[Ubuntu-be] GarminGPS Was:Re: gps-cartography
On Tue, Sep 11, 2007 at 09:52:41PM +0200, Peter Stuart wrote: i made a report on the acquisition of tom-tom by tele-atlas. a month or so ago. the advantage in this would be that the users could update information on the spot, as geographics don't change much, but traffic situations do. apparently tom-tom might get open source towards the cartographers. it would benefit them, and the users. If you're talking about the OpenTom.org project, this is totally independent of TomTom himself since they are not giving any information about their protocols and products, except that they work under Gnu/Linux, but the soft on board is TomTom's non open software. Personally, we bought a Garmin Streetpilot c510 gps, and this week we already discovered that some street numbers in Gent had changed (new building), and now we absolutely ignore how we could update it from our Ubuntu PC: btw this will not be so easy since Garmin.be / Fromar.be (importer) themselve advised us to use Garmin maps, and it seems we are the first users of Linux here while the update softs online are all for Windows. So how should we update on a safe way without damaging something (it is btw new under warranty)? I have no confidence in all these alternate maps and so since we are lambda users, not spcialized in open source maps for gps. Y P PS: we exactly choosed for Garmin due to the informations above concerning Tomtom. I wrote exactly the opposite info posted by someone who believed that Tomtom was a good choice since it runs under Gnu/Linux. I'm afraid there aren't still good choices as long as the manufacture himself doesn't provide update bins or so for Gnu/Linux. -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] garmingps
On Wed, Sep 12, 2007 at 07:10:48PM +0200, Amedee Van Gasse wrote: For road maps too? That is done by other companies like Geocart and De Rouck (in .be) Euhm, on the maps of the NGI are roads to ... ;-) From that sentence I conclude that Geocart, Tele-Atlas, De Rouck, etc base their map data on NGI data. Then you make the wron conclusion. :-) What I'm trying to say is that the NGI-maps are roadmaps too. After all, there roads on them. :-) This isn't the case all of the time. The cartography companies also collect other data, independent from the NGI. Sure, I've seen them driving around, with their gps-and-cam-equipped-cars. I've been doing the same, but with a bike. -- wannes http://www.ubuntu-be.org/ -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] garmingps
Nicolas Pettiaux schreef: Exact, but one of the issue, is that in Belgium for example, most of the maps and datas are collected by the National Geographic Institute (a former miltary department, now civil but still heavily connected to the army) and they are paid by our taxes money. They charge for their data, and sell the to private people as well as companies who sometimes resell them. Why pay multiple times for these data of IGN ? In the US for example, data collected with public money become public. THe proble is the same in many European countries as in Belgium Thats why I say: lets privatise the IGN/NGI, they 'll learn something if they don't share their data. I have posted an article about the Bus company DeLijn.be/TEC that should make their data public, so that hobbyists could walk with their GPS over the Kemmelberg/Profondeville and would be able to say: hey, it's only 30 minutes walking to the next bus stop, let's have a beer at the Camp site near the RTBF antenna, this camp site is owned by some Dutch people ... Same for the NMBS, but they do not provide beer either ;-) Marc -- -- Shortwave transmissions in English, Francais, Nederlands, Deutsch, Suid-Afrikaans, Chinese, Dansk, Urdu, Cantonese, Greek, Spanish, Portuguese, ... http://shortwave.blogsite.org/Updated every month or so ... -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] garmingps
Peter Stuart schreef: is the issue here also concerning the open sourcing of cartography? are companies like tele-atlas open source or not? i might have a talk with those guys if it is not. p On Openstreetmap.org you can find oss maps for holland. Let's privatise the belgian NGI, unless .. we get our maps too .. I've put some messages about the algorithms used in avigation on be.comp.os.linux. search navigatie ... or graph / graaf / grafen .. -- -- Shortwave transmissions in English, Francais, Nederlands, Deutsch, Suid-Afrikaans, Chinese, Dansk, Urdu, Cantonese, Greek, Spanish, Portuguese, ... http://shortwave.blogsite.org/Updated every month or so ... -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] garmingps
2007/9/11, Amedee Van Gasse [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, September 11, 2007 20:13, Nicolas Pettiaux wrote: Exact, but one of the issue, is that in Belgium for example, most of the maps and datas are collected by the National Geographic Institute (a former miltary department, now civil but still heavily connected to the army) and they are paid by our taxes money. They charge for their data, and sell the to private people as well as companies who sometimes resell them. For road maps too? That is done by other companies like Geocart and De Rouck (in .be) Euhm, on the maps of the NGI are roads to ... ;-) Other governement organisation that collects geo-information (and charges if you want to use it): http://www.agiv.be/gis/diensten/geo-vlaanderen/?catid=8 -- wannes -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
[Ubuntu-be] garmingps
is the issue here also concerning the open sourcing of cartography? are companies like tele-atlas open source or not? i might have a talk with those guys if it is not. p -- Linux usr #206738 Linux Counter http://counter.li.org -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] garmingps
2007/9/10, Peter Stuart [EMAIL PROTECTED]: is the issue here also concerning the open sourcing of cartography? this is a very good question. THere are at least 2 projects I know related to this question, and that go in the direction of wikipedia: aka, the users are collecting the datas with their gps to build collectively the maps See upct.org and ... (another one bases on mediawiki that I do not remember now and cannot find; I'll look for it) are companies like tele-atlas open source or not? i might have a talk with those guys if it is not. good luck and thanks. As they make a good fortune selling their data, I doubt they are ready to open source anything. But you may try. Thanks, Nicolas p -- Linux usr #206738 Linux Counter http://counter.li.org -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be -- Nicolas Pettiaux - email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Utiliser des formats ouverts et des logiciels libres - http://www.passeralinux.org. Pour la bureautique, les seuls formats ISO sont ceux de http://fr.openoffice.org -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] garmingps
Nicolas Pettiaux schreef: 2007/9/10, Peter Stuart [EMAIL PROTECTED]: is the issue here also concerning the open sourcing of cartography? this is a very good question. THere are at least 2 projects I know related to this question, and that go in the direction of wikipedia: aka, the users are collecting the datas with their gps to build collectively the maps See upct.org and ... (another one bases on mediawiki that I do not remember now and cannot find; I'll look for it) I guess you are looking for http://www.openstreetmap.org Greetings Mattias -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
