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Re: Problem with updating

2012-02-12 Thread Petko


On 02/12/2012 02:40 AM, Jean-Baptiste Lallement wrote:

Hi Petko,

Current upgrade/installation issue on Precise amd64 is caused by 
webkit that fails to build on i386.


webkit 1.7.5 build successfully on amd64 but not on i386. 1.7.4 is 
available on i386.


Since common binary packages are built on i386 
(libwebkitgtk-3.0-common and libwebkitgtk-1.0-common in this case) and 
the latest version is not available, the result is a dependency break.


If you run a partial upgrade the resolver will attempt to upgrade the 
most important packages to the cost of removing the less important 
ones if necessary. In the case of webkit, it decides to remove 
gir1.2-webkit-3.0, and, as a consequence, software-center (depends on 
gir1.2-webkit-3.0) and ubuntu-desktop (depends on software-center)


You can install the newest version of all packages not depending on 
webkit by running a normal upgrade:
 - with update-manager: do not click on 'partial upgrade' and select 
'close' instead. update-manager will only select packages that can be 
safely upgraded.

 - or from the command line run:
$ sudo apt-get update  sudo apt-get -u upgrade


Regarding webkit, the only thing you can do is to wait until it is 
available from your local archive.



Thanks for the info , I'll wait it out , I guess it wouldn't be more 
than a few days .


Petko

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ppc on qemu

2012-02-12 Thread ∅

after installing every related package known to man qemu gives me the
following cpu options:

$ qemu -cpu ?
x86   [n270]
x86 [athlon]
x86   [pentium3]
x86   [pentium2]
x86[pentium]
x86[486]
x86[coreduo]
x86  [kvm32]
x86 [qemu32]
x86  [kvm64]
x86   [core2duo]
x86 [phenom]
x86 [qemu64]
x86   [host]

which seems inconsistent with idea that it can handle ppc (which i'd
like to figure out to allow others without ppc machines to do some testing).

i've managed to figure out there is qemu-system-ppc (part of the
qemu-system package):

$ qemu-system-ppc -cpu ? | grep G4
PowerPC G4   PVR 000c0209

(that is one of *398* options!) but it seems to require openbios-ppc
which seems to exist only as a source package on ubuntu. i could always
build it but i'd like to make this as easy as possible for people. any
ideas?

btw i'm not yet running this up the qemu flagpole because this really is
more of a question of the particular ubutnu implementation.

thx
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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] ppc on qemu

2012-02-12 Thread Phill Whiteside

You have to add on the extra bits for it to be able emulate.

Phill.

On 13 February 2012 00:14, ∅ maps.backw...@gmail.com wrote:

  after installing every related package known to man qemu gives me the
 following cpu options:

 $ qemu -cpu ?
 x86   [n270]
 x86 [athlon]
 x86   [pentium3]
 x86   [pentium2]
 x86[pentium]
 x86[486]
 x86[coreduo]
 x86  [kvm32]
 x86 [qemu32]
 x86  [kvm64]
 x86   [core2duo]
 x86 [phenom]
 x86 [qemu64]
 x86   [host]

 which seems inconsistent with idea that it can handle ppc (which i'd like
 to figure out to allow others without ppc machines to do some testing).

 i've managed to figure out there is qemu-system-ppc (part of the
 qemu-system package):

 $ qemu-system-ppc -cpu ? | grep G4
 PowerPC G4   PVR 000c0209

 (that is one of *398* options!) but it seems to require openbios-ppcwhich 
 seems to exist only as a source package on ubuntu. i could always
 build it but i'd like to make this as easy as possible for people. any
 ideas?

 btw i'm not yet running this up the qemu flagpole because this really is
 more of a question of the particular ubutnu implementation.

 thx
 wxl

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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] ppc on qemu

2012-02-12 Thread ∅

A more pointed question then: from whence do I add openbios-ppc?

wxl

On 02/12/2012 04:18 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote:
 You have to add on the extra bits for it to be able emulate.

 Phill.

 On 13 February 2012 00:14, ∅ maps.backw...@gmail.com
 mailto:maps.backw...@gmail.com wrote:

 after installing every related package known to man qemu gives me
 the following cpu options:

 $ qemu -cpu ?
 x86   [n270]
 x86 [athlon]
 x86   [pentium3]
 x86   [pentium2]
 x86[pentium]
 x86[486]
 x86[coreduo]
 x86  [kvm32]
 x86 [qemu32]
 x86  [kvm64]
 x86   [core2duo]
 x86 [phenom]
 x86 [qemu64]
 x86   [host]

 which seems inconsistent with idea that it can handle ppc (which
 i'd like to figure out to allow others without ppc machines to do
 some testing).

 i've managed to figure out there is qemu-system-ppc (part of the
 qemu-system package):

 $ qemu-system-ppc -cpu ? | grep G4
 PowerPC G4   PVR 000c0209

 (that is one of *398* options!) but it seems to require
 openbios-ppc which seems to exist only as a source package on
 ubuntu. i could always build it but i'd like to make this as easy
 as possible for people. any ideas?

 btw i'm not yet running this up the qemu flagpole because this
 really is more of a question of the particular ubutnu implementation.

 thx
 wxl

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Re: [ubuntu-x] gallium version of i915_dri.so

2012-02-12 Thread Christopher James Halse Rogers

On Fri, 2012-02-10 at 09:11 -0800, Bryce Harrington wrote:
 On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 04:13:50PM +0100, erwin wrote:
  
  On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:31:57 +0200, Timo Aaltonen tjaal...@ubuntu.com
  wrote:
   (please use the mailing list mentioned on the maintainer field of the
   package)
   
   On 10.02.2012 15:51, erwin wrote:
   
   Hi Timo,
   
   I noticed the following line in the changelog for
   libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental in the xorg edgers ppa:
   
   Drop the dri-alternates driver search path, and don't ship
   gallium version of i915_dri.so for now
   
   Could you tell me why you stopped shipping the gallium version of
   i915_dri.so? I used this to get OpenGL2 support on my netbook (some
  games
   require it). Is there anything I can do to get it back in?
   
   Nope, don't remember why I dropped it. Maybe just that the package had
   enough issues to get it built, and it was getting on the way.
  
  Any chance of getting it back in? I'd be happy to help with any issues,
  could you point me in the right direction?
 
 I understood that this was no longer being maintained upstream, thus the
 frequent build issues.

I'm pretty sure i915g is being actively maintained and developed; IIRC
the ChromeBooks use i915g.  It is, as Erwin says, more featureful than
i915.

i965g is indeed unmaintained and (as far as I'm aware) never did
anything much more than lock up the GPU.

Chris


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[Ubuntu-QC] Quelles grandes administrations utilisent LibreOffice?

2012-02-12 Thread frhuot

Bien que ce ne soit pas directement lié à Ubuntu, je me permets de lancer cet
appel sur ce forum... pour au article, j'ai besoin de mentionner les noms de
grandes administrations publiques ou privées qui utilisent LibreOffice... 

Merci de votre collaboration,

François Huot 

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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Quelles grandes administrations utilisent LibreOffice?

2012-02-12 Thread Gérard Talbot


Le Dim 12 février 2012 16:25, frhuot a écrit :
 Bien que ce ne soit pas directement lié à Ubuntu, je me permets de lancer
 cet
 appel sur ce forum... pour au article, j'ai besoin de mentionner les noms
 de
 grandes administrations publiques ou privées qui utilisent LibreOffice...

 Merci de votre collaboration,

 François Huot



François,

L'état de Californie. Du moins une partie (indéterminée! un pourcentage
qui m'est indéfini, dont le chiffre exact m'est inconnu) de sa fonction
publique. J'ai lu sur le sujet il y a de cela 2 ou 3 ans et il devrait
bien avoir encore des traces de cela.


Among the budget cuts California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has proposed
to health care, prison, environment, and other parts of the state budget,
there's one area that has a good chance of actually getting a budget
increase: open source in IT.

According to a policy letter (PDF) issued last week by California CIO Teri
Takai, 'the use of Open Source Software (OSS) in California state
government [has now been formally established] as an acceptable practice.'

(Credit: Corinne Schulze/CNET)

It's about time.

California blesses open source as 'acceptable'
January 11, 2010;
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10432052-16.html


California's new Open Source policy rings in the New Year
Wed, 2010-01-13 19:27  Michael Tiemann
http://opensource.org/node/497


Gérard
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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Quelles grandes administrations utilisent LibreOffice?

2012-02-12 Thread Gérard Talbot


Le Dim 12 février 2012 16:25, frhuot a écrit :
 Bien que ce ne soit pas directement lié à Ubuntu, je me permets de lancer
 cet
 appel sur ce forum... pour au article, j'ai besoin de mentionner les noms
 de
 grandes administrations publiques ou privées qui utilisent LibreOffice...

 Merci de votre collaboration,

 François Huot

Une idée. Contactez cette personne:

Solveig Haugland (author of the OpenOffice.org Guidebook and owner of
GetOpenOffice.org; j'ai trouvé son addresse de courrier électronique sur
son blog)

http://openoffice.blogs.com/openoffice/2008/02/this-weekend-ca.html



Elle pourrait (sinon devrait?) connaître le taux de pénétration de
OpenOffice et LibreOffice dans la fonction publique californienne, dans le
système d'éducation, administrations publiques, etc. C'est en fait son
gagne-pain aussi: offrir assistance technique pour passer à OpenOffice
(convertir documents, macros, etc.).




One person's trash is another's treasure, and this weekend open source
vendors and community members plan to join forces with a Northern
Californian recycling organization to transform hundreds of desktop and
laptops into PCs loaded with Ubuntu, Firefox, OpenOffice and more to be
donated to needy area schools. (...)

http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/24609


À cause du déficit annuel de l'état et de sa dette cumulée, tout le
secteur public est davantage motivé+encouragé à migrer vers les logiciels
libres.

Il y a aussi des raisons secondaires; eg The state declared old computer
equipment toxic waste so as long as we are finding a reasonable use for
the recycled desktops, we are preventing toxic waste, Burgett explains.
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/022808-recycling-open-source-software.html


Il y avait un article sur toute cette question il y a 2 ou 3 ans là-dessus
que je n'ai pas encore retrouvé pour le moment.

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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Quelles grandes administrations utilisent LibreOffice?

2012-02-12 Thread defeijt

Bonjour François,

j'avais lu cet article :
http://www.silicon.fr/le-danemark-adopte-libreoffice-58690.html

«/Cette opération permettra d'économiser *5,3 millions d'euros* en terme
de licences. Chaque salarié disposera d'un poste virtuel (accessible
depuis un PC classique ou un client léger), équipé de LibreOffice.
*25.000 copies* de ce logiciel seront ainsi mises en circulation.

La nouvelle est évidemment d'importance pour le monde des logiciels
libres, ce déploiement d'une suite bureautique /open source/ étant *le
troisième en taille en Europe*, après celui de la gendarmerie nationale
française (85.000 postes
http://www.silicon.fr/la-gendarmerie-poursuit-sa-migration-vers-linux-42777.html)
et celui des caisses d'allocations familiales françaises (36.000 postes)/.»

Il y a aussi plusieurs exemple dans la section parts de marché de
wikipédia: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org

De façon plus générale, on peut penser que les administrations publiques
qui ont choisi libreoffice sont celles qui ont réfléchi à l'utilisation
des logiciels libres, et sont donc souvent celles qui utilisent un OS
libre sur leur poste de travail.

Ainsi, je sais que les députés français utilisent Ubuntu depuis 2007
(http://www.zdnet.fr/actualites/linux-les-premiers-pc-ubuntu-sont-livres-aux-deputes-39371628.htm).
Il est donc très probable qu'ils étaient sur OpenOffice et donc avec les
mises à jours sont ou seront sur LibreOffice.

En Europe, en plus de la France, l'Allemagne et l'Espagne semblent
privilégier les logiciels libres

http://logicielslibresetgouvernements.wordpress.com/2010/12/01/etat-actuel-des-logiciels-libres-dans-le-secteur-gouvernemental-dans-le-monde-part-1/

La Finlande semble aussi entrer dans la gang

http://www.cyberpresse.ca/le-soleil/affaires/techno/201112/05/01-4474895-des-migrations-profitables-avec-des-logiciels-libres.php

En dehors de l'Europe, les exemples se trouvent dans des pays assez
marqué à gauche comme le Brésil et le Vénézuela. Il faudrait aussi
vérifier le cas de cuba.

Enfin, il faudrait aussi voir ce que fait la Chine (redflag linux,
incluait openoffice, voir si changé pour libreoffice) et la russie et
l'inde qui voulaient développer son propre OS. Je n'ai aucune info
précises, mais tu pourrait vérifier si c'est du Linux. Si oui, il est
fort probable que LibreOffice soit utilisé par les administrations de
ces pays.

http://www.generation-nt.com/russie-systeme-exploitation-windows-linux-actualite-1108071.html

http://www.generation-nt.com/systeme-exploitation-securite-inde-actualite-1098291.html

Voilà,

Ça fait le tour des pistes que je connais. J'espère que cela te sera utile.

Vincent

Le 2012-02-12 17:29, Gérard Talbot a écrit :

Le Dim 12 février 2012 16:25, frhuot a écrit :

Bien que ce ne soit pas directement lié à Ubuntu, je me permets de lancer
cet
appel sur ce forum... pour au article, j'ai besoin de mentionner les noms
de
grandes administrations publiques ou privées qui utilisent LibreOffice...

Merci de votre collaboration,

François Huot

François,

L'état de Californie. Du moins une partie (indéterminée! un pourcentage
qui m'est indéfini, dont le chiffre exact m'est inconnu) de sa fonction
publique. J'ai lu sur le sujet il y a de cela 2 ou 3 ans et il devrait
bien avoir encore des traces de cela.

Among the budget cuts California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has proposed
to health care, prison, environment, and other parts of the state budget,
there's one area that has a good chance of actually getting a budget
increase: open source in IT.

According to a policy letter (PDF) issued last week by California CIO Teri
Takai, 'the use of Open Source Software (OSS) in California state
government [has now been formally established] as an acceptable practice.'

(Credit: Corinne Schulze/CNET)

It's about time.

California blesses open source as 'acceptable'
January 11, 2010;
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10432052-16.html

California's new Open Source policy rings in the New Year
Wed, 2010-01-13 19:27 --- Michael Tiemann
http://opensource.org/node/497

Gérard

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KDE looking for people that know about accessibility

2012-02-12 Thread Frederik Gladhorn

Hi,

KDE wants to work on it's accessibility support. Amongst other things they 
will spend some of their Summer of Code projects on accessibility.
Now one challenge is to find mentors that actually know what is needed. The 
technical side for once is not the problem, but knowing the specifics, when is 
an application accessible, what can be improved.

If you happen to know about assistive technology, if you use a screen reader 
or have other specific knowledge, now is your chance to help us.

Here is the announcement:
http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/2012/02/10/accessibility-co-mentors-needed-for-
gsoc/

There are a few ideas about accessibility on the gsoc idea page:
http://community.kde.org/index.php?title=GSoC/2012/Ideas#KDE_Accessibility


Cheers
Frederik



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LiveFS ubuntustudio-dvd/precise/amd64 failed to build on 20120211

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LiveFS ubuntustudio-dvd/precise/amd64 failed to build on 20120210

2012-02-12 Thread CD Image

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Re: Unity Greeter's Keyboard Indicator

2012-02-12 Thread Sebastien Bacher


Le 12/02/2012 12:06, Sebastien Bacher a écrit :


One issue I noticed


Oh, other issues :-(

- The selection on the login screen doesn't seem to work (hard to see 
what happens exactly since passwords chars don't show). I.e I select my 
test user where I set the default keymap to german, it's listed as 
german seems to react according to the setting, so far so good. Since I 
know french better I use the indicator to select fr (which is my second 
keymap for that user) and type my password in french...that doesn't 
work, the actual keymap in use seems to still be the german one


- When using indicator-session to switch user (i.e I pick the name of my 
test user in my session) the keyboard list is empty in unity-greeter, 
it's ok if I switch to another user and back to the originally selected 
though, it seems to miss the init when preselecting the user though


- I think that will be for today, we should fix the g-s-d breakage 
before upload but otherwise things seem to be good enough for feature 
freeze ;-)


Cheers,
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Re: Remove unnecessary objects from the indicators (mainly messages indicator)

2012-02-12 Thread Petko


On 02/12/2012 01:07 PM, Thomas Prost wrote:

Am Montag, den 06.02.2012, 14:32 +0200 schrieb Petko:

On 02/05/2012 04:56 PM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote:

On 05. feb. 2012 15:05, Petko wrote:

And for Ubuntu One - I'm pretty sure its place isn't in the Messages
menu .


Category indicator menus are for actionable indications that belongs
to a category. When I send you an invitation, it is not just a
notification that something is happening. You need to respond to the
invitation in order to make use of it. But such an invitation is also
a message, which means it is an actionable indication raised by the
message you receive from another user. For that reason, it does belong
in the message menu.

The type of invitation I'm talking about, is when someone shares a
folder with you. You can then accept and sync the folder or not.

Jo-Erlend Schinstad

Fair enough :)


... sorry - but: What version was that all about ???
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Re: Remove unnecessary objects from the indicators (mainly messages indicator)

2012-02-12 Thread Thomas Prost

Am Sonntag, den 12.02.2012, 14:17 +0200 schrieb Petko:
 On 02/12/2012 01:07 PM, Thomas Prost wrote:
  Am Montag, den 06.02.2012, 14:32 +0200 schrieb Petko:
  On 02/05/2012 04:56 PM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote:
  On 05. feb. 2012 15:05, Petko wrote:
  And for Ubuntu One - I'm pretty sure its place isn't in the Messages
  menu .
 
  Category indicator menus are for actionable indications that belongs
  ... sorry - but: What version was that all about ???
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 Precise (if you're asking about that) .
 
... yesss :-) (just to pigeonhole your talk)
And additionally I was prying about the panel staying at version 3.2.2.1
in Ubuntu 12.04 ?


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Re: Fwd:Ubuntu, please don't waste time on upgrading your flashy silly themes, desktop-effects!

2012-02-12 Thread Life Monad

Why,I did not choose Unity?
I am a developer too.
Desktop software design principle (Maybe you know)  , for end users, they
hope every software has similar appearance, .aka. UX. Similar menu
layout,keyshortcuts,status bar,notification area.especially,settings
panel.

Why not improve GNOME if you think it sucks?
(OK..,why not improve Unity if I think it sucks...because I won't waste
time on it,I think Unity have no significant for end users.They want bug
fixes and  new useful features  softwares adding eagerly , not another
desktop env.)

BTW:You can  image, while user works,he open a new window,...desktop
 disappears.

In spare time ,I want to  develop some useful tiny programs which *other
platform provided but ubuntu lack of*.(Wine? never  be a solution.You must
know it.Forget Wine.Develop your own linux desktop software.)

But when I see Unity,I am confused. Did I need test my program on Unity?
These desktop env have different API UX. Programs can't do a good
seamless integration
with desktop env(also file managers such as Nautilus . Konqueror).

Hn...Ha... Why not  GNOME X.X? Great Unification.

I am tired.



2012/2/13 Bilal Akhtar bilalakh...@ubuntu.com

 All decisions so far regarding Ubuntu's design and Unity have been
 made by large groups of people, and every decision has been influenced
 a lot by user testing and feedback. And yes, we've been listening to
 our users. Every. Feedback. Counts. As Michael said, we ourselves are
 users too.

 We'd also be considering your opinions if they were constructive. Just
 saying OMG UNITY SUX IM MOVING TO Insert a DE or distro here.
 PLEASE FIX UNITY isn't going to help either side. We tend to ignore
 such threads because of their vagueness.

 Bilal Akhtar.


  On 02/12/2012 10:16 PM, scott wrote:
 
  On 02/12/2012 09:47 PM, Michael Hall wrote:
 
  Please keep in mind that everybody who makes Ubuntu is also an Ubuntu
  user, and a large portion of Ubuntu's users are also involved in
  making it.
 
  Michael Hall
  mhall...@ubuntu.com
 
 
  You can't tell by all the backlash against Unity, at the least.
 
  Scott
 

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Re: Fwd:Ubuntu, please don't waste time on upgrading your flashy silly themes, desktop-effects!

2012-02-12 Thread Michael Hall

Unity's unique features are either optional or automatic.  If you 
develop your app using Gtk or Qt, you will automatically get the global 
menu in Unity.  Having an XDG .desktop file will automatically allow 
your app to be placed on the Unity launcher and, you can optionally 
extend that with Unity Quicklists.  The Indicator API exists in both 
Unity and KDE.


If you have more questions about integrating your application with 
Unity, please take a look at http://unity.ubuntu.com/about/


Michael Hall
mhall...@ubuntu.com


On 02/12/2012 11:39 PM, Life Monad wrote:

Why,I did not choose Unity?
I am a developer too.
Desktop software design principle (Maybe you know)  , for end users,
they hope every software has similar appearance, .aka. UX. Similar
menu layout,keyshortcuts,status bar,notification
area.especially,settings panel.

Why not improve GNOME if you think it sucks?
(OK..,why not improve Unity if I think it sucks...because I won't waste
time on it,I think Unity have no significant for end users.They want bug
fixes and  new useful features  softwares adding eagerly , not another
desktop env.)

BTW:You can  image, while user works,he open a new window,...desktop
  disappears.

In spare time ,I want to  develop some useful tiny programs which /other
platform provided but ubuntu lack of/.(Wine? never  be a solution.You
must know it.Forget Wine.Develop your own linux desktop software.)

But when I see Unity,I am confused. Did I need test my program on Unity?
These desktop env have different API UX. Programs can't do a good
seamless  integration with desktop env(also file managers such
as Nautilus . K onqueror ).

Hn...Ha... Why not  GNOME X.X? Great Unification.

I am tired.



2012/2/13 Bilal Akhtar bilalakh...@ubuntu.com
mailto:bilalakh...@ubuntu.com

All decisions so far regarding Ubuntu's design and Unity have been
made by large groups of people, and every decision has been influenced
a lot by user testing and feedback. And yes, we've been listening to
our users. Every. Feedback. Counts. As Michael said, we ourselves are
users too.

We'd also be considering your opinions if they were constructive. Just
saying OMG UNITY SUX IM MOVING TO Insert a DE or distro here.
PLEASE FIX UNITY isn't going to help either side. We tend to ignore
such threads because of their vagueness.

Bilal Akhtar.


  On 02/12/2012 10:16 PM, scott wrote:
 
  On 02/12/2012 09:47 PM, Michael Hall wrote:
 
  Please keep in mind that everybody who makes Ubuntu is also an
Ubuntu
  user, and a large portion of Ubuntu's users are also involved in
  making it.
 
  Michael Hall
  mhall...@ubuntu.com mailto:mhall...@ubuntu.com
 
 
  You can't tell by all the backlash against Unity, at the least.
 
  Scott
 

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Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 announced

2012-02-12 Thread Daniel Holbach

Hello everybody,

On 06.02.2012 11:11, Daniel Holbach wrote:
 GSoC2012 has been announced [1]. The timeline for the initiative is up
 as well [2]. Relevant next dates are:
 
  * February 27 19:00 UTC:
Mentoring organizations can begin submitting applications to Google.
  * March 9 23:00 UTC
Mentoring organization application deadline.
  * March 12-15:
Google program administrators review organization applications.
  * March 16 19:00 UTC
List of accepted mentoring organizations published on the Google
Summer of Code 2012 site.

It's still two weeks until we can submit our application,


 Please help filling out our application. This is important.
 
  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleSoC2012

Up until now we have four project proposals by two people and none of
the application details have been filled out yet.

Have a great day,
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Re: Ubuntu Studio 11.10 repositories + an Ubuntu providing WLAN spport

2012-02-12 Thread Janne Jokitalo

On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 01:32:12AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 I'm missing a mailing list for Mint, so I join a German forum. I
 installed Mint Lisa - KDE 64-bit. KDE freeze after login and Xfce
 doesn't show nm-applet. Changing the mouse cursor theme doesn't work.
snip
 Haven't installed Ubuntu Studio meta packages until now. Perhaps I
 should test what happens, when Ubuntu Studio themes are installed. Does
 11.10 already include Xfce?

Hi,

I am a little puzzled, over here. What does a Mint installation (and its
problems) have to do with Ubuntu Studio? We will not provide any official
support for such a combo, so I would suggest you find some elsewhere, for I do
not wish to encourage this sort of behaviour on our official support forums.

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What exactley is Ubuntu Studio related and what not? Was: Ubuntu Studio 11.10 repositories + an Ubuntu providing WLAN spport

2012-02-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf

On Sun, 2012-02-12 at 13:21 +0200, Janne Jokitalo wrote:
 On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 01:32:12AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
  I'm missing a mailing list for Mint, so I join a German forum. I
  installed Mint Lisa - KDE 64-bit. KDE freeze after login and Xfce
  doesn't show nm-applet. Changing the mouse cursor theme doesn't work.
 snip
  Haven't installed Ubuntu Studio meta packages until now. Perhaps I
  should test what happens, when Ubuntu Studio themes are installed. Does
  11.10 already include Xfce?
 
 Hi,
 
 I am a little puzzled, over here. What does a Mint installation (and its
 problems) have to do with Ubuntu Studio? We will not provide any official
 support for such a combo, so I would suggest you find some elsewhere, for I do
 not wish to encourage this sort of behaviour on our official support forums.
 
 Thanks for understanding!

It was in reply to an answer of a request I did regarding to the usage
of Mint Lisa with Ubuntu Studio meta packages.

My intension is to get a new DAW, since my old one is Edubuntu 10.10 +
Ubuntu Studio meta packages.

Note that I join a German forum regarding to Mint, but also note that
Ubuntu is Ubuntu is Ubuntu.

IMO your wish isn't a wise wish. E.g. what has got an Android tablet to
do with Ubuntu Studio, or much more worse, an iPad 2?

Please understand that usage of a production setup has to do with
several needs and different gear needs to work together. And again,
regarding to Mind Lisa, it's Oneric, Ubuntu Studio meta packages are
part of the official Ubuntu repositories.

Who is allowed to do requests on this list?

Since Kubuntu still is Canonical I suspect they are allowed. But as soon
as Kubuntu becomes a community project, AFAIK it will lose it's
membership at Canonical. Are Kubuntu users still allowed to do
requests then?

I can unsubscribe, no prob, but reconsider if your thinking is wise.

2 cents,
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Re: What exactley is Ubuntu Studio related and what not? Was: Ubuntu Studio 11.10 repositories + an Ubuntu providing WLAN spport

2012-02-12 Thread Janne Jokitalo

On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 12:37:10PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 On Sun, 2012-02-12 at 13:21 +0200, Janne Jokitalo wrote:
  On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 01:32:12AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
   I'm missing a mailing list for Mint, so I join a German forum. I
   installed Mint Lisa - KDE 64-bit. KDE freeze after login and Xfce
   doesn't show nm-applet. Changing the mouse cursor theme doesn't work.
  snip
   Haven't installed Ubuntu Studio meta packages until now. Perhaps I
   should test what happens, when Ubuntu Studio themes are installed. Does
   11.10 already include Xfce?
  
  Hi,
  
  I am a little puzzled, over here. What does a Mint installation (and its
  problems) have to do with Ubuntu Studio? We will not provide any official
  support for such a combo, so I would suggest you find some elsewhere, for I 
  do
  not wish to encourage this sort of behaviour on our official support forums.
  
  Thanks for understanding!
 
 It was in reply to an answer of a request I did regarding to the usage
 of Mint Lisa with Ubuntu Studio meta packages.

I did understand that. Nonetheless, using Ubuntu Studio packages on a
completely different distro _isn't_ using Ubuntu Studio.

 My intension is to get a new DAW, since my old one is Edubuntu 10.10 +
 Ubuntu Studio meta packages.
 
 Note that I join a German forum regarding to Mint, but also note that
 Ubuntu is Ubuntu is Ubuntu.

Mint Linux isn't Ubuntu.

 IMO your wish isn't a wise wish. E.g. what has got an Android tablet to
 do with Ubuntu Studio, or much more worse, an iPad 2?

I do understand if people want to discuss vaguely-related issues on this mailing
list. I admit, I have partaken in such discussions myself. But in the end, the
subject of this mailing list, in brief, is: Ubuntu-Studio-users -- Ubuntu
Studio Users Help and Discussion.

I do not consider asking for possible usages for an iPad2 (one of which could
have been jailrooting it and installing a PowerPPC port of Ubuntu) as such
misleading topics as providing support for a 'competing' distribution.

 Please understand that usage of a production setup has to do with
 several needs and different gear needs to work together. And again,
 regarding to Mind Lisa, it's Oneric, Ubuntu Studio meta packages are
 part of the official Ubuntu repositories.

Yes, Ubuntu Studio meta packages are indeed parts of official repositories.
However, the rest of that setup is not, which is the particular reason why we're
not providing support for it on this forum.

 Who is allowed to do requests on this list?

Everybody. If it's a support request, however, it will be served if it falls
under the umbrella of supported topics.

 Since Kubuntu still is Canonical I suspect they are allowed. But as soon
 as Kubuntu becomes a community project, AFAIK it will lose it's
 membership at Canonical. Are Kubuntu users still allowed to do
 requests then?

Of course. Kubuntu is, after all, using the official repositories for the
_whole_ of their distribution (of flavor, or derivative etc.), which Mint does
not.

 I can unsubscribe, no prob, but reconsider if your thinking is wise.

I never asked you to do such a thing. Please, there's no drama here. I am merely
trying to limit the support conversation to something that can reasonably be
provided. Ubuntu Studio community, by default, provides community support for
Ubuntu parts, we cannot stretch further than that.


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Re: Ubuntu Studio 11.10 repositories + an Ubuntu providing WLAN spport

2012-02-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf

PS: I didn't ask for support, I just reported that installing Mint may
not be the best way to go and that installing e.g. Ubuntu, Kubuntu,
Xubuntu etc. might be better, of cause with using Ubuntu Studio meta
packages.

I didn't know about the rule that this list is explicit for Ubuntu
Studio only.

IMO this is not good. Art productions usually are done using
environments that are mixed. You'll hardly find Ubuntu Studio hardware,
Synthesizers and even if there would be such gear. The policy of Linux
shouldn't become the same as it is e.g. for Apple.

If your claim is official Ubuntu Studio or Canonical, then good night
for this distro.


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Re: What exactley is Ubuntu Studio related and what not? Was: Ubuntu Studio 11.10 repositories + an Ubuntu providing WLAN spport

2012-02-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf

On Sun, 2012-02-12 at 13:51 +0200, Janne Jokitalo wrote:
 Of course. Kubuntu is, after all, using the official repositories for the
 _whole_ of their distribution (of flavor, or derivative etc.), which Mint does
 not.

Mint Lisa - KDE 64-bit seems to use the official repositories OOTB. I
agree that this anyway doesn't mean it's an Ubuntu distro, such as e.g.
Kubuntu still is or was.

You'll find exchange of experience e.g. between Suse and Debian users at
Debian users mailing list, this makes Linux a modern, libre OS.
IMO it's strange that such an exchange is unwanted for completely
compatible distros such as Ubuntu and Mint on this list.

I'm not believing in conspiracy theories, but a lot of German Ubuntu
derivatives users at least don't trust Marc Shuttleworth anymore. I'm
not one of them, but I don't feel good with the separation done by some
community members.

I wouldn't ask When I upgraded Suse, Yast gets broken, what can I do?
at this list, but why not asking When I upgraded Mint, Ardour gets
broken, what can I do?

Anyway, I won't discuss this any long, just 2 Cents,
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Re: What exactley is Ubuntu Studio related and what not? Was: Ubuntu Studio 11.10 repositories + an Ubuntu providing WLAN spport

2012-02-12 Thread Janne Jokitalo

On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 01:20:52PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 On Sun, 2012-02-12 at 13:51 +0200, Janne Jokitalo wrote:
  Of course. Kubuntu is, after all, using the official repositories for the
  _whole_ of their distribution (of flavor, or derivative etc.), which Mint 
  does
  not.
 
 Mint Lisa - KDE 64-bit seems to use the official repositories OOTB. I
 agree that this anyway doesn't mean it's an Ubuntu distro, such as e.g.
 Kubuntu still is or was.

Oh ok.

 You'll find exchange of experience e.g. between Suse and Debian users at
 Debian users mailing list, this makes Linux a modern, libre OS.
 IMO it's strange that such an exchange is unwanted for completely
 compatible distros such as Ubuntu and Mint on this list.

Exchange is one thing, support is different.

 I'm not believing in conspiracy theories, but a lot of German Ubuntu
 derivatives users at least don't trust Marc Shuttleworth anymore. I'm
 not one of them, but I don't feel good with the separation done by some
 community members.

This is not about separation and sadbfl. This is about what can the community
reasonably provide support for. Since this is under the ubuntu.com umbrella,
that's where we have to limit our support for.

As to why some people don't trust (I can't even understand why they would have
trust issues, has the guy betrayed them somehow?) the founder of the project,
that's definitely OT for this list.
 
 I wouldn't ask When I upgraded Suse, Yast gets broken, what can I do? at
 this list, but why not asking When I upgraded Mint, Ardour gets broken, what
 can I do?

It's because we don't know what distro-specific tweaks the Mint devs have
included in their base setup. There could be something there, that breaks what
we are trying to achieve, and when we give support instructions from our
distribution's point-of-view, the user might not get the problem resolved,
resulting in poor user experience and spreading of misinformation.

I would assume that Mint community has support forums for their users, right?

Remember, this is not about making users' lives miserable. It's about not
confusing other (possible) users by providing them information that is false.

 Anyway, I won't discuss this any long, just 2 Cents, Ralf

Fair enough. I just wanted to try to make you understand the raison d'etre for
this policy. And while it's not a very strict policy, I would still like to
remind about it every once in a while. I'm sorry if you feel like you were being
unfairly targetted about it. That's not the case.


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Re: Ubuntu Studio 11.10 repositories + an Ubuntu providing WLAN spport

2012-02-12 Thread Janne Jokitalo

On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 12:57:23PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 PS: I didn't ask for support, I just reported that installing Mint may
 not be the best way to go and that installing e.g. Ubuntu, Kubuntu,
 Xubuntu etc. might be better, of cause with using Ubuntu Studio meta
 packages.

Ok, maybe I read that wrong, then. Apologies if this made you feel upset.

 I didn't know about the rule that this list is explicit for Ubuntu
 Studio only.

Well, I suppose we have cleared this in the other emails now.

 IMO this is not good. Art productions usually are done using
 environments that are mixed. You'll hardly find Ubuntu Studio hardware,
 Synthesizers and even if there would be such gear. The policy of Linux
 shouldn't become the same as it is e.g. for Apple.

Of course we realize this. Again, I want to emphasize, the limitation concerns
support foremost (although we would like that the regular topics not deviating
too far from Ubuntu as a whole).

 If your claim is official Ubuntu Studio or Canonical, then good night
 for this distro.

That is totally uncalled for, and I will disregard such in the future. I'll say
it just this one time any longer. No need for drama. My request was to limit the
support requests to *buntu only. I would think it's not too hard to understand.
Again, please read the list's header with thought, and think about why it could
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Re: What exactley is Ubuntu Studio related and what not? Was: Ubuntu Studio 11.10 repositories + an Ubuntu providing WLAN spport

2012-02-12 Thread Mike Holstein

hello Ralph!

in the interest of constructive community support, id like to add that i
would *not* install any of the ubuntustudio meta-packages to mint.
especially those relating to look and feel.. you can however just install
what you want from the mint repos (a lot of which are the ubuntu repos as
well)... you can just install JACK, ardour, and whatever else instead of
ubuntustudio-audio... one thing that makes ubuntustudio so attractive is
this community support for multimedia producers and the metapackages. those
metapackages are not going to be tested by mint, nor supported. mint has no
multimedia derivative of which i am aware. for mint support, i would go to
the IRC support channel #mint or some of the others on the spotchat network
and try and find some audio folks... also, lots of mint users are in the
#opensourcemusicians channel on the freenode network. i also know that the
http://dinisnoise.org/ developer is a mint user. other than that, we use
and support ubuntustudio here, and i suppose the spirit in which it seems
you are switching to mint could be taken as a bit abrasive. lots of folks
are working hard to make ubuntustudio 12.04 a top notch release. the
invitation is extended for *everyone* to come and get involved. come on the
IRC and test, and share your skills and help us make ubuntustudio 12.04
something that no one will distro-hop away from!

top-posting with much respect and passion... holstein

thanks

On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 7:33 AM, Janne Jokitalo astralj...@kapsi.fi wrote:

 On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 01:20:52PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
  On Sun, 2012-02-12 at 13:51 +0200, Janne Jokitalo wrote:
   Of course. Kubuntu is, after all, using the official repositories for
 the
   _whole_ of their distribution (of flavor, or derivative etc.), which
 Mint does
   not.
 
  Mint Lisa - KDE 64-bit seems to use the official repositories OOTB. I
  agree that this anyway doesn't mean it's an Ubuntu distro, such as e.g.
  Kubuntu still is or was.

 Oh ok.

  You'll find exchange of experience e.g. between Suse and Debian users at
  Debian users mailing list, this makes Linux a modern, libre OS.
  IMO it's strange that such an exchange is unwanted for completely
  compatible distros such as Ubuntu and Mint on this list.

 Exchange is one thing, support is different.

  I'm not believing in conspiracy theories, but a lot of German Ubuntu
  derivatives users at least don't trust Marc Shuttleworth anymore. I'm
  not one of them, but I don't feel good with the separation done by some
  community members.

 This is not about separation and sadbfl. This is about what can the
 community
 reasonably provide support for. Since this is under the ubuntu.comumbrella,
 that's where we have to limit our support for.

 As to why some people don't trust (I can't even understand why they would
 have
 trust issues, has the guy betrayed them somehow?) the founder of the
 project,
 that's definitely OT for this list.

  I wouldn't ask When I upgraded Suse, Yast gets broken, what can I do?
 at
  this list, but why not asking When I upgraded Mint, Ardour gets broken,
 what
  can I do?

 It's because we don't know what distro-specific tweaks the Mint devs have
 included in their base setup. There could be something there, that breaks
 what
 we are trying to achieve, and when we give support instructions from our
 distribution's point-of-view, the user might not get the problem resolved,
 resulting in poor user experience and spreading of misinformation.

 I would assume that Mint community has support forums for their users,
 right?

 Remember, this is not about making users' lives miserable. It's about not
 confusing other (possible) users by providing them information that is
 false.

  Anyway, I won't discuss this any long, just 2 Cents, Ralf

 Fair enough. I just wanted to try to make you understand the raison d'etre
 for
 this policy. And while it's not a very strict policy, I would still like to
 remind about it every once in a while. I'm sorry if you feel like you were
 being
 unfairly targetted about it. That's not the case.


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Re: What exactley is Ubuntu Studio related and what not? Was: Ubuntu Studio 11.10 repositories + an Ubuntu providing WLAN spport

2012-02-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf

On Sun, 2012-02-12 at 14:33 +0200, Janne Jokitalo wrote:
 It's because we don't know what distro-specific tweaks the Mint devs have
 included in their base setup. There could be something there, that breaks what
 we are trying to achieve, and when we give support instructions from our
 distribution's point-of-view, the user might not get the problem resolved,
 resulting in poor user experience and spreading of misinformation.

ubuntustudio-11.10-alternate-amd64.iso download is at 94% now ;)

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Re: What exactley is Ubuntu Studio related and what not? Was: Ubuntu Studio 11.10 repositories + an Ubuntu providing WLAN spport

2012-02-12 Thread Janne Jokitalo

On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 08:06:20PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 On Sun, 2012-02-12 at 14:33 +0200, Janne Jokitalo wrote:
  It's because we don't know what distro-specific tweaks the Mint devs have
  included in their base setup. There could be something there, that breaks 
  what
  we are trying to achieve, and when we give support instructions from our
  distribution's point-of-view, the user might not get the problem resolved,
  resulting in poor user experience and spreading of misinformation.
 
 ubuntustudio-11.10-alternate-amd64.iso download is at 94% now ;)

Great news! Welcome back. :)

Btw. there are a few known drawbacks on that release, but it's an exciting one
in that it's the first where we used Xubuntu as the base.


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Screen Resolution incorrect after updates

2012-02-12 Thread Erik Rasmussen

Hi!  I'm running Ubuntu Studio 11.04 and recently did routine updates
(which I think included a kernel update) and now the screen resolution is
set too small and will not allow me to select the correct resolution.
 (It's set to 1024x768 but should be 1440x900.)  Ubuntu Studio 11.04 has
worked really well up until this point...but I need the viewing space back.

Isn't there a simple graphical utility that I can use to correct this?  (On
past Ubuntu Studio versions I've installed some ATI utility, but it never
worked reliably, was annoying to use, and the settings would sometimes
revert back, especially after kernel updates.)

If not a utility are there simple steps I can take to set this and keep it
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Re: Screen Resolution incorrect after updates

2012-02-12 Thread Mike Holstein

On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Erik Rasmussen mailfore...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi!  I'm running Ubuntu Studio 11.04 and recently did routine updates
 (which I think included a kernel update) and now the screen resolution is
 set too small and will not allow me to select the correct resolution.
  (It's set to 1024x768 but should be 1440x900.)  Ubuntu Studio 11.04 has
 worked really well up until this point...but I need the viewing space back.

 Isn't there a simple graphical utility that I can use to correct this?
  (On past Ubuntu Studio versions I've installed some ATI utility, but it
 never worked reliably, was annoying to use, and the settings would
 sometimes revert back, especially after kernel updates.)

 If not a utility are there simple steps I can take to set this and keep it
 set correctly?


you can try arandr, or looking for and editing the xorg.conf file (*if* you
have one)... i would also have no issues going back to the kernel that
works and running that...


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Re: Screen Resolution incorrect after updates

2012-02-12 Thread Gustin Johnson

Tough to say without knowing more, but if this is a newer ATI graphics
card, (something released since 2008 and up) then you should check to see
if the radeon module is loaded (lsmod |grep radeon).  If not try manually
loading it with sudo modprobe radeon and restarting X (usually sudo
/etc/init.d/gdm restart).

Hth,

On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Mike Holstein mikeh...@gmail.com wrote:



 On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Erik Rasmussen mailfore...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi!  I'm running Ubuntu Studio 11.04 and recently did routine updates
 (which I think included a kernel update) and now the screen resolution is
 set too small and will not allow me to select the correct resolution.
  (It's set to 1024x768 but should be 1440x900.)  Ubuntu Studio 11.04 has
 worked really well up until this point...but I need the viewing space back.

 Isn't there a simple graphical utility that I can use to correct this?
  (On past Ubuntu Studio versions I've installed some ATI utility, but it
 never worked reliably, was annoying to use, and the settings would
 sometimes revert back, especially after kernel updates.)

 If not a utility are there simple steps I can take to set this and keep
 it set correctly?


 you can try arandr, or looking for and editing the xorg.conf file (*if*
 you have one)... i would also have no issues going back to the kernel that
 works and running that...


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[Ubuntu-BR] Dica: Os diversos sabores do Ubuntu

2012-02-12 Thread Celio Silva


Para conhecer, baixar...e salvar no favoritos:

http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] [OT] Canonical não vai mais financiar Kubuntu

2012-02-12 Thread Zandre Bran

2012/2/11 Anderson Unsonst andersonunso...@gmail.com:
 iae zandre, blz?

Ôlas Unsonst, obrigado por responder e no lado de cá tudo tranquilo ;)

 mas é justamente essas empresas que empurram o desenvolvimento do sl,
 vejamos por exemplos, lubuntu e o xubuntu em comparação do ubuntu e do
 kubuntu, mas eu concordo que em uma distro 'livre de segundas
 intenções' possui muito mais participação da comunidade.

 Sim, sim. Mas no mundo ideal a comunidade deveria ao menos ser
notificada sobre os rumos que se seguirão. Como no exemplo, pessoas
perderam seu tempo elaborando e divulgando o novo tempo LTS do K que
logo na frente foi descontinuado. Mas este não é um problema somente
da Canonical. Ainda na utopia; que legal seria os lideres das
comunidades serem ouvidos.

 mas ae entra outro problema, aonde encontrar pessoas qualificadas para
 trabalhar de graça para dar conta de 6-6 meses de lançamentos ?

 Pois é, afinal não existe almoço grátis.

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] [OT] Canonical não vai mais financiar Kubuntu

2012-02-12 Thread Adauto Serpa

Eu também as vezes fico com pé atrás em usar distro com financiamento de
empresas por trás.
Comecei usando RedHat, :( bom acredito que todos conhecem a história,
depois passei a usar
Debian por mais ou menos uns 5 anos e agora estou usando Ubuntu. Troquei o
Debian pelo
Ubuntu pelo fato do Debian ser muito radical na questão de usar software
proprietário e o
Ubuntu conseguiu ser mais flexível nesse quesito.

Só para constar pra mim trocar o nome do firefox foi a gota dágua !

Tenho algumas considerações a fazer sobre o que sei até agora da Canonical,
ela conseguiu
colocar o Linux onde nenhuma outra empresa conseguiu, suas melhorias são
visíveis, ou seja,
contribuiu muito para o software aberto.

A outra é que acho um pouco obscuras algumas das suas decisões, na
realidade acho que ela se
mostra pouco para a comunidade, não sei se ela dá o apoio necessário para a
mesma.
Talvez seja impressão minha, mas acho que não !(Estava esbouçando esse
email antes do Zandre, mas acho
que eu tenho a mesma opinião dele).

Em relação aos softwares que não tem apoio da Canonical, eu no inicio acha
meio estranho também,
mas acredito que seja apenas ordem de prioridade dos mesmos. Bom prefiro
pensar assim.

Concluindo já estou colocando algumas opções para não ser pego desprevenido
com alguma outra
decisão que a Canonical possa tomar: Mint, OpenSuse, Debian, mas acho cedo
para mim tomar
qualquer decisão, pois momento estou bem servido com Ubuntu ou Kubuntu(com
ou sem apoio da Canonical).
E tudo ainda é muito especulativo !

abs,

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] [OT] Canonical não vai mais financiar Kubuntu

2012-02-12 Thread Marcelo Silva

Mais uma especulação... estava pensando aqui, acho que a ideia do Unity não 
foi muito bem recebida e os usuários acabaram indo para o KDE (Kubuntu) 
então estão querendo tacar o Unity guela abaixo tirando o Kubuntu de 
circulação, rsrsrs...




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To: Lista de discussão do LoCoTeam Brasileiro
Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-BR][OT] Canonical não vai mais financiar Kubuntu

Eu também as vezes fico com pé atrás em usar distro com financiamento de
empresas por trás.
Comecei usando RedHat, :( bom acredito que todos conhecem a história,
depois passei a usar
Debian por mais ou menos uns 5 anos e agora estou usando Ubuntu. Troquei o
Debian pelo
Ubuntu pelo fato do Debian ser muito radical na questão de usar software
proprietário e o
Ubuntu conseguiu ser mais flexível nesse quesito.

Só para constar pra mim trocar o nome do firefox foi a gota dágua !

Tenho algumas considerações a fazer sobre o que sei até agora da Canonical,
ela conseguiu
colocar o Linux onde nenhuma outra empresa conseguiu, suas melhorias são
visíveis, ou seja,
contribuiu muito para o software aberto.

A outra é que acho um pouco obscuras algumas das suas decisões, na
realidade acho que ela se
mostra pouco para a comunidade, não sei se ela dá o apoio necessário para a
mesma.
Talvez seja impressão minha, mas acho que não !(Estava esbouçando esse
email antes do Zandre, mas acho
que eu tenho a mesma opinião dele).

Em relação aos softwares que não tem apoio da Canonical, eu no inicio acha
meio estranho também,
mas acredito que seja apenas ordem de prioridade dos mesmos. Bom prefiro
pensar assim.

Concluindo já estou colocando algumas opções para não ser pego desprevenido
com alguma outra
decisão que a Canonical possa tomar: Mint, OpenSuse, Debian, mas acho cedo
para mim tomar
qualquer decisão, pois momento estou bem servido com Ubuntu ou Kubuntu(com
ou sem apoio da Canonical).
E tudo ainda é muito especulativo !

abs,

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] [OT] Canonical não vai mais financiar Kubuntu

2012-02-12 Thread João Santana

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Em 11-02-2012 18:23, Roberval Sena escreveu:
 o... porque não
 
 
 Não, não é disto que se trata a thred.
 
 eu achava que era.   nossa.. por favor me desculpe.
 
 
 
 por favor quero que entendam que sei da importância do kubuntu,
 no entanto não bastaria dar um install kde no ubuntu original
 e pronto... teríamos um kubuntu..  no ubuntu?
 
 
 
 Não. seria apt-get install kubuntu-desktop.
 
 nossa. por  favor mais uma vez me desculpe pelo comando errado.
 você tem toda razão.
 
 
 podendo até escolher hora um interface... hora outra??
 
 
 ora uma insterface, ora outra. (ora... ora, cojunção coordenativa)
 
 envergonhado demais, por favor perdão por mais estes erros.
 
 
 OUTRA: se acontece algo ruim, do tipo o kubuntu ser realmente
 descontinuado, não poderíamos apontar para os repositórios do
 próprio Ubuntu?
 
 
 Uma coisa não tem nada a ver com a outra. Temos um monte de
 software que não tem apoio da canonical nos repositórios.
 
 entendo, não vou citar as coisas que falaram em outros posts. você
 tem razão.
 
 
 por favor me corrijam se eu estiver errado..
 
 
 Corrigido.
 
 por favor me desculpe lhe incomodar, com tantas asneiras de minha
 parte. vou me calar. E procurar atrapalhar menos.

É agora que você começa a chorar?
Ora, meu amigo, faz o favor de se fazer menos vítima.
Ler o assunto, escrever em bom português e, mais importante ainda,
saber comunicar o que se pensa é o mínimo que se espera.
Aceite a correção e pronto.
Ficar chorando não vai mudar a opinião dos outros.

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] [OT] Canonical não vai mais financiar Kubuntu

2012-02-12 Thread João Santana

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Em 11-02-2012 18:59, José Aniceto escreveu:
 Quem usa o kubuntu sabe que não é a mesma coisa, kubuntu, e ubuntu
 depois, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop. Q Andre, eu nunca me
 habituei ao gnome sempre venho usando o kubuntu, desde quando o
 kurumin saiu. Tenho observado que o kubuntu é tratado como se não 
 fosse um flho legitimo, já teve momento, que se questionou, se os
 assuntos do kubuntu deveriam serem tratados aqui. Vamos ver se a
 gente acorda, pra certas mesquinhez. Essa tempestade que o ubuntu
 vem atravessando (problemas com unity), não abalou o kubuntu, que
 ficou bem melhor do que quando iniciei com ele. Sempre evitei
 algumas distros que tem cunho comercial, não gosto da ideia de tá
 servindo de cobaia, e no kubuntu, até agora, não senti isso, mas, 
 sempre testei outras distros. Essa noticia não deixa de ser um
 balde de água fria, quando o kubuntu a meu ver, está maduro, no seu
 melhor momento.
 
 Aniceto

Em linhas gerais, sempre houveram atritos entre as comunidades GNOME e
KDE, mais como uma briga de jovens Montéquios e Capuletos do que outra
coisa.

Eu tenho notado que os utilizadores de um ou outro ambiente acabam se
sentindo meio que relegado a segundo plano quando sua distro usa por
padrão um ambiente diferente.

No caso do Kubuntu, nada mais falso, porque a distro é irmã gêmea do
Ubuntu e sempre teve uma comunidade bastante ativa -- mas o foco da
Canonical sempre foi o GNOME e suas tecnologias.

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] [OT] Canonical não vai mais financiar Kubuntu

2012-02-12 Thread João Santana

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Em 12-02-2012 20:24, Marcelo Silva escreveu:
 Mais uma especulação... estava pensando aqui, acho que a ideia do
 Unity não foi muito bem recebida e os usuários acabaram indo para o
 KDE (Kubuntu) então estão querendo tacar o Unity guela abaixo
 tirando o Kubuntu de circulação, rsrsrs...
 
 
 


Não é bem assim. Pesando na balança, a quantidade de usuários que não
usam o Unity é bem menor do que se pensa. E o Unity é uma das
tecnologias de fundação do Ubuntu, portanto também é falsa a impressão
de que, havendo abandono do Unity por parte dos utilizadores, a
Canonical irá mudar seu paradigma.

Migrações para (K/X/L)Ubuntu são mais corriqueiras do que se pensa, e
essa migração acaba por manter a base de usuários do Ubuntu, já que
comungam dos mesmos repositórios.

O Kubuntu não está morrendo, a menos que seus usuários deixem que morra.


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Re: [Ubuntu-be] 14 February - 20:30 = short brainstorm on reapproval LoCo Team

2012-02-12 Thread Jurgen Gaeremyn

I guess so too... luckily Jean saw it in time... Here's a link stating it:

http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-be

Grtz,
Jurgen.

On 12-02-12 01:52, Jan Claeys wrote:
 Jurgen Gaeremyn schreef op do 09-02-2012 om 23:24 [+0100]:
 on the 16th, our LoCo has to be reapproved.
 
 Can somebody please explain what you mean?
 
 As the Loco Contact, I didn't get *any* mail about this (even checked my
 spam folder, etc.), while I should be the first point of contact...
 
 


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