[Bug 298431] Re: installation shrewsoft vpn client +gui crashes

2008-11-20 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
** Changed in: ike (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Invalid

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[Bug 298431] Re: installation shrewsoft vpn client +gui crashes

2008-11-18 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
It installs fine here.
Could you tell me if you have any other VPN packages running?

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Re: Do you really want developers to be on this list was (Re: Very bad status of hardware (especially wifi) support in ubuntu, due to the too many accumulated regressions)

2008-11-13 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Mackenzie Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 20:36 +1100, Sarah Hobbs wrote:
 Take the intel 3945 card, for example.  Vincenzo says it doesn't work
 for him, under various modes.  Various users on the forums have also
 mentioned that their systems don't work with these cards.

 However, other users on the forums, mailing lists, and a whole lot of
 the developers, including myself, have this card, and see that it works
 for them.  I personally haven't seen this break since I upgraded to
 gutsy back at the UDS in Sevilla, 2007 (ie, pre-alpha 1), and I use WPA,
 which seems to be one of the areas of complaint, otherwise without problems.

 In my experience, it does work fine with WPA.  It's WEP that's the
 issue.  It only works with WEP (properly) using iwconfig.  If you use
 NetworkManager, the key will *never* be accepted.  And if you use
 network-admin (gone in Intrepid), the key will be accepted, but it won't
 get an IP address.

And yet, my intel 3945 works fine with me with WEP  NetworkManager
both in Hardy and Intrepid. Don't forget there are multiple
sub-models of a given model.
Please report your detailled hardware information (lspci -vvnn) on
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/253697 (Intel
3945 Wireless in Hardy cannot negotiate WEP or WPA Keys) or/and
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/223174 (Intel
WLAN, 3945 (a/b/g) - low performance).

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Ubuntu Brainstorm 8.10 report

2008-11-02 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
Hello there!

I wrote a small document about Ubuntu Brainstorm trying to summarize
what's going on there (with a few stats), what you can expect from it,
a summary of the most wanted features from its users, and its impact.
I wrote this hoping to give to contributors and developers (not
limited to Ubuntu) some clues of the most asked features out there,
and what worries our users the most.

You can grab it here:
http://www.ndeschildre.net/downloads/UbuntuBrainstorm810Report.html

Cheers,
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[Bug 239513] Re: stack smashing detected when calling xmlrpc_set_type

2008-09-09 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
I confirm this bug, with php5-xmlrpc 5.2.4-2ubuntu5 !

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[Bug 239513] Re: stack smashing detected when calling xmlrpc_set_type

2008-09-09 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
Patch found on the original lib before the fork :

http://xmlrpc-epi.cvs.sourceforge.net/xmlrpc-
epi/xmlrpc/src/xmlrpc.c?r1=1.31r2=1.32

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[Bug 239513] Re: stack smashing detected when calling xmlrpc_set_type

2008-09-09 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
(Commit comment: Import Jeff Lawsons patches for XML datetime bug
fixes)

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[Bug 239513] Re: stack smashing detected when calling xmlrpc_set_type

2008-09-09 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
I confirm this bug, with php5-xmlrpc 5.2.4-2ubuntu5 !

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[Bug 239513] Re: stack smashing detected when calling xmlrpc_set_type

2008-09-09 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
Patch found on the original lib before the fork :

http://xmlrpc-epi.cvs.sourceforge.net/xmlrpc-
epi/xmlrpc/src/xmlrpc.c?r1=1.31r2=1.32

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[Bug 239513] Re: stack smashing detected when calling xmlrpc_set_type

2008-09-09 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
(Commit comment: Import Jeff Lawsons patches for XML datetime bug
fixes)

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[Bug 228396] Re: Brainstorm UTF encoding bug

2008-09-05 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
@ Andrew : corrected, thanks for the bugreport.

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[Bug 190521] Re: [hardy alpha4]rt61 wifi is not working, driver loading pb

2008-08-29 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
Issue resolved using the 2.6.27 kernel. (Not tested on 2.6.26).

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[Bug 190515] Re: [Hardy] Low bandwidth with rt2400 / rt2500 drivers

2008-08-29 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
The issue is not fixed in 2.6.27 for my rt2500 : still the same
symptoms. (I have not tested the 2.6.26)

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Re: [ubuntu-art] some artwork for Ubuntu Brainstorm

2008-08-06 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 8:26 PM, Thorsten Wilms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Here we go again:
 http://thorwil.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/process_06_set.jpg

 Tweaked the envelope and cogs. Added labels, tried a space saving
 layout.

Thanks!


 Alexi Helligar: your comment about a lack of presence made me reconsider
 my aiming firmly at a smooth and less comic-like look. So I added
 versions with stronger outlines, as a border shadow is no option because
 of perspective.

My preference goes to this set. I guess it's because I'm mainly using
KDE Crystal icons, which are using the same style. As for the width,
the long ones are still ok with me!

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[Bug 253150] Re: 111111111111111111 bug

2008-07-30 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
** Description changed:

- Hello ^^
+ Translated version:
+ Hi,
+ 
+ Sorry, I do not know english well, I'l forced to speak french.
+ 
+ There is a persisting bug that occurs in 7.10 and 8.04: Sometimes, when
+ I click on a random textfield (wordprocessing, webbrowser,...), Ubuntu
+ start writing 1s giving 11., impossible
+ to stop it unless I reboot. That occurs once every three days.
+ 
+ My config:
+ PC Intel Celeron 1.8 GHz - 512 Mo RAM - env. 80 Go + 160 Go HDD 
(Fujitsu-Siemens Scaleo L LI 2.8).
+ 
+ That problem already occured with my old computer with the same Ubuntu
+ Linux - a Intel Celeron 400 MHz - 512 Mo RAM, but that never occured on
+ a friend computer, a Intel Centrino 1.85 GHz 512 Mo RAM.
+ 
+ Any idea?
+ 
+ Thanks,
+ 
+ Olivier
+ 
+ 
+ === Original french version ==
+ 
+ 
+ Hello ^^ 
  
  Désolé, je ne connais pas assez l'anglais, je suis obligé de parler
  français.
  
  Il y a un bug qui persiste depuis la version 7.10 d'Ubuntu (et aussi sur
  la version actuelle 8.04). Parfois, lorsqu'on clique dans un champ de
  texte quelconque (traitement de texte, formulaires internet,
  navigateurs, etc, l'Ubuntu me saisit des caractères
  11 .., impossible de l'arrêter à part
  le redémarrage de l'ordinateur. Cela arrive une fois tous les 3 jours en
  moyenne.
  
  Ma configuration actuelle:
  PC Intel Celeron 1.8 GHz - 512 Mo RAM - env. 80 Go + 160 Go HDD 
(Fujitsu-Siemens Scaleo L LI 2.8).
  
  Ce problème a déjà apparu avec mon ancien ordinateur sous le même Linux
  Ubuntu - un Intel Celeron 400 MHz - 512 Mo RAM - mais n'est jamais
  apparu dans l'ordinateur d'une copine, un ordinateur portable Intel
  Centrino 1.85 GHz 512 Mo RAM. A croire que le Linux Ubuntu supporte mal
  les processeurs Intel Celeron.
  
  Pouvez-vous régler ce problème, SVP ?
  
  Merci ^^
  
  Olivier

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[Bug 243973] [NEW] Please sync ike 2.1.0+dfsg-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main).

2008-06-29 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
Public bug reported:

Binary package hint: ike

Please sync ike 2.1.0+dfsg-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)

Rationale:
New upstream revision improve compatibility with many commercial VPN 
servers.

** Affects: ike (Ubuntu)
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: New

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Question about Brainstorm Idea

2008-06-23 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 1:21 AM, Cory K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Salane Ashcraft wrote:
 Whats up with this?

 http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/384/

 Salane

 Nothing.

Some feedback I got around tends to make me think that, even if the
blueprints shows some activity some time ago, the project is dead.
Could someone clarify the status of this project, as I would like to
update its status on Brainstorm? Or even better, could the person in
charge of this project directly fill the developer comments field of
this brainstorm idea, and update its status?

Thanks,

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[Bug 232364] Re: dbus-launch freezes for unknown reason at session start

2008-06-20 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
Link to a similar fixed bugreport on opensuse:
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=361180
The problem was sidesteped, I don't know if this can be done as well here.

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[Bug 237746] Re: Update Hardy LBM to use upstream wireless-compat stack

2008-06-12 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
I reported my Oops to the linux wireless ML, the issue was in fact fixed
today (06-12).

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[Bug 237746] Re: Update Hardy LBM to use upstream wireless-compat stack

2008-06-10 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
Ok, I just tested with an rt2500 with linux-backports-
modules-2.6.24-19.18ubuntu2 .

It's unfortunately a regression for me: no more able to associate in WEP
with my AP. Here is the dmesg output.

[  249.377075] wlan1: authenticate with AP 00:09:5b:eb:32:20
[  249.575709] wlan1: authenticate with AP 00:09:5b:eb:32:20
[  249.775647] wlan1: authenticate with AP 00:09:5b:eb:32:20
[  249.975592] wlan1: authentication with AP 00:09:5b:eb:32:20 timed out
[  260.109914] wlan1: Initial auth_alg=0
[  260.109928] wlan1: authenticate with AP 00:09:5b:eb:32:20
[  260.308568] wlan1: authenticate with AP 00:09:5b:eb:32:20
[  260.508504] wlan1: authenticate with AP 00:09:5b:eb:32:20
[  260.708447] wlan1: authentication with AP 00:09:5b:eb:32:20 timed out
[  270.842764] wlan1: Initial auth_alg=0
[  270.842779] wlan1: authenticate with AP 00:09:5b:eb:32:20
[  271.041425] wlan1: authenticate with AP 00:09:5b:eb:32:20
[  271.241361] wlan1: authenticate with AP 00:09:5b:eb:32:20
[  271.441302] wlan1: authentication with AP 00:09:5b:eb:32:20 timed out
[  281.575654] wlan1: Initial auth_alg=0
[  281.575668] wlan1: authenticate with AP 00:09:5b:eb:32:20


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[Bug 237746] Re: Update Hardy LBM to use upstream wireless-compat stack

2008-06-10 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
Second regression with a rt73 chip: When unplugging it, I get the
following oops :

[  703.840132] usb 3-3: USB disconnect, address 2
[  703.840623] phy1 - rt2x00usb_vendor_request: Error - Vendor Request 0x07 
failed for offset 0x3040 with error -19.
[  703.840636] phy1 - rt2x00usb_vendor_request: Error - Vendor Request 0x06 
failed for offset 0x3040 with error -19.
[  703.840646] phy1 - rt2x00usb_vendor_request: Error - Vendor Request 0x06 
failed for offset 0x3028 with error -19.
[  703.840655] phy1 - rt2x00usb_vendor_request: Error - Vendor Request 0x06 
failed for offset 0x3064 with error -19.
[  703.840663] phy1 - rt2x00usb_vendor_request: Error - Vendor Request 0x0c 
failed for offset 0x with error -19.
[  703.840699] BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 
f182
[  703.840706] printing eip: e089fee4 *pde =  
[  703.840714] Oops:  [#1] SMP 
[  703.840720] Modules linked in: rt2500usb rt73usb crc_itu_t rt2x00usb 
af_packet arc4 ecb blkcipher rt2500pci rt2x00pci rt2x00lib rfkill input_polldev 
mac80211 cfg80211 eeprom_93cx6 ipv6 rfcomm l2cap bluetooth ppdev powernow_k8 
cpufreq_userspace cpufreq_powersave cpufreq_conservative cpufreq_ondemand 
cpufreq_stats freq_table sbs dock sbshc iptable_filter ip_tables x_tables lp 
joydev pcmcia evdev parport_pc parport snd_intel8x0 snd_ac97_codec ac97_bus 
snd_pcm_oss snd_mixer_oss psmouse serio_raw snd_pcm video output battery 
container ac snd_seq_dummy yenta_socket rsrc_nonstatic pcmcia_core snd_seq_oss 
snd_seq_midi snd_rawmidi pcspkr wmi_acer snd_seq_midi_event snd_seq k8temp 
button snd_timer snd_seq_device snd soundcore snd_page_alloc shpchp pci_hotplug 
amd64_agp agpgart i2c_nforce2 i2c_core ext3 jbd mbcache sg sr_mod cdrom sd_mod 
pata_amd ata_generic pata_acpi 8139too 8139cp mii libata scsi_mod ehci_hcd 
ohci_hcd usbcore thermal processor fan fbcon tileblit font bitblit softcursor 
fuse
[  703.840836] 
[  703.840841] Pid: 1439, comm: khubd Not tainted (2.6.24-19-generic #1)
[  703.840847] EIP: 0060:[e089fee4] EFLAGS: 00010286 CPU: 0
[  703.840896] EIP is at usb_kill_urb+0x14/0xd0 [usbcore]
[  703.840901] EAX:  EBX: f15a ECX: 0282 EDX: ddf6
[  703.840907] ESI: 0002 EDI: deb98e40 EBP: deb98e40 ESP: ddf61e10
[  703.840913]  DS: 007b ES: 007b FS: 00d8 GS:  SS: 0068
[  703.840918] Process khubd (pid: 1439, ti=ddf6 task=dde5f140 
task.ti=ddf6)
[  703.840923] Stack:  0040 000c ddf61e8c ded74e00 0028 
0002 e0c30796 
[  703.840936]    01f4 ddf61e8c 
ded74e00 deb98180 
[  703.840947]e0c22dd8 3064 ddf61e8c 0004 01f4 0287 
c01a5201 0003 
[  703.840959] Call Trace:
[  703.840991]  [e0c30796] rt2x00usb_disable_radio+0x96/0xc0 [rt2x00usb]
[  703.841038]  [e0c22dd8] rt73usb_set_device_state+0xe18/0x1050 [rt73usb]
[  703.841071]  [c01a5201] find_inode+0x31/0x60
[  703.841133]  [e0c12482] rt2x00lib_disable_radio+0x52/0x80 [rt2x00lib]
[  703.841154]  [e0c124bd] rt2x00lib_remove_dev+0xd/0x40 [rt2x00lib]
[  703.841173]  [e0c309b0] rt2x00usb_disconnect+0x20/0x60 [rt2x00usb]
[  703.841202]  [e08a36b0] usb_unbind_interface+0x50/0xb0 [usbcore]
[  703.841267]  [c0282644] __device_release_driver+0x64/0xa0
[  703.841287]  [c0282ab3] device_release_driver+0x23/0x40
[  703.841300]  [c0281f1b] bus_remove_device+0x4b/0x70
[  703.841313]  [c02804f5] device_del+0x135/0x250
[  703.841342]  [e08a07f0] usb_disable_device+0x80/0xf0 [usbcore]
[  703.841402]  [e089c3d8] usb_disconnect+0x98/0x130 [usbcore]
[  703.841485]  [e089d857] hub_thread+0x447/0xcb0 [usbcore]
[  703.841633]  [c0140c20] autoremove_wake_function+0x0/0x40
[  703.841676]  [e089d410] hub_thread+0x0/0xcb0 [usbcore]
[  703.841721]  [c0140962] kthread+0x42/0x70
[  703.841728]  [c0140920] kthread+0x0/0x70
[  703.841743]  [c0105677] kernel_thread_helper+0x7/0x10
[  703.841776]  ===
[  703.841780] Code: 8b 48 2c b2 d5 85 c9 74 e7 b2 98 e9 67 fe ff ff 8d b4 26 
00 00 00 00 56 53 89 c3 83 ec 14 e8 54 af a7 df 85 db 0f 84 ad 00 00 00 8b 43 
28 85 c0 0f 84 a2 00 00 00 8b 43 2c 85 c0 0f 84 97 00 00 
[  703.841832] EIP: [e089fee4] usb_kill_urb+0x14/0xd0 [usbcore] SS:ESP 
0068:ddf61e10

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[Bug 237746] Re: Update Hardy LBM to use upstream wireless-compat stack

2008-06-10 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
This oops excepted, the rt73usb driver is still working wonderfully, and
associating in WEP.

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[Bug 238601] [NEW] iwlwifi_mac80211 mac80211 incompatibility

2008-06-09 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
Public bug reported:

Hi!

I'm using Linux ubuntu 2.6.24-18-generic #1 SMP Wed May 28 20:27:26 UTC 2008 
i686 GNU/Linux.
The problem is that the iwlwifi_mac80211  mac80211 modules can't be 
simultaneously loaded.
Error reported by dmesg:
[30211.198980] ieee80211_init: failed to initialize WME (err=-17)

Steps to reproduce:
sudo modprobe mac80211
sudo modprobe iwlwifi_mac80211

Consequences:
Inability to load simultaneously some wifi drivers. (The iwlwifi drivers along 
others wifi driver using the mac80211 stack). See e.g. bug 194887.

** Affects: linux (Ubuntu)
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: New

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[Bug 238601] Re: iwlwifi_mac80211 mac80211 incompatibility

2008-06-09 Thread Nicolas Deschildre

** Attachment added: uname-a.log
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[Bug 238601] Re: iwlwifi_mac80211 mac80211 incompatibility

2008-06-09 Thread Nicolas Deschildre

** Attachment added: lspci-vvnn.log
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[Bug 238601] Re: iwlwifi_mac80211 mac80211 incompatibility

2008-06-09 Thread Nicolas Deschildre

** Attachment added: dmesg.log
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[Bug 238601] Re: iwlwifi_mac80211 mac80211 incompatibility

2008-06-09 Thread Nicolas Deschildre

** Attachment added: version.log
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[Bug 237746] Re: Update Hardy LBM to use upstream wireless-compat stack

2008-06-09 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
Hi!

Using your PPA up to date (with linux-backports-modules-2.6.24 -
2.6.24-19.18ubuntu1 , linux - 2.6.24-19.33ubuntu11, linux-restricted-
modules-2.6.24 - 2.6.24.13-19.42ubuntu2, linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 -
2.6.24-19.27ubuntu2), I get symbols error when trying to load the
rt2500pci or rt61pci module:

mac80211: Unknown symbol ieee802_1d_to_ac
mac80211: Unknown symbol ieee80211_wme_unregister
mac80211: Unknown symbol ieee80211_ht_agg_gueue_remove
mac80211: Unknown symbol ieee80211_install_qdisc
mac80211: Unknown symbol ieee80211_requeue
mac80211: Unknown symbol ieee80211_wme_register
mac80211: Unknown symbol ieee80211_ht_agg_queue_add
rt2x00lib: Unknown symbol ieee80211_register_hw


Thanks,

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[Bug 135356] Re: Always 100% CPU usage

2008-05-21 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
** Changed in: linux-source-2.6.22 (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: Nicolas Deschildre (ndeschildre) = (unassigned)

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[Bug 162246] Re: no sound, wifi and webcam on Acer aspire 5520G

2008-05-21 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
** Changed in: ubuntu
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[Bug 190515] Re: [Hardy] Low bandwidth with rt2400 / rt2500 drivers

2008-05-20 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
I confirm this bug is *not* fixed with linux-backports-
modules-2.6.24-16-generic (version 2.6.24-16.14). The rate is still 1M
by default.

According to this relevant upstream discussion: 
http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=5t=4579st=0sk=tsd=astart=30
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Re: [ubuntu-art] some artwork for Ubuntu Brainstorm

2008-05-12 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 9:52 PM, Thorsten Wilms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 17:50 +0200, Nicolas Deschildre wrote:

  The weather was so damn good and diggers know what else I have been busy
  with ;)

Due to exceptionally good weather these last days, I guess we can
forecast a slowdown in FOSS contribution for everyone :)



   POST: I like the idea bulb, as it's part of the logo :) Maybe a
   combinaison of the bulb and a letter (3rd sketch put on top on the
   first sketch)?

  I'm slightly concerned the doubling of the bulb in logo and icon might
  become overbearing, but made a few variants.

Arg. Difficult choice, I like them all four :)
Hmm...
Hmm...
I'll pick the second one, because of the letter (post symbol) and of
higher area for the idea bulb.



   VOTE: To link with the current UI, I think the fourth sketch is the
   best! You can reuse the existing arrows, if you want (unfortunately I
   don't think I have the source... I may look and ask, if you want)

  The original might come handy.

I'll ask around for them.



   DISCUSS: The second sketch is a common symbol for discussion!
   SEE: An hard one! A good symbol is not obvious. Shall we try with the 
 fifth one?

  Didn't feel comfortable with that guy, so I looked in the other
  direction: something to see that implies work is going on.

Yes indeed the meaning of the gears symbol is more obvious than the
one of our friend Bob (?) !



   PARTICIPATE: I like the first sketch! It's a good use of one of the
   Ubuntu symbols!

  If the trademark police doesn't step in ... so I added another option.

As discussed on IRC, I'll let you know as soon as I have the answer
from the trademarks people.



  http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2008/05/11/ubuntu-brainstorm-help-2/

Thanks for your (art)work,

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Re: Brainstorm ML and Ubuntu's own summer of code?

2008-04-30 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
I wrote a blueprint on this Summer-of-code-like event. If anyone is
interested to comment, discuss... it's here:

https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-own-summer-of-code/

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[ubuntu-art] some artwork for Ubuntu Brainstorm

2008-04-26 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
Hi!

Work on the Brainstorm website is still ongoing,  and right
now we are working on a basic Help page, small and simple, that should
introduce a new user to Brainstorm. And as you know, a drawing is
worth a thousands words :)
So I'm here to ask you for a little artwork help.

Here are the lines of the project:
* The goal of the artwork is to present how Brainstorm works.
- The not-yet-definitive contents of the page are at
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brainstorm/How_Brainstorm_works. The page will
be directly hosted on brainstorm. At the moment, it is
hosted the wiki for easier team editing sessions.
- There are five paragraphs, each one defining a step in the
Brainstorm process. Each of these steps can be linked each other:
POST = VOTE = DISCUSS = SEE
___= PARTICIPATE.
- The idea I have for the artwork is one similar to the artwork in the
front page of http://www.ideastorm.com/ : drawings and arrows. Here the
process described in the drawing is pretty clear. We could use the
same pattern, except that we would add a new PARTICIPATE drawing,
connected with an arrow with DISCUSS, as shown above. And each of the
drawings describing a step would be linked to the
corresponding paragraphs.
= But I'm open to others ideas.
- All the text and the artwork would be put on an single Help page,
which would be linked from Brainstorm front page: the drawing would
not be put on the front page itself. Thus, the height of the drawing
is not limited. The width should be limited to 650, to be able to view
it on the Brainstorm theme in 1024x768.
- Any suggestions, please tell me :)

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Brainstorm ML and Ubuntu's own summer of code?

2008-04-24 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
Hi!

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Hardy is now out, and the UDS and FOSScamp are next. The ideas at the
Ubuntu Brainstorm website will, or will not be a great source of
inspiration during these events, we will see.

Meanwhile, if you are interested as an Ubuntu developer to discuss how
to make the website more efficient for you, to discuss its mechanism,
or if you are interested as a Brainstorm moderator to comment your
tools, please join the new Brainstorm Mailing list at
https://launchpad.net/~brainstorm-dev.

I would also like to take this opportunity to introduce an idea that I
see as a natural follow-up to the Brainstorm website: an event similar
to the Google Summer of Code, that would be launched every development
cycle. Basically the concept would be similar to GSoC except that the
motivation factor would not be money but the fact that the
contribution would be included in Ubuntu's next version (granted it is
completed on time). The event would cover Ubuntu extensions, and
involves coding, but also packaging, documentation, i18n,  A
proposed schedule would be: selection of tasks at the UDS, one month
for the pupils selection process, and the time remaining before
feature freeze to complete the tasks. Finally, to make potential
contributors benefit from it, the pupils would be asked to put
online a report where they would explain how they worked.
That's a rough idea yet that I'd like to discuss at the FOSScamp if
people are interested. Please comment :)

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Re: Brainstorm ML and Ubuntu's own summer of code?

2008-04-24 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Christian Csar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Finally, to make potential
  contributors benefit from it, the pupils would be asked to put
  online a report where they would explain how they worked.
 
  Who is being defined as a contributor here? Isn't this an organized program
 to encourage students to contribute? Or am I missing something.
  Although having a list of tasks seems likely to improve contribution as it
 makes things well defined.

For this event, I would not see why we should limit the contributor
definition to students... Anyone could pretend for a task.


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Re: Brainstorm ML and Ubuntu's own summer of code?

2008-04-24 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 9:52 PM, Alan McGovern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I'm speaking as someone who has taken part in the SoC as both a
  student and a mentor. From what i've seen, a SoC project always ends
  with the possibility of your code being bundled as part of a
  distribution or as part of an existing application. There's also the
  added bonus that you will be paid to do that. Taking mono as an
  example, at least 2/3's of the 2006 projects ended up shipping in
  various Linux distros or as part of mono itself. A similar percentage
  of the 2007 projects resulted in actively shipped code aswell. I'd
  like to think that this is one of the primary motivation factors in
  the SoC, with money being the added bonus. So the ubuntu SoC doesn't
  offer anything more than the google SoC does.

It does not really offer anything more for the mentorees. But for the
organizer, it obviously offers a much greater flexibility: dates
adapted to the development cycle, choice of the number, contents and
type of tasks (not only code tasks), control over the processes,...

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[Bug 218219] Re: gnome-settings-daemon errors with hardy 2.6.24-16

2008-04-22 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Confirmed

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[Bug 185157] Re: There was an error starting the GNOME Settings Daemon

2008-04-22 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
I confirm this on the final candidate Hardy image (080422.2)

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[Bug 194945] Re: [Hardy]GNOME Settings Daemon causes error on startup

2008-04-22 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 185157 ***
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/185157

** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 185157
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Re: [Bug 190515] Re: [Hardy] Low bandwidth with rt2400 / rt2500 drivers

2008-03-27 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
Nice!
Let's hope the patchset will be considered stable enough for inclusion...

On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 12:46 AM, Leann Ogasawara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Nicolas,

  Just wanted to let you know that one of the Ubuntu kernel team devs has
  a patchset to bring the rt2x00 code in Hardy uptodate with what upstream
  has.  It is currently being discussed since we are in Beta Freeze for
  Hardy and almost at the kernel freeze.  If it does get pulled in,
  hopefully it may help resolve this issue.  Thanks.

  ** Changed in: linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 (Ubuntu)
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Status: Incomplete = Triaged



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[Bug 203705] Re: iwl3945 fails to connect to MR814 access point

2008-03-20 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
I can confirm with linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-7-generic using iwl3945 :
I can barely see any APs (from 0 to 1 when I usually see around 10) and
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[Bug 190515] Re: [Hardy] Low bandwidth with rt2400 / rt2500 drivers

2008-03-13 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
Could a switch to the legacy drivers be considered at this point for the
rt2400/2500 hardware, knowing that the legacy drivers have worked great
on previous releases, and that the 2.6.24 rt2x00 won't be fixed (cf
previous posts)?

I'll redo some tests, but IIRC, the range of the wifi link was also
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Re: [Bug 190515] Re: [Hardy] Backport rt2400/rt2500 drivers

2008-03-11 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
When I asked him, he said he was not doing any backporting unless it
was a segfault.
(http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4579start=14).

On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 10:23 PM, Leann Ogasawara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Guys,

  Do you by chance have a pointer to the upstream patch that went into
  2.6.25 to resolve this?  I didn't see anything in the upstream thread
  and it would be helpful to the kernel team.  Thanks.

  ** Changed in: linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 190515] Re: [Hardy alpha 4] Wrong bandwidth with rt2400/rt2500

2008-03-07 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu)
Sourcepackagename: linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 = linux

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[Bug 190521] Re: [hardy alpha4]rt61 wifi is not working, driver loading pb

2008-03-07 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
Here it is.


** Attachment added: lspci-vvnn.log
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[Bug 190521] Re: [hardy alpha4]rt61 wifi is not working, driver loading pb

2008-03-07 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
Hmmph, Just realized I lspci'ed after I removed the rt61 card... I'll
correct that tonight

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[Bug 190521] Re: [hardy alpha4]rt61 wifi is not working, driver loading pb

2008-03-07 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
Revelant upstream discussion:
http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4628

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[Bug 197432] Re: broken edit link in brainstorm

2008-03-03 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
We will have to correct that soon...

** Changed in: ubuntu-qa-website
   Importance: Undecided = Medium
   Status: New = Confirmed

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[Bug 196656] Re: Cannot edit ideas in Ubuntu brainstorm

2008-02-28 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
You're right, that was the origin of the bug!
Shame on us, we didn't test this usecase.

It will be uploaded and fixed tomorrow!

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[Bug 190515] Re: [Hardy alpha 4] Wrong bandwidth with rt2400/rt2500

2008-02-26 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
Revelant discussion here:
http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=28726#28726

Upstream fixed this in 2.6.25 but will not backport it.

So shall we close this bugreport as won'tfix?

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[Bug 190515] Re: [Hardy alpha 4] Wrong bandwidth with rt2400/rt2500

2008-02-25 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
You've got 54 Mbs directly because you are using a different driver.

rt2500-source = legacy driver (driver name: rt2500).

The driver shipped with hardy is part of the rt2x00 set, included in the
kernel tree (driver name: rt2500pci)

See http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Downloads

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[Bug 190521] Re: [hardy alpha4]rt61 wifi is not working, driver loading pb

2008-02-20 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
Same behavior on 2.6.24-8.

Here are the files:

** Attachment added: dmesg.log
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[Bug 190521] Re: [hardy alpha4]rt61 wifi is not working, driver loading pb

2008-02-20 Thread Nicolas Deschildre

** Attachment added: lspci-vvnn.log
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12124648/lspci-vvnn.log

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[Bug 190521] Re: [hardy alpha4]rt61 wifi is not working, driver loading pb

2008-02-20 Thread Nicolas Deschildre

** Attachment added: uname-a.log
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12124652/uname-a.log

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[Bug 190521] Re: [hardy alpha4]rt61 wifi is not working, driver loading pb

2008-02-20 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
After I have inserted the rt61 and its kernel: [ 5303.377995] phy7 - 
rt61pci_enable_radio: Error - Register initialization failed,
I plugged an rt73 and unplugged the rt61 to connect to wifi. So please 
disregard the output in dmesg after the rt61pci_enable_radio.


I'll try to debug the module and ask upstream about it.

Nicolas

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[Bug 190515] [NEW] [hardy alpha4]rt2500 works, but slowly

2008-02-09 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
Public bug reported:

Binary package hint: linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-5-generic

I'm using hardy alpha 4 (on Linux nand-laptop 2.6.24-5-generic #1 SMP Thu Jan 
24 19:45:21 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux ) and I was testing a PCMCIA rt2500 card :
 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: RaLink RT2500 802.11g Cardbus/mini-PCI 
[1814:0201] (rev 01)
with WEP encryption, near the AP :
wlan0 IEEE 802.11g  ESSID:DartyBox_005c  
  Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.462 GHz  Access Point: 00:09:5B:EB:32:20   
  Bit Rate=1 Mb/s   Tx-Power=27 dBm   
  Retry min limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr=2346 B   
  Link Quality=43/100  Signal level=-54 dBm  
  Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
  Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0


The connection is working, but slowly (40 kb/s). It's due to the bit rate being 
set to 1Mb/s. If I manually set the rate to 54Mb/s, then I got the 900 kb/s I 
expect from my AP.

I have also tested with one other RT based I have, a RT73 one, and the
bit rate goes automatically to 54Mb/s...

** Affects: linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 (Ubuntu)
 Importance: Undecided
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[Bug 190521] [NEW] [hardy alpha4]rt61 wifi is not working, driver loading pb

2008-02-09 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
Public bug reported:

I'm using hardy alpha 4 (on Linux nand-laptop 2.6.24-5-generic #1 SMP Thu Jan 
24 19:45:21 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux ) and I was testing a PCMCIA rt61 card :
03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: RaLink RT2561/RT61 rev B 802.11g [1814:0302]
the driver seems loaded :
wlan1 IEEE 802.11g  ESSID:  
  Mode:Managed  Channel:0  Access Point: Not-Associated   
  Tx-Power=0 dBm   
  Retry min limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr=2346 B   
  Link Quality:0  Signal level:0  Noise level:0
  Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
  Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0

but I got the following /var/log/messages :

Feb  9 18:50:31 nand-laptop NetworkManager: debug [1202579431.311645] 
nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is 
'/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/pci_1814_302'). 
Feb  9 18:50:31 nand-laptop NetworkManager: debug [1202579431.326118] 
nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is 
'/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/net_00_15_e9_ae_f9_d9'). 
Feb  9 18:50:31 nand-laptop NetworkManager: debug [1202579431.343020] 
nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is 
'/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/net_00_15_e9_ae_f9_d9_0'). 
Feb  9 18:50:31 nand-laptop kernel: [ 5303.377995] phy7 - 
rt61pci_enable_radio: Error - Register initialization failed.
Feb  9 18:50:33 nand-laptop NetworkManager: info  wlan1: Device is 
fully-supported using driver 'rt61pci'. 
Feb  9 18:50:33 nand-laptop NetworkManager: info  nm_device_init(): waiting 
for device's worker thread to start 
Feb  9 18:50:33 nand-laptop NetworkManager: info  nm_device_init(): device's 
worker thread started, continuing. 
Feb  9 18:50:33 nand-laptop NetworkManager: info  Now managing wireless 
(802.11) device 'wlan1'. 
Feb  9 18:50:33 nand-laptop NetworkManager: info  Deactivating device wlan1. 
Feb  9 18:50:33 nand-laptop kernel: [ 5305.498437] phy7 - 
rt61pci_enable_radio: Error - Register initialization failed.
Feb  9 18:50:35 nand-laptop NetworkManager: WARN  
nm_device_802_11_wireless_scan(): could not trigger wireless scan on device 
wlan1: Network is down 
Feb  9 18:50:55 nand-laptop kernel: [ 5327.607745] phy7 - 
rt61pci_enable_radio: Error - Register initialization failed.
Feb  9 18:50:57 nand-laptop NetworkManager: WARN  
nm_device_802_11_wireless_scan(): could not trigger wireless scan on device 
wlan1: Network is down

Thus no network are scanned 
sudo iwlist wlan1 scanning
wlan1 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down

** Affects: linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 176333] Re: ike: FTBFS in hppa arch + missing dependancy between ike and ike-qtgui

2008-02-08 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
Here you are! Debdiff included.

** Attachment added: ike-ubuntu2-2.debdiff
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[Bug 176333] Re: ike: FTBFS in hppa arch + missing dependancy between ike and ike-qtgui

2008-01-27 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
Hi!
I'm back with a new machine capable of running some virtual machines.
I have tested in hardy, it build and add the dependancy. Now I hope it will fix 
the hppa-specific bug!

Thanks
Nicolas

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[Bug 186279] Re: Desktop effects enabled no borders on windows

2008-01-27 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
Thanks for your bugreport!
The windows border dissapearing when the Windows Effects are activated means 
that the software controlling the windows effects has crashed.
This is not uncommon as these windows effects were released as a technology 
preview when feisty was out, and it was not considered stable. If I remember 
correctly, a warning was written on the windows effect window.
So you can either disable the windows effects, or upgrade to Ubuntu gutsy.

** Changed in: compiz (Ubuntu)
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu Idea Brainstorming Image Links (large)

2008-01-11 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
On Jan 10, 2008 1:34 PM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi!

 A first set:
 http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2008/01/10/ubuntu-idea-brainstorming-image-links/

Thanks!
I particularly like the FG sample. With the higher contrast and the
big size, the title and votes jump to the eye (free translation from
french). The goal of the image link is clearly noticeable : click to
add your vote! I would probably decrease a little bit the xx votes,
add yours font size, as the xx part may contains reasonably up to 5
digits (number based on ideastorm samples).
I also like the big logo on the other samples, but unfortunately it is
a compromise with text space, so we can't make it too big... Also as
avatin mentionned, a small padding around the top text looks better.
So on the overall, I like FG :)

As for the small ones, I like AB because it has a big logo, more
easily noticeable on such little imgs, and because of the title
wrapped on three lines (and thus a higher font size that the others
candidates).
The CD idea is nice, but for such a little size, given that's it's
already not easy to read, here it's beginning to be unreadable :)

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu Idea Brainstorming Image Links (large)

2008-01-11 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
On Jan 11, 2008 1:56 PM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Nicolas Deschildre wrote:

 Here  we go :)
 http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2008/01/11/ubuntu-idea-brainstorming-image-links-3/

Perfect!
My turn now to work with the adaptive font size :)
Could you provide me the font and font sizes (max and min) you used?

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Re: A Look at the Ubuntu Installer

2008-01-08 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
Very nice review, a lot of attention to detail.

Let's hope it won't be forgotten in the depth of the ML, like many
other great things... Have you directly contacted the authors?

Nicolas

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 I did a walk-through and compiled issues, suggestions and several
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 http://thorwil.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/ubuntu_installer_thorwil.pdf

 Any comments welcome. I'm willing to refine things where and if there's
 interest. I could file requests if that's deemed helpful.

 The document is actually a bit older, but I decided to wait past the
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Most Hated Bug continued

2008-01-07 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
On Jan 5, 2008 8:12 PM, Thorsten Wilms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sat, 2008-01-05 at 18:37 +0100, Nicolas Deschildre wrote:

   http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2008/01/05/ubuntu-brainstorm-7/
 
  I like the new one, I adopt it! (My preference goes to the second
  shading, which gives a bit of relief.)
  Thanks again for your work and patience.

 You're welcome :)
 (Files send off list)

As promised, here they are :

- Idea brainstorming logo:
http://www.ndeschildre.net/imgs/ubuntu_logo-bulb_02_75px.png
http://www.ndeschildre.net/imgs/ubuntu_logo-bulb_02_75px.svg
- Most annoying bugs logo:
http://www.ndeschildre.net/imgs/ubuntu_most_hated_bugs_05_75px.jpg
http://www.ndeschildre.net/imgs/ubuntu_most_hated_bugs_05_75px.png
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Most Hated Bug continued

2008-01-05 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
On Jan 5, 2008 5:38 PM, Thorsten Wilms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 OK (we talked about this on IRC):
 http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2008/01/05/ubuntu-brainstorm-7/

I like the new one, I adopt it! (My preference goes to the second
shading, which gives a bit of relief.)
Thanks again for your work and patience.

Now if you are ok with it (or anyone else :) ), I have a last artwork
request : the image links.
An image link is a image template, which will contains the logo you
just did, and some text dynamically added with GD, such as the
bug/idea title and number of votes. Their purpose is to be published
on external Ubuntu and non-Ubuntu contexts websites and forums to
promote an idea or a hated bug. A user clicking on them will be then
redirected to the idea/bug page. See for example [1], with some
concept images.

What I had in mind ATM was one big image link, around 300x80,
containing the title of the
idea/bug and the number of votes. This one is essentially expected to
be inserted in a forum, a forum signature, and eventually as a banner
in a website.
A second one would be much smaller, e.g. 120x40, and is expected to be
put on websites as a sign of support of the idea/bug. A bit like the
GetFirefox images links. At least the title shall be inserted, to
identify what we are supporting :)

Now to the constraints : The target audience is the general Ubuntu
user, noob to power user. The given sizes are not mandatory, you can
toy with them. The image links must contain their respective logos,
and areas where the bug/idea title and number of votes will be
inserted (number of votes not mandatory for the small one). The
bug/idea title lengh is max 80, but I can make the font size decrease
as the text lenght increase. Any Freefont 2 font can be used. Finally,
you can add any static text on it, like vote for my idea, help me
highlight this bug, as long as it remains obvious.

If you are ok with it, thanks and good luck! Any question, don't
hesitate to ask.

Nicolas

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Most Hated Bug continued

2008-01-05 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
On Jan 5, 2008 6:37 PM, Nicolas Deschildre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Now to the constraints : The target audience is the general Ubuntu
 user, noob to power user. The given sizes are not mandatory, you can
 toy with them. The image links must contain their respective logos,
 and areas where the bug/idea title and number of votes will be
 inserted (number of votes not mandatory for the small one). The
 bug/idea title lengh is max 80, but I can make the font size decrease
 as the text lenght increase. Any Freefont 2 font can be used. Finally,
 you can add any static text on it, like vote for my idea, help me
 highlight this bug, as long as it remains obvious.

I just forgot : the names for the websites have been chosen :
- Ubuntu most annoying bugs at vote-bugs.ubuntu.com (we wanted to
avoid the use of hatred words)
- Ubuntu idea brainstorming at vote-ideas.ubuntu.com
It may help for the static texts.

Nicolas



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Re: [ubuntu-art] Most Hated Bug continued

2008-01-04 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
On Jan 4, 2008 12:59 PM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi!

 No access to my archive here - new thread.

 A new bug, based on the likely most hated real life bug ;)
 Plus shading.

 http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2008/01/04/ubuntu-brainstorm-6/

 Please tell me:
 - is the bug recognizable (being a bug, not the exact species)?
 - which shading do you prefer?
 - is there anything I should change?

Whenever I think something really nice, you make it better :)
The shading is really nice (especially the fourth one), and it is
looking, well, real!
But I have a weird feeling on them. It's like they are carrying a
third meaning. First is Ubuntu, second is the most hated part, and
the third is an artistic connotation: it is too ... real-like, like it
was drawn with pencils and then scanned! I think it is mainly the bug
which gives me this feeling. When I see a logo drawn like this like
with pencils, it gives an artistic connotation and I will expect the
website to be somehow artwork-related. At the contrary, the logo you
made for Ubuntu idea brainstorming does not give me this feeling at
all.
I'm not sure if I'm clear, this part was hard for me to write.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Most Hated Bug continued

2008-01-04 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
On Jan 4, 2008 8:57 PM, Donn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What the heck - some more hated bug ideas.
 \d

Thanks for your mockups!
I'm looking at their meanings but I'm still feeling the arrows are the
best symbols yet to express the most hated part of the message we
want to deliver. Here this part of the message is not obvious at all.
The bug in the Ubuntu battery is original, but the most hated part
of the message is also missing.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Most Hated Bug continued

2008-01-04 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
On Jan 4, 2008 9:48 PM, Troy James Sobotka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Nicolas Deschildre wrote:
  When I see a logo drawn like this like
  with pencils, it gives an artistic connotation and I will expect the
  website to be somehow artwork-related.

 Ignore your feelings.  You are beginning to fall into the
 FOSS trap when it comes to art and design - the avoiding
 of anything that creates any sort of emotional attachment.

 The presentation on a website is a far cry from an
 agnostic api or tidbit of code.  Even if the random
 speculation were relevant or accurate, it would be
 another discussion altogether on whether there were
 merits in the association.

Ok I see your point... I'm not usually involved into interacting with
artists for artwork, so thanks for the tips.


 It is your site, but beware -- the art direction decisions
 you are choosing will have a noted impact on adoption,
 usage, and resulting success.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] artwork for the Ubuntu idea brainstorming website

2008-01-02 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
On Jan 2, 2008 10:09 PM, Thorsten Wilms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Tue, 2008-01-01 at 23:31 +0100, Nicolas Deschildre wrote:

 http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2008/01/02/ubuntu-brainstorm-5/
 I prefer the old version. Of course I could try some tweaking.

I agree. In the second one, the arrows seems too ... massive IMO. In
the third, the meaning of the arrows is not obvious. The old one looks
better. I adopt it!

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Re: [ubuntu-art] artwork for the Ubuntu idea brainstorming website

2007-12-30 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
On Dec 29, 2007 9:24 PM, Thorsten Wilms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Fri, 2007-12-28 at 22:32 +0100, Nicolas Deschildre wrote:

  The QA team and I have been developing the future Ubuntu idea
  brainstorming website, codenamed tokamak (cf blueprint [1]). Another
  separate module will also track the most hated bug by allowing to vote
  for them. The website is beginning to mature, and we have a test
  server here [2].

  So I would be very glad and thankful if someone could help me with that!

 Just a collection of sketches for a start:
 http://thorwil.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/brainstorm_bugs_sketches_01_si.png

 I'd be fine with others taking any of the ideas to run with it.

Thanks for the nice sketches!
I particularly like the light bulb in the 3D Ubuntu logo because it
carries the meaning. It makes the association of the two symbols of
Ubuntu and idea, and it's like the idea bulb is growing inside Ubuntu.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] artwork for the Ubuntu idea brainstorming website

2007-12-30 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
On Dec 30, 2007 9:32 PM, Troy James Sobotka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Nicolas Deschildre wrote:
  But I must say the first impression it gives me it that it is intended
  for kids.

 It was intended to be whimsical and circus like, as anyone who has
 ever been around Ubuntu discussions knows that they rapidly turn
 into a circus.

Interesting interpretation :)


  I particularly [sic] light bulb in the 3D Ubuntu logo because it
  carries the meaning.

 Am I far off with the following guesses?

 1 - The two features in question are attempting to attract
 a casual Ubuntu user.  Stern and serious undertones?
 2 - The site patrons are already on a site that is Ubuntu
 oriented, is putting more branding a necessary requirement?
 How about a singular lightbulb with a more subtle Ubuntu
 coloured glow, as per the Flask?

 Any further information would help to optimize the time...

Ok I'll try to describe it more:
The targeted audience are all Ubuntu users, from first-time users to
power users, so a serious tone is appropriate.
The logos should clearly identify the purpose of the modules and show
the Ubuntu brand. For at least two reasons :
The same logo will probably be used on the image links I described,
and they will be inserted in various non-Ubuntu contexts (E.g. forum
signatures). And IMO a large proportion of the visits to the idea
module will come from non-Ubuntu contexts.
The logos and image links should also stay in the traditional Ubuntu
palette, black-brown-red-yellow, to be coherent with the Ubuntu theme.

That's all I have in mind right now, if you have any other question,
please don't hesitate to ask.

Nicolas

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Re: [ubuntu-art] artwork for the Ubuntu idea brainstorming website

2007-12-30 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
On Dec 30, 2007 9:59 PM, Thorsten Wilms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 11:49 +0100, Nicolas Deschildre wrote:

  Thanks for the nice sketches!
  I particularly like the light bulb in the 3D Ubuntu logo because it
  carries the meaning. It makes the association of the two symbols of
  Ubuntu and idea, and it's like the idea bulb is growing inside Ubuntu.

 You're welcome.

 http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2007/12/30/ubuntu-brainstorm-2/

 Tell me if you're ok with the direction for the bulb and if one of the
 bug sketches does it for you :)

I definitely like the direction the Ubuntu bulb!
You can target up to 75px for the height.
I also like the symbol of the bug being pointed multiple times, it
carries the meaning of the most hated superlative. As explained on
the previous mail, the Ubuntu brand should be somehow present. Here, I
wonder how we could integrate the Ubuntu brand in it... Integrating
the arrows on the flat logo?

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Second version of Union mockup

2007-12-30 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
On Dec 30, 2007 11:37 PM, Matthew McGowan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I find the
 current set in the designs (the plus and minus) a little confusing as to
 what their function exactly is.

+1


 Regards
 matt


 Dylan McCall wrote:
  I wasn't 100% with this mockup originally, but now I love it! Those
  colour changes are well chosen. Those fancy panel icons would be quite
  a pile of work, however. With an effect like that, it's can be either
  all of them or none of them, and there are /a lot/ of programs that
  put themselves in the notification area. Having said that, it would be
  very cool if unimportant (and inactive) notifications faded into the
  background, while they used the colourful images we see today when
  active. However, that sounds more like a code matter...
  Perhaps that effect would be happier being implemented in code, since
  on that end it can be implemented for everything, including unofficial
  applications.
 
  One thing important to look at is menu bars that are not directly
  within windows. GTK decided that menu bars should be independent
  widgets, (which is good thinking in some ways, but definitely limits
  some of the cool possibilities of menus that know what window they
  belong to) so those menus could theoretically be anywhere. Granted,
  they are usually on the top, but extra use cases would be safe.
 
  Nick Telford makes a good point about text areas. Have you put much
  pondering into those?
 
  What are those three buttons you have on the bottom of your windows?
  Looks like an interesting window management feature that could be
  implemented by an Ubuntu-side GTK hack...
 
  Speaking of effects, I think you could do with a tad less alpha on
  unfocussed windows. People often look at two or three windows at once
  for some tasks, and them being so transparent could well make that
  undoable. Perhaps if that Pin button (which I believe you have on the
  status bars there) was implemented somewhere, we could better expect
  people to use the feature. Then, if a window was pinned and
  unfocussed, it would not have the same transparent effect. (Again, I
  am not up on how themes work, so please forgive my ignorance!).
 
  Keep up the amazing work, Ken! Everyone likes SVGs, so I see a very
  good chance of this mockup making it as a mainified (mainly?
  mained?) theme.
 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] artwork for the Ubuntu idea brainstorming website

2007-12-29 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
On Dec 28, 2007 11:16 PM, Troy James Sobotka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 1 - I have long promoted the ditching of the Ubuntu title font
 in everything outside of the word Ubuntu.  Are you against changing
 the 'logo' to a font outside of the Ubuntu title font family?  It
 is a sub-optimal font for anything other than the Ubuntu name.

As long as the font for the word Ubuntu remains the official one,
I've no problem with font changes.


 2 - I assume you are providing a quick mechanism to link in with
 Launchpad services?  Bugs / Blueprints / etc?  The copy / paste
 links are a very smart inclusion.

Yes, you can link an idea/bug to a LP bug number or/and a spec url
and/or a ubuntuforums.org thread. Then the links are displayed at the
right of the title, as icons.


 3 - Are you going to include categories?  I would imagine a big slush
 is sub-optimal.

Yes, when you submit a idea/bug, you must select a category. We just
have to fill the list with category like games, office,
multimedia, and so on...


  But unfortunately my artistic skills are not as good as my programming
  ones! We will need to work on the following artwork:
  - Two banners, one for the Ubuntu idea brainstorming part, and one for
  the Ubuntu most hated bug tracker.

 4 - Having created that little ISO testing icon image, I don't mind
 trying my hand at the banners, but you forgot to mention destination
 format needs.  Size?  Where will it be integrated in the samples
 you provided?

Thanks for your offer!
The test website has three modules, which act as three (almost)
independant websites. The links are located in the top bar (ISO
tracker, Hardy bugs, Hardy ideas). Right now, the same logo ISO
testing tracker is displayed for each module. We would like to display
one different logo per module, to clearly identify the different
modules.
The logo for the Hardy bugs module (top bar names are not definitive
at all) would display the text Ubuntu most hated bugs, and the one
for the Hardy ideas would display Ubuntu ideas. The text can be
discussed, if you see a better one. Please note that the bug and idea
module will be pointed by the vote-bug.ubuntu.com and
vote-idea.ubuntu.com subdomains.

Concerning the size, the height should remain the same, 64px, and
could be expanded a bit if necessary. For the width, you can go as far
as 690px (to be viewable in 800x600).


  - Some images links. An image link is a image template, in which
  we add some text with GD. Their purpose is to be published on external
  website and forums to promote an idea or a hated bug. See for example
  [3] and [4], with some concept images. What I had in mind ATM was one
  small image link, static, and one bigger, containing the title of the
  idea/bug and the number of votes. But size and number can be
  discussed.

 4 - Can you provide some details on the dynamic nature of the font? In
 particular how big is a worst case scenario in terms of letters?  What
 other information is going to be in there in terms of letters or
 numbers?  I assume you are using Imagemagick as a back end, and as
 such, are there limitations in the font selection?

We are currently using GD, and according to [1], any Freetype 1 and 2
font can be used. The font and size we choose for the dynamic text
parts is up to you!
The worst case scenario for a idea/bug title is 80 letters. The rest
of available information (votes, bug/idea number,..) will have a
close-to-static size. If necessary we can increase the font size as
the title lenght decrease, and I can handle double-line title.

[1] http://fr.php.net/gd


 5 - Is this to be supplied via a Canonical server or a third party
 server location?

A Canonical one.


 Once again, this is a wonderful idea...
 TJS

Thanks, and thanks for your help! We hope it will have the success we expect.

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2007-12-28 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
Hi!

The QA team and I have been developing the future Ubuntu idea
brainstorming website, codenamed tokamak (cf blueprint [1]). Another
separate module will also track the most hated bug by allowing to vote
for them. The website is beginning to mature, and we have a test
server here [2].

But unfortunately my artistic skills are not as good as my programming
ones! We will need to work on the following artwork:
- Two banners, one for the Ubuntu idea brainstorming part, and one for
the Ubuntu most hated bug tracker.
- Some images links. An image link is a image template, in which
we add some text with GD. Their purpose is to be published on external
website and forums to promote an idea or a hated bug. See for example
[3] and [4], with some concept images. What I had in mind ATM was one
small image link, static, and one bigger, containing the title of the
idea/bug and the number of votes. But size and number can be
discussed.

So I would be very glad and thankful if someone could help me with that!

Thanks,

Nicolas

[1] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/qa-website-tokamak
[2] http://iso.test.stgraber.org/qapoll/ideas
[3] http://iso.test.stgraber.org/qapoll/ideas/item/4/promote
[4] http://iso.test.stgraber.org/qapoll/bugs/item/3/promote

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[Bug 176333] Re: ike: FTBFS in hppa arch + missing dependancy between ike and ike-qtgui

2007-12-16 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
Ok I think I definitely need to get up to date. For some reasons, I am
now stuck with feisty, and our difference of output shows that there is
clearly some divergence between our dkpg tools versions.

According to latest man dpkg-shlibdeps 1.14.12 : 
If the library not found is in a private directory of the same package, then 
you want to add the directory to LD_LIBRARY_PATH. If  it’s  in another  binary 
package being built, you want to make sure that the shlibs file of this package 
is already created and that LD_LIBRARY_PATH contains the appropriate directory 
if it also is in a private directory.

So I should basically modify LD_LIBRARY_PATH before calling dpkg-
shlibdeps. Unless I can find a way for pbuilder to have a local copy of
the hardy mirror, I will test and correct this issue in about a month,
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[Bug 176333] Re: ike: FTBFS in hppa arch + missing dependancy between ike and ike-qtgui

2007-12-14 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
A debdiff to correct these issues.

As mentioned in the changelog:
* ike dependency in the ike-qtgui package was missing. dh_makeshlibs added to 
fix that.
* FTBFS on hppa due to dpkg-shlibdeps unable to find the private libs. Added 
the lib path to dpkg-shlibdeps.


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[Bug 176333] ike: FTBFS in hppa arch + missing dependancy between ike and ike-qtgui

2007-12-14 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
Public bug reported:

Binary package hint: ike

FTBFS in the hppa arch for the ike source package 
(https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ike/2.0.3+dfsg-0ubuntu1/+build/458976). 
Revelant part: 
dh_shlibdeps
dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: debian/ike/usr/lib/ike/libpfk.so.2.0.3 shouldn't be 
linked with libm.so.6 (it uses none of its symbols).
dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: debian/ike/usr/lib/ike/libike.so.2.0.3 shouldn't be 
linked with libm.so.6 (it uses none of its symbols).
dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: couldn't find library libike.so.2.0.3 needed by 
debian/ike/usr/lib/ike/iked.real (its RPATH is '').
Note: libraries are not searched in other binary packages that do not have any 
shlibs file.
To help dpkg-shlibdeps find private libraries, you might need to set 
LD_LIBRARY_PATH.
dh_shlibdeps: command returned error code 512



Missing ike dependancy in the ike-qtgui binary package.

** Affects: ike (Ubuntu)
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: Confirmed

** Changed in: ike (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Confirmed

** Description changed:

  Binary package hint: ike
  
- FTBFS in the hppa arch for the ike source package
- (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ike/2.0.3+dfsg-
- 0ubuntu1/+build/458976).
+ FTBFS in the hppa arch for the ike source package 
(https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ike/2.0.3+dfsg-0ubuntu1/+build/458976). 
Revelant part: 
+ dh_shlibdeps
+ dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: debian/ike/usr/lib/ike/libpfk.so.2.0.3 shouldn't be 
linked with libm.so.6 (it uses none of its symbols).
+ dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: debian/ike/usr/lib/ike/libike.so.2.0.3 shouldn't be 
linked with libm.so.6 (it uses none of its symbols).
+ dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: couldn't find library libike.so.2.0.3 needed by 
debian/ike/usr/lib/ike/iked.real (its RPATH is '').
+ Note: libraries are not searched in other binary packages that do not have 
any shlibs file.
+ To help dpkg-shlibdeps find private libraries, you might need to set 
LD_LIBRARY_PATH.
+ dh_shlibdeps: command returned error code 512
  
  
  
  Missing ike dependancy in the ike-qtgui binary package.

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[Bug 176333] Re: ike: FTBFS in hppa arch + missing dependancy between ike and ike-qtgui

2007-12-14 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
Duh!
Sorry I missed this.

** Attachment added: ike.debdiff
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[Bug 160958] Re: Packaging request: spca5xx (webcam drivers)

2007-11-26 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
I did ask on IRC on #ubuntu-kernel (after seeing the spca5xx-source package on 
universe), and they told me it was already compiled in even in gutsy!
The source package is a bit confusing, in fact it was followed by a discussion 
but I don't find it anymore...

So I mark the bug as invalid.

** Changed in: linux-source-2.6.22 (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 162251] Re: Wireless can not connect on roaming, can on manual

2007-11-21 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
You mean, when roaming : ON, clicking on the ESSID on the network
manager applet on the system tray won't work, but when roaming : OFF,
choosing manually the ESSID in the Network configuration dialog works?

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[Bug 162251] Re: Wireless can not connect on roaming, can on manual

2007-11-21 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
Set to confirmed.

** Changed in: network-manager-applet (Ubuntu)
Sourcepackagename: None = network-manager-applet
 Assignee: Nicolas Deschildre (ndeschildre) = (unassigned)
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[Bug 162324] Re: bcm43xx: Error: Microcode bcm43xx_microcode5.fw not available or load failed.

2007-11-16 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
I don't know about the rationale of this decision, but that's true it is
not really... practical.

You will want to edit the title of your bug to reflect the real problem,
so that a ubuntu dev can pick it up and set its priority.

Thanks for your bug report

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 Assignee: Nicolas Deschildre (ndeschildre) = (unassigned)
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[Bug 162173] Re: wireless connection with fwcutter bcm4306 very slow

2007-11-14 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
Ok since on the same conditions you noticed such a difference of speed
with ndiswrapper and the bcm43xxx driver, I think the bug can be
confirmed.

But before that could you give me the output of lspci -nn concerning the
card please? And the dmesg output if you see anything unusual?

Thanks!

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[Bug 162251] Re: Wireless can not connect on roaming, can on manual

2007-11-14 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
Ok.

Concerning the threads you submitted, I saw some feisty-related bug
posts and some my-wireless-dont-work posts, but nothing explicitely
indicating that another ubuntu *gusty* user was not able to connect via
the applet, but was able to connect by unchecking the roaming box and
selecting manually the ESSID.

Could you please specify precisely where you find a *gutsy* user with
the same problem?

We need at least one confirmation of the bug...

And by the way did you installed ndiswrapper for the AR5007 card (the
method mentionned in http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=512828 )?

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[Bug 162173] Re: wireless connection with fwcutter bcm4306 very slow

2007-11-14 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 98856 ***
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/98856

Yes I guess it may be useful to the devs!

I just found you are far from the only one with this problem. In fact a
bug with the very same title exists already, and had some traffic. As a
consequence, I mark this bug as duplicate.

Thanks for the bugreport!

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[Bug 162324] Re: bcm43xx: Error: Microcode bcm43xx_microcode5.fw not available or load failed.

2007-11-14 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
Ooook I got it. Well I found it by chance.

When they say the software source for the package is not enabled, it means in 
fact the Universe software source is not enabled.
I don't know if you know what a software source is, so a quick explanation : by 
default, the ubuntu software manager look at one pool of software named main 
which is supported by them. But there are some others pools, not enabled by 
default, and the package needed by your wifi card is in one of these.

So the steps to fix that : go to System/Administration/Software source,
and then check the Universe and Restricted source. Close, and try. You
may have to install yourself the bcm43xx-fwcutter package, I don't know.

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[Bug 162246] Re: no sound, wifi and webcam on Acer aspire 5520G

2007-11-13 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
Ok, right guess concerning the wifi. To make it work, see
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=512828highlight=168c%3A001c
(skip the part concerning the ndiswrapper compilation, you can just
install it from synaptic).

Concerning the rest, please make two separate bug report, one for each
hardware non supported, before I invalidate this one, and please paste
the content of lspci -nn in them.

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[Bug 162251] Re: Wireless can not connect on roaming, can on manual

2007-11-13 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
Ok thanks.
Could you link here the threads related to this problem here?
And can you tell me if you were using encryption when testing?

It may be a good bug.

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[Bug 162324] Re: bcm43xx: Error: Microcode bcm43xx_microcode5.fw not available or load failed.

2007-11-13 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
Ok..
Could you give the output concerning the card of ls -vvnn? (to get the PCI id)

And just a though : I have not such a card, but if i remember correctly,
the microcode is part of the restricted driver, and may not be enabled
by default. Could you check in the restricted driver manager?

Thanks.

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[Bug 162534] Re: ipw3945 slow and buggy with linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-generic_2.6.22.4-14.10_amd64.deb

2007-11-13 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 103210 ***
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/103210

Thanks for your bugreport.

This bug has been here for quite a while, see the bug 103210
(https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ubuntu-
modules-2.6.22/+bug/103210 ), and a bug has been filed upstream. You may
try some of the proposed workarounds.

Nicolas

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[Bug 162324] Re: bcm43xx: Error: Microcode bcm43xx_microcode5.fw not available or load failed.

2007-11-12 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
Hi!

Thanks for the bugreport.
Can you provide the revision number of the broadcom 4311 ? (I guess lspci may 
help).
According to http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43, only rev 1 is 
supported by the driver.

** Changed in: bcm43xx-fwcutter (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 162251] Re: Wireless can not connect on roaming, can on manual

2007-11-12 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
Hi!
Thanks for the bugreport.
Could you tell us what version of ubuntu you are using?

And I didn't get it clearly : you tried this with two different cards, a
PCMCIA card on your T43 and the built-in AR5007EG in your packard bell?

** Changed in: ubuntu
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[Bug 162251] Re: Wireless can not connect on roaming, can on manual

2007-11-12 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
And i did forget, do you use encryption, and which one?

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[Bug 162246] Re: no sound, wifi and webcam on Acer aspire 5520G

2007-11-12 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
And please link the bugreport here so that I can invalidate this one
when it is done.

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[Bug 162246] Re: no sound, wifi and webcam on Acer aspire 5520G

2007-11-12 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
Hi!

Thanks for your bugreport.
You should separate this bugreport into three, one per component not working.
And please specify the output of lspci -vnn too.

Concerning your wifi card, I suspect a AR5007EG with a fake name, and if
I am right, this will require ndiswrapper.

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[Bug 162173] Re: wireless connection with fwcutter bcm4306 very slow

2007-11-12 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
It may not be the problem (driver tends to report not very accurate
stats) but here a -65dBM noise level is very high! Usually on my
different cards, I have -90 and below.

Have you tried on different location / access point?

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[Bug 162154] Re: PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection

2007-11-12 Thread Nicolas Deschildre
Hi!
Thanks for your bugreport.

Could you attach here the output of the following commands on a console please?
lspci -nn
ifconfig
iwconfig

Thanks!

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