Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:32 PM, »John« 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: If we (society) are training our students purely to be users (consumers) of software then we will see the exact effect that you describe (in the domain of OS'es and computing, at least). (Bug #1 has in effect created a whole generation of consumers who view computers as a way to get to entertainment). In other words we get what we deserve/ask for. Maybe we should really change the status to won't fix after all, for obvious reasons; but I guess it's better to stay positive and go on with in progress, waiting for a radical global change of mind (hopefully somewhere in the near future) or we're screwed anyway. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:03 AM, kredh 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: ** Branch linked: lp:kassie -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:23 PM, houstonbofh 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: On 10/20/2010 12:58 PM, Setve Gentilly wrote: Hi, I have 4 computers that I cannot even install Ubuntu on because Ubuntu does not have the necessary drivers. There are another 2 that I can install Ubuntu on but because the video drivers are not very good they do not function at full capacity and my add-in cards don't have drivers for Ubuntu. My systems are high-end machines, not your stock stuff that Ubuntu works on. So you see until Ubuntu makes drivers for all these wonderful add-in cards and proper video drivers Ubuntu will not exist in my house. I don't believe you. I have high end machines too... They all work. (About 25) Some took some effort, but only a few systems with old and cheap stuff. This is being typed on a Gigabyte X58A-UD3R motherboard with a Inetl Corei7 Quad core, and nVidia GTS250 graphics with 24 gig of ram. (Work system, so that is why the low end graphics) Worked out of the box with Lucid. I believe there is a lot more to your story. Like perhaps your high end stuff is the cheapest Chinese components you can source... And they don't have drivers? shock Those can take a bit more effort. Or perhaps the well known Intel i855 graphics chipset bug? (Fixed in Maverik, by the way) Only being willing to put an hour into learning a new system is not a bug we can easily patch. But if you want help, go ahead and e-mail me. I bet I can find drivers for much of your stuff. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Kip Warner k...@thevertigo.com wrote: Beautifully said Randall. You touched the essence of why the consumer zombies just doesn't understand the world of free software. They generally just want to consume and produce nothing. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 3:22 AM, Kip Warner k...@thevertigo.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 05:19 +, Setve Gentilly wrote: I would love nothing better than to replace some of these people's unlicensed OS with Ubuntu. But unfortunately I don't have the know how or experience to do that because I don't find Ubuntu user friendly (from a Windows perspective). I had my mother and others on Ubuntu because, besides ethical concerns with non-free software, I didn't find Windows or OS X to be user friendly. So you see, we echo one another. There is an old saying, There is no technical solution to an attitude problem. You must be more specific in what you did not find user friendly. -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred http://www.thevertigo.com -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 4:10 AM, Tom 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: Hi :) There is not really any must do in linux. Linux seems to be about offering choices, about offering freedom OF choice. As we know Windows provides freedom FROM choice and so it is the preference for most people. I found the best way to learn how to install and use linux was to learn how to install it as a dual-boot and switch the default so that it boots into Windows automatically unless i was fast enough to choose linux at boot-up. This meant i could deal with problems at my own pace without being unable to use the machine in the normal ways i was used to. Now when i help people with ther machine's i put a dual-boot of a linux, usually Ubuntu but not always (there are smaller and lighter distros for Win98 machines) and then sort the usual stuff such as Medibuntu and install Gimp fo photo editing. I find medibuntu tends to sort all multimedia issues without me having to find drivers for things https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu Finally i set-up firefox with bookmarks into Community and official documentation, the 2 main Answers Forums (launchpad (that is this one) and ubuntuforums.com) and also to the general linux answers forum at http://www.linuxquestions.org and usually to the rather excellent distrowatch because i know that soem discussion about other distros will crop up in conversations later http://distrowatch.com Then after i hand the machine back they hardly ever notice that linux is on their machine until we have a few chats over the next few weeks. When people have found that Windows still works normally and better/faster for the fixes i have done then it is a bit late for them to freak out about the FUD they have probably heard about it. Regards from Tom :) -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
or if they just want to drive a car, some knowledge of the thing you are using is needed to use it (efficiently). In general for every thing (be it technical or non-technical) there are some basics (knowledge, experience, training) needed to use something - and more knowledge, experience and training is needed to use something really efficient - or - to help yourself in case of a problem. - This applies for computers as well as for cars, giving presentations or even just your daily habits. And then, when people want to improve their efficiency, then it comes to the very special strength of Linux: There are plenty of different desktop environments or just window managers, plenty of look and feels, desktop elements like Docky (and the like - plenty of options available just there), look feel, different options for writing office documents and and and... - According to your needs and focus! Remind http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Habits_of_Highly_Effective_People On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 22:25, Setve Gentilly 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: Well it still comes down to not having drivers for stuff. Yes. Thank you guys for your time, but when Ubuntu is more compatible I will have another look at it. No, you missed the point: The hardware manufacturers sold the thingy to you. If you need to use Windows on that thingy because you can't use Linux - they don't care! - They only will care when nobody is buying their stuff because it is not Linux compatible! So YOU NEED TO CHANGE FIRST! Don't buy that crappy hardware! I tell everybody asking me for consulting which hardware to buy that they should look for a Linux compatible hardware, even if they don't plan to use Linux (now). Situation could be different in a year, so they should not lock themselves out from trying something new later. - Guess what: The last time I said that resulted in 2 weeks later switching to Ubuntu after the user destroyed the Windows 7 preinstall within a week. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 22:41, »John« 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: I don't mean to be rude; I just want the message to be perfectly clear because we've been through this shit for like million times already and I'm simply getting sick and tired of hearing the same stupid whining over and over again. Bad hardware support is always caused by stupid hardware manufacturers and not the operating system in question, because someone needs to write the damn drivers! You nailed it! On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 00:10, Randall Ross (rrnwexec) rand...@executiv.es wrote: We should instead be aiming to teach people to be creators and contributors, so their information access tools remain robust and enable any one to get to any and all information they need to educate themselves. For the very interested user, yes - but many just have different focus. E.g. a non-technical book author just wants to write his books and do conversation with readers and publishers and typically does not want bother with the OS. So most people are not going to read a bulk of documentation. Of course, for the interested user who wants to get more out of his/her PC, documentation should be at hand quickly and easy to understand. -- Martin Wildam http://www.google.com/profiles/mwildam -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 5:04 AM, Tom 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: I find that after a decent install most people don't even notice that they are using a different OS. Firefox is there and the menus easy to navigate. Documents open with a double-click. As G stated it is the install process that is the most difficult part. We try to make that easy and many people have lists of what to do after a basic install in blogs and websites or in magazines. Forums are quite accessible and documentation aimed at noobs is quite prolific but still all the difficult part of the migration process is right at the start of using linux. This is the specific point of this bug#1 because a 'pre-installed' linux is very easy to use. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 6:49 AM, Martin Wildam 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:04, Tom 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: I find that after a decent install most people don't even notice that they are using a different OS. Firefox is there and the menus easy to navigate. Documents open with a double-click. I don't fully agree - e.g. Movie player is not playing a lot of videos. Need to use VLC for those - so VLC must be installed and for different files open with must be changed to use VLC instead of movie player by default. I tend to instruct people to first double-click and when it does not work use right mouse button and open with VLC. This is easier than trying to find a sample for each possible format and change default open. Similar applies for sound formats. And there are IMHO some other first-to-dos, be it tools to install (like gsmartcontrol, Thunderbird, ...) and some options to change. - But I don't want to complain about this because I have plenty more first-to-dos under Win* and on Ubuntu I start the Synaptic, go once through the list, ticking everything I want and then save the list to an external file and never need to do it again manually. As G stated it is the install process that is the most difficult part. No, really, the installation is straight-forward. As with 10.10 it either already starts preparing the harddrive while I do the last inputs, is awesome - as well as WLAN already available and downloading the updates already on the go. And with net access it already knows the country I am in (regarding time settings). So there is nothing more I wish to have. We try to make that easy and many people have lists of what to do after a basic install in blogs and websites or in magazines. One idea: You could grab the most used sets of pre-installations and pre-sets and offer that as additional option at installation, e.g. similar as Fedora does, asking the user for typical use Home user, Developer, Designer/Photographer, ... - that probably would make it easier for a lot of people and for Canonical it would be just running a few additional apt-get install lines and maybe some default configuration files. I personally already have some files containing those, so for me no problem as it. -- Martin Wildam http://www.google.com/profiles/mwildam -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. --
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 8:07 AM, Tom 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: This bug report is not about how difficult or easy OSes are to install. It is about how difficult it is to buy a machine with a decent OS pre-installed. @ Martin I think we are agreeing but have semantic differences. Imo an install is not complete until the system is tweaked and made usable for the use the user requires. A basic install of Windows is not ready to use imo. A basic install of Ubuntu is also not fully ready (imo) but has stuff ready to use that Windows doesn't and usually takes less to get it ready. To get Windows to the same level as Ubuntu you have to install many programs such as Office (i would use OpenOffice in Windows, not MicroSquish Office, and Firefox not IE for safety and security). 'Obviously' for OpenOffice/LibreOffice i would do Tools - Options - Load/Save to set all the defaults to the unsafe .doc and .xls ones that people prefer in the Windows-world. Then both Windows Ubuntu need multimedia players (Vlc for both, also MPlayer for Ubuntu and hopefully Zoom Player for Windows), Gimp (for both) and whichever other packages the user would appear to need from whatever they have been talking about, mostly Ubuntu already covers those but Windows doesn't. Ubuntu makes a lot of that easy by following the Community Documentation Medibuntu page but there are countless blogs, magazines and stuff either in the fake-world or online that cover the multimedia issues. Both Windows and Ubuntu need drivers for any oddly awkward hardware. For Ubuntu these are mostly online but it may take some hunting to find them. For Windows you might need to find that crusty old Cd that came with the device. Inevitably some stuff wont work with Windows because it is too old and you should buy a new device and stop being such a cheapskate. With Ubuntu some newer stuff wont work but might do fairly soon especially if you post a bug-report about it. Ati NVidia have communities doing a lot of work right now and updates happen quite frequently. Even the companies themselves are making efforts to provide more support (for fear of losing customers now linux usage is reaching above 4%). Other companies will follow their lead. Both Windows and Ubuntu will need to be updated and this is one area that Ubuntu really scores highly because it does everything, all the codecs, libraries, drivers, programs, packages, everything all in one go you can walk away and leave it to get on with it with no further interaction. Windows will usually require several reboots and requires the update process to be repeated many times before it is 'completely' updated. Also Windows tends to make a fuss about stuff requiring user-input. Also Windows doesn't update any of the drivers or programs, not even free ones such as Adobe flash-player or pdf reader. So an ubuntu system is fully patched and ready whereas a Windows one seldom reaches that stage. Both systems often need tweaking to set which applications are preferred for certain tasks (right-click on a file-type and set what it opens with) although with Windows you seldom get a choice and just have to be careful about which programs you install last as each one grabs control. With Ubuntu you can finesse it at almost any point. However, none of this is what this bug-report is about. All of this depends on the skill (in the particular OS they are attempting to install) of the person doing the install and how easy they find it to access useful help if they run into problems. Again, that is not what this bug-report is about. Regards from Tom :) -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in
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You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:23 PM, houstonbofh 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: On 10/20/2010 12:58 PM, Setve Gentilly wrote: Hi, I have 4 computers that I cannot even install Ubuntu on because Ubuntu does not have the necessary drivers. There are another 2 that I can install Ubuntu on but because the video drivers are not very good they do not function at full capacity and my add-in cards don't have drivers for Ubuntu. My systems are high-end machines, not your stock stuff that Ubuntu works on. So you see until Ubuntu makes drivers for all these wonderful add-in cards and proper video drivers Ubuntu will not exist in my house. I don't believe you. I have high end machines too... They all work. (About 25) Some took some effort, but only a few systems with old and cheap stuff. This is being typed on a Gigabyte X58A-UD3R motherboard with a Inetl Corei7 Quad core, and nVidia GTS250 graphics with 24 gig of ram. (Work system, so that is why the low end graphics) Worked out of the box with Lucid. I believe there is a lot more to your story. Like perhaps your high end stuff is the cheapest Chinese components you can source... And they don't have drivers? shock Those can take a bit more effort. Or perhaps the well known Intel i855 graphics chipset bug? (Fixed in Maverik, by the way) Only being willing to put an hour into learning a new system is not a bug we can easily patch. But if you want help, go ahead and e-mail me. I bet I can find drivers for much of your stuff. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Artem Karimov sky...@gmail.com wrote: Just specify your problem as precisely as possible, without missing any details. This way we will either generate a solution to your problem or, at least, a work-around. On 21 October 2010 09:19, Setve Gentilly 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: Hi Kip, I would like you to understand the following, I hate Microsoft, I hate what they are doing, I hate what they stand for and what I hate the most is having to pay hard earned money for 0's and 1's. I love the Open Source concept and it should be the *ONLY* way to go. There is NOTHING MORE I would like than to be able to use Ubuntu on all my machines. I am constantly looking for Microsoft alternatives. I have been in computers since 1992 and all my learned experience is on Dos, Windows (Microsoft Certifications), some Netware and very little on Linux. I am now retired and for some weird reason I am busier now than I was in the past. I do a lot of charitable work repairing and fixing defective computers for people who cannot afford to bring their PC's to the repair shop. Unfortunately 99% of the people have Windows installed on their PC's. And that I can fix. I would love nothing better than to replace some of these people's unlicensed OS with Ubuntu. But unfortunately I don't have the know how or experience to do that because I don't find Ubuntu user friendly (from a Windows perspective). So if one of you SMUCKS (wink, lol) is willing to put the effort in my proposed project, then I am willing to put in 150% effort to do this. And yes I will become responsible for spreading Ubuntu on (at least) a small to medium scale. What do you think, can we do this??? Best regards, Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Kip Warner k...@thevertigo.com wrote: Beautifully said Randall. You touched the essence of why the consumer zombies just doesn't understand the world of free software. They generally just want to consume and produce nothing. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
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You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Randall Ross (rrnwexec) rand...@executiv.es wrote: Did you bother to check which systems are certified first? http://webapps.ubuntu.com/certification/ Think of your experiences in the Windows world. You likely have used hardware that is stickered Windows Ready, Works with Windows etc. The Ubuntu world is no different, and Ubuntu does NOT work on everything. Please reset expectations accordingly. More here if you are interested: http://randall.executiv.es/uwoe3 On 10-10-20 11:21 AM, Setve Gentilly wrote: Hi again, Let me explain it another way so that you may have a better idea of what I am trying to explain here. I only buy products from some of the following manufactures; XFX, EVGA, Asus, Cooler Master, OCZ, Westen Digital, Silverstone, Corsair, Samsung, etc., etc., etc. When I get a new system (which I get regularly) after it is assembled it take me 1 to 1.5 hours to install Windows, the drivers and the necessary software to get it to function at 100% efficiency. I don't have the time to fart around and mess with Operating systems and drivers that don't even run on a double click from the mouse, nor do I have the time to learn a new programing language (although I do know a few), no thank you. Let me give you an example, I installed Ubuntu 10.10RC on an AMD machine with an Asus board and an XFX HD 5770. When it came time to install the ATI drivers from ATI, I ran the package and it said nothing to me so I rebooted and guess what, it was not installed. So I then proceeded to install the third party drivers that Ubuntu suggested. Well, what a great performing card It gave 50GFLOPS instead of the 1400GFLOPS Windows gives me. I don't have time to fart around for days or weeks to get the machine working 100%. When Ubuntu is as easy to install as Windows, then I will have another look at it. Not till then... Regards, Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:23 PM, houstonbofh 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: On 10/20/2010 12:58 PM, Setve Gentilly wrote: Hi, I have 4 computers that I cannot even install Ubuntu on because Ubuntu does not have the necessary drivers. There are another 2 that I can install Ubuntu on but because the video drivers are not very good they do not function at full capacity and my add-in cards don't have drivers for Ubuntu. My systems are high-end machines, not your stock stuff that Ubuntu works on. So you see until Ubuntu makes drivers for all these wonderful add-in cards and proper video drivers Ubuntu will not exist in my house. I don't believe you. I have high end machines too... They all work. (About 25) Some took some effort, but only a few systems with old and cheap stuff. This is being typed on a Gigabyte X58A-UD3R motherboard with a Inetl Corei7 Quad core, and nVidia GTS250 graphics with 24 gig of ram. (Work system, so that is why the low end graphics) Worked out of the box with Lucid. I believe there is a lot more to your story. Like perhaps your high end stuff is the cheapest Chinese components you can source... And they don't have drivers? shock Those can take a bit more effort. Or perhaps the well known Intel i855 graphics chipset bug? (Fixed in Maverik, by the way) Only being willing to put an hour into learning a new system is not a bug we can easily patch. But if you want help, go ahead and e-mail me. I bet I can find drivers for much of your stuff. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace
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You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Tom 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: So 30mins to install Ubuntu against 1hr30 to install Windows. Did the Windows system then need upgrades or additional software? After the first round of updates and reboot were all the drivers, codecs and new programs all up-to-date and fully patched? Installing a system you know well (Windows), with the standard preparation you do before an install to that particular set of hardware does not really compare against installing a system you have no experience with and have not prepared for in advance. Comparing is difficult when you are not comparing like with like. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:14 PM, houstonbofh 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: On 10/20/2010 02:21 PM, Setve Gentilly wrote: When I get a new system (which I get regularly) after it is assembled it take me 1 to 1.5 hours to install Windows, the drivers and the necessary software to get it to function at 100% efficiency. I don't have the time to fart around and mess with Operating systems and drivers that don't even run on a double click from the mouse, nor do I have the time to learn a new programing language (although I do know a few), no thank you. I have expertise in both Windows and Linux. Windows takes longer. Mainly it is the massive amount of reboots between updates and drivers. Also, the install is far to interactive, not set it and forget it. As an aside, the only programming language I know is Perl, and I haven't really used in in years. Let me give you an example, I installed Ubuntu 10.10RC on an AMD machine with an Asus board and an XFX HD 5770. When it came time to install the ATI drivers from ATI, I ran the package and it said nothing to me so I rebooted and guess what, it was not installed. So I then proceeded to install the third party drivers that Ubuntu suggested. Well, what a great performing card It gave 50GFLOPS instead of the 1400GFLOPS Windows gives me. I don't have time to fart around for days or weeks to get the machine working 100%. You installed a beta, and it was not perfect? Really? And those Vista betas were so smooth... And you had ATI driver problems? That is surely an Ubuntu issue. http://www.google.com/search?q=ati+driver+problems Or maybe not. And why did you go the the ATI website first? Oh, yes... You picked up that habit from Windows. In Ubuntu, you go to the repos first. And yes, the ATI Linux drivers are worse than the Windows drivers for many ATI cards. One reason I like nVidia. (On both platforms) When Ubuntu is as easy to install as Windows, then I will have another look at it. You want Ubuntu to be as easy for a beginner to install with no experience as Windows is for an expert with years of experience. That is the bug... Unreasonable expectations. And the thought that Windows is Computer and if you know Windows you know computers. Not so helpfull with Mac, Linux, HP-UX, Aix, Solaris, AS400, VMS, or a number of accounting specific systems. Now if you give the same test to your grandmother, I bet Linux is easier. And this is the reason I responded. People keep looking at the wrong bug. The bug is that we did not tell you this BEFORE you started. Now it is too late... -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Martin Wildam 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 14:07, Tom 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: This bug report is not about how difficult or easy OSes are to install. It is about how difficult it is to buy a machine with a decent OS pre-installed. Yes, thanks for reminding. But wouldn't it be more likely that more systems come with Ubuntu preinstalled, if it is more easy to install it? At least for the small PC shop around the corner it should be. Bigger shops for sure have everything automated. But how do they do when a new model appears? At least for the first of a new product line they must do it manually, isn't it? -- Martin Wildam http://www.google.com/profiles/mwildam -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:26 PM, mzc 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: Bug #1 description is outdated! Microsoft windows is a fading os due to its failure to innovate. We should focus more on why do i use this _ os, what apps do use in the ___that i cannot find in Ubuntu os. I saying this because for the past few years,Apple has successfully gained market for Macs and ios devices, while Google has also published success on their Apps. Hence, where does Ubuntu os stands. IMO, Ubuntu is in right path with its current release, but we have to focus on innovation to break to critical mass. On Oct 21, 2010 7:43 AM, Artem Karimov sky...@gmail.com wrote: -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Tom 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: or we could just keep going as we are to achieve critical mass http://blogs.eweek.com/applewatch/content/macbook/microsoft_ceo_scoffs_at_mac_share_gains.html http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2010/09/debunking-the-1-myth.html 4% or perhaps higher seems about right to me. i keep bumping into people that have heard of Ubuntu. Not all the time but it does happen -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Randall Ross (rrnwexec) rand...@executiv.es wrote: Ubuntu awareness (and use) is very very low by our measurements so far. We're conducting random public surveys in Vancouver BC to get an actual percentage. Our goal is 1000 people asked What is Ubuntu? We're not publishing until we have a stastistically valid sample. Stay tuned for results ;) Want to try it in your city/town? Email me for the methodology. On 10-10-21 10:55 AM, Tom wrote: 4% or perhaps higher seems about right to me. i keep bumping into people that have heard of Ubuntu. Not all the time but it does happen -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Faldegast 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: What i suggest for Ubuntu is the following: 1. A Ubuntu/Linux/Elf software store. It should be designed so that it can ship applications for many OS:es, not just Ubuntu. 2. A Ubuntu Pro commercial offering. Including boxed Ubuntu, a manual, and support. Also some commercial stuff like DVD player. Ubuntu currently has Fluendo Windows Media and MP3 Playback Pack, Fluendo Complete Playback Pack and PowerDVD Linux in its online shop. These should either be provided trough a software store, or included in Ubuntu Pro. I would also see more commercial Linux applications there. For example i know there is a Ubuntu version of Majesty. I know for sure that i would buy that. 3. Both of above need a reseller plan. OEMs that preinstall a software store or Ubuntu Pro have to make money out of it. And Ubuntu pro should not be cheap. A software store and a commercial Linux with a distribution network is what we need. I am certain that this is exactly what we need. For servers we have RHEL but for clients the only thing available is Mandriva, but they effort to build a distribution network is to weak. They focus on an online store, and I believe thats their weakness. Operating Systems is OEM products and they are usually sold with computers, so we must target the OEM builders. While i have talked a lot about technology on this issue, technology is not a #1 bug issue. We have technology, what we need to fix bug #1 is marketing. There is no reason why Linux should have less usage share then OS X. Linux can run on much more hardware that OS X supports, and it have a great community. On another front, i think the idea of recycling old computers with Ubuntu and give them to those that cannot afford a brand new PC is excellent. I have done this a lot with lubuntu on really old computers. I also have a ThinLinc server that can be used to run applications that old computers are to weak to run. Its not fast enough for youtube, however they can play mpeg2. Perhaps an application like minitube can use a proxy server for transcoding to mpeg2 before a clip reach the old box? Martin, True. Again i agree with that and i think we are in agreement again. So the various points people have made are valid except where we talk about noobs installing. Surely a shop that installs to perhaps tens of machines has time to play around with even just 1 and has probably noticed all the quirkiness of installing Windows onto a wide range of very different machines and might realise that lack of knowledge might be the main barrier to a smoother install of Ubuntu (or other distro). Perhaps it is those people that we should target rather than normal users or people that do the odd one or two. Continuing to approach both is probably still best. Regards from Tom :) -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A
Re: RE: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 1:37 PM, mzc 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: @faldegast. You are suggesting an approach that led to mandriva 's downfall. On Oct 22, 2010 10:26 AM, Faldegast 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: What i suggest for Ubuntu is the following: 1. A Ubuntu/Linux/Elf software store. It should be designed so that it can ship applications for many OS:es, not just Ubuntu. 2. A Ubuntu Pro commercial offering. Including boxed Ubuntu, a manual, and support. Also some commercial stuff like DVD player. Ubuntu currently has Fluendo Windows Media and MP3 Playback Pack, Fluendo Complete Playback Pack and PowerDVD Linux in its online shop. These should either be provided trough a software store, or included in Ubuntu Pro. I would also see more commercial Linux applications there. For example i know there is a Ubuntu version of Majesty. I know for sure that i would buy that. 3. Both of above need a reseller plan. OEMs that preinstall a software store or Ubuntu Pro have to make money out of it. And Ubuntu pro should not be cheap. A software store and a commercial Linux with a distribution network is what we need. I am certain that this is exactly what we need. For servers we have RHEL but for clients the only thing available is Mandriva, but they effort to build a distribution network is to weak. They focus on an online store, and I believe thats their weakness. Operating Systems is OEM products and they are usually sold with computers, so we must target the OEM builders. While i have talked a lot about technology on this issue, technology is not a #1 bug issue. We have technology, what we need to fix bug #1 is marketing. There is no reason why Linux should have less usage share then OS X. Linux can run on much more hardware that OS X supports, and it have a great community. On another front, i think the idea of recycling old computers with Ubuntu and give them to those that cannot afford a brand new PC is excellent. I have done this a lot with lubuntu on really old computers. I also have a ThinLinc server that can be used to run applications that old computers are to weak to run. Its not fast enough for youtube, however they can play mpeg2. Perhaps an application like minitube can use a proxy server for transcoding to mpeg2 before a clip reach the old box? Martin, True. Again i agree with that and i think we are in agreement again. So the various points people have made are valid except where we talk about noobs installing. Surely a shop that installs to perhaps tens of machines has time to play around with even just 1 and has probably noticed all the quirkiness of installing Windows onto a wide range of very different machines and might realise that lack of knowledge might be the main barrier to a smoother install of Ubuntu (or other distro). Perhaps it is those people that we should target rather than normal users or people that do the odd one or two. Continuing to approach both is probably still best. Regards from Tom :) -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Randall Ross (rrnwexec) rand...@executiv.es wrote: @mzc I agree. @faldegast: 1) Why would we market a kernel? 2) Running Ubuntu on scrap/old is not putting our best foot forward, and creates support issues. 3) For the server side, we have Ubuntu Server. 4) Ubuntu Software Centre is just that: a store for Ubuntu-compatible software. The extension of USC to non-Ubuntu platforms would be nightmarish in complexity. On 10-10-22 10:37 AM, mzc wrote: @faldegast. You are suggesting an approach that led to mandriva 's downfall. On Oct 22, 2010 10:26 AM, Faldegast 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: What i suggest for Ubuntu is the following: 1. A Ubuntu/Linux/Elf software store. It should be designed so that it can ship applications for many OS:es, not just Ubuntu. 2. A Ubuntu Pro commercial offering. Including boxed Ubuntu, a manual, and support. Also some commercial stuff like DVD player. Ubuntu currently has Fluendo Windows Media and MP3 Playback Pack, Fluendo Complete Playback Pack and PowerDVD Linux in its online shop. These should either be provided trough a software store, or included in Ubuntu Pro. I would also see more commercial Linux applications there. For example i know there is a Ubuntu version of Majesty. I know for sure that i would buy that. 3. Both of above need a reseller plan. OEMs that preinstall a software store or Ubuntu Pro have to make money out of it. And Ubuntu pro should not be cheap. A software store and a commercial Linux with a distribution network is what we need. I am certain that this is exactly what we need. For servers we have RHEL but for clients the only thing available is Mandriva, but they effort to build a distribution network is to weak. They focus on an online store, and I believe thats their weakness. Operating Systems is OEM products and they are usually sold with computers, so we must target the OEM builders. While i have talked a lot about technology on this issue, technology is not a #1 bug issue. We have technology, what we need to fix bug #1 is marketing. There is no reason why Linux should have less usage share then OS X. Linux can run on much more hardware that OS X supports, and it have a great community. On another front, i think the idea of recycling old computers with Ubuntu and give them to those that cannot afford a brand new PC is excellent. I have done this a lot with lubuntu on really old computers. I also have a ThinLinc server that can be used to run applications that old computers are to weak to run. Its not fast enough for youtube, however they can play mpeg2. Perhaps an application like minitube can use a proxy server for transcoding to mpeg2 before a clip reach the old box? Martin, True. Again i agree with that and i think we are in agreement again. So the various points people have made are valid except where we talk about noobs installing. Surely a shop that installs to perhaps tens of machines has time to play around with even just 1 and has probably noticed all the quirkiness of installing Windows onto a wide range of very different machines and might realise that lack of knowledge might be the main barrier to a smoother install of Ubuntu (or other distro). Perhaps it is those people that we should target rather than normal users or people that do the odd one or two. Continuing to approach both is probably still best. Regards from Tom :) -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Why don't you go go fuck yourself you fucking asshole. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:23 PM, houstonbofh 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: On 10/20/2010 12:58 PM, Setve Gentilly wrote: Hi, I have 4 computers that I cannot even install Ubuntu on because Ubuntu does not have the necessary drivers. There are another 2 that I can install Ubuntu on but because the video drivers are not very good they do not function at full capacity and my add-in cards don't have drivers for Ubuntu. My systems are high-end machines, not your stock stuff that Ubuntu works on. So you see until Ubuntu makes drivers for all these wonderful add-in cards and proper video drivers Ubuntu will not exist in my house. I don't believe you. I have high end machines too... They all work. (About 25) Some took some effort, but only a few systems with old and cheap stuff. This is being typed on a Gigabyte X58A-UD3R motherboard with a Inetl Corei7 Quad core, and nVidia GTS250 graphics with 24 gig of ram. (Work system, so that is why the low end graphics) Worked out of the box with Lucid. I believe there is a lot more to your story. Like perhaps your high end stuff is the cheapest Chinese components you can source... And they don't have drivers? shock Those can take a bit more effort. Or perhaps the well known Intel i855 graphics chipset bug? (Fixed in Maverik, by the way) Only being willing to put an hour into learning a new system is not a bug we can easily patch. But if you want help, go ahead and e-mail me. I bet I can find drivers for much of your stuff. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Randall Ross (rrnwexec) rand...@executiv.es wrote: Did you bother to check which systems are certified first? http://webapps.ubuntu.com/certification/ Think of your experiences in the Windows world. You likely have used hardware that is stickered Windows Ready, Works with Windows etc. The Ubuntu world is no different, and Ubuntu does NOT work on everything. Please reset expectations accordingly. More here if you are interested: http://randall.executiv.es/uwoe3 On 10-10-20 11:21 AM, Setve Gentilly wrote: Hi again, Let me explain it another way so that you may have a better idea of what I am trying to explain here. I only buy products from some of the following manufactures; XFX, EVGA, Asus, Cooler Master, OCZ, Westen Digital, Silverstone, Corsair, Samsung, etc., etc., etc. When I get a new system (which I get regularly) after it is assembled it take me 1 to 1.5 hours to install Windows, the drivers and the necessary software to get it to function at 100% efficiency. I don't have the time to fart around and mess with Operating systems and drivers that don't even run on a double click from the mouse, nor do I have the time to learn a new programing language (although I do know a few), no thank you. Let me give you an example, I installed Ubuntu 10.10RC on an AMD machine with an Asus board and an XFX HD 5770. When it came time to install the ATI drivers from ATI, I ran the package and it said nothing to me so I rebooted and guess what, it was not installed. So I then proceeded to install the third party drivers that Ubuntu suggested. Well, what a great performing card It gave 50GFLOPS instead of the 1400GFLOPS Windows gives me. I don't have time to fart around for days or weeks to get the machine working 100%. When Ubuntu is as easy to install as Windows, then I will have another look at it. Not till then... Regards, Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:23 PM, houstonbofh 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: On 10/20/2010 12:58 PM, Setve Gentilly wrote: Hi, I have 4 computers that I cannot even install Ubuntu on because Ubuntu does not have the necessary drivers. There are another 2 that I can install Ubuntu on but because the video drivers are not very good they do not function at full capacity and my add-in cards don't have drivers for Ubuntu. My systems are high-end machines, not your stock stuff that Ubuntu works on. So you see until Ubuntu makes drivers for all these wonderful add-in cards and proper video drivers Ubuntu will not exist in my house. I don't believe you. I have high end machines too... They all work. (About 25) Some took some effort, but only a few systems with old and cheap stuff. This is being typed on a Gigabyte X58A-UD3R motherboard with a Inetl Corei7 Quad core, and nVidia GTS250 graphics with 24 gig of ram. (Work system, so that is why the low end graphics) Worked out of the box with Lucid. I believe there is a lot more to your story. Like perhaps your high end stuff is the cheapest Chinese components you can source... And they don't have drivers? shock Those can take a bit more effort. Or perhaps the well known Intel i855 graphics chipset bug? (Fixed in Maverik, by the way) Only being willing to put an hour into learning a new system is not a bug we can easily patch. But if you want help, go ahead and e-mail me. I bet I can find drivers for much of your stuff. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:14 PM, houstonbofh 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: On 10/20/2010 02:21 PM, Setve Gentilly wrote: When I get a new system (which I get regularly) after it is assembled it take me 1 to 1.5 hours to install Windows, the drivers and the necessary software to get it to function at 100% efficiency. I don't have the time to fart around and mess with Operating systems and drivers that don't even run on a double click from the mouse, nor do I have the time to learn a new programing language (although I do know a few), no thank you. I have expertise in both Windows and Linux. Windows takes longer. Mainly it is the massive amount of reboots between updates and drivers. Also, the install is far to interactive, not set it and forget it. As an aside, the only programming language I know is Perl, and I haven't really used in in years. Let me give you an example, I installed Ubuntu 10.10RC on an AMD machine with an Asus board and an XFX HD 5770. When it came time to install the ATI drivers from ATI, I ran the package and it said nothing to me so I rebooted and guess what, it was not installed. So I then proceeded to install the third party drivers that Ubuntu suggested. Well, what a great performing card It gave 50GFLOPS instead of the 1400GFLOPS Windows gives me. I don't have time to fart around for days or weeks to get the machine working 100%. You installed a beta, and it was not perfect? Really? And those Vista betas were so smooth... And you had ATI driver problems? That is surely an Ubuntu issue. http://www.google.com/search?q=ati+driver+problems Or maybe not. And why did you go the the ATI website first? Oh, yes... You picked up that habit from Windows. In Ubuntu, you go to the repos first. And yes, the ATI Linux drivers are worse than the Windows drivers for many ATI cards. One reason I like nVidia. (On both platforms) When Ubuntu is as easy to install as Windows, then I will have another look at it. You want Ubuntu to be as easy for a beginner to install with no experience as Windows is for an expert with years of experience. That is the bug... Unreasonable expectations. And the thought that Windows is Computer and if you know Windows you know computers. Not so helpfull with Mac, Linux, HP-UX, Aix, Solaris, AS400, VMS, or a number of accounting specific systems. Now if you give the same test to your grandmother, I bet Linux is easier. And this is the reason I responded. People keep looking at the wrong bug. The bug is that we did not tell you this BEFORE you started. Now it is too late... -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Randall Ross (rrnwexec) rand...@executiv.es wrote: Not certified (yet). The complete list of Ubuntu-certified systems is here: http://webapps.ubuntu.com/certification/ On 10-10-20 12:05 PM, Setve Gentilly wrote: Hi, one more time. Another example; I have a AMD system with an Ultra SCSI card from Tekram, No flavor of Ubuntu will install on those 10k Seagate drives because you don't have drivers for that card... Regards, Gentilli. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Randall Ross (rrnwexec) rand...@executiv.es wrote: Quite true. If you've ever watched a new user work with Ubuntu, you'll likely have noticed that they have a much easier time than experienced computer users. No bad habits to unlearn, and they tend to involve themselves less with tinkering on unsupported (and uncertified) hardware. You want Ubuntu to be as easy for a beginner to install with no experience as Windows is for an expert with years of experience. That is the bug... Unreasonable expectations. And the thought that Windows is Computer and if you know Windows you know computers. Not so helpfull with Mac, Linux, HP-UX, Aix, Solaris, AS400, VMS, or a number of accounting specific systems. Now if you give the same test to your grandmother, I bet Linux is easier. And this is the reason I responded. People keep looking at the wrong bug. The bug is that we did not tell you this BEFORE you started. Now it is too late... -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Tom 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: If you choose quite a variety of hardware then Windows wont work. Entire ranges of cpu chips are supported by linux but not by Windows. Entire types of products perform really badly with Windows (such as netbooks) but work really fast with linux. All the space-station systems went down due to a virus, at least all the Windows systems but commandcontrol was fine because it was all on linux. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Artem Karimov sky...@gmail.com wrote: In terminal: sudo apt-add-repository ppa:ubuntu-x-swat sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get upgrade and you have 3D acceleration. On 20 October 2010 22:21, Setve Gentilly 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: Hi again, Let me explain it another way so that you may have a better idea of what I am trying to explain here. When it came time to install the ATI drivers from ATI, I ran the package and it said nothing to me so I rebooted and guess what, it was not installed. So I then proceeded to install the third party drivers that Ubuntu suggested. Well, what a great performing card It gave 50GFLOPS instead of the 1400GFLOPS Windows gives me. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:23 PM, houstonbofh 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: On 10/20/2010 12:58 PM, Setve Gentilly wrote: Hi, I have 4 computers that I cannot even install Ubuntu on because Ubuntu does not have the necessary drivers. There are another 2 that I can install Ubuntu on but because the video drivers are not very good they do not function at full capacity and my add-in cards don't have drivers for Ubuntu. My systems are high-end machines, not your stock stuff that Ubuntu works on. So you see until Ubuntu makes drivers for all these wonderful add-in cards and proper video drivers Ubuntu will not exist in my house. I don't believe you. I have high end machines too... They all work. (About 25) Some took some effort, but only a few systems with old and cheap stuff. This is being typed on a Gigabyte X58A-UD3R motherboard with a Inetl Corei7 Quad core, and nVidia GTS250 graphics with 24 gig of ram. (Work system, so that is why the low end graphics) Worked out of the box with Lucid. I believe there is a lot more to your story. Like perhaps your high end stuff is the cheapest Chinese components you can source... And they don't have drivers? shock Those can take a bit more effort. Or perhaps the well known Intel i855 graphics chipset bug? (Fixed in Maverik, by the way) Only being willing to put an hour into learning a new system is not a bug we can easily patch. But if you want help, go ahead and e-mail me. I bet I can find drivers for much of your stuff. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Tom 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: Mzc, quite! My point exactly. The little bit that takes 1hr30 in Windows only takes 30 in Ubuntu with the difference that Ubuntu then has a stack of Office apps and stuff to use. Windows would be a little empty. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: Unknown Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Ben Shadwick benshadw...@gmail.com wrote: ** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #496536 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=496536 ** Also affects: metacity via https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=496536 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: Unknown Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Artem Karimov sky...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry for the offtop but could you please provide the link for the news about space station virus?? Oo On 20 October 2010 23:31, Tom 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: If you choose quite a variety of hardware then Windows wont work. Entire ranges of cpu chips are supported by linux but not by Windows. Entire types of products perform really badly with Windows (such as netbooks) but work really fast with linux. All the space-station systems went down due to a virus, at least all the Windows systems but commandcontrol was fine because it was all on linux. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Artem Karimov (https://launchpad.net/~a.karimovhttps://launchpad.net/%7Ea.karimov ) -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: Unknown Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Bug Watch Updater 1...@bugs.launchpad.netwrote: ** Changed in: metacity Status: Unknown = In Progress ** Changed in: metacity Importance: Unknown = Low -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:41 PM, »John« 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: Hi guys. I don't mean to be rude; I just want the message to be perfectly clear because we've been through this shit for like million times already and I'm simply getting sick and tired of hearing the same stupid whining over and over again. Bad hardware support is always caused by stupid hardware manufacturers and not the operating system in question, because someone needs to write the damn drivers! If you leave that up to them, they pretty much always end up spitting out some half broken piece of binary crap, not to mention they probably won't even bother if the particular operating system isn't used by what they believe to be enough of their potential customers. I guess you can see why we have a problem with that and every single operating system is gonna be plagued by the exact same problem until it reaches critical mass. In fact, all they need to do in order for their stuff to be fully and reliably supported on free operating systems is to publicly release the programming documentation (because writing properly working drivers without it within reasonable time frame is impossible), but many of them are simply too stupid to understand that. Until that changes, we're simply screwed, because we're stuck with either crap that can (and will) stop working any time or with nothing at all and there's absolutely not a damn thing you can do about that by yet another pointless GNU/Linux (BSD, Solaris, whatever) rant! So, unless you have some constructive criticism or other valuable ideas, please go post your whining somewhere else! -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:05 PM, houstonbofh 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: On 10/20/2010 04:41 PM, »John« wrote: ... not to mention they probably won't even bother if the particular operating system isn't used by what they believe to be enough of their potential customers. I guess you can see why we have a problem with that and every single operating system is gonna be plagued by the exact same problem until it reaches critical mass. This happens with Windows as well. Why write a new driver just because the new version of Windows doesn't work with it? With bad drivers, you will get bit, whatever OS you run. I have a lovely PaperPort scanner that I keep around as just such an object lesson. It only has Windows 95 drivers unless you BUY a new one for more than the cost of a scanner. This is not a Linux bug, but for some reason, Linux gets the blame, and Windows and the hardware manufactures get a pass. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:21 PM, »John« 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: With bad drivers, you will get bit, whatever OS you run. This is not a Linux bug, but for some reason, Linux gets the blame, and Windows and the hardware manufactures get a pass. My point exactly. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:48 PM, »John« 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: This is not a Linux bug, but for some reason, Linux gets the blame, and Windows and the hardware manufactures get a pass. One more thing: I'm incredibly sorry to say so, but I forgot to mention that that reason is probably more and more people being stupid and getting more and more stupid as the time passes - that's a sad fact that probably just about every teacher out there can confirm (I recently joined the club and pretty much the whole class - almost all of them senior teacher professionals - seems to be thinking the same); no offence to anyone here intended. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Randall Ross (rrnwexec) rand...@executiv.es wrote: The concept of a computer being a bicycle for the mind might be helpful here, and might be worth revisiting. If we (society) are training our students purely to be users (consumers) of software then we will see the exact effect that you describe (in the domain of OS'es and computing, at least). (Bug #1 has in effect created a whole generation of consumers who view computers as a way to get to entertainment). We should instead be aiming to teach people to be creators and contributors, so their information access tools remain robust and enable any one to get to any and all information they need to educate themselves. Ubuntu is taking that challenge head-on. However, we're still not able to channel all the energy that is lost to distractions such as Facebook, YouTube, Farmville, WoW, and similar things that also tend to dumb down (or at least divert). That will require a lot more code... On 10-10-20 02:48 PM, »John« wrote: One more thing: I'm incredibly sorry to say so, but I forgot to mention that that reason is probably more and more people being stupid and getting more and more stupid as the time passes - that's a sad fact that probably just about every teacher out there can confirm (I recently joined the club and pretty much the whole class - almost all of them senior teacher professionals - seems to be thinking the same); no offence to anyone here intended. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Hi, I have 4 computers that I cannot even install Ubuntu on because Ubuntu does not have the necessary drivers. There are another 2 that I can install Ubuntu on but because the video drivers are not very good they do not function at full capacity and my add-in cards don't have drivers for Ubuntu. My systems are high-end machines, not your stock stuff that Ubuntu works on. So you see until Ubuntu makes drivers for all these wonderful add-in cards and proper video drivers Ubuntu will not exist in my house. CIAO! Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:03 AM, kredh 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: ** Branch linked: lp:kassie -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Hi again, Let me explain it another way so that you may have a better idea of what I am trying to explain here. I only buy products from some of the following manufactures; XFX, EVGA, Asus, Cooler Master, OCZ, Westen Digital, Silverstone, Corsair, Samsung, etc., etc., etc. When I get a new system (which I get regularly) after it is assembled it take me 1 to 1.5 hours to install Windows, the drivers and the necessary software to get it to function at 100% efficiency. I don't have the time to fart around and mess with Operating systems and drivers that don't even run on a double click from the mouse, nor do I have the time to learn a new programing language (although I do know a few), no thank you. Let me give you an example, I installed Ubuntu 10.10RC on an AMD machine with an Asus board and an XFX HD 5770. When it came time to install the ATI drivers from ATI, I ran the package and it said nothing to me so I rebooted and guess what, it was not installed. So I then proceeded to install the third party drivers that Ubuntu suggested. Well, what a great performing card It gave 50GFLOPS instead of the 1400GFLOPS Windows gives me. I don't have time to fart around for days or weeks to get the machine working 100%. When Ubuntu is as easy to install as Windows, then I will have another look at it. Not till then... Regards, Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:23 PM, houstonbofh 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: On 10/20/2010 12:58 PM, Setve Gentilly wrote: Hi, I have 4 computers that I cannot even install Ubuntu on because Ubuntu does not have the necessary drivers. There are another 2 that I can install Ubuntu on but because the video drivers are not very good they do not function at full capacity and my add-in cards don't have drivers for Ubuntu. My systems are high-end machines, not your stock stuff that Ubuntu works on. So you see until Ubuntu makes drivers for all these wonderful add-in cards and proper video drivers Ubuntu will not exist in my house. I don't believe you. I have high end machines too... They all work. (About 25) Some took some effort, but only a few systems with old and cheap stuff. This is being typed on a Gigabyte X58A-UD3R motherboard with a Inetl Corei7 Quad core, and nVidia GTS250 graphics with 24 gig of ram. (Work system, so that is why the low end graphics) Worked out of the box with Lucid. I believe there is a lot more to your story. Like perhaps your high end stuff is the cheapest Chinese components you can source... And they don't have drivers? shock Those can take a bit more effort. Or perhaps the well known Intel i855 graphics chipset bug? (Fixed in Maverik, by the way) Only being willing to put an hour into learning a new system is not a bug we can easily patch. But if you want help, go ahead and e-mail me. I bet I can find drivers for much of your stuff. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Hi, one more time. Another example; I have a AMD system with an Ultra SCSI card from Tekram, No flavor of Ubuntu will install on those 10k Seagate drives because you don't have drivers for that card... Regards, Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Steve Forester genti...@hotmail.ca wrote: Hi again, Let me explain it another way so that you may have a better idea of what I am trying to explain here. I only buy products from some of the following manufactures; XFX, EVGA, Asus, Cooler Master, OCZ, Westen Digital, Silverstone, Corsair, Samsung, etc., etc., etc. When I get a new system (which I get regularly) after it is assembled it take me 1 to 1.5 hours to install Windows, the drivers and the necessary software to get it to function at 100% efficiency. I don't have the time to fart around and mess with Operating systems and drivers that don't even run on a double click from the mouse, nor do I have the time to learn a new programing language (although I do know a few), no thank you. Let me give you an example, I installed Ubuntu 10.10RC on an AMD machine with an Asus board and an XFX HD 5770. When it came time to install the ATI drivers from ATI, I ran the package and it said nothing to me so I rebooted and guess what, it was not installed. So I then proceeded to install the third party drivers that Ubuntu suggested. Well, what a great performing card It gave 50GFLOPS instead of the 1400GFLOPS Windows gives me. I don't have time to fart around for days or weeks to get the machine working 100%. When Ubuntu is as easy to install as Windows, then I will have another look at it. Not till then... Regards, Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:23 PM, houstonbofh 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: On 10/20/2010 12:58 PM, Setve Gentilly wrote: Hi, I have 4 computers that I cannot even install Ubuntu on because Ubuntu does not have the necessary drivers. There are another 2 that I can install Ubuntu on but because the video drivers are not very good they do not function at full capacity and my add-in cards don't have drivers for Ubuntu. My systems are high-end machines, not your stock stuff that Ubuntu works on. So you see until Ubuntu makes drivers for all these wonderful add-in cards and proper video drivers Ubuntu will not exist in my house. I don't believe you. I have high end machines too... They all work. (About 25) Some took some effort, but only a few systems with old and cheap stuff. This is being typed on a Gigabyte X58A-UD3R motherboard with a Inetl Corei7 Quad core, and nVidia GTS250 graphics with 24 gig of ram. (Work system, so that is why the low end graphics) Worked out of the box with Lucid. I believe there is a lot more to your story. Like perhaps your high end stuff is the cheapest Chinese components you can source... And they don't have drivers? shock Those can take a bit more effort. Or perhaps the well known Intel i855 graphics chipset bug? (Fixed in Maverik, by the way) Only being willing to put an hour into learning a new system is not a bug we can easily patch. But if you want help, go ahead and e-mail me. I bet I can find drivers for much of your stuff. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Hi guys, Well it still comes down to not having drivers for stuff. Thank you guys for your time, but when Ubuntu is more compatible I will have another look at it. Regards, Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:24 PM, mzc 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: It takes an entire day to install windows! This includes updates.. plus apps etc.. Ubuntu takes at least 2 hrs which includes updates, apps, mods and blings, etc. Granted that you have good internet bandwidth. On Oct 20, 2010 12:07 PM, Tom 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: So 30mins to install Ubuntu against 1hr30 to install Windows. Did the Windows system then need upgrades or additional software? After the first round of updates and reboot were all the drivers, codecs and new programs all up-to-date and fully patched? Installing a system you know well (Windows), with the standard preparation you do before an install to that particular set of hardware does not really compare against installing a system you have no experience with and have not prepared for in advance. Comparing is difficult when you are not comparing like with like. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2.
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Hi Kip, I would like you to understand the following, I hate Microsoft, I hate what they are doing, I hate what they stand for and what I hate the most is having to pay hard earned money for 0's and 1's. I love the Open Source concept and it should be the *ONLY* way to go. There is NOTHING MORE I would like than to be able to use Ubuntu on all my machines. I am constantly looking for Microsoft alternatives. I have been in computers since 1992 and all my learned experience is on Dos, Windows (Microsoft Certifications), some Netware and very little on Linux. I am now retired and for some weird reason I am busier now than I was in the past. I do a lot of charitable work repairing and fixing defective computers for people who cannot afford to bring their PC's to the repair shop. Unfortunately 99% of the people have Windows installed on their PC's. And that I can fix. I would love nothing better than to replace some of these people's unlicensed OS with Ubuntu. But unfortunately I don't have the know how or experience to do that because I don't find Ubuntu user friendly (from a Windows perspective). So if one of you SMUCKS (wink, lol) is willing to put the effort in my proposed project, then I am willing to put in 150% effort to do this. And yes I will become responsible for spreading Ubuntu on (at least) a small to medium scale. What do you think, can we do this??? Best regards, Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Kip Warner k...@thevertigo.com wrote: Beautifully said Randall. You touched the essence of why the consumer zombies just doesn't understand the world of free software. They generally just want to consume and produce nothing. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
