Re: charter/policies
After discussion in today's backports team meeting, all content has been removed from the charter page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports/Charter and the policies page has been updated: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports/Policies Please review the updated policies page, as I'd like to call a vote to approve it as our official team rules/policies at the next team meeting, on Dec 21. Thanks! On Fri, Oct 28, 2022 at 10:26 AM Dan Streetman wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 5, 2022 at 10:31 AM Mattia Rizzolo wrote: > > > > Hello hello, > > sorry for the delay! and thanks for the feedback :) > > > > > On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 11:26:17AM -0400, Dan Streetman wrote: > > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports/Charter > > > > I still find weird that this document doesn't include a provision that > > requires the TB to ACK any change to it, but I understand that they > > don't want it, so meh… > > > > The document states that the team chair will be "approved" (? should > > this be "appointed" instead?) with a process specified in the Policies > > page, but I can't seem to see a paragraph describing that. TBH, I would > > just list it in Charter §5.3 instead, just saying "The chair shall be > > elected with a majority vote within the current team members; the > > current chair has a casting vote" or something similarly simple. This > > is so to avoid another possibly useless cross-document reference. > > agreed; I updated the page with this change: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports/Charter?action=diff&rev1=13&rev2=14 > > as well as adding a small clarification for 'casting vote': > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports/Charter?action=diff&rev1=14&rev2=15 > > > > > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports/Policies > > > > Can we drop the possibility of people joining the team with just a IRC > > meeting agenda item? I really want a full email with link to LP > > profile, etc... else my mind really can't work on it. > > ack, updated with: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports/Policies?action=diff&rev1=12&rev2=13 > > let me know if you think we should add more detail to what needs to be > provided in the application email; or if we want a full application > wiki page (I think we probably don't need that?) > > > > > The voting doesn't seem to have any provision for a casting vote? (which > > "obviously" should be in the hands of the team chair (which… in case the > > meeting chair is a different person, the casting vote is still in hands > > of the team chair, hopefully it's obvious). > > To clarify, you mean the chair should have only a casting vote? Not > both a normal and casting vote, right? And to be sure I understand - > by 'casting vote' you mean a vote used only to break a tie. > > If it's a choice between only a normal or only a casting vote, I think > I'd prefer the chair have just a normal vote (which could speed up > voting in the case of missing members), but I'm ok with a casting vote > instead. > > If you mean having an additional casting vote (in addition to the > chair's normal vote), I would probably lean towards just letting tie > votes fail, but if you think it would be better to allow an > (additional) casting vote for ties, I'm ok with that. > > > > > > > > > These details are the only points I have to make on the two documents. > > > > Thank you for working on them, and sorry it took me forever to read > > through them -.- > > > > -- > > regards, > > Mattia Rizzolo > > > > GPG Key: 66AE 2B4A FCCF 3F52 DA18 4D18 4B04 3FCD B944 4540 .''`. > > More about me: https://mapreri.org : :' : > > Launchpad user: https://launchpad.net/~mapreri `. `'` > > Debian QA page: https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=mattia `- > > -- > > ubuntu-backports mailing list > > ubuntu-backports@lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-backports -- ubuntu-backports mailing list ubuntu-backports@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-backports
Re: charter/policies
On Wed, Oct 5, 2022 at 10:31 AM Mattia Rizzolo wrote: > > Hello hello, sorry for the delay! and thanks for the feedback :) > > On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 11:26:17AM -0400, Dan Streetman wrote: > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports/Charter > > I still find weird that this document doesn't include a provision that > requires the TB to ACK any change to it, but I understand that they > don't want it, so meh… > > The document states that the team chair will be "approved" (? should > this be "appointed" instead?) with a process specified in the Policies > page, but I can't seem to see a paragraph describing that. TBH, I would > just list it in Charter §5.3 instead, just saying "The chair shall be > elected with a majority vote within the current team members; the > current chair has a casting vote" or something similarly simple. This > is so to avoid another possibly useless cross-document reference. agreed; I updated the page with this change: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports/Charter?action=diff&rev1=13&rev2=14 as well as adding a small clarification for 'casting vote': https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports/Charter?action=diff&rev1=14&rev2=15 > > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports/Policies > > Can we drop the possibility of people joining the team with just a IRC > meeting agenda item? I really want a full email with link to LP > profile, etc... else my mind really can't work on it. ack, updated with: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports/Policies?action=diff&rev1=12&rev2=13 let me know if you think we should add more detail to what needs to be provided in the application email; or if we want a full application wiki page (I think we probably don't need that?) > > The voting doesn't seem to have any provision for a casting vote? (which > "obviously" should be in the hands of the team chair (which… in case the > meeting chair is a different person, the casting vote is still in hands > of the team chair, hopefully it's obvious). To clarify, you mean the chair should have only a casting vote? Not both a normal and casting vote, right? And to be sure I understand - by 'casting vote' you mean a vote used only to break a tie. If it's a choice between only a normal or only a casting vote, I think I'd prefer the chair have just a normal vote (which could speed up voting in the case of missing members), but I'm ok with a casting vote instead. If you mean having an additional casting vote (in addition to the chair's normal vote), I would probably lean towards just letting tie votes fail, but if you think it would be better to allow an (additional) casting vote for ties, I'm ok with that. > > > > These details are the only points I have to make on the two documents. > > Thank you for working on them, and sorry it took me forever to read > through them -.- > > -- > regards, > Mattia Rizzolo > > GPG Key: 66AE 2B4A FCCF 3F52 DA18 4D18 4B04 3FCD B944 4540 .''`. > More about me: https://mapreri.org : :' : > Launchpad user: https://launchpad.net/~mapreri `. `'` > Debian QA page: https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=mattia `- > -- > ubuntu-backports mailing list > ubuntu-backports@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-backports -- ubuntu-backports mailing list ubuntu-backports@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-backports
Re: charter/policies
Hello hello, On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 11:26:17AM -0400, Dan Streetman wrote: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports/Charter I still find weird that this document doesn't include a provision that requires the TB to ACK any change to it, but I understand that they don't want it, so meh… The document states that the team chair will be "approved" (? should this be "appointed" instead?) with a process specified in the Policies page, but I can't seem to see a paragraph describing that. TBH, I would just list it in Charter §5.3 instead, just saying "The chair shall be elected with a majority vote within the current team members; the current chair has a casting vote" or something similarly simple. This is so to avoid another possibly useless cross-document reference. > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports/Policies Can we drop the possibility of people joining the team with just a IRC meeting agenda item? I really want a full email with link to LP profile, etc... else my mind really can't work on it. The voting doesn't seem to have any provision for a casting vote? (which "obviously" should be in the hands of the team chair (which… in case the meeting chair is a different person, the casting vote is still in hands of the team chair, hopefully it's obvious). These details are the only points I have to make on the two documents. Thank you for working on them, and sorry it took me forever to read through them -.- -- regards, Mattia Rizzolo GPG Key: 66AE 2B4A FCCF 3F52 DA18 4D18 4B04 3FCD B944 4540 .''`. More about me: https://mapreri.org : :' : Launchpad user: https://launchpad.net/~mapreri `. `'` Debian QA page: https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=mattia `- signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- ubuntu-backports mailing list ubuntu-backports@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-backports
Re: charter/policies
As a reminder, please review the charter and policies pages; I would like to call a vote at next week's meeting to approve both of these, or at least gather all comments or needed changes. I feel it's important to get this done. Thanks. On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 11:26 AM Dan Streetman wrote: > > I have the charter and policies pages updated with draft wording as we > discussed in previous meetings. Please give it a review and we can > discuss in next week's team meeting. > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports/Charter > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports/Policies > > Thanks! -- ubuntu-backports mailing list ubuntu-backports@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-backports
charter/policies
I have the charter and policies pages updated with draft wording as we discussed in previous meetings. Please give it a review and we can discuss in next week's team meeting. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports/Charter https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports/Policies Thanks! -- ubuntu-backports mailing list ubuntu-backports@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-backports
