the world and our biggest and brightest FLOSS event)... although in recent years separate single-distro miniconfs have not been selected, there is always the option of holding a special event before the conference proper (much like FOMS). Just a thought. Go where the people are and all. - Jeff Excellent Idea! There is nothing stopping anyone from having a Ubuntu event on the weekend before Linux.conf..au in the same city Say start at 12noon on Saturday (allow people enough time to fly in), finish sometime on Sunday. Then on monday, go to LCA. (that's my idea for the timing on it.. Gets the maximum number of people attending at the lowest travel cost as they are coming anyway for LCA). For those that haven't organise an event before, it's a lot of work. can't just roll up on the day and have everything happen. Using the above as a framework, 12noon to say 6pm and then 9am to 3pm on Sunday is a lot of hours to keep people engaged and enthused. The logistics gets worse as the number of streams increase. For those that are considering it without previous unconference/conference experience, do something smaller first. Try an BarCamp first of comparable length. Please don't be scared off by this but plan it fully. Regards George -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Local Ubuntu conference [Was: Metrocracy vs democracy]
quote who=George Patterson For those that are considering it without previous unconference/conference experience, do something smaller first. Try an BarCamp first of comparable length. Please don't be scared off by this but plan it fully. Concur. I ran GNOME.conf.au as a linux.conf.au miniconf for a few years. It took quite a bit of preparation for a fairly simple event -- one room, one stream, 8-10 sessions, most of which were half presentation, half QA. They were much-loved and incredibly satisfying to work on. Nothing like a whole day of sharing and energy to meet and greet your peers and future friends! - Jeff -- Ubuntu's Bleeding Edge http://ubuntuedge.wordpress.com/ W.O.R.K: Weekend Over, Resume the Killings. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Australian Digital Education Revolutionbeing a BIG blow for Linux.
On 9 June 2010 17:36, Jared Norris jrnor...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 June 2010 17:27, Karl Bowden karlbow...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Harry, Would you care to share some more details on the 'Next G' device you are trying to get working? I have a few Telstra Next G Wireless Broadband devices I use at work. They are all ZTE MF636 devices. We also use a few tethered mobile all through Network Manager too. The devices I use are the white usb dongles without the blue swivel on the usb connector. They have the Telstra Logo on the top and NEXTG on the bottom with a blue outline around the device. Also do you have any of the instructions written down on how you got the device working through the terminal? Any extra details you can give us would go a long way. - Karl On 9 June 2010 16:55, ha...@ipunix.com ha...@ipunix.com wrote: Jared, Thanks for making some input; today we actually have got a Next G Device working with the help of a clever Virgin Mobile employee. The point that I tried to make is that we have NetWork Manager, wvdial and the GUI for gnome-ppp. None of them work for getting a Next G Device just simply to work as it does for say a WiFi connection. We always have to search for information and use the Terminal to make it work. What I am looking for is to have NetWork Manager just simply do the job so that non computer wizards can move away from Microsoft and embrace the freedom that can be found with Linux. Another device that is still a problem is the scanner function in Multi-Function Printers. I would say that when both items are working without any hassles we will see a strong move towards Linux by users of laptops. Any clever Linux person passing through Strathpine please call in for a cuppa of Java. In case of anyone that tried to phone me, my appologies there was a typo in my number. Cheers, Harry Degenaar 0401231068 ha...@ipunix.com www.ipunix.com From: Jared Norris jrnor...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 3:55 PM To: ha...@ipunix.com Subject: Re: Australian Digital Education Revolutionbeing a BIG blow for Linux. On 8 June 2010 15:29, ha...@ipunix.com wrote: I am coming back to this topic; I would like to know if any of you have experience in getting a Next G wireless broadband modem(s) to work on Ubuntu. I have tried the network manager in Ubuntu, wvdial and the gui gnome-ppp, etc..but nothing works. As the above is still a well recognized problem and since I want to promote Linux acceptance for laptop users (schools and in general) can someone living near the Strathpine, Pine Rivers area help out in this? Thanks, Harry Degenaar 0401241068 ha...@ipunix.com www.ipunix.com -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au Harry, I'm not sure exactly which NextG device you are referring to but as a team we have set up a wiki that may be of assistance to you. If you have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/WirelessBroadbandInformation you will see a list of wireless broadband devices that are available in Australia on different networks and if there were any special requirements to get them working within Ubuntu. While it may not exactly solve your issue it might at least start to point you in the right direction. If it doesn't solve your issue but helps please feel free to update the wiki page with the information you found useful so that others may benefit as well. Regards, Jared Norris -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au Karl, I had a quick look on the wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/WirelessBroadbandInformation and for your device it states all that is required is Appears as a CD on the desktop on first insert. Right click and select 'Safely Remove Hardware' then it gets reattached internally as a modem and can be used as normal. YMMV, as I have to use Eject for the modeswitching to occur (on 9.10), and sometimes requires a change of usb port to get working. Some of those notes were mine too. I have searched through the list archives but it seems my instructions for disabling the cdrun are not there. I have created a github repo with a script to enable and disable the cdrun and updated the wiki notes. http://github.com/agentk/ztecdrun Usage: git clone git://github.com/agentk/ztecdrun.git python ztecdrun/ztecdrun.py /dev/ttyUSB1 disable Expected output: ATZ: OK AT+ZOPRT=5: OK AT+ZCDRUN=8: Close autorun state result(0:FAIL 1:SUCCESS):1 SUCCESS I personally have tested this but I hope this works for you. I have one of the Telstra Elite home network gateway and it had to be activated over a windows pc (as the supplied software is only for windows to do this with) but is essentially a stand alone router once it is activated. It usually gets better speeds than
Re: Local Ubuntu conference [Was: Metrocracy vs democracy]
On 10/06/10 11:45, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=George Patterson For those that are considering it without previous unconference/conference experience, do something smaller first. Try an BarCamp first of comparable length. Please don't be scared off by this but plan it fully. Concur. I ran GNOME.conf.au as a linux.conf.au miniconf for a few years. It took quite a bit of preparation for a fairly simple event -- one room, one stream, 8-10 sessions, most of which were half presentation, half QA. They were much-loved and incredibly satisfying to work on. Nothing like a whole day of sharing and energy to meet and greet your peers and future friends! On http://linux.org.au/LCA: In 2011 linux.conf.au is heading to Brisbane. From the 16th to the 22nd of January the Queensland capital will play host to one of the world's best conferences for Free and Open Source Software developers and users. Sounds like we in the Brisbane team need to get cracking... Paul attachment: paul.vcf-- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Local Ubuntu conference [Was: Metrocracy vs democracy]
quote who=Paul Gear Sounds like we in the Brisbane team need to get cracking... :-) Another nice bonus when it comes to holding an event ahead of linux.conf.au: there are usually quite a few Canonical folk from overseas speaking or just attending. Though not crucial (we have awesome local contributors of course) it's a nice way to ratchet up interest from less community-connected folks. (The very first GNOME.conf.au in 2004 was a massive success because we had an unusually large presence of GNOME and X contributors that year.) - Jeff -- Ubuntu's Bleeding Edge http://ubuntuedge.wordpress.com/ It's a pan-dimensional cake, and there are many ways to slice it. - Bruce Badger -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
