Re: Australian Digital Education Revolutionbeing a BIG blow for Linux.

2010-06-09 Thread Karl Bowden 
On 9 June 2010 17:36, Jared Norris  wrote:
> On 9 June 2010 17:27, Karl Bowden  wrote:
>> Hi Harry,
>>
>> Would you care to share some more details on the 'Next "G"' device you
>> are trying to get working?
>>
>> I have a few Telstra Next G Wireless Broadband devices I use at work.
>> They are all ZTE MF636 devices. We also use a few tethered mobile all
>> through Network Manager too.
>> The devices I use are the white usb dongles without the blue swivel on
>> the usb connector. They have the Telstra Logo on the top and NEXTG on
>> the bottom with a blue outline around the device.
>>
>> Also do you have any of the instructions written down on how you got
>> the device working through the terminal?
>>
>> Any extra details you can give us would go a long way.
>>
>> - Karl
>>
>> On 9 June 2010 16:55, ha...@ipunix.com  wrote:
>>> Jared,
>>>
>>> Thanks for making some input; today we actually have got a Next "G" Device
>>> working with the help of a clever Virgin Mobile employee. The point that I
>>> tried to make is that we have NetWork Manager, wvdial and the GUI for
>>> gnome-ppp.
>>> None of them work for getting a Next "G" Device just simply to work as it
>>> does for say a WiFi connection. We always have to search for information and
>>> use the Terminal to make it work. What I am looking for is to have NetWork
>>> Manager just simply do the job so that non computer wizards can move away
>>> from Microsoft and embrace the freedom that can be found with Linux.
>>>
>>> Another device that is still a problem is the scanner function in
>>> Multi-Function Printers. I would say that when both items are working
>>> without any hassles we will see a strong move towards Linux by users of
>>> laptops.
>>>
>>> Any clever Linux person passing through Strathpine please call in for a
>>> cuppa of Java.
>>>
>>> In case of anyone that tried to phone me, my appologies there was a typo in
>>> my number.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Harry Degenaar
>>> 0401231068
>>> ha...@ipunix.com
>>> www.ipunix.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> From: "Jared Norris" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 3:55 PM
>>> To: ha...@ipunix.com
>>> Subject: Re: Australian Digital Education Revolutionbeing a BIG blow for
>>> Linux.
>>>
>>> On 8 June 2010 15:29, ha...@ipunix.com wrote:
>>>> I am coming back to this topic; I would like to know if any of you have
>>>> experience in getting a Next "G" wireless broadband modem(s) to work on
>>>> Ubuntu. I have tried the network manager in Ubuntu, wvdial and the gui
>>>> gnome-ppp, etc..but nothing works.
>>>>
>>>> As the above is still a well recognized problem and since I want to
>>>> promote
>>>> Linux acceptance for laptop users (schools and in general) can someone
>>>> living near the Strathpine, Pine Rivers area help out in this?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Harry Degenaar
>>>> 0401241068
>>>> ha...@ipunix.com
>>>> www.ipunix.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> ubuntu-au mailing list
>>>> ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com
>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Harry,
>>>
>>> I'm not sure exactly which NextG device you are referring to but as a
>>> team we have set up a wiki that may be of assistance to you. If you
>>> have a look at
>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/WirelessBroadbandInformation
>>> you will see a list of wireless broadband devices that are available
>>> in Australia on different networks and if there were any special
>>> requirements to get them working within Ubuntu. While it may not
>>> exactly solve your issue it might at least start to point you in the
>>> right direction. If it doesn't solve your issue but helps please feel
>>> free to update the wiki page with the information you found useful so
>>> that others may benefit as well.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Jared Norris
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> ubuntu-au@li

Re: Australian Digital Education Revolutionbeing a BIG blow for Linux.

2010-06-09 Thread Jared Norris 
On 9 June 2010 17:27, Karl Bowden  wrote:
> Hi Harry,
>
> Would you care to share some more details on the 'Next "G"' device you
> are trying to get working?
>
> I have a few Telstra Next G Wireless Broadband devices I use at work.
> They are all ZTE MF636 devices. We also use a few tethered mobile all
> through Network Manager too.
> The devices I use are the white usb dongles without the blue swivel on
> the usb connector. They have the Telstra Logo on the top and NEXTG on
> the bottom with a blue outline around the device.
>
> Also do you have any of the instructions written down on how you got
> the device working through the terminal?
>
> Any extra details you can give us would go a long way.
>
> - Karl
>
> On 9 June 2010 16:55, ha...@ipunix.com  wrote:
>> Jared,
>>
>> Thanks for making some input; today we actually have got a Next "G" Device
>> working with the help of a clever Virgin Mobile employee. The point that I
>> tried to make is that we have NetWork Manager, wvdial and the GUI for
>> gnome-ppp.
>> None of them work for getting a Next "G" Device just simply to work as it
>> does for say a WiFi connection. We always have to search for information and
>> use the Terminal to make it work. What I am looking for is to have NetWork
>> Manager just simply do the job so that non computer wizards can move away
>> from Microsoft and embrace the freedom that can be found with Linux.
>>
>> Another device that is still a problem is the scanner function in
>> Multi-Function Printers. I would say that when both items are working
>> without any hassles we will see a strong move towards Linux by users of
>> laptops.
>>
>> Any clever Linux person passing through Strathpine please call in for a
>> cuppa of Java.
>>
>> In case of anyone that tried to phone me, my appologies there was a typo in
>> my number.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Harry Degenaar
>> 0401231068
>> ha...@ipunix.com
>> www.ipunix.com
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> From: "Jared Norris" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 3:55 PM
>> To: ha...@ipunix.com
>> Subject: Re: Australian Digital Education Revolutionbeing a BIG blow for
>> Linux.
>>
>> On 8 June 2010 15:29, ha...@ipunix.com wrote:
>>> I am coming back to this topic; I would like to know if any of you have
>>> experience in getting a Next "G" wireless broadband modem(s) to work on
>>> Ubuntu. I have tried the network manager in Ubuntu, wvdial and the gui
>>> gnome-ppp, etc..but nothing works.
>>>
>>> As the above is still a well recognized problem and since I want to
>>> promote
>>> Linux acceptance for laptop users (schools and in general) can someone
>>> living near the Strathpine, Pine Rivers area help out in this?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Harry Degenaar
>>> 0401241068
>>> ha...@ipunix.com
>>> www.ipunix.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> ubuntu-au mailing list
>>> ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com
>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Harry,
>>
>> I'm not sure exactly which NextG device you are referring to but as a
>> team we have set up a wiki that may be of assistance to you. If you
>> have a look at
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/WirelessBroadbandInformation
>> you will see a list of wireless broadband devices that are available
>> in Australia on different networks and if there were any special
>> requirements to get them working within Ubuntu. While it may not
>> exactly solve your issue it might at least start to point you in the
>> right direction. If it doesn't solve your issue but helps please feel
>> free to update the wiki page with the information you found useful so
>> that others may benefit as well.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jared Norris
>>
>>
>> --
>> ubuntu-au mailing list
>> ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com
>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
>>
>>
>

Karl,

I had a quick look on the wiki page
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/WirelessBroadbandInformation
and for your device it states all that is required is

"Appears as a CD on the desktop on first insert. Right click and
select 'Safely Remove Hardware' then it gets reattached internally as
a modem and can be used as normal. YMMV, as I have to use "Eject" for
the modeswitching to occur (on 9.10), and sometimes requires a change
of usb port to get working."

I personally have tested this but I hope this works for you. I have
one of the Telstra Elite home network gateway and it had to be
activated over a windows pc (as the supplied software is only for
windows to do this with) but is essentially a stand alone router once
it is activated. It usually gets better speeds than the dongles and is
much easier to share across multiple computers/devices.

Regards,

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Re: Australian Digital Education Revolutionbeing a BIG blow for Linux.

2010-06-09 Thread Karl Bowden 
Hi Harry,

Would you care to share some more details on the 'Next "G"' device you
are trying to get working?

I have a few Telstra Next G Wireless Broadband devices I use at work.
They are all ZTE MF636 devices. We also use a few tethered mobile all
through Network Manager too.
The devices I use are the white usb dongles without the blue swivel on
the usb connector. They have the Telstra Logo on the top and NEXTG on
the bottom with a blue outline around the device.

Also do you have any of the instructions written down on how you got
the device working through the terminal?

Any extra details you can give us would go a long way.

- Karl

On 9 June 2010 16:55, ha...@ipunix.com  wrote:
> Jared,
>
> Thanks for making some input; today we actually have got a Next "G" Device
> working with the help of a clever Virgin Mobile employee. The point that I
> tried to make is that we have NetWork Manager, wvdial and the GUI for
> gnome-ppp.
> None of them work for getting a Next "G" Device just simply to work as it
> does for say a WiFi connection. We always have to search for information and
> use the Terminal to make it work. What I am looking for is to have NetWork
> Manager just simply do the job so that non computer wizards can move away
> from Microsoft and embrace the freedom that can be found with Linux.
>
> Another device that is still a problem is the scanner function in
> Multi-Function Printers. I would say that when both items are working
> without any hassles we will see a strong move towards Linux by users of
> laptops.
>
> Any clever Linux person passing through Strathpine please call in for a
> cuppa of Java.
>
> In case of anyone that tried to phone me, my appologies there was a typo in
> my number.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Harry Degenaar
> 0401231068
> ha...@ipunix.com
> www.ipunix.com
>
>
>
> ________
> From: "Jared Norris" 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 3:55 PM
> To: ha...@ipunix.com
> Subject: Re: Australian Digital Education Revolutionbeing a BIG blow for
> Linux.
>
> On 8 June 2010 15:29, ha...@ipunix.com wrote:
>> I am coming back to this topic; I would like to know if any of you have
>> experience in getting a Next "G" wireless broadband modem(s) to work on
>> Ubuntu. I have tried the network manager in Ubuntu, wvdial and the gui
>> gnome-ppp, etc..but nothing works.
>>
>> As the above is still a well recognized problem and since I want to
>> promote
>> Linux acceptance for laptop users (schools and in general) can someone
>> living near the Strathpine, Pine Rivers area help out in this?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Harry Degenaar
>> 0401241068
>> ha...@ipunix.com
>> www.ipunix.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ubuntu-au mailing list
>> ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com
>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
>>
>>
>
> Harry,
>
> I'm not sure exactly which NextG device you are referring to but as a
> team we have set up a wiki that may be of assistance to you. If you
> have a look at
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/WirelessBroadbandInformation
> you will see a list of wireless broadband devices that are available
> in Australia on different networks and if there were any special
> requirements to get them working within Ubuntu. While it may not
> exactly solve your issue it might at least start to point you in the
> right direction. If it doesn't solve your issue but helps please feel
> free to update the wiki page with the information you found useful so
> that others may benefit as well.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jared Norris
>
>
> --
> ubuntu-au mailing list
> ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
>
>

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Re: Australian Digital Education Revolutionbeing a BIG blow for Linux.

2010-06-08 Thread ha...@ipunix.com 
Jared,

Thanks for making some input; today we actually have got a Next "G" Device 
working with the help of a clever Virgin Mobile employee. The point that I 
tried to make is that we have NetWork Manager, wvdial and the GUI for 
gnome-ppp.
None of them work for getting a Next "G" Device just simply to work as it 
does for say a WiFi connection. We always have to search for information 
and use the Terminal to make it work. What I am looking for is to have 
NetWork Manager just simply do the job so that non computer wizards can 
move away from Microsoft and embrace the freedom that can be found with 
Linux.

Another device that is still a problem is the scanner function in 
Multi-Function Printers. I would say that when both items are working 
without any hassles we will see a strong move towards Linux by users of 
laptops.

Any clever Linux person passing through Strathpine please call in for a 
cuppa of Java.

In case of anyone that tried to phone me, my appologies there was a typo in 
my number.

Cheers,

Harry Degenaar
0401231068
ha...@ipunix.com
www.ipunix.com



From: "Jared Norris" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 3:55 PM
To: ha...@ipunix.com
Subject: Re: Australian Digital Education Revolutionbeing a BIG blow for  
Linux.

On 8 June 2010 15:29, ha...@ipunix.com  wrote:
> I am coming back to this topic; I would like to know if any of you have
> experience in getting a Next "G" wireless broadband modem(s) to work on
> Ubuntu. I have tried the network manager in Ubuntu, wvdial and the gui
> gnome-ppp, etc..but nothing works.
>
> As the above is still a well recognized problem and since I want to 
promote
> Linux acceptance for laptop users (schools and in general) can someone
> living near the Strathpine, Pine Rivers area help out in this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Harry Degenaar
> 0401241068
> ha...@ipunix.com
> www.ipunix.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> ubuntu-au mailing list
> ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
>
>

Harry,

I'm not sure exactly which NextG device you are referring to but as a
team we have set up a wiki that may be of assistance to you. If you
have a look at 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/WirelessBroadbandInformation

you will see a list of wireless broadband devices that are available
in Australia on different networks and if there were any special
requirements to get them working within Ubuntu. While it may not
exactly solve your issue it might at least start to point you in the
right direction. If it doesn't solve your issue but helps please feel
free to update the wiki page with the information you found useful so
that others may benefit as well.

Regards,

Jared Norris

 
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Re: Australian Digital Education Revolutionbeing a BIG blow for Linux.

2010-06-07 Thread Jared Norris 
On 8 June 2010 15:29, ha...@ipunix.com  wrote:
> I am coming back to this topic; I would like to know if any of you have
> experience in getting a Next "G" wireless broadband modem(s) to work on
> Ubuntu. I have tried the network manager in Ubuntu, wvdial and the gui
> gnome-ppp, etc..but nothing works.
>
> As the above is still a well recognized problem and since I want to promote
> Linux acceptance for laptop users (schools and in general) can someone
> living near the Strathpine, Pine Rivers area help out in this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Harry Degenaar
> 0401241068
> ha...@ipunix.com
> www.ipunix.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> ubuntu-au mailing list
> ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
>
>

Harry,

I'm not sure exactly which NextG device you are referring to but as a
team we have set up a wiki that may be of assistance to you. If you
have a look at 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/WirelessBroadbandInformation
you will see a list of wireless broadband devices that are available
in Australia on different networks and if there were any special
requirements to get them working within Ubuntu. While it may not
exactly solve your issue it might at least start to point you in the
right direction. If it doesn't solve your issue but helps please feel
free to update the wiki page with the information you found useful so
that others may benefit as well.

Regards,

Jared Norris

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Re: Australian Digital Education Revolutionbeing a BIG blow for Linux.

2010-06-07 Thread ha...@ipunix.com 
I am coming back to this topic; I would like to know if any of
you have experience in getting a Next "G" wireless broadband modem(s) to
work on Ubuntu. I have tried the network manager in Ubuntu, wvdial and
the gui gnome-ppp, etc..but nothing works.

As the above is still a well recognized problem and since I want to
promote Linux acceptance for laptop users (schools and in general) can
someone living near the Strathpine, Pine Rivers area help out in this?

Thanks,

Harry Degenaar
0401241068
ha...@ipunix.com
www.ipunix.com

 
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Re: Australian Digital Education Revolutionbeing a BIG blow for Linux.

2010-05-26 Thread Andre Mangan 
... and in another (more enlightened) part of the world ...

http://www.ubuntu.com/products/casestudies/Andalusia-deploys-22-Ubuntu-desktops-in-schools-throughout-the-region

Andre






May 2010 17:31, Tom Sparks  wrote:

> --- On Wed, 26/5/10, Paul Shirren  wrote:
>
> > From: Paul Shirren 
> > Subject: Re: Australian Digital Education Revolutionbeing a BIG blow for
>  Linux.
> > To: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com
> > Received: Wednesday, 26 May, 2010, 4:39 PM
> > On 26/05/10 1:27 PM, Steven O'Reilly
> > wrote:
> > > I'm not sure where to begin trying to fix that!
> 
> > The kids who are really forgotten and need a big hand live
> > in remote
> > indigenous communities and OLPCs are going to some of them
> > - fully open
> > source stack where it counts and hopefully will be
> > appreciated.
> >
> > There is a lot people can do at a local level to engage
> > with the
> > community including schools and teachers and make a
> > difference. Everyone
> > loves TuxPaint, Inkscape, Audacity etc.
> >
> With all these cloud computer options (facebook, myspace, youtube, etc)
> dose everyone need that latests computer for internet / word processing? no
> unless your are video editor, 3D modeller, etc
>
> Most computers are under used or sit idle
>
> the Operating System is becoming irrelevant and Microsoft is losing its
> strong-hold
>
> tom
>
>
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Re: Australian Digital Education Revolutionbeing a BIG blow for Linux.

2010-05-26 Thread Tom Sparks 
--- On Wed, 26/5/10, Paul Shirren  wrote:

> From: Paul Shirren 
> Subject: Re: Australian Digital Education Revolutionbeing a BIG blow for  
> Linux.
> To: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com
> Received: Wednesday, 26 May, 2010, 4:39 PM
> On 26/05/10 1:27 PM, Steven O'Reilly
> wrote:
> > I'm not sure where to begin trying to fix that!

> The kids who are really forgotten and need a big hand live
> in remote
> indigenous communities and OLPCs are going to some of them
> - fully open
> source stack where it counts and hopefully will be
> appreciated.
> 
> There is a lot people can do at a local level to engage
> with the
> community including schools and teachers and make a
> difference. Everyone
> loves TuxPaint, Inkscape, Audacity etc.
>  
With all these cloud computer options (facebook, myspace, youtube, etc) dose 
everyone need that latests computer for internet / word processing? no unless 
your are video editor, 3D modeller, etc

Most computers are under used or sit idle

the Operating System is becoming irrelevant and Microsoft is losing its 
strong-hold

tom


  

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Re: Australian Digital Education Revolutionbeing a BIG blow for Linux.

2010-05-25 Thread Paul Shirren 
On 26/05/10 1:27 PM, Steven O'Reilly wrote:
> I'm not sure where to begin trying to fix that!

It is a bit beyond the realm of mere mortals. A few people have tried I
think. Money and politics.

The DER netbooks get all the headlines but they are not the whole story.
We are one of the richest countries in the world and I would be
surprised if most kids didn't already have access to a computer at home
along with a console or two and a selection of mobile phones. So its not
like the bad old days when all they saw from birth to graduation was
Microsoft PowerPoint.

The kids who are really forgotten and need a big hand live in remote
indigenous communities and OLPCs are going to some of them - fully open
source stack where it counts and hopefully will be appreciated.

There is a lot people can do at a local level to engage with the
community including schools and teachers and make a difference. Everyone
loves TuxPaint, Inkscape, Audacity etc.

These netbooks will all be in landfill in 3 years. All the spoilt kids
are going to be a lot more interested in their Android phones, iPads, HP
WebOS Slates and ChromeOS devices than running Photoshop on an old
spyware laden machine with the grunt of a PentiumIII and probably half
an hour of battery life by then. The future is not all rosy if nobody is
able to challenge Apple but a few more years and Microsoft Windows will
not be a serious player anymore if current trends hold.

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Re: Australian Digital Education Revolutionbeing a BIG blow for Linux.

2010-05-25 Thread Steven O'Reilly 
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Tom Sparks 
wrote:

>
 How old are there IT experts and what computer traing have
they got?


The IT experts could even be IT procurement or contract managers. Usually no
effort is made to research or understand the wide range of issues, to
develop requirements or even provide set of criteria for assessing the
potential hardware/software candidates.  I assume a rather simplistic and
easily manipulated costs/benefits analysis was used if anything.

I think the technical and financial aspects are not relevant, the government
decision makers have little understanding of either.  They will remember
that a well oiled corporate marketing machine arranged demonstrations,
conferences and other activities with great food and engaging and convincing
sales staff. It is even possible (or likely) that some of the government IT
procurement staff may end up working for these corporations later in their
career (and subconsciously act with that in mind).

I'm not sure where to begin trying to fix that!

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Re: Australian Digital Education Revolutionbeing a BIG blow for Linux.

2010-05-25 Thread Tom Sparks 
> 
> >True enough, however, the netbook rollout program is
> last year's news.  >Launched in NSW by Julia Gillard in
> August 2009.
> 
> >Linux was considered.
> 
> > The planning that preceded the implementation claimed
> that the 
> > support costs for running Linux were too high
> 
 where did that report come from? 
 Microsofts questionable self funded reports 
 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Windows_and_Linux#Total_cost_of_ownership
or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studies_related_to_Microsoft)
> 
> > and that support for Microsoft was already
> established.
> 
only because windows is on every shop bought system
> 
> >  The NSW Government (then Nathan Rees) listened to
> "its IT experts" and > made a
> > business agreement with MS to provide the software.
 How old are there IT experts and what computer traing have
they got?
> 
> >Andre
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Re: Australian Digital Education Revolutionbeing a BIG blow for Linux.

2010-05-25 Thread Andre Mangan 
True enough, however, the netbook rollout program is last year's news.
Launched in NSW by Julia Gillard in August 2009.

Linux was considered.

The planning that preceded the implementation claimed that the support costs
for running Linux were too high and that support for Microsoft was already
established.  The NSW Government (then Nathan Rees) listened to "its IT
experts" and made a business agreement with MS to provide the software.

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Re: Australian Digital Education Revolutionbeing a BIG blow for Linux.

2010-05-25 Thread Paul Schulz 
Greetings,

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Ubuntu Lists  wrote:
> On Tue, 25 May 2010 05:25:31 -0700 (PDT)
> bwright  wrote:
>
>> I believe that you are not allowed to change the operating system in
>> the contract with the DET until you leave school. I go to a public
>
> ...
>
>> kids get a bag full of DRM in a box and if they try disable it they
>> get punished by the school system. So it is a huge blow not having
>
> if you mean the punishment is the netbook/lappy is disabled I don't
> really see how that is punishment. it is not yours 'til you leave so
> what's your problem? are you forced to supply personal or even
> incriminating details? do they beat you with an iron bar?
>
>
> A LoCo has no capacity to interact with governing or authoritative
> bodies because it cannot make statements or representations on
> behalf of Canonical.

While this is true.. Ubuntu-AU can take an active role in poking Linux Australia
who can make statements on behalf of a whole bunch of Linux users and developers
in Australia.

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Re: Australian Digital Education Revolutionbeing a BIG blow for Linux.

2010-05-25 Thread Tom Sparks 


--- On Wed, 26/5/10, Paul Shirren  wrote:

From: Paul Shirren 
Subject: Re: Australian Digital Education Revolutionbeing a BIG blow for Linux.
To: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com
Received: Wednesday, 26 May, 2010, 8:41 AM

On 25/05/10 9:05 AM, ha...@ipunix.com wrote:
> All this points out that we the Linux (Ubuntu) users must be active not
> only within our own group(s) but engage direct with the community in
> general, visit schools, educate hardware vendors and lobby with the
> Australian Federal and State Governments.

BTW the opposition will cancel the DER if elected.

and these are the same idoits who have no clue, and are in microsoft bed
no wonder johny cant write programs [1] and just consum mas media


[1] http://www.salon.com/technology/feature/2006/09/14/basic

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Re: Re: Australian Digital Education Revolutionbeing a BIG blow for Linux.

2010-05-25 Thread Chuck 




Long time
lurker first time poster (how cliché)

As the father of a young inquisitive and rebellious tacker with one in
NSW ,  I agree with the "opportunity" part of the debate.

It's annoying reading about the penalties outlined in the user
agreement  for "improving" the netbooks, but they will still be useful
when the contract between the education department and the students are
complete. 

If one is determined, I can't see why you wouldn't wubi or VM a linux
distro just for the educational aspects of the exercise :-) ymmv

Chuck
 

On -9/01/37 05:59, Senectus . wrote:

  
  On 25 May 2010 07:35, ha...@ipunix.com
   wrote:
  
Ubuntu-AU'ers I see a lot of time being spent on the Australian Ubuntu
LoCo structure and now the wiki.

But what is happening around us and in particular in my area
(Strathpine Queensland). I now see year nine through 12 student running
around with mini notebooks (also called netbook) supplied through their
school under the Australian Federal Government's Digital Education
Revolution (DER) program. From my early findings it looks like that
notebooks will be distributed to eventually every year nine through 12
student. They are all to receive a mini notebook with windows 7
installed by the completion of the rollout in 2012.

This is a big blow to the Linux community as for example 267,000
Windows 7 based netbooks that the NSW Government alone has started
rolling out to high schools will come pre-installed with open source
software. From information gathered they were certainly looking
seriously at Linux platforms, but vendors didn't provide the answers or
comfort they were looking for.

I think part of the problem with the Linux tenders would have been that
they were represented by hardware vendors pushing Linux to increase
their profit on the units, rather than pushing Linux because they
believed in it or had the right answers. If they had gone with a Linux
based system they could have saved the country (tax payers) close to a
$1 billion in licensing fees.

All this points out that we the Linux (Ubuntu) users must be active not
only within our own group(s) but engage direct with the community in
general, visit schools, educate hardware vendors and lobby with the
Australian Federal and State Governments.

Cheers,

Harry Degenaar
ha...@ipunix.com



  
  
It's also a huge opportunity.. 
  All those new machines going out to students that are naturally
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Re: Australian Digital Education Revolutionbeing a BIG blow for Linux.

2010-05-25 Thread Paul Shirren 
On 25/05/10 9:05 AM, ha...@ipunix.com wrote:
> All this points out that we the Linux (Ubuntu) users must be active not
> only within our own group(s) but engage direct with the community in
> general, visit schools, educate hardware vendors and lobby with the
> Australian Federal and State Governments.

One alternative is for families eligible for FTB Part A (or independent
students) to claim the Education Tax Refund towards a netbook/notebook
running Ubuntu and take it to school instead of or alongside their DER
funded netbook. Can claim up to $750 refund for $1500 spend for a
secondary student or $375 for $750 spend for primary. Best to see your
accountant for more info.

http://www.ato.gov.au/individuals/content.asp?doc=/content/00166469.htm&page=1

I think the problem with most of the DER based schemes is not their
choice of Windows7/Netbooks but that they do not recognise that personal
computing can and should involve personal choices. They have been used
to extend the jurisdiction of school mandatory filtering and software
management into homes.

Would anyone here be willing to assist an education department prepare
an Ubuntu netbook with remote kill, locked down applications, mandatory
internet filtering and other unknown privacy infringements and
restrictions. I wouldn't. It wouldn't be in the spirit of free software
and would offer few real advantages over Windows. But that is the sort
of environment being shipped. So is the problem the choice of Windows or
the lack of choice for students?

BTW the opposition will cancel the DER if elected.

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Re: Australian Digital Education Revolutionbeing a BIG blow for Linux.

2010-05-25 Thread Senectus . 
Sounds like a dual boot challenge :-)

On 5/26/10, Troy Scott  wrote:
> The netbooks issued to students in NSW are the same. Installation of
> additional software is prohibited. Access to the BIOS is locked
> preventing loading of bootable devices, and the NSW police have the
> ability to track and disable the unit.
>
>
>
> On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 02:31 +1000, David Fawcett wrote:
>> Have you got anything to back that up B?
>>
>> On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:25 PM, bwright 
>> wrote:
>> I believe that you are not allowed to change the operating
>> system in
>> the contract with the DET until you leave school. I go to a
>> public
>> school ( I am a senior student ) and I don't think you are
>> allowed to
>> actually install another system. The system is also loaded
>> with
>> goodies like programs that act like trojans allowing the DET
>> to
>> remotely disable your computer ( pretty much a root kit ) and
>> all
>> manner of other things constantly pinging to random proxies.
>> So the
>> kids get a bag full of DRM in a box and if they try disable it
>> they
>> get punished by the school system. So it is a huge blow not
>> having
>> linux on it.
>>
>> On May 25, 11:56 am, "Senectus ."  wrote:
>>
>> > On 25 May 2010 07:35, ha...@ipunix.com 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > Ubuntu-AU'ers I see a lot of time being spent on the
>> Australian Ubuntu LoCo
>> > > structure and now the wiki.
>> >
>> > > But what is happening around us and in particular in my
>> area (Strathpine
>> > > Queensland). I now see year nine through 12 student
>> running around with mini
>> > > notebooks (also called netbook) supplied through their
>> school under the
>> > > Australian Federal Government's Digital Education
>> Revolution (DER) program.
>> > > From my early findings it looks like that notebooks will
>> be distributed to
>> > > eventually every year nine through 12 student. They are
>> all to receive a
>> > > mini notebook with windows 7 installed by the completion
>> of the rollout in
>> > > 2012.
>> >
>> > > This is a big blow to the Linux community as for example
>> 267,000 Windows 7
>> > > based netbooks that the NSW Government alone has started
>> rolling out to high
>> > > schools will come pre-installed with open source software.
>> From information
>> > > gathered they were certainly looking seriously at Linux
>> platforms, but
>> > > vendors didn't provide the answers or comfort they were
>> looking for.
>> >
>> > > I think part of the problem with the Linux tenders would
>> have been that
>> > > they were represented by hardware vendors pushing Linux to
>> increase their
>> > > profit on the units, rather than pushing Linux because
>> they believed in it
>> > > or had the right answers. If they had gone with a Linux
>> based system they
>> > > could have saved the country (tax payers) close to a $1
>> billion in licensing
>> > > fees.
>> >
>> > > All this points out that we the Linux (Ubuntu) users must
>> be active not
>> > > only within our own group(s) but engage direct with the
>> community in
>> > > general, visit schools, educate hardware vendors and lobby
>> with the
>> > > Australian Federal and State Governments.
>> >
>> > > Cheers,
>> >
>> > > Harry Degenaar
>>
>> > > ha...@ipunix.com
>> >
>> > It's also a huge opportunity..
>> > All those new machines going out to students that are
>> naturally rebellious
>> > and inquisitive.
>> >
>> > Time to really amp up a "Linux install Day" again...
>> >
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>> >
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Re: Australian Digital Education Revolutionbeing a BIG blow for Linux.

2010-05-25 Thread Troy Scott 
The netbooks issued to students in NSW are the same. Installation of
additional software is prohibited. Access to the BIOS is locked
preventing loading of bootable devices, and the NSW police have the
ability to track and disable the unit. 



On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 02:31 +1000, David Fawcett wrote:
> Have you got anything to back that up B?
> 
> On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:25 PM, bwright 
> wrote:
> I believe that you are not allowed to change the operating
> system in
> the contract with the DET until you leave school. I go to a
> public
> school ( I am a senior student ) and I don't think you are
> allowed to
> actually install another system. The system is also loaded
> with
> goodies like programs that act like trojans allowing the DET
> to
> remotely disable your computer ( pretty much a root kit ) and
> all
> manner of other things constantly pinging to random proxies.
> So the
> kids get a bag full of DRM in a box and if they try disable it
> they
> get punished by the school system. So it is a huge blow not
> having
> linux on it.
> 
> On May 25, 11:56 am, "Senectus ."  wrote:
> 
> > On 25 May 2010 07:35, ha...@ipunix.com 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Ubuntu-AU'ers I see a lot of time being spent on the
> Australian Ubuntu LoCo
> > > structure and now the wiki.
> >
> > > But what is happening around us and in particular in my
> area (Strathpine
> > > Queensland). I now see year nine through 12 student
> running around with mini
> > > notebooks (also called netbook) supplied through their
> school under the
> > > Australian Federal Government's Digital Education
> Revolution (DER) program.
> > > From my early findings it looks like that notebooks will
> be distributed to
> > > eventually every year nine through 12 student. They are
> all to receive a
> > > mini notebook with windows 7 installed by the completion
> of the rollout in
> > > 2012.
> >
> > > This is a big blow to the Linux community as for example
> 267,000 Windows 7
> > > based netbooks that the NSW Government alone has started
> rolling out to high
> > > schools will come pre-installed with open source software.
> From information
> > > gathered they were certainly looking seriously at Linux
> platforms, but
> > > vendors didn't provide the answers or comfort they were
> looking for.
> >
> > > I think part of the problem with the Linux tenders would
> have been that
> > > they were represented by hardware vendors pushing Linux to
> increase their
> > > profit on the units, rather than pushing Linux because
> they believed in it
> > > or had the right answers. If they had gone with a Linux
> based system they
> > > could have saved the country (tax payers) close to a $1
> billion in licensing
> > > fees.
> >
> > > All this points out that we the Linux (Ubuntu) users must
> be active not
> > > only within our own group(s) but engage direct with the
> community in
> > > general, visit schools, educate hardware vendors and lobby
> with the
> > > Australian Federal and State Governments.
> >
> > > Cheers,
> >
> > > Harry Degenaar
> 
> > > ha...@ipunix.com
> >
> > It's also a huge opportunity..
> > All those new machines going out to students that are
> naturally rebellious
> > and inquisitive.
> >
> > Time to really amp up a "Linux install Day" again...
> >
> > --
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> >
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Re: Australian Digital Education Revolutionbeing a BIG blow for Linux.

2010-05-25 Thread IKT 
Anyone think Linux never stood a chance to begin with? Nonstandard
environment incompatible with office, I can see a lot of unhappy kids
telling everyone Linux sucks and newspaper headlines that the whole thing is
fail.

Being the cheaper option only goes so far, isn't there a blog called linux
in Munich detailing what would be a very similar situation to here simply
because Australia does not have the appropriate support channels set up.

On May 26, 2010 2:02 AM, "David Fawcett"  wrote:

Have you got anything to back that up B?

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:25 PM, bwright  wrote: > >
I believe that you are...

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Re: Australian Digital Education Revolutionbeing a BIG blow for Linux.

2010-05-25 Thread David Fawcett 
Have you got anything to back that up B?

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:25 PM, bwright  wrote:

> I believe that you are not allowed to change the operating system in
> the contract with the DET until you leave school. I go to a public
> school ( I am a senior student ) and I don't think you are allowed to
> actually install another system. The system is also loaded with
> goodies like programs that act like trojans allowing the DET to
> remotely disable your computer ( pretty much a root kit ) and all
> manner of other things constantly pinging to random proxies. So the
> kids get a bag full of DRM in a box and if they try disable it they
> get punished by the school system. So it is a huge blow not having
> linux on it.
>
> On May 25, 11:56 am, "Senectus ."  wrote:
> > On 25 May 2010 07:35, ha...@ipunix.com  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Ubuntu-AU'ers I see a lot of time being spent on the Australian Ubuntu
> LoCo
> > > structure and now the wiki.
> >
> > > But what is happening around us and in particular in my area
> (Strathpine
> > > Queensland). I now see year nine through 12 student running around with
> mini
> > > notebooks (also called netbook) supplied through their school under the
> > > Australian Federal Government's Digital Education Revolution (DER)
> program.
> > > From my early findings it looks like that notebooks will be distributed
> to
> > > eventually every year nine through 12 student. They are all to receive
> a
> > > mini notebook with windows 7 installed by the completion of the rollout
> in
> > > 2012.
> >
> > > This is a big blow to the Linux community as for example 267,000
> Windows 7
> > > based netbooks that the NSW Government alone has started rolling out to
> high
> > > schools will come pre-installed with open source software. From
> information
> > > gathered they were certainly looking seriously at Linux platforms, but
> > > vendors didn't provide the answers or comfort they were looking for.
> >
> > > I think part of the problem with the Linux tenders would have been that
> > > they were represented by hardware vendors pushing Linux to increase
> their
> > > profit on the units, rather than pushing Linux because they believed in
> it
> > > or had the right answers. If they had gone with a Linux based system
> they
> > > could have saved the country (tax payers) close to a $1 billion in
> licensing
> > > fees.
> >
> > > All this points out that we the Linux (Ubuntu) users must be active not
> > > only within our own group(s) but engage direct with the community in
> > > general, visit schools, educate hardware vendors and lobby with the
> > > Australian Federal and State Governments.
> >
> > > Cheers,
> >
> > > Harry Degenaar
> > > ha...@ipunix.com
> >
> > It's also a huge opportunity..
> > All those new machines going out to students that are naturally
> rebellious
> > and inquisitive.
> >
> > Time to really amp up a "Linux install Day" again...
> >
> > --
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Re: Australian Digital Education Revolutionbeing a BIG blow for Linux.

2010-05-25 Thread Ubuntu Lists 
On Tue, 25 May 2010 05:25:31 -0700 (PDT)
bwright  wrote:

> I believe that you are not allowed to change the operating system in
> the contract with the DET until you leave school. I go to a public

...

> kids get a bag full of DRM in a box and if they try disable it they
> get punished by the school system. So it is a huge blow not having

if you mean the punishment is the netbook/lappy is disabled I don't
really see how that is punishment. it is not yours 'til you leave so
what's your problem? are you forced to supply personal or even
incriminating details? do they beat you with an iron bar?


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Re: Australian Digital Education Revolutionbeing a BIG blow for Linux.

2010-05-25 Thread bwright 
I believe that you are not allowed to change the operating system in
the contract with the DET until you leave school. I go to a public
school ( I am a senior student ) and I don't think you are allowed to
actually install another system. The system is also loaded with
goodies like programs that act like trojans allowing the DET to
remotely disable your computer ( pretty much a root kit ) and all
manner of other things constantly pinging to random proxies. So the
kids get a bag full of DRM in a box and if they try disable it they
get punished by the school system. So it is a huge blow not having
linux on it.

On May 25, 11:56 am, "Senectus ."  wrote:
> On 25 May 2010 07:35, ha...@ipunix.com  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Ubuntu-AU'ers I see a lot of time being spent on the Australian Ubuntu LoCo
> > structure and now the wiki.
>
> > But what is happening around us and in particular in my area (Strathpine
> > Queensland). I now see year nine through 12 student running around with mini
> > notebooks (also called netbook) supplied through their school under the
> > Australian Federal Government's Digital Education Revolution (DER) program.
> > From my early findings it looks like that notebooks will be distributed to
> > eventually every year nine through 12 student. They are all to receive a
> > mini notebook with windows 7 installed by the completion of the rollout in
> > 2012.
>
> > This is a big blow to the Linux community as for example 267,000 Windows 7
> > based netbooks that the NSW Government alone has started rolling out to high
> > schools will come pre-installed with open source software. From information
> > gathered they were certainly looking seriously at Linux platforms, but
> > vendors didn't provide the answers or comfort they were looking for.
>
> > I think part of the problem with the Linux tenders would have been that
> > they were represented by hardware vendors pushing Linux to increase their
> > profit on the units, rather than pushing Linux because they believed in it
> > or had the right answers. If they had gone with a Linux based system they
> > could have saved the country (tax payers) close to a $1 billion in licensing
> > fees.
>
> > All this points out that we the Linux (Ubuntu) users must be active not
> > only within our own group(s) but engage direct with the community in
> > general, visit schools, educate hardware vendors and lobby with the
> > Australian Federal and State Governments.
>
> > Cheers,
>
> > Harry Degenaar
> > ha...@ipunix.com
>
> It's also a huge opportunity..
> All those new machines going out to students that are naturally rebellious
> and inquisitive.
>
> Time to really amp up a "Linux install Day" again...
>
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Re: Australian Digital Education Revolutionbeing a BIG blow for Linux.

2010-05-24 Thread Senectus . 
On 25 May 2010 07:35, ha...@ipunix.com  wrote:

> Ubuntu-AU'ers I see a lot of time being spent on the Australian Ubuntu LoCo
> structure and now the wiki.
>
> But what is happening around us and in particular in my area (Strathpine
> Queensland). I now see year nine through 12 student running around with mini
> notebooks (also called netbook) supplied through their school under the
> Australian Federal Government's Digital Education Revolution (DER) program.
> From my early findings it looks like that notebooks will be distributed to
> eventually every year nine through 12 student. They are all to receive a
> mini notebook with windows 7 installed by the completion of the rollout in
> 2012.
>
> This is a big blow to the Linux community as for example 267,000 Windows 7
> based netbooks that the NSW Government alone has started rolling out to high
> schools will come pre-installed with open source software. From information
> gathered they were certainly looking seriously at Linux platforms, but
> vendors didn't provide the answers or comfort they were looking for.
>
> I think part of the problem with the Linux tenders would have been that
> they were represented by hardware vendors pushing Linux to increase their
> profit on the units, rather than pushing Linux because they believed in it
> or had the right answers. If they had gone with a Linux based system they
> could have saved the country (tax payers) close to a $1 billion in licensing
> fees.
>
> All this points out that we the Linux (Ubuntu) users must be active not
> only within our own group(s) but engage direct with the community in
> general, visit schools, educate hardware vendors and lobby with the
> Australian Federal and State Governments.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Harry Degenaar
> ha...@ipunix.com
>
>
>
It's also a huge opportunity..
All those new machines going out to students that are naturally rebellious
and inquisitive.

Time to really amp up a "Linux install Day" again...


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Re: Australian Digital Education Revolutionbeing a BIG blow for Linux.

2010-05-24 Thread ha...@ipunix.com 






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Ubuntu-AU'ers I see a lot of time being spent on the Australian Ubuntu LoCo 
structure and now the wiki.

But what is happening around us and in particular in my area (Strathpine 
Queensland). I now see year nine through 12 student running around with mini 
notebooks (also called netbook) supplied through their school under the 
Australian Federal Government's Digital Education Revolution (DER) program. 
From my early findings it looks like that notebooks will be distributed to 
eventually every year nine through 12 student. They are all to receive a mini 
notebook with windows 7 installed by the completion of the rollout in 2012.

This is a big blow to the Linux community as for example 267,000 Windows 7 
based netbooks that the NSW Government alone has started rolling out to high 
schools will come pre-installed with open source software. From information 
gathered they were certainly looking seriously at Linux platforms, but vendors 
didn't provide the answers or comfort they were looking for.

I think part of the problem with the Linux tenders would have been that they 
were represented by hardware vendors pushing Linux to increase their profit on 
the units, rather than pushing Linux because they believed in it or had the 
right answers. If they had gone with a Linux based system they could have saved 
the country (tax payers) close to a $1 billion in licensing fees.

All this points out that we the Linux (Ubuntu) users must be active not only 
within our own group(s) but engage direct with the community in general, visit 
schools, educate hardware vendors and lobby with the Australian Federal and 
State Governments.

Cheers,

Harry Degenaar
ha...@ipunix.com


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