Re: [ Ubuntu-BD ] Fedora 9 Gives Ubuntu a Run For Its Money
How could you know? First install both Fedora 9 and Ubuntu 8.04 try to use theme side by side for few days ... and if possible try Mint 5 beta and opensolaris 2008.5 as well... then talk. I see you are Fedora Ambassador for Bangladesh meaning whatever I say you'll hear blah blah blah. Still, for others I am sharing a piece of information. Fedora Project is a Open Source project of famous RED HAT. Officially Fedora is the open source (of RED HAT) movement but in real it is the crash test dummy of RED HAT. Whatever gets stable and widely accepted by the users goes into Red Hat Enterprise Linux with fully non-free support. Yes Fedora will always give you the taste of latest technology, as it includes all latest, unstable and test versions together. Check out this feature-list http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/FeatureList ... aren't all the features look shiny comparing to any other OS? Of course yes. I am not biased to any Linux. I am more a fan of Linux Mint than Ubuntu ... as it comes with all the features that a free OS can offer (with non-free stuff). I personally promote Linux as an OS not any specific distro. Having thousands of distributions it became a matter of choice for the users. They must use whatever they like. Now if you make a novice user to use a distro which has all latest stuff, but is unstable in many ways. Do you expect the user to be happy? [Fedora lovers would say: WHY NOT!, Debian lovers would say: WTF! ] I have tried many distros (that inlcudes Red Hat 6, 7, 9, Fedora 2, 3 , 4, 5, 6, 7, 8) and trust me, Ubuntu felt most comfortable (well actually Mint 4.0, but it is entirely Ubuntu). On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 2:18 AM, Angel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try to take everything positively. It's a news about, what people think about Fedora and Ubuntu. That's the reason to post it here. Nobody is arguing here. *P.S. 5 hours ago, F9 released, I guess, you didnt install it yet, when you was reading that article. So how could you know, nothing is new? First install it, then talk.* On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 2:02 AM, raihan hasnain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for sharing such a nice article. It was so informative that I just formatted my Mac OS X 10.5.2 and installing Fedora 9 over it. The article was so manipulating! By the way this is the comment I have posted on that blog ... You gotta be kidding me! Why Ubuntu has to run for money? It is a free product :| All the features Fedora 9 included are already exist in other distros, so I couldn't find anything new. (I am using Ubuntu in flash drive for months). Can you explain why exactly Ubuntu has to run for money? The title seems interesting but totally lacks any sort of explanation. Canonical LTD. is dedicated to promote free software and is the official sponsor of Ubuntu. It is funded by Mark Shuttleworth, who is not a poor guy at all. Being a really nice distribution and having a HUGE community, I don't see any point of running out of money. May be you have some important points that I (we) don't know. Waiting for the reply. * P.S. I didn't see a single point arguing that this or that is the reason that is why Ubuntu is the competitor of Fedora (which is the opposite in real), therefore may I know the reason of mailing this worthless article's link in a Ubuntu mailing list? Fedora 9 is released just few hours ago, and already people are claiming that **Fedora 9 Gives Ubuntu a Run For Its Money. Pathetic!* On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 11:34 PM, Angel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2008/05/fedora-9-gives.html Digg It: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Fedora_9_Gives_Ubuntu_a_Run_For_Its_Money Fedora 9 is a significant upgrade and packs in a number of new features. Perhaps the best part of Fedora 9 is the new live USB options. After playing with the release candidate for a week or so I am happy to report that Fedora 9 has made some significant strides and gives Ubuntu a serious run for its money when it comes ot user-friendliness. -- Angel GPG key: 0xC4639705 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AshiqurRahman -- ubuntu-bd mailing list ubuntu-bd@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bd -- ubuntu-bd mailing list ubuntu-bd@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bd -- Angel GPG key: 0xC4639705 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AshiqurRahman -- ubuntu-bd mailing list ubuntu-bd@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bd -- ubuntu-bd mailing list ubuntu-bd@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bd
Re: [ Ubuntu-BD ] Fedora 9 Gives Ubuntu a Run For Its Money
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/FeatureList Hi, Please check the date of the last edited time of the wiki page. Releases/9/FeatureList (last edited 2008-04-21 02:13:14 by JohnPoelstrahttp://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JohnPoelstra) . It was after releasing the preview release. A while ago Fedora released, we could not change the whole website yet. You don't even know about the differences between Fedora and Red Hat. You are talking about our Myths[1]. [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraMyths On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 3:08 AM, raihan hasnain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How could you know? First install both Fedora 9 and Ubuntu 8.04 try to use theme side by side for few days ... and if possible try Mint 5 beta and opensolaris 2008.5 as well... then talk. I see you are Fedora Ambassador for Bangladesh meaning whatever I say you'll hear blah blah blah. Still, for others I am sharing a piece of information. Fedora Project is a Open Source project of famous RED HAT. Officially Fedora is the open source (of RED HAT) movement but in real it is the crash test dummy of RED HAT. Whatever gets stable and widely accepted by the users goes into Red Hat Enterprise Linux with fully non-free support. Yes Fedora will always give you the taste of latest technology, as it includes all latest, unstable and test versions together. Check out this feature-list http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/FeatureList ... aren't all the features look shiny comparing to any other OS? Of course yes. I am not biased to any Linux. I am more a fan of Linux Mint than Ubuntu ... as it comes with all the features that a free OS can offer (with non-free stuff). I personally promote Linux as an OS not any specific distro. Having thousands of distributions it became a matter of choice for the users. They must use whatever they like. Now if you make a novice user to use a distro which has all latest stuff, but is unstable in many ways. Do you expect the user to be happy? [Fedora lovers would say: WHY NOT!, Debian lovers would say: WTF! ] I have tried many distros (that inlcudes Red Hat 6, 7, 9, Fedora 2, 3 , 4, 5, 6, 7, 8) and trust me, Ubuntu felt most comfortable (well actually Mint 4.0, but it is entirely Ubuntu). On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 2:18 AM, Angel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try to take everything positively. It's a news about, what people think about Fedora and Ubuntu. That's the reason to post it here. Nobody is arguing here. *P.S. 5 hours ago, F9 released, I guess, you didnt install it yet, when you was reading that article. So how could you know, nothing is new? First install it, then talk.* On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 2:02 AM, raihan hasnain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for sharing such a nice article. It was so informative that I just formatted my Mac OS X 10.5.2 and installing Fedora 9 over it. The article was so manipulating! By the way this is the comment I have posted on that blog ... You gotta be kidding me! Why Ubuntu has to run for money? It is a free product :| All the features Fedora 9 included are already exist in other distros, so I couldn't find anything new. (I am using Ubuntu in flash drive for months). Can you explain why exactly Ubuntu has to run for money? The title seems interesting but totally lacks any sort of explanation. Canonical LTD. is dedicated to promote free software and is the official sponsor of Ubuntu. It is funded by Mark Shuttleworth, who is not a poor guy at all. Being a really nice distribution and having a HUGE community, I don't see any point of running out of money. May be you have some important points that I (we) don't know. Waiting for the reply. * P.S. I didn't see a single point arguing that this or that is the reason that is why Ubuntu is the competitor of Fedora (which is the opposite in real), therefore may I know the reason of mailing this worthless article's link in a Ubuntu mailing list? Fedora 9 is released just few hours ago, and already people are claiming that **Fedora 9 Gives Ubuntu a Run For Its Money. Pathetic!* On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 11:34 PM, Angel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2008/05/fedora-9-gives.html Digg It: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Fedora_9_Gives_Ubuntu_a_Run_For_Its_Money Fedora 9 is a significant upgrade and packs in a number of new features. Perhaps the best part of Fedora 9 is the new live USB options. After playing with the release candidate for a week or so I am happy to report that Fedora 9 has made some significant strides and gives Ubuntu a serious run for its money when it comes ot user-friendliness. -- Angel GPG key: 0xC4639705 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AshiqurRahman -- ubuntu-bd mailing list
Re: [ Ubuntu-BD ] Fedora 9 Gives Ubuntu a Run For Its Money
Fedora is a nice distro which is actually a minefield for RedHat. I salute RedHat for their contribution to the open source community, all the technologies they have invented and implemented like SELinux, paravirtualization tools etc. But Fedora is not for Joe user. It is kind of geeky distribution to test new technologies. I can give numerous examples of user-unfriendliness of Fedora. Let me give a few. First of all, you need to add unsupported extra repositories like livna, freshrpms, rpmfusion etc. to install packages and which is not as user-friendly as Synaptic. In Synaptic there is a GUI to add extra repos easily. There is no simple way to add CD/DVD repositories into thee package manager yum, which in Debian, Ubuntu is as simple as inserting the CD/DVD. If the CD is not automatically added, you can easily add it by running apt-cdrom add or use Synaptic. In Debian/Ubuntu there is a super-duper tool to install manually compiled software into the package manager, it is called checkinstall. I can go on like this. Although Fedora or other distros are inventing new things and Ubuntu is doing just package management. I will use Ubuntu. APT is so good that I use it on my Mac too. I install all the linux software via fink which uses APT. Nasim -- M. Nasimul Haque, M.Sc.(SUST) Wessex Institute of Technology Southampton, UK -- ubuntu-bd mailing list ubuntu-bd@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bd
Re: [ Ubuntu-BD ] Fedora 9 Gives Ubuntu a Run For Its Money
Dear Friends, I have joined in this mailing list with the hope that - 1. I am a Novice Linux user so I'll get support from my local community. 2. Though support is available in the International forum but here I'll be able to express easily in my own language. 3. I'll be able to meet like minded people physically as we are in the same country 4. I'll get to know about any software developed in open source in my language 5. I'll be able to help other beginners with my little knowledge 6. As so many distro available I'll get to know the good and bad side of them and find suitable one for me. 7. Get to know the technical side of Linux OS. Unfortunately the mails I'm receiving is not very encouraging. Guys it's not a debate club. Plz share the knowledge and keep your superiority coimplex for somewhere else. Thanx. On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 4:16 AM, raihan hasnain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No you forgot it was a Ubuntu-BD mailing list. There is a mailing list for all general distros where everyone can post about any distro. If your mail had something to do with Ubuntu, that was absolutely fine. Instead, you are bluntly speaking against Ubuntu to promote Fedora as better distro. If you had strong arguments for it, that would have helped us as well. I already have said. I have no problems with Fedora. Do not get me wrong. Again, you have not replied it yet. Why have you mailed the worthless article's link in the first place? Which did not have any point justifying the articles title. * **Fedora 9 Gives Ubuntu a Run For Its Money*. Someone should have strong points, examples, information and references to prove this huge statement. I am planning to write a new article. Damn Small Linux gives Apple, Microsoft and SUN a run for its money. But hey, I already have two strong points ... DSL is small and free! On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 4:02 AM, Angel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes. I am sorry, it was my fault to sending such a mail to this list. I forget, here we all are Bangalis. Thank you all. :) On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 3:53 AM, Nasimul Haque [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fedora is a nice distro which is actually a minefield for RedHat. I salute RedHat for their contribution to the open source community, all the technologies they have invented and implemented like SELinux, paravirtualization tools etc. But Fedora is not for Joe user. It is kind of geeky distribution to test new technologies. I can give numerous examples of user-unfriendliness of Fedora. Let me give a few. First of all, you need to add unsupported extra repositories like livna, freshrpms, rpmfusion etc. to install packages and which is not as user-friendly as Synaptic. In Synaptic there is a GUI to add extra repos easily. There is no simple way to add CD/DVD repositories into thee package manager yum, which in Debian, Ubuntu is as simple as inserting the CD/DVD. If the CD is not automatically added, you can easily add it by running apt-cdrom add or use Synaptic. In Debian/Ubuntu there is a super-duper tool to install manually compiled software into the package manager, it is called checkinstall. I can go on like this. Although Fedora or other distros are inventing new things and Ubuntu is doing just package management. I will use Ubuntu. APT is so good that I use it on my Mac too. I install all the linux software via fink which uses APT. Nasim -- M. Nasimul Haque, M.Sc.(SUST) Wessex Institute of Technology Southampton, UK -- ubuntu-bd mailing list ubuntu-bd@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bd -- Angel GPG key: 0xC4639705 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AshiqurRahman -- ubuntu-bd mailing list ubuntu-bd@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bd -- ubuntu-bd mailing list ubuntu-bd@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bd -- ubuntu-bd mailing list ubuntu-bd@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bd
Re: [ Ubuntu-BD ] Fedora 9 Gives Ubuntu a Run For Its Money
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 4:02 AM, Angel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes. I am sorry, it was my fault to sending such a mail to this list. I forget, here we all are Bangalis. Thank you all. :) I really had respect for you untill now... what kind of nationalism and enthusiasm you show when you utter remarks like this??!!! I simply hate this kind of remarks. YOU ARE ALSO A BANGALI ANGEL AND YOU SHOULD REMEMBER THAT. Dont try to bypass something by saying stereotypes like Bangalis will never improve, Bangalis dont have any knowledge, Bangalis are always stupid, Its hard to work with Bangalis. We are the next generation, ITS OUR DUTY AND RESPONSIBILITY TO CHANGE IT! You and I should work to Change these stereotypes. You and I, both are from the same genaration. But it seems our working paterns are different. You tend to work in hot temper and make remarks that are destructive for both your image and your group If you think that some trends must be break through, some myths needed to be changed. Then work on it... change the myths. Encourage people to use Fedora. Counter point your oponents, instead of doing that you are waging war!! this way you are alianing yourself as well as Fedora. The more you make bad remarks the more people will say negetive about Fedora. This is harmfull for your purpose. On my note I have never used Fedora personally, so I dont have any idea regarding it. But I can say from my years of reading articles, many welknown reviewer/enthusiasts have put Fedora as a test baby for Red Hat Enterprise. And even on the release note it is evedent. on the FreeAPI you please read the last line and explain it to me since you ARE NON BENGALI and YOU UNDERSTAND ENGLISH WELL Anyway I hope you will be cautious in the future to make remarks.. I am looking forward -- Thanking you Shahriar -- ubuntu-bd mailing list ubuntu-bd@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bd
Re: [ Ubuntu-BD ] Fedora 9 Gives Ubuntu a Run For Its Money
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 4:57 AM, Masum Masum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Friends, I have joined in this mailing list with the hope that - 1. I am a Novice Linux user so I'll get support from my local community. 2. Though support is available in the International forum but here I'll be able to express easily in my own language. 3. I'll be able to meet like minded people physically as we are in the same country 4. I'll get to know about any software developed in open source in my language 5. I'll be able to help other beginners with my little knowledge 6. As so many distro available I'll get to know the good and bad side of them and find suitable one for me. 7. Get to know the technical side of Linux OS. Unfortunately the mails I'm receiving is not very encouraging. Guys it's not a debate club. Plz share the knowledge and keep your superiority coimplex for somewhere else. Thanx. I support Masum Vai. Enough is said here... lets save these debates for a debate competition. Or you may post your view in BLUA forum where thoughts are open as long as you are not personally hurting anyone's feelings or making outragious remarks about Bangalis or Bangladeshis.. Humm Special note to Russell vai, I have a great idea now :D. you were saying our BLUA group has been inactive lately why not arrange a debete competition?? it seems all the experts as well as the novices are eager to have their views and voices be heard... So lets arrange it ;p what you say?? -- Thanking you Shahriar -- ubuntu-bd mailing list ubuntu-bd@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bd
