[Bug 1782984] Re: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04
Dear scmar1+, Thank you very much for finding the solution, this is a very important information, which solves a really annoying problem. Thanks again, Best wishes and I wish You and all other guys a Blessed and Happy New Year! Janos -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1782984 Title: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1782984/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1782984] Re: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04
Dear MarkF, I used GIMP 2.10 from kesselgulasch's PPA since I experienced continuous crash of 2.8 installed normally from lubuntu packages. Absolutely no crash since then, but I could not find any connection between PcManFM 1.2.5 crash and GIMP crash. There are no shared packages between the two softwares. PcManFM 1.2.5 was doing its crash as usual. Only then I upgraded PcManFm to 1.3.0 with LibFM 1.2.5 and crashes became quite rare. BUT! The freezing is there! The problem seemingly does not come from PcManFm, but I have not tried it under MATE or GNOME desktops. This could give the correct answer to the source of the problem. But since I tried Thunar file manager with Lubuntu and it also did the freezing emerged the question of not blaming PcManFM but Lubuntu. Regards, Janos -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1782984 Title: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1782984/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1782984] Re: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04
Dear MarkF, I confirm your GIMP crashing problem, but I have this problem using GIMP 2.8. I got crashes nearly immediately. After installing GIMP 2.10 from kesselgulasch's PPA there was problem no more. I could work with GIMP 2.10 without any problem, and I really liked it, there was a great improvement since version 2.8. First I thought the source of all problem is the new Swap policy, using a dynamic swap file (instead of a predefined swap partition) as it is used in Windows systems. I stuck at using a swap partition, which never caused any problem. So crashing Gimp stopped with version 2.10. After trying XFCE's Thunar as a file manager I could realize the problem is not originated from PcManFM. It is something deeper... Then with Mate's Caja file manager all the crashes gone. The only difficulties were making Caja as default filemanager, and the Desktop handling with this file manager. But with this step I could make Lubuntu work stable. Dear Walter, I really didn't want to hurt any of LXQT developers. I'm sure this work is very hard, and this is just the beginning of a journey to a really great Lubuntu desktop. My (and others) fear was the chance of losing this great and lightning fast, very well configurable LXDE desktop which has worked and developed well for long-long years. LXQT is a bit strange now, but as time goes by we will get used to it. (My first decision to change to LXDE desktop (Lubuntu) is originated from Ubuntu changed its desktop from gnome 2.8 to Unity which was so strange.. and really divided the old community of Ubuntu users.) And Gnome became more and more power hungry and beautiful, LXDE remain fast and simple - and its beauty is its fastness. So I want to apologize if I was rude. I really looking forward to try a great LXQT Lubuntu. I promise I will try 18.10 more, but I have to tell you I did not get a crash of PCManFM so far. Best Regrads, Janos -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1782984 Title: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1782984/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1782984] Re: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04
Dear Patrick, I can confirm Your full story about crashing PcManFM just point-by-pont. Since using PcManFM 1.3.0 with LibFM ver. 1.2.5 crashes became not as frequent as it had been before. But it is not a solution. I installed Caja file manager (oroginally used by Ubuntu Mate), which causes no problem at all, and is much smaller than Nautilus which wants to install half of the the big gnome 3 desktop environment to be able to go. Caja is smaller with less needs, and really as good as Nautilus. It is worth a try. As all of us can see, the future of Lubuntu is LXQT desktop environment, which is quite different from this original LXDE. I really liked the good old environment because of its unbeatable speed and reliability. >From now, we can see the direction of Lubuntu evolution. Looking at the half KDE half LXQT desktop with a terminal oriented network configuration ... I hope and wish the software developers all the best. I also hope (and as I read lots of Debian users do) I will be able to use the native LXDE desktop environment for a long time! -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1782984 Title: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1782984/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1782984] Re: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04
Hi Walter, I tried to install Thunar 1.8.1 as you asked me, but not Thunar 1.8.1, nor libthunarx-3-0_1.8.1 can be installed on Lubuntu Bionic because of dependency problems. Thunar needs Thunar-data 1.8.1, libtunarx needs libxfconf 4.6.0 or newer which I could not find... and hopefully doesn't harm stability of Lubuntu Bionic. PLease (if you can) send me links to these dependencies, hopefully they are enogh to install Thunar 1.8.1. Regards, Janos -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1782984 Title: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1782984/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1782984] Re: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04
Hi Walter, According to my previous message in which I mentioned the mixed usage of PcManFM, I have a question if it is possible to use LibFM 1.3.2 with Lubuntu Bionic or it containing Cosmic specific dependencies or something like that. Other question if it is possible to get libFM 1.3.2 in an installable deb package, or only available by git cloning. By the way all this mixed version seems to be quite good so far. So on Wednesday I will make the tests, and as an extra I will try PcManFM and Thunar with Ubuntu Mate Bionic to see their behavior. However I found Mate awfully slow, I will perform the tests, since there is an installed and completely working version on a HDD. Thanks for your kind answer, Best regards, Janos -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1782984 Title: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1782984/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1782984] Re: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04
Hi Mike, I found that PcManFM has a new version 1.3.0 for Cosmic, and it has as a necessary part LibFM 1.3.2. Since I found installable .deb file of PcManFM itself in the Launcpad, and I found LibFM for it nowhere as an installable .deb file, first I tried only the PcManFM deb file to install to see what will happen... After installation PcManFM runs like a charm with old LibFM (1.2.5) and no more freezing. Virtually it solved my (and maybe others) main problem - without knowing its background. And on the other hand I was not brave enough to make experiments with LibFM. I don't know if it works with Bionic or not, since it is quite clear by Lauchpad that it has been made for Cosmic. I know this is quite a "not standard" solution, I was surprised (in a good meaning) that PcManFM 1.3.0 works with LibFM 1.2.5 I send you a picture of the "About" section of my "Now working" software. On Wednesday at my work my first to do will be trying Thunar Cosmic on Lubuntu Bionic where my test installation is. The other thing I want to try is PcManFm 1.2.5 on Xubuntu Bionic to see what will happen, since Thunar for Bionic works well on it. Best regards, Janos ** Attachment added: "pcmanfm130withlibfm125.jpg" https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1782984/+attachment/5204236/+files/pcmanfm130withlibfm125.jpg -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1782984 Title: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1782984/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1782984] Re: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04
Hello, Answering Simon's question: No, on 16.04 and 14.04 everything is OK The problem started (as it is mentioned by "prrvchr" up above at message #3) from Lubuntu release 17.10, which I can not confirm, since I never used 17.10. I use mostly the LTS releases. But I can strongly confirm the problem with 18.04. I help you of course, the problem is also mine, since I'm a Lubuntu fanatic :) and I really want it to work well. To Walter: Maybe, but I can only tell my experience, Thunar produces just the same kind of freeze as PcManFM. Trying Thunar in original Xubuntu Bionic I could not recognize the freezing, however I don't like Xubuntu. There are many other hard things with that... which are always leading me back to Lubuntu. :) But what I found, I was able to upgrade PCManFM 1.2.5 to the version 1.3.0 (comes with Cosmic) from Lauchpad.net This new version can use Bionic's original Libfm 1.2.5 without any problem. I've used it about for a week and THERE IS NO MORE FREEZING. EVERYTHING IS WORKING WELL. I'm really curious what is the difference between 1.2.5 and 1.3.0 ? Caja also works with Lubuntu Bionic well, without any problem, no freezing. I have only tried Lubuntu Bionic yet. My gvfs version: gvfs:amd64 1.36.1-0ubuntu1.1 gvfs-backends 1.36.1-0ubuntu1.1 gvfs-bin 1.36.1-0ubuntu1.1 gvfs-common 1.36.1-0ubuntu1.1 gvfs-daemons 1.36.1-0ubuntu1.1 gvfs-fuse 1.36.1-0ubuntu1.1 gvfs-libs:amd64 1.36.1-0ubuntu1.1 My libglib version: *** libglib-object-introspection-perl 0.044-2 libglib-perl 3:1.326-1build1 libglib2.0-0:amd64 2.56.2-0ubuntu0.18.04.2 libglib2.0-bin 2.56.2-0ubuntu0.18.04.2 libglib2.0-cil 2.12.40-2 libglib2.0-data 2.56.2-0ubuntu0.18.04.2 libglibmm-2.4-1v5:amd64 2.56.0-1 Regards, Janos -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1782984 Title: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1782984/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1782984] Re: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04
Sorry, the links I gave (in previous message) are bad. Now, the good ones again. First is for launchpad.net: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/cosmic/amd64/pcmanfm/1.3.0-1 And the second one is for the download link (amd64 achitecture): http://launchpadlibrarian.net/368631138/pcmanfm_1.3.0-1_amd64.deb Sorry again for the inconvenience. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1782984 Title: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1782984/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1782984] Re: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04
PCManFM 1.3.0.1 on Lubuntu 18.04.1 LTS Thinking a big, I looked for PCManFM 1.3.0.-1 at launchapd.net: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/cosmic/arm64/pcmanfm/1.3.0-1 and downloaded the .deb file below from the "Downloadable files" section here: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/368633026/pcmanfm_1.3.0-1_arm64.deb Surprisingly all the dependencies are satisfied, so no modifications needed to use this file with Lununtu 18.04.1 And tested... No freeze so far, however I've made a bunch of file operations. I continue testing for some days, I will write my experiences. Regards, Janos -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1782984 Title: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1782984/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1782984] Re: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04
Hi Ben, Recently I had problem with Samba share, but with a little workaround I managed to solve the problem. Since Samba is also modified in Ubuntu 18.04 it is needed to look for your problem. Using Caja I have no problem like I had with PcManFM, but no mention it is a deeper problem because Thunar freezes also with Lubuntu 18.04. Just for a try I share my Samba workaround with you, maybe you will find something different between your and my packages or configuration. Let us see: The way I installed Samba for enable and handle sharing is: sudo apt-get install libgnomevfs2-extra samba-common samba-common-bin winbind libpam-winbind libnss-winbind libgnomevfs2-bin fam gnome-mime-data samba python-glade2 system-config-samba smbclient cifs-utils heimdal-clients then after making my network seetings (Host name, Workgroup) ... edit /etc/samba/smb.conf and go to the Global Settings section (under global these two new lines enables file manager to see and browse Samba shares, the line at the bottom "client max protocol = NT1" sets the protocol as it worked well in lubuntu 16.04 ). So make the following modifications like this below: #=== Global Settings === [global] client use spnego = no client NTLMv2 auth = no ## Browsing/Identification ### # Change this to the workgroup/NT-domain name your Samba server will part of workgroup = WORKGROUP client max protocol = NT1 Save the file, Then give this another try with Caja! ...and of course don't forget to write your experiences :) It works for me like a charm. Formerly I used package GAMIN (which caused problems) instead of FAM. Since using FAM there is no problem. For me PcManFM and Thunar freeze even when accessing local files, caja seems to solve the problem so far. However PcManFM is faster, better, etc... but since it freezes, I am not brave enough to handle my files with it. Ps: and an other great plugin for caja is caja-rename which gives caja a really powerful bulk renaming function. sudo apt install caja-rename Regards, Janos -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1782984 Title: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1782984/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1782984] Re: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04
The topic seems to be a bit abandoned suggesting all is good as it is
not.
A little workaround since PCManFM handles the desktop well, to install CAJA
file manager with its plugins (originally comes with Mate desktop). As I work
with it for about two weeks it seems to be OK. No freeze, no problem with
Lubuntu 18.04.1 LTS.
I am one of those who are enjoying lightning speed and great scalability of
Lubuntu for years, and it would be really sad having to give it up and change
to a "maybe shinier" but much slower desktop. I want to try anything to bring
it back to life since PcManFM is my favorite, but editing, renaming, copying,
moving lot of files as I do makes this freezing problem quite an annoying and
somehow dangerous. Until a reliable solution comes up I work with Caja as a
second possibility of file managing.
If any of "suffering" Lubuntu Bionic users is interested in using caja
and its plugins, install the following packages:
sudo apt install caja caja-open-terminal caja-extensions-common caja-
actions caja-image-converter mate-terminal caja-rename engrampa
("mate-terminal" is for "Open terminal here" function, and "engrampa"
archive manager is for "create-archive" function.)
Thanks, Regards,
Janos
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[Bug 1782984] Re: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04
Important News! Trying find an other file-handling solution instead of PcManFM, I installed Thunar on Lubunu 18.04.1 LTS, AND IT DOES JUST THE SAME KIND OF FREEZING Accessing directory or file it freezes. Unfortunately there is no crash report so far... But the situation is just the same. That can easily mean the problem is not a PCManFm problem. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1782984 Title: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1782984/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1782984] Re: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04
A new Crash file (/var/crash/)is available from an istalled Lubutnu 18.04.1 64 bit desktop version. The situation is just the same, when accessing a directory, PcManFM window freezes. Regards, Janos ** Attachment added: "crash file of PCManFM Lubuntu 18.04.1 _10.10.2018" https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1782984/+attachment/5199477/+files/_usr_bin_pcmanfm.1000.crash -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1782984 Title: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1782984/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1782984] Re: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04
Just a little update, clicking the "Go to parent directory" (Up arrow) in PcManFM window I got a crash also. So not the file or directory clicking cause crash only. Thanks, Janos -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1782984 Title: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1782984/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1782984] Re: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04
OK, thanks, Here I send all the saved logs include the .crash file syslog, kern.log etc. ** Attachment added: "Tar Gzip compressed Log files of PCManFM crash" https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1782984/+attachment/5195416/+files/Logs_of_PcManFM_Crash.tar.gz -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1782984 Title: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1782984/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1782984] Re: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04
Dear Walter, I have the results from HP machine with AMD Athlon II 250 processor and 4GB Ram. After booting Live CD and starting PcManFM I nearly immediately got the crash. Apport function dropped up a "System Program Error Detected" window, then I succeeded to save some logs from /var/log and /var/crash. If any of them can be helpful I can send you... if I can get an e-mail address or sg. like that. In /var/crash there is a 10,1MB sized "_usr_bin_pcmanfm.999.crash" log also. And some more words: Since AMD machine is a bit slower than Intel G machine, after the freezing - in the waiting time - I could start another instance of PcManFM which also started frozen, then all the instances vanished. Only after vanishing I could start a new, yet working instance. Regards, Janos -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1782984 Title: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1782984/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1782984] Re: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04
Dear Walter, Unfortunately you are right, There is no clear steps to get a freeze. It is completely stochastic, depends on no special steps. Whenever it thinks it freezes. Strange because of no other program freezes, window managing seems to be OK, in this way I have to thing the problem is when accessing file elements. And it happens even when just perform a one-left-clink on a file single file or folder. The question is, what happens when a left-click performed. It accesses file or just a screen function (but probably the first one.) ? So today I perform a clean test on a real machine booting a LiveCD but now on an AMD X2 250 system - to avoid the question of any specific processor timing problem. (Since Pentium G has a 3 level cache while AMD has the good old architecture). Thanks and best wishes, Janos -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1782984 Title: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1782984/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1782984] Re: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04
Dear Walter, Just a little addendum. When PcManFM freezes, all the running instances of it freezing, however their windows are manageable which means minimizing, maximizing, moving are working but telling the truth wen maximizing of course it doesn't show any window content since the program is not responding. It is closing which is not working since the task manager cannot send the normal close command. Then the task manager sends a message the program is not responding. When starting a new instance of PCManFm before this message appear, all the instances vanish from the screen, and the new one will work correctly until the next crash. Thank You, Best wishes, Janos -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1782984 Title: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1782984/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1782984] Re: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04
Dear Walter, There is no special conditions, only boot from USB or CD with Lubuntu 18.04 LTS on it, and choose "Try Lubuntu" function instead of "Install Lubuntu". There is no need to use a HDD or SSD either. There, when Desktop completes, click on the "File manager" icon in the upper left corner, and there I started another instance, and started to just clicking around or try to copy any folder into for example to Documents folder.. When I tried to click on the target directory I got a freeze then vanishing. Checking for the log in folder you mention above, there was nothing about the crash. It seems the Task Manager shuts down PcManFM since it is not responding. In Live CD (Try Lubuntu) mode - before any installation - all the tasks run in the main memory, so it is dependent none of the installed file systems. By the way normally I use Ext4, but in this situation it really doesn't matter. Regards, Janos -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1782984 Title: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1782984/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1782984] Re: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04
Dear Walter, So here I am with the test result. Starting only the Live CD without any extra driver, software, etc... I don"t really know whether it is a bad news or good: It does produce the freezing also. The situation we can see is just the same, black backgrounded file-hint stuck on the screen, no window-handler response, waiting a while, then all the PcManFM instances vanish with no log of any problem. With this test I wanted to make sure the problem is not because of an extra not-so-compatible driver or window compositing. I have made the test on Lubuntu 18.04.1 amd64 release. Test machine was my HP Elite Pro 8300 (Pentium G2030 processor @ 3 GHz, 12GB of DDR3 ram @ 1333MHz) Winchester was not affected in any situation using the LiveCD function. On Monday I will perform this test on an AMD X2 machine also. Best regards, Janos -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1782984 Title: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1782984/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1782984] Re: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04
Dear Walter, In last two days I haven't got time to look around in the topic, but I discussed this problem with colleagues who develop softwares for instruments using Linux, asking for their opinion. They told me if the file operations remain alive after window crashing, it can mean the problem must be a window manager problem instead of problem of the file manager itself. I appreciate their opinion, so first of all I will check the live CD with "Try Lubuntu" function, which is the purest version of Lubuntu without extra packages. If the problem comes up, we will get closer to the solution.. So tomorrow. Thanks for your help, Regards, Janos -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1782984 Title: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1782984/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1782984] Re: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04
Dear Walter, I understood everything you wrote. I can promise tomorrow I will do a clean install of Lubuntu 18.04 on a HP Desktop AMD X2 250 machine and avoid any upgrade, and I will test the behavior of the file manager. As I remember - on an updated system of course - the problem came up more frequently when an USB device was connected to the system. Eg. an USB hub with an USB stick inserted in. Tomorrow I'll test it again. The freezing is not occurred only when I clicked a file on the USB stick but I clicked any of the files or folders anywhere system-wide or even SAMBA shares. Now, when I tried to describe the freezing to you, PCManFM just freezes when just clicking here-and-there now in the /var/log folder... You can see the click not selects the file, not changes its color as selected, and the black backgrounded hint freezes on the window. Then clicking on an other window, PCManFM file manager instance vanishes. I open the syslog to see what happened: No, there is nothing new in the syslog as if nothing had happened. Now there is no any external drive or device connected to the machine. U.. it's a hard thing! Thank you for the kind helpfulness. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1782984 Title: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1782984/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1782984] Re: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04
As a quick response to Walter's important question as I see freezing of PcManFM is not really file system dependent. For me it freezes with NTFS, FAT32, FAT16 (USB sticks) and EXT4 file systems (Lubuntu installed) either. Tested hardware background is a HP Elite 8300 Pro and HP 6300 Pro. Both of the machines uses Pentium G processors with intel Q75 and Q77 chip sets which are nearly the same. With previously used version 16.04 LTS everything worked perfectly without any error. Since I know PCManFM is much more than a file manager in Lubuntu systems, it is the base of the whole system handler, Desktop...etc. That's why it is strange when file manager window freezes every other component work along. As an addendum, using the new Swap policy - when the system handles the swap as a file, the GIMP graphics editor closes suddenly without any sign. Maybe the swap handler can not satisfy GIMP's quite big swap needs. But I don't know. Using the old Swap method, when I use a part of the HDD as a swap area (about 30GB for 12GB Ram installed) GIMP seems to work well. I don't know whether the new Swap handling affects PCManFM crash story or not. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1782984 Title: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1782984/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1782984] Re: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04
Agreeing with Ben I can confirm the situation. When multiple instances of PcManFM run and one of them freezes by accessing a file by user as it has been described above, other instances' windows become unresponsive, but seemingly the running processes (eg. copying) run in the background. One time I waited until a copying process may end to not to ruin the USB file system, and it seemed the copying process finished successfully despite the UI became frozen. So I think the background processes are running despite the file manager window is frozen. The freezing may be more frequent when using an USB stick drive or something like that, but it is not depend on the media, but may be the problem occures more frequently then. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1782984 Title: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1782984/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1782984] Re: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04
Same problem here with Lubuntu Bionic (18.04.01 LTS 64bit Desktop). PcManFM crashes quite often when accessing folders or files, it seems like a timing problem. There is no any rule of freezing. It is random and it seems is not depending on any action or background activity. The PcManFM window becomes suddenly unresponsive, virtually it freezes. Eg. it shows the latest hint permanently, no reaction to anything. When an instance crashes, all the other opened instances become unresponsive without any sign. Starting a new instance of PcManFM after the crash, it closes all of the frozen instances, and the new one works well. ... for a while. But never crashes during actions (Copying, Moving, Deleting...etc). It crashes only when accessing a file or folder by a mouse-click. Previous version I used are absoulutely OK. (Lubuntu 16.04.xx LTS.) Thank you in advance, Regards. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1782984 Title: PCManFM crashes frequently on Lubuntu 18.04 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1782984/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
