Re: virus phone call scam: question/wacky replies
Hi there, On 20 June 2012 22:20, Tom Sparks tom_a_spa...@yahoo.com.au wrote: 'We have been getting phone calls say your computer has a problem... Most time I just hand up. But I've been think of give these caller a 10 question or some wacky replies [...] Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb69H7l0vJA (Ha ha!) -- Best regards, Ishwor -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Good IRC client
On 21 May 2012 08:36, Stephen Rees-Carter step...@rees-carter.net wrote: On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Ishwor Gurung ishwor.gur...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 May 2012 10:30, Stephen Rees-Carter step...@rees-carter.net wrote: I'm curious, what does the client-server model do in Quassel? I assume you don't mean you run your own IRC server? No. It runs the irc client for you and stays connected until it is shutdown. 1. your irc client on Ubuntu quassel irc.freenode.net 2. You disconnect 3. But Quassel irc.freenode.net remains open. Ah ok. I've never considered that as an option. I guess I'm more of a casual IRC user so I don't need to know everything said while I'm gone. Still, I'll keep it in mind :) I tried Irssi a while ago, but it doesn't play nice with Byobu so it never worked out for me. Having said above, people still prefer to use irssi with screen or tmux. My Irssi/screen/tmux skills must just be lacking :) (Highly likely!) It's also about how one likes to use the tools I guess. The said tools should feel natural to the user. It could very well be that you like Pidgin / Empathy because it feels natural to you. Like I said, it's just a preference thingy but knowing what are available out there would not hurt :-) Cheers I know it's a bit uncool, and i don't know if it meets your requirements (since i don't use Unity), but i find pidgin to be pretty good. I prefer it because it integrates IRC, XMPP, and other protocols, and its logging and searching works pretty well. I use dircproxy to keep my IRC connection going regardless of my laptop's status, and between the two it meets my needs. I've been using Empathy for a similar reason, and it's still on my short list. Thanks everyone, I'll give XChat another trial and see how it goes. I can always switch if it gets too annoying again! Thanks, ~Stephen -- Stephen Rees-Carter ~ Valorin http://stephen.rees-carter.net/ -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- Best regards, Ishwor -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Question for GCC programmers
Hello. On 10 October 2010 07:29, Paul Gear p...@libertysys.com.au wrote: On 09/10/10 14:21, David Fawcett wrote: On 9 October 2010 15:13, Lisa Milne l...@ltmnet.com wrote: Please don't recommend mono, it's just a Bad Idea: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono So whats the solution? Java works for me. It has interfaces to all of the appropriate low-level libraries on both Linux Windows, and it's not patent encumbered like Mono. It also has an outstanding ecosystem of software which has grown up around it, particularly the various Java components of the Apache project. Urwid[1] UI library for Python could be of interest. It provides high-level abstraction to console interface. Cheers [1] http://excess.org/urwid/ -- Regards Ishwor Gurung Key id:0xa98db35e Key fingerprint:FBEF 0D69 6DE1 C72B A5A8 35FE 5A9B F3BB 4E5E 17B5 -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Email reader for the blind
Hi David, 2009/12/19 David Bowskill david...@tpg.com.au: Hello all I have a friend who is virtually blind and would like to migrate from MS to Ubuntu. He requires a 'text-to-audio' program to read his emails. Does anyone know of an OS program which can run under Ubuntu to achieve this ? I don't know how well it works but its there ;) http://accessibility.kde.org/developer/kttsd/ [...] -- Regards, Ishwor Gurung -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ubuntu-based malware
Heh. 2009/12/15 db db.pub.m...@gmail.com: You cannot just read the pre and post install instructions. If there is a compiled binary how are you going to know what it does ? It isn't that simple. If it was simple to know if a piece of software was dangerous antivirus companies would have a hard time :P I think Chris was referring more to malwares that tries to do sneaky things via pre-post install scripts. Ofcourse to check the binary, one would have to do other trickery that aren't trivial. [...] -- Regards, Ishwor Gurung -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Stickers
Hi folks I want some of those (~3-5) cute Ubuntu stickers. Please advise where I can find one for free/fee. Thanks :-) -- Regards, Ishwor Gurung -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Stickers
2009/8/30 Ryan Ralph ryanralph1...@gmail.com: I also sent a SASE to that same place and am yet to get a reply. This just reminded me, I'd forgotten about it. I wonder what happened to the distributor? -- Ryan Ralph ryanralph1...@gmail.com On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Scott Evans sc...@vk7hse.hobby-site.org wrote: Well, I don't want to put a damper on this but I posted a SASE to ... (system 76) Australia Sticker Offer P.O Box 1412 Lavington, NSW 2641 back in January this year, as yet I have not received the reply envelope containing the goods! I offered to the person in charge of the above mentioned project that I'd be happy to pay for postage for a quantity of stickers and the SASE to be posted and I'll complete the request as I do not work and have the time to assist with this. I was bluntly told that the matter was in hand and to go posting items all over the place was inefficient. Thanks to the Ubuntu Australia Team! You would be better off buying some from zareason not only will you get what you want within 10 working days, these stickers are made from aluminium and look much better than the paper ones from the system 76 site... Hmm.. This whirlpool post has some useful info http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/977477.html. Other places I will be looking for is cafepress and zazzle. -- Regards, Ishwor Gurung -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Lightweight Email Client
Hello, Simon Ives wrote: Hi All. Can anyone recommend a lightweight email client that I can use with my EEE PC running Ubuntu 8.10 and Ubuntu NBR? Evolution is too bulky and Thunderbird doesn't play well with the NBR interface. I'm after something with a really simple user interface. Thanks. http://www.claws-mail.org/ Claws Mail is an email client (and news reader), based on GTK+, featuring Quick response Graceful, and sophisticated interface Easy configuration, intuitive operation Abundant features Extensibility Robustness and stability The appearance and interface are designed to be familiar to new users coming from other popular email clients, as well as experienced users. Almost all commands are accessible with the keyboard. The messages are managed in the standard MH format, which features fast access and data security. You'll be able to import your emails from almost any other email client, and export them just as easily. Lots of extra functionality, like an RSS aggregator, calendar, or laptop LED handling, are provided by extra plugins. Regards, Ishwor -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: I need a Menu Editor for the Application Launcher Menu (widget)
Hi Peter, On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 05:00:31 pm Peter Williams wrote: Does not appear to have a Menu Editor option. Does anyone else have any suggestions of where I can find a Menu Editor for it. 1) Go to console (ALT+F2 and type xterm) 2) Type kmenuedit and press enter. -- Cheers, 631D 88CF 58B1 44C7 BB8D 7183 0790 5FB8 B48D 7241 Ishwor GurungThis is a cryptographically signed message. If you Adelaide, Australia would like to send me an encrypted email, my public m:(+61)0401466237key is available at the following key servers - sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pgp.mit.edu, hkp://subkeys.pgp.net, skype:guffarihkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com or hkp://pgp.mit.edu signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: DVD - CD BURNING
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:57:33 am David Ryder wrote: Hi everybody, HARDY [ ... ] But I really would prefer not to use Wine - does anybody know of other Linux (Ubuntu) programs that are good or what I might be able to do to get successful burns in Ubuntu, please? Try k3b but you need to install kde libraries as well if that's ok with you, give it a go once. $ aptitude install k3b; Also http://k3b.plainblack.com/screenshots cheers -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: zombie after startup
On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:33:52 pm Sebastian Spiess wrote: hi all, for quite a while now I've been having one or sometimes 2 zombie processes showing in my system monitor zombie is a defunct process; a process which hasn't been wait(2)'ed upon by its parent procecss after dying. In terms of non-programming jargon, this basically means that a process goes into a zombie state when it dies but hasn't been recollected by its parent because the child hasn't returned yet. PARENT--- |- CHILD (via fork), died but not returned to the parent yet, so a zombie. I tried to kill them using the system monitor. I tried killall and PID but everything I tried did not work. After reboot the zombie is back. I don't think you can kill a zombie process normally. You can try issuing SIGCHLD(signal(7)), install a signal handler specifically for SIGCHLD (because it is ignored on Linux afaik) and then issue wait(2) on the child but that's about it. If that doesn't work out, init (PID 1) automatically handles defunct processes and issues wait(2) on it. However, do remember that it does take up space in the running kernel (for process table entries) but not actual system memory. PID is always 6000 if that matters. PID - Incremented sequentially so that doesn't really matter afaik unless they are more than what the system can handle (max value is available via procs - /proc/sys/kernel/pid_max, which is tunable) How can I investigate what causes this zombie and how can I kill it. I would prefer the shot gun which worked well on zombies in some games but here in my system probably not :-) heh. :) You could write a small code that - 1) adds a hook to SIGCHLD (signal(7)) by installing a signal handler (because a SIGCHLD signal is ignored by default on Linux). 2) issue wait(2) on process. If they don't do the magic, then I guess init(8) [PID 1] will adopt the zombies and then set wait(2) on it so it can reap it. That's the last resort. I guess the most important statement from [1] is that - Zombies that exist for more than a short period of time typically indicate a bug in the parent program. So, if that's the case it may be a good idea to contact the upstream author of whatever piece of code that is. I am no guru but since its weekend, I thought I could help you out a bit ;) [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zombie_process cheers -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: z600 driver for a Lexmark printer.
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:26:05 pm The Wassermans wrote: Thank you Ishwor, This looks promising. I'll try it out a little later. And report the result due course. Cheers Dave W No worries! :) [ ... ] cheers -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: z600 driver for a Lexmark printer.
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 02:46:17 pm The Wassermans wrote: I have loaded and installed z600 driver which variuos sources assure me will drive my Lexmark x1195 printer. http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Lexmark-X1195 says it will work perfectly. SystemAdministrationprinters Sees both the printer and the z600 driver. I have configured and re-configured the printer carefully following the prompts. But when it comes to actually printing . . nothing happens. I just had a quick google at your printer and required setup to run in Ubuntu. In case you haven't tried these already - 1) Check the cablings and try a self-test of the printer if theres one. 2) Run the printer configs as root (and also add the printer as a root). 3) Try testing by running z600 backend (/usr/lib/cups/backend/z600). Check https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters/LexmarkMultifuncPrinters for more details. cheers -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Arduino boards
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:58:12 am ishwor wrote: Hi list, I am looking to buy Arduino board from reseller here in Australia that accept direct debits. I've found only Littlebird electronics which does not accept dd :( Any idea/s? I think this would be offtopic for this list. : Right? If someone does know any other shop besides LB electronics, please let me know. Thinking of starting to play around it a bit in my spare time. :) cheers -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Slashdot-like aussie website
On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 01:49:25 pm Daniel Mons wrote: Morgan Storey wrote: | I find www.overclockers.com.au http://www.overclockers.com.au good as | well, it aggregates and has very active forums, but it is everything, | Linux, Windows, Mac, hardware. A beer to anyone who can guess my handle on OCAU! :) -Dan Pretty obvious. Danyell :-) cheers -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Slashdot-like aussie website
On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 01:49:25 pm Daniel Mons wrote: Morgan Storey wrote: | I find www.overclockers.com.au http://www.overclockers.com.au good as | well, it aggregates and has very active forums, but it is everything, | Linux, Windows, Mac, hardware. A beer to anyone who can guess my handle on OCAU! :) -Dan Oh and Danyell :) save the beer for another day. will ya? :) cheers -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Slashdot-like aussie website
On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 08:52:26 am Daniel Mons wrote: ishwor wrote: | On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 01:49:25 pm Daniel Mons wrote: | Morgan Storey wrote: | | I find www.overclockers.com.au http://www.overclockers.com.au good | | as well, it aggregates and has very active forums, but it is | | everything, Linux, Windows, Mac, hardware. | | A beer to anyone who can guess my handle on OCAU! :) | | -Dan | | Oh and Danyell :) save the beer for another day. will ya? :) Sorry, that ain't me. Guess again! :) Hint: I rant just as much there as I do here. :) -Dan woops! no idea then :) cheers -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Slashdot-like aussie website
Hi list, I am a bit curious as to what people here read daily? Obviously, there is no slashdot-like page hosted within Australia. The websites/forums that I regularly visit are slashdot, linuxworld, whirlpool, lwn and ddj. Are there any more I am missing from the scene that could potentially be of interest? thanks. :) cheers -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Monitor problem
On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 12:42:03 pm ishwor wrote: On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 12:17:46 pm The Wassermans wrote: On Sun, 2008-07-06 at 21:12 +1000, Martin Visser wrote: I would disagree here. For display photographic images, almost no work is being done by the graphics card. Any basic card running as a frame [ ... ] Greetings Martin, I just downloaded and tried gThumb. My first impressions are that it slidescreen's very much better than both Picasa F-Spot. Just as you said. I will spend some time with it to see if I will adopt it in favour of the others. gwenview isn't too bad either. It's the default image viewer in Kubuntu(KDE). Much of the technical discussion that has been going on is well above me. But I'm trying to digest some of it. Maybe one day I too will be able to converse so technically? If you want it badly enough, you shall have it badly enough. *_^ does that make sense? Anywho, it's not that hard if you just muck around and take some time to read man pages, technical_reviews, articles _regularly_. It's an interesting metaverse of it's own. ;) You say that Picasa for Linux is really an emulation using intergrated Wine? And therefore some aspects of the Windows version are compromised? Or were you assuming I had loaded Wine in order to run Picasa? Might be the same thing really? Picasa runs off wine (reverse acronym for Wine Is Not an Emulator). Basically it's a software library that provides the same/atleast_try_to_provide_the_same feature set as win32 dlls (Shared software libraries in windows) so that windows programs that depend on win32 library/s can instead link into wine libraries and use the dlls there like in Microsoft windows. Hence, I believe, the software that run natively on Microsoft windows may not be as fast as the wine equivalents because of extra overhead underlying the function calls from wine dlls-glibc-kernel (I could be dead wrong in the water here! If so, please rectify me). Typo - The other way round ;) i.e. - the software that run using wine may not be as fast as the Microsoft windows equivalents because of extra overhead underlying the function calls from wine dlls-glibc-kernel (I could be dead wrong in the water here! If so, please rectify me). cheers -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Slashdot-like aussie website
On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 12:11:23 pm Senectus . wrote: I have a list of web comics I visit every day :-) Most of them are daily updaters User Friendly the Comic Strip - The Daily Statichttp://www.userfriendly.org/ Penny Arcade! - I Get Hungry On Occasion http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic General Protection Fault--The Comic Strip http://www.gpf-comics.com/ Ctrl+Alt+Del - Tragically l337 http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php PvPonline.com · Hosted By SPEAKEASY.NET http://www.pvponline.com/ xkcd - A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math, and language - By Randall Munroe http://xkcd.com/ xkcd 3 : Thanks Morgan and senectus! cheers -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Monitor problem
On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 01:09:00 pm The Wassermans wrote: On Mon, 2008-07-07 at 12:42 +0930, ishwor wrote: On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 12:17:46 pm The Wassermans wrote: On Sun, 2008-07-06 at 21:12 +1000, Martin Visser wrote: [ ... ] Hope that's not too hard to understand from technical perspective. No ishwor, that was helpful. I guess I want it badly enough. But does that explain why the Picasa Linux version does not perform as well as the native Windows version? Possibly. :) I'll have a peep at gwenview and see what I think. (The way this is going, I'll soon be the technical authority on the best photo album software in the world!!) Heh. There's more esoteric ones but I'll let you figure out for yourself. Hint: view it's called. :P When you do get the hang of all of them, if you got some time at hand and say you're willing (during say weekends or sometime), write up a blog comparing feature sets, speeds and/or beautification of each one you tried. It could immensely help other linux users. Ofcourse, that's only if you want to. You don't have to if you don't want to. ;) Thanks for your input Anytime. No problemo. :) cheers -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Microsoft CDs
Hi Wassermans, On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 01:04:51 pm The Wassermans wrote: On Fri, 2008-07-04 at 01:21 +0930, ishwor wrote: While I understand ocassional M$ bashing, what I do not understand is why linux / GNU(moo)/Linux users have to criticise Microsoft Windows all the time? Haven't we got something that's original of our own? I mean can't we just let it alone? It's the same crowd everywhere these days from slashdot to mailing list. MS Windows taks it from left/right/bottom/up in much the same way as linux takes it from BSD. Okay. You've touched my guilt nerve. I can understand, and even sympathise with your irritation. I just struck me as funny at the time. Err. What does BSD mean please? Dave W BSD - Berkeley Software Distribution. To get more information have a read through the wikipedia :) One primary difference between linux and bsd is that in bsd, everything in the system is worked on by a core set of bsd developers. compare that with linux where hundreds of developers/coders working on simulataneously/concurrently. plus the focus in lot of BSDs around is on strong codebase, security and ehnacibility. Everyone knows about openbsd's popular ssh server. it has pretty well withstood the time so far. These days bsd's popular choice prevail as an alternative to windows/linux/solaris. Espceially Freebsd, OpenBSD and Netbsd. there are more. these were derived from 4.4BSD i think. have a great weekend folks. Yay! cheers dude cheers -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ubuntu upgrades
On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 05:54:43 am Paul Gear wrote: ishwor wrote: ... [ ... ] A simpler method than NFS would be rsync: aptitude install rsync # on both systems cd /var/cache/apt rsync -av . otherbox:/var/cache/apt # replace /var/cache/apt # with $PWD if you prefer @OP - Or as Paul mentions - rsync ^_^ Now go to other box- # cd /some/exported.share/ # dpkg -i *.deb; Now this will get you in big trouble. What if you have different packages on the different boxes? You'll get dependency problems. The FYI Paul, the OP mentions that he/she is upgrading both boxes simultaneously but do not want to expend the effort/cost of downloading at both the places. And hence, both the boxen have the needed for exactly the same packages. That is what I thought earlier and wrote straight off in one go err, without thinking too much. ^_^ Or, perhaps I haven't been clear about - Bear in mind, the dependencies have to be exact in both the machines. :) Basically it means - a) Needed packages for box A - foo1.deb, foo2.deb, foo3.deb b) Needed packages for box B - foo1.deb, foo3.deb, foo4.deb Package upgraded via our method (both nfs+rsync) here is foo1.deb. Our manual drudgery sucks anyway compared to the harrisony's. moo! :D simple thing to do after you've rsynced the apt cache is just upgrade normally - it will use the cached files instead of downloading them again. Or, just uprade; yes as Paul writes. So essentially instead of # dpkg -i; the op can do # aptitude upgrade in the second box. So, how's everyone's morning going? If I've been rude a bit then I am sorry. My name is Ishwor. Nice meeting you all Ubunturos! ;) cheers -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ubuntu upgrades
On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 07:38:53 am ishwor wrote: On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 05:54:43 am Paul Gear wrote: ishwor wrote: [ ... ] Or, just uprade; yes as Paul writes. So essentially instead of # dpkg -i ; ^ *.deb the op can do # aptitude upgrade in the second box. So, how's everyone's morning going? If I've been rude a bit then I am woah! Felt like I just barged in randomly!:D sorry. My name is Ishwor. Nice meeting you all Ubunturos! ;) cheers cheers -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: broadband with linux mirror
Hi Sebastian, On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 09:30:51 am Dale wrote: 2008/7/1 Sebastian [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi all, I recently moved and now I have to look into a new broadband connection. Until now I was with AAPT but I consider a new carrier. Which ISPs can you recommend in the Sydney area who have a not counted Linux mirror for updates? I know of iinet and internode but are there more or even better one? I thought as well about naked DSL as we do not many local calls, if only to calling card services for over seas. By now I have a alder netgear router, am I correct that I can't use this one for ADSL +2 or even VoIP? Cheers, Sebastian [ ... ] Hi Sebastian, Internode I would say it the best ISP to go with. TPG adsl2+ isn't too bad either except that they do not provide any apt mirror. It would be great if pipenetworks (the backbone) actually made the data free of cost for participating ISPs (who I presume pay fees to them). I am not sure if TPG is working towards providing an apt mirror. Speedwise (down+up), TPG adsl2+ is not too shabby. cheers -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
