Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
I fully second that. Build to make Ubuntu more robust before adding features. Le 02/11/2010 05:01, Martin Wildam a écrit : So please, please, focus more on bug fixing than on introducing new user ui, which already is really good! Fabien Basmaison http://identi.ca/arkhi/ -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 632293] Re: ubuntu certified hardware misleading, and key contributor to lack of progress on bug #1
Thanks, fuggum. I DID get a hassle-free RMA number with a promise of a full refund from Dell, although it may have been easy because it has been less than 21 days since purchase. What model did you replace the V13 with? (By the way, Broadcom is not all closed-source; they recently released their Linux WiFi code: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/09/09/1925214 /Broadcom-Releases-Source-Code-For-Drivers ) -- ubuntu certified hardware misleading, and key contributor to lack of progress on bug #1 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/632293 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 632293] Re: ubuntu certified hardware misleading, and key contributor to lack of progress on bug #1
I bought the V13 specifically BECAUSE of Ubuntu's certification with 10.04 and 10.10. However, the laptop is unusable because of this touchpad issue. Reading through Fuggum's research (see also http://www .mail-archive.com/dell-recov...@lists.launchpad.net/msg00030.html) and doing a lot of my own, I have just about decided to give up and try to get a refund from Dell. I am very disappointed in both Dell and Ubuntu. -- ubuntu certified hardware misleading, and key contributor to lack of progress on bug #1 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/632293 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 632293] Re: ubuntu certified hardware misleading, and key contributor to lack of progress on bug #1
@bitinerant,i was able to return mine for a full refund. i advise you to do the same. my theory is that due to the architecture of the vostro v13 and latitude 13, it will be a ***very*** long time, if ever that any linux distro will support it. the synaptics touchpad is a child of a broadcom usb hub (part of bluetooth as far as i can tell) and broadcom is notoriously closed-source. too bad, as the vostro v13 is a very nice machine, but designed specifically according to the wintel paradigm. i've lost all faith in dell as a result of their overt lack of interest in supporting ubuntu and their horrible technical support. canonical is also fooling themselves with their sham of a certified hardware testing and certification program, and quite simply ignoring their own prime directive, bug #1. best of luck, cheers -- ubuntu certified hardware misleading, and key contributor to lack of progress on bug #1 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/632293 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
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Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
Read in the news that there is planned to use unity in future Ubuntu versions as main desktop. I did not tried myself but heard and read of _many_ people that this is still really buggy. I do personally fully understand, that Ubuntu needs to keep up with innovation and there is the desire to deliver a very easy to use OS - even for the newcomer. But: 1. I find the Gnome desktop already very clean and easy to use - even for the newcomer (I switched 60 year old people without the need of any more support after 2 weeks - this is basically the time a person needs to destroy a Windows installation by virus or any other stuff installed - at least my experience). 2. Today turned on Maverick and after login found 3 new bugs. And there are still some older ones I am still waiting for a fix - for Lucid and for Maverick also - annoying bugs. So the point is: After 9.04 and 9.10 (those really worked in an awesome stable way) my experiences with 10.04 and 10.10 are getting worse. So please, please, focus more on bug fixing than on introducing new user ui, which already is really good! -- Martin Wildam http://www.google.com/profiles/mwildam -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
I agree. I tried running the Unity on Maverick on the 2004 laptop with P4 and Radeon 9600 video. That was a disaster! Even the ppa purge could not make the system gui bootable again. Had to make a transition to Arch Linux. On 2 November 2010 00:01, Martin Wildam 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: Read in the news that there is planned to use unity in future Ubuntu versions as main desktop. I did not tried myself but heard and read of _many_ people that this is still really buggy. I do personally fully understand, that Ubuntu needs to keep up with innovation and there is the desire to deliver a very easy to use OS - even for the newcomer. But: 1. I find the Gnome desktop already very clean and easy to use - even for the newcomer (I switched 60 year old people without the need of any more support after 2 weeks - this is basically the time a person needs to destroy a Windows installation by virus or any other stuff installed - at least my experience). 2. Today turned on Maverick and after login found 3 new bugs. And there are still some older ones I am still waiting for a fix - for Lucid and for Maverick also - annoying bugs. So the point is: After 9.04 and 9.10 (those really worked in an awesome stable way) my experiences with 10.04 and 10.10 are getting worse. So please, please, focus more on bug fixing than on introducing new user ui, which already is really good! -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
I am getting most of my people to stick with 10.04 (LTS). I will be trying out a few newer releases but only on a spare partition especially at first. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 22:49, Tom 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: I am getting most of my people to stick with 10.04 (LTS). I will be trying out a few newer releases but only on a spare partition especially at first. I am also on 10.04 - although 9.10 would have been the better LTS. Please, please focus on the quality and only then on further improvements of usability. Ubuntu already is very usable. Please focus on removing the bugs. -- Martin Wildam http://www.google.com/profiles/mwildam -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
Because of the latest problems with network-manager I tried wicd - and bum - next bug report. Currently I think I could spend the whole day with bug reporting... - that is sad... -- Martin Wildam http://www.google.com/profiles/mwildam -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 01:50, Faldegast 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: Nobody thinks of paying a yearly license for having tubes in the wall - no - people pay the plumber when they need him/her for putting additional tubes or doing repair work. I think, it should be the same for software. The advantage of software is that it can be easier duplicated and easier offered than the tubes. Actually they do. Its called insurance. You pay a monthly fee and if your tubes need to be repaired you are not hit with a overwhelming cost. You are right - and I mixed up a few different models. My tube example was comparing to a Windows license and not to a model where you get the software and pay extra and optional for support - as Red Hat offers for example. Perhaps this should be integrated with Ubuntu brainstorm, and other sites where such pledges get more exposure? There are also cofundos.org, and possibly other sites? I would find it good to combine/link Launchpad with brainstorm and integrate something like pledgebank or cofundos - Whether it is a bug or a new feature request, I don't see so much difference in how it should be handled. Even for bugs sometimes it turns out that a complete different solution is better than a quick-and-dirty fix. I am talking about a commercial version with support, marketing and distribution. And more important, an OEM program. Oh, I understand - I thought that such also already exists. ASFAIK everyone can buy support from Canonical. I personally find those extra commercial versions which maybe include additional patches or maybe not is not very attractive. I like to have one thing and pay for the appropriate support when I have a problem that could need the implementation of a particular fix. Actually i think Microsoft expect Students to buy a computer with an OEM license and then get the student version, and actually pay more then they have to That was exactly what I meant. They try to create a dependency. DonationCoder (http://www.donationcoder.com/) also have several approaches for funding software development, from micro-donations up to custom-made software request handling through forums. I think, to build an Ubuntu for people seeking for programs to be written or bugs to be fixed, combined with a simple way of donation/payment, would be a big gain for Ubuntu. - Especially for companies with need to optimize their overall performance (and the computer is often an important tool for efficient administration in a company). Actually i think that is great. But most users don't take time for this. They would rather buy a box and expect the source of that box to fund such development. Yes, agree - not the home users - but you were refering to companies with commercial versions and support. The companies are important to address. IMHO in the home user field Ubuntu cannot be stopped any more in the long run - especially if Ubuntu continues to develop so well as it did in the last one or two years. Of course - as also has been mentioned - it is important to attract developers to address Linux also. Most Windows developers I know are completely ignorant of everything else but Windows although they get beaten by their master (this year use winforms, the next year - oh no - switch to wpf please). One reason might be that software development is under pressure anyway already (so many software vendors - and basically no money needed for a startup or single person to get started). Addressing multiple environments increases complexity signiicantly. And packaging then also must be done separately for each platform. And what options are for a platform agnostic way? Java, Python and Mono - and several very little other players. I do not consider C(++) here because it needs recompile on all supported platforms which then must be maintained at developer side (compiling from source is not an option for getting widely adopted). From those 3 only Java is very well established and many try to ban it to server side only although IMHO the option with the least required effort to make it work on all platforms. Python would also be a good choice but the runtime not widely spread so far (I don't know any Windows workstations at customers where the Python runtime is installed). So for the developers or software vendors it is not an easy thing to develop for multiple platforms - maybe a reason why so many new softwares come as web application and desktop applications still focus on the Windows platform. What does Canonical recommend for companies planning a migration to Ubuntu on the desktop within the next - let's say - 5 years? What should companies do if they need some software development now? OK, this maybe again not seems very relevant to Bug #1, but IMHO there are many factors playing together. Home users buy there hardware often at different shops where companies do and I guess Bug #1 would like to address both groups. -- Martin Wildam http
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
It is not just that Ubuntu has developed a lot over the last 2 or 3 years. Users expectations and hardware have developed into areas either already covered by linux kernels or easily implemented as Unix was developed to be a multi-everything system. The introduction of dual/quad-core cpus caught MicroSquish off-balance. They were eventually able to get 64bit versions of their OS using it but the rest of their 64bit systems weren't really ready for widespread use (is anything they use ever ready? I mean before they have dropped support for it). By the time MicroSquish were ready for multi-cores linux already had it in even lowly 1 'man' 32bit distros. MicroSquish still can't cope with multiple hard-drives in anything but a very broken way. Mmm, shortcut links (that often break) to certain folders, tasty. Multi-user 'security' in Windows is still badly implemented, even for single users it is a joke but one that people put a huge amount of effort into without actually solving the inherent flaws in the system. Are Windows 32biut versions able to handle threading well in multi-core machines? Do their 64bit versions work for everything else yet? People still have low expectations and low levels of understanding about their systems, at least outside of linux-world. People just don't care about poorly produced reports or other documents. It is what they are used to now. Shops are happy to sell extra hard-drives without making it easy to access them. Blame the user and shame them into not daring to ask questions. Also the forks/off-shoots that have gone on to develop further (such as the various Spanish Governments ones) have fed back into Ubuntu main as have nifty developments first seen in a plethora of totally unrelated distros. Linux kernel developments have benefitted Ubuntu hugely too of course. Yes, Ubuntu has moved on hugely in the past couple of years but this is not always purely down to Ubuntu's work. OpenSource is really fantastic like that :) Regards from Tom :) -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
You're absolutely right, Tom. And don't forget our beloved X window system. Long before MS as released its poor and system resource eater Aero, the linux community was ''playing'' with the great Compiz and its cube. And there are some people who still think that Linux has not a graphical environment. Go Linux, zakzor -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
RE: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
at customers where the Python runtime is installed). So for the developers or software vendors it is not an easy thing to develop for multiple platforms - maybe a reason why so many new softwares come as web application and desktop applications still focus on the Windows platform. What does Canonical recommend for companies planning a migration to Ubuntu on the desktop within the next - let's say - 5 years? What should companies do if they need some software development now? OK, this maybe again not seems very relevant to Bug #1, but IMHO there are many factors playing together. Home users buy there hardware often at different shops where companies do and I guess Bug #1 would like to address both groups. -- Martin Wildam http://www.google.com/profiles/mwildam -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 11:51, Artem Karimov sky...@gmail.com wrote: We are just all tired of guys that respond to help proposals saying go f*ck yourself. It is _really_ annoying. Let me neutralize the annoying comment: I would like thank you all for the engagement, the hard work and for the coherence and team spirit that is behind Ubuntu. Whenever I go to the local Ubuntu-Austria meeting I see people I would work with on any project. It's just awesome to see how immediately people help each other. -- Martin Wildam http://www.google.com/profiles/mwildam -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 23:21, Faldegast 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: In 2007 the market for a software store was very immature. Now everyone got one. There is Appstore, Android Market, Chrome Web Store, and Microsofts specs for Windows 8 suggests they are planning one. I think it is necessary to have a software store - for one reason: Just to make it easy to buy the commercial software one wants to use - and then of course the installation must be easy (which on Ubuntu in general already is). If it is hard for people to find, buy and install the software they want to use (and maybe don't know the name of the tool upfront), they might blame the OS for it. That said, regarding making money with/for/from Ubuntu (I read in the news about the money perspective) I thought of the core advantage of Open Source Software: Pay for effort - for work. Nobody thinks of paying a yearly license for having tubes in the wall - no - people pay the plumber when they need him/her for putting additional tubes or doing repair work. I think, it should be the same for software. The advantage of software is that it can be easier duplicated and easier offered than the tubes. In addition to a software store I think what should be introduced in the same easy way is something like pledgebank (http://www.pledgebank.com/) - a platform that allows to easily put money together for implementing feature x or asking for fixing the bug y. Let's say 20 companies are asking for the same thing that maybe costs - lets say - 1 dollar to implement/fix, it would cost 500 per company. And this payed for one developer working for approximately a month (assuming a country with high taxes). Asking money for using Ubuntu in general (if it is only 10 Dollar, I read about such ideas a few days ago) is not a good idea IMHO. In Hungary for example Microsoft is asking a similar amount for student version of Windows+MSOffice (yes it is like drug-dealing in front of the schools...). DonationCoder (http://www.donationcoder.com/) also have several approaches for funding software development, from micro-donations up to custom-made software request handling through forums. I think, to build an Ubuntu for people seeking for programs to be written or bugs to be fixed, combined with a simple way of donation/payment, would be a big gain for Ubuntu. - Especially for companies with need to optimize their overall performance (and the computer is often an important tool for efficient administration in a company). -- Martin Wildam http://www.google.com/profiles/mwildam -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
RE: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 23:21, Faldegast 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: In 2007 the market for a software store was very immature. Now everyone got one. There is Appstore, Android Market, Chrome Web Store, and Microsofts specs for Windows 8 suggests they are planning one. I think it is necessary to have a software store - for one reason: Just to make it easy to buy the commercial software one wants to use - and then of course the installation must be easy (which on Ubuntu in general already is). If it is hard for people to find, buy and install the software they want to use (and maybe don't know the name of the tool upfront), they might blame the OS for it. I think thats one reason. Attracting the developers that currently does not target Ubuntu/Linux is another. That said, regarding making money with/for/from Ubuntu (I read in the news about the money perspective) I thought of the core advantage of Open Source Software: Pay for effort - for work. Nobody thinks of paying a yearly license for having tubes in the wall - no - people pay the plumber when they need him/her for putting additional tubes or doing repair work. I think, it should be the same for software. The advantage of software is that it can be easier duplicated and easier offered than the tubes. Actually they do. Its called insurance. You pay a monthly fee and if your tubes need to be repaired you are not hit with a overwhelming cost. And thats quite similar to software support agreements. You pay a yearly fee and when you run into problems, you have someone that will fix it. There is a huge difference between FOSS business models and closed source business models. If i don't want commercial support, i can download and use the software. If i want commersial support I can buy RHEL subscriptions, as an example. The software however, is still free. In addition to a software store I think what should be introduced in the same easy way is something like pledgebank (http://www.pledgebank.com/) - a platform that allows to easily put money together for implementing feature x or asking for fixing the bug y. Let's say 20 companies are asking for the same thing that maybe costs - lets say - 1 dollar to implement/fix, it would cost 500 per company. And this payed for one developer working for approximately a month (assuming a country with high taxes). Perhaps this should be integrated with Ubuntu brainstorm, and other sites where such pledges get more exposure? There are also cofundos.org, and possibly other sites? Asking money for using Ubuntu in general (if it is only 10 Dollar, I read about such ideas a few days ago) is not a good idea IMHO. In Hungary for example Microsoft is asking a similar amount for student version of Windows+MSOffice (yes it is like drug-dealing in front of the schools...). We already have such an offer for students. Its available for download at www.ubuntu.org. :) I am talking about a commercial version with support, marketing and distribution. And more important, an OEM program. Actually i think Microsoft expect Students to buy a computer with an OEM license and then get the student version, and actually pay more then they have to and thats even more evil... DonationCoder (http://www.donationcoder.com/) also have several approaches for funding software development, from micro-donations up to custom-made software request handling through forums. I think, to build an Ubuntu for people seeking for programs to be written or bugs to be fixed, combined with a simple way of donation/payment, would be a big gain for Ubuntu. - Especially for companies with need to optimize their overall performance (and the computer is often an important tool for efficient administration in a company). Actually i think that is great. But most users don't take time for this. They would rather buy a box and expect the source of that box to fund such development. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
On Sat, 2010-10-23 at 05:36 +, Alex M. Lowe wrote: Wow. That's what I call a well thought-out, logically-argued, polite and in-depth comment right there. Stay classy. He was cooked up on deep fried, non-organic, proprietary software. He needs to go on a raw, organic, freshly squeeze, free software juice fast. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:32 PM, »John« 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: If we (society) are training our students purely to be users (consumers) of software then we will see the exact effect that you describe (in the domain of OS'es and computing, at least). (Bug #1 has in effect created a whole generation of consumers who view computers as a way to get to entertainment). In other words we get what we deserve/ask for. Maybe we should really change the status to won't fix after all, for obvious reasons; but I guess it's better to stay positive and go on with in progress, waiting for a radical global change of mind (hopefully somewhere in the near future) or we're screwed anyway. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:03 AM, kredh 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: ** Branch linked: lp:kassie -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:23 PM, houstonbofh 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: On 10/20/2010 12:58 PM, Setve Gentilly wrote: Hi, I have 4 computers that I cannot even install Ubuntu on because Ubuntu does not have the necessary drivers. There are another 2 that I can install Ubuntu on but because the video drivers are not very good they do not function at full capacity and my add-in cards don't have drivers for Ubuntu. My systems are high-end machines, not your stock stuff that Ubuntu works on. So you see until Ubuntu makes drivers for all these wonderful add-in cards and proper video drivers Ubuntu will not exist in my house. I don't believe you. I have high end machines too... They all work. (About 25) Some took some effort, but only a few systems with old and cheap stuff. This is being typed on a Gigabyte X58A-UD3R motherboard with a Inetl Corei7 Quad core, and nVidia GTS250 graphics with 24 gig of ram. (Work system, so that is why the low end graphics) Worked out of the box with Lucid. I believe there is a lot more to your story. Like perhaps your high end stuff is the cheapest Chinese components you can source... And they don't have drivers? shock Those can take a bit more effort. Or perhaps the well known Intel i855 graphics chipset bug? (Fixed in Maverik, by the way) Only being willing to put an hour into learning a new system is not a bug we can easily patch. But if you want help, go ahead and e-mail me. I bet I can find drivers for much of your stuff. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Kip Warner k...@thevertigo.com wrote: Beautifully said Randall. You touched the essence of why the consumer zombies just doesn't understand the world of free software. They generally just want to consume and produce nothing. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 3:22 AM, Kip Warner k...@thevertigo.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 05:19 +, Setve Gentilly wrote: I would love nothing better than to replace some of these people's unlicensed OS with Ubuntu. But unfortunately I don't have the know how or experience to do that because I don't find Ubuntu user friendly (from a Windows perspective). I had my mother and others on Ubuntu because, besides ethical concerns with non-free software, I didn't find Windows or OS X to be user friendly. So you see, we echo one another. There is an old saying, There is no technical solution to an attitude problem. You must be more specific in what you did not find user friendly. -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred http://www.thevertigo.com -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 4:10 AM, Tom 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: Hi :) There is not really any must do in linux. Linux seems to be about offering choices, about offering freedom OF choice. As we know Windows provides freedom FROM choice and so it is the preference for most people. I found the best way to learn how to install and use linux was to learn how to install it as a dual-boot and switch the default so that it boots into Windows automatically unless i was fast enough to choose linux at boot-up. This meant i could deal with problems at my own pace without being unable to use the machine in the normal ways i was used to. Now when i help people with ther machine's i put a dual-boot of a linux, usually Ubuntu but not always (there are smaller and lighter distros for Win98 machines) and then sort the usual stuff such as Medibuntu and install Gimp fo photo editing. I find medibuntu tends to sort all multimedia issues without me having to find drivers for things https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu Finally i set-up firefox with bookmarks into Community and official documentation, the 2 main Answers Forums (launchpad (that is this one) and ubuntuforums.com) and also to the general linux answers forum at http://www.linuxquestions.org and usually to the rather excellent distrowatch because i know that soem discussion about other distros will crop up in conversations later http://distrowatch.com Then after i hand the machine back they hardly ever notice that linux is on their machine until we have a few chats over the next few weeks. When people have found that Windows still works normally and better/faster for the fixes i have done then it is a bit late for them to freak out about the FUD they have probably heard about it. Regards from Tom :) -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 5:04 AM, Tom 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: I find that after a decent install most people don't even notice that they are using a different OS. Firefox is there and the menus easy to navigate. Documents open with a double-click. As G stated it is the install process that is the most difficult part. We try to make that easy and many people have lists of what to do after a basic install in blogs and websites or in magazines. Forums are quite accessible and documentation aimed at noobs is quite prolific but still all the difficult part of the migration process is right at the start of using linux. This is the specific point of this bug#1 because a 'pre-installed' linux is very easy to use. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 6:49 AM, Martin Wildam 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:04, Tom 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: I find that after a decent install most people don't even notice that they are using a different OS. Firefox is there and the menus easy to navigate. Documents open with a double-click. I don't fully agree - e.g. Movie player is not playing a lot of videos. Need to use VLC for those - so VLC must be installed and for different files open with must be changed to use VLC instead of movie player by default. I tend to instruct people to first double-click and when it does not work use right mouse button and open with VLC. This is easier than trying to find a sample for each possible format and change default open. Similar applies for sound formats. And there are IMHO some other first-to-dos, be it tools to install (like gsmartcontrol, Thunderbird, ...) and some options to change. - But I don't want to complain about this because I have plenty more first-to-dos under Win* and on Ubuntu I start the Synaptic, go once through the list, ticking everything I want and then save the list to an external file and never need to do it again manually. As G stated it is the install process that is the most difficult part. No, really, the installation is straight-forward. As with 10.10 it either already starts preparing the harddrive while I do the last inputs, is awesome - as well as WLAN already available and downloading the updates already on the go. And with net access it already knows the country I am in (regarding time settings). So there is nothing more I wish to have. We try to make that easy and many people have lists of what to do after a basic install in blogs and websites or in magazines. One idea: You could grab the most used sets of pre-installations and pre-sets and offer that as additional option at installation, e.g. similar as Fedora does, asking the user for typical use Home user, Developer, Designer/Photographer, ... - that probably would make it easier for a lot of people and for Canonical it would be just running a few additional apt-get install lines and maybe some default configuration files. I personally already have some files containing those, so for me no problem as it. -- Martin Wildam http://www.google.com/profiles/mwildam -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:23 PM, houstonbofh 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: On 10/20/2010 12:58 PM, Setve Gentilly wrote: Hi, I have 4 computers that I cannot even install Ubuntu on because Ubuntu does not have the necessary drivers. There are another 2 that I can install Ubuntu on but because the video drivers are not very good they do not function at full capacity and my add-in cards don't have drivers for Ubuntu. My systems are high-end machines, not your stock stuff that Ubuntu works on. So you see until Ubuntu makes drivers for all these wonderful add-in cards and proper video drivers Ubuntu will not exist in my house. I don't believe you. I have high end machines too... They all work. (About 25) Some took some effort, but only a few systems with old and cheap stuff. This is being typed on a Gigabyte X58A-UD3R motherboard with a Inetl Corei7 Quad core, and nVidia GTS250 graphics with 24 gig of ram. (Work system, so that is why the low end graphics) Worked out of the box with Lucid. I believe there is a lot more to your story. Like perhaps your high end stuff is the cheapest Chinese components you can source... And they don't have drivers? shock Those can take a bit more effort. Or perhaps the well known Intel i855 graphics chipset bug? (Fixed in Maverik, by the way) Only being willing to put an hour into learning a new system is not a bug we can easily patch. But if you want help, go ahead and e-mail me. I bet I can find drivers for much of your stuff. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Artem Karimov sky...@gmail.com wrote: Just specify your problem as precisely as possible, without missing any details. This way we will either generate a solution to your problem or, at least, a work-around. On 21 October 2010 09:19, Setve Gentilly 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: Hi Kip, I would like you to understand the following, I hate Microsoft, I hate what they are doing, I hate what they stand for and what I hate the most is having to pay hard earned money for 0's and 1's. I love the Open Source concept and it should be the *ONLY* way to go. There is NOTHING MORE I would like than to be able to use Ubuntu on all my machines. I am constantly looking for Microsoft alternatives. I have been in computers since 1992 and all my learned experience is on Dos, Windows (Microsoft Certifications), some Netware and very little on Linux. I am now retired and for some weird reason I am busier now than I was in the past. I do a lot of charitable work repairing and fixing defective computers for people who cannot afford to bring their PC's to the repair shop. Unfortunately 99% of the people have Windows installed on their PC's. And that I can fix. I would love nothing better than to replace some of these people's unlicensed OS with Ubuntu. But unfortunately I don't have the know how or experience to do that because I don't find Ubuntu user friendly (from a Windows perspective). So if one of you SMUCKS (wink, lol) is willing to put the effort in my proposed project, then I am willing to put in 150% effort to do this. And yes I will become responsible for spreading Ubuntu on (at least) a small to medium scale. What do you think, can we do this??? Best regards, Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Kip Warner k...@thevertigo.com wrote: Beautifully said Randall. You touched the essence of why the consumer zombies just doesn't understand the world of free software. They generally just want to consume and produce nothing. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid
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. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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This is exactly what happens when we're enslaved under a monopoly...put yourself back in the early 90's -mid 90's and you bought a mac...you'll say the same thing: WTF I cant install MS Office to my mac...my mac diskettes does not work on a pc... sigh... GNU/Linux specifically Ubuntu OS has grown and continually growing in a rapid phase...We live a real world were there are optimists and pessimiststhere will be people who want proof to believe and be spoonfed... there will also be people like those who bother to follow this thread, support each other and build local ubuntu communities worldwide, and will stick together and wait until the OS monopoly ends. On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 10:53 PM, Kip Warner k...@thevertigo.com wrote: On Sat, 2010-10-23 at 05:36 +, Alex M. Lowe wrote: Wow. That's what I call a well thought-out, logically-argued, polite and in-depth comment right there. Stay classy. He was cooked up on deep fried, non-organic, proprietary software. He needs to go on a raw, organic, freshly squeeze, free software juice fast. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Tom 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: So 30mins to install Ubuntu against 1hr30 to install Windows. Did the Windows system then need upgrades or additional software? After the first round of updates and reboot were all the drivers, codecs and new programs all up-to-date and fully patched? Installing a system you know well (Windows), with the standard preparation you do before an install to that particular set of hardware does not really compare against installing a system you have no experience with and have not prepared for in advance. Comparing is difficult when you are not comparing like with like. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Martin Wildam 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 14:07, Tom 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: This bug report is not about how difficult or easy OSes are to install. It is about how difficult it is to buy a machine with a decent OS pre-installed. Yes, thanks for reminding. But wouldn't it be more likely that more systems come with Ubuntu preinstalled, if it is more easy to install it? At least for the small PC shop around the corner it should be. Bigger shops for sure have everything automated. But how do they do when a new model appears? At least for the first of a new product line they must do it manually, isn't it? -- Martin Wildam http://www.google.com/profiles/mwildam -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:26 PM, mzc 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: Bug #1 description is outdated! Microsoft windows is a fading os due to its failure to innovate. We should focus more on why do i use this _ os, what apps do use in the ___that i cannot find in Ubuntu os. I saying this because for the past few years,Apple has successfully gained market for Macs and ios devices, while Google has also published success on their Apps. Hence, where does Ubuntu os stands. IMO, Ubuntu is in right path with its current release, but we have to focus on innovation to break to critical mass. On Oct 21, 2010 7:43 AM, Artem Karimov sky...@gmail.com wrote: -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Tom 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: or we could just keep going as we are to achieve critical mass http://blogs.eweek.com/applewatch/content/macbook/microsoft_ceo_scoffs_at_mac_share_gains.html http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2010/09/debunking-the-1-myth.html 4% or perhaps higher seems about right to me. i keep bumping into people that have heard of Ubuntu. Not all the time but it does happen -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Randall Ross (rrnwexec) rand...@executiv.es wrote: Ubuntu awareness (and use) is very very low by our measurements so far. We're conducting random public surveys in Vancouver BC to get an actual percentage. Our goal is 1000 people asked What is Ubuntu? We're not publishing until we have a stastistically valid sample. Stay tuned for results ;) Want to try it in your city/town? Email me for the methodology. On 10-10-21 10:55 AM, Tom wrote: 4% or perhaps higher seems about right to me. i keep bumping into people that have heard of Ubuntu. Not all the time but it does happen -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Faldegast 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: What i suggest for Ubuntu is the following: 1. A Ubuntu/Linux/Elf software store. It should be designed so that it can ship applications for many OS:es, not just Ubuntu. 2. A Ubuntu Pro commercial offering. Including boxed Ubuntu, a manual, and support. Also some commercial stuff like DVD player. Ubuntu currently has Fluendo Windows Media and MP3 Playback Pack, Fluendo Complete Playback Pack and PowerDVD Linux in its online shop. These should either be provided trough a software store, or included in Ubuntu Pro. I would also see more commercial Linux applications there. For example i know there is a Ubuntu version of Majesty. I know for sure that i would buy that. 3. Both of above need a reseller plan. OEMs that preinstall a software store or Ubuntu Pro have to make money out of it. And Ubuntu pro should not be cheap. A software store and a commercial Linux with a distribution network is what we need. I am certain that this is exactly what we need. For servers we have RHEL but for clients the only thing available is Mandriva, but they effort to build a distribution network is to weak. They focus on an online store, and I believe thats their weakness. Operating Systems is OEM products and they are usually sold with computers, so we must target the OEM builders. While i have talked a lot about technology on this issue, technology is not a #1 bug issue. We have technology, what we need to fix bug #1 is marketing. There is no reason why Linux should have less usage share then OS X. Linux can run on much more hardware that OS X supports, and it have a great community. On another front, i think the idea of recycling old computers with Ubuntu and give them to those that cannot afford a brand new PC is excellent. I have done this a lot with lubuntu on really old computers. I also have a ThinLinc server that can be used to run applications that old computers are to weak to run. Its not fast enough for youtube, however they can play mpeg2. Perhaps an application like minitube can use a proxy server for transcoding to mpeg2 before a clip reach the old box? Martin, True. Again i agree with that and i think we are in agreement again. So the various points people have made are valid except where we talk about noobs installing. Surely a shop that installs to perhaps tens of machines has time to play around with even just 1 and has probably noticed all the quirkiness of installing Windows onto a wide range of very different machines and might realise that lack of knowledge might be the main barrier to a smoother install of Ubuntu (or other distro). Perhaps it is those people that we should target rather than normal users or people that do the odd one or two. Continuing to approach both is probably still best. Regards from Tom :) -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1
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You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 1:37 PM, mzc 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: @faldegast. You are suggesting an approach that led to mandriva 's downfall. On Oct 22, 2010 10:26 AM, Faldegast 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: What i suggest for Ubuntu is the following: 1. A Ubuntu/Linux/Elf software store. It should be designed so that it can ship applications for many OS:es, not just Ubuntu. 2. A Ubuntu Pro commercial offering. Including boxed Ubuntu, a manual, and support. Also some commercial stuff like DVD player. Ubuntu currently has Fluendo Windows Media and MP3 Playback Pack, Fluendo Complete Playback Pack and PowerDVD Linux in its online shop. These should either be provided trough a software store, or included in Ubuntu Pro. I would also see more commercial Linux applications there. For example i know there is a Ubuntu version of Majesty. I know for sure that i would buy that. 3. Both of above need a reseller plan. OEMs that preinstall a software store or Ubuntu Pro have to make money out of it. And Ubuntu pro should not be cheap. A software store and a commercial Linux with a distribution network is what we need. I am certain that this is exactly what we need. For servers we have RHEL but for clients the only thing available is Mandriva, but they effort to build a distribution network is to weak. They focus on an online store, and I believe thats their weakness. Operating Systems is OEM products and they are usually sold with computers, so we must target the OEM builders. While i have talked a lot about technology on this issue, technology is not a #1 bug issue. We have technology, what we need to fix bug #1 is marketing. There is no reason why Linux should have less usage share then OS X. Linux can run on much more hardware that OS X supports, and it have a great community. On another front, i think the idea of recycling old computers with Ubuntu and give them to those that cannot afford a brand new PC is excellent. I have done this a lot with lubuntu on really old computers. I also have a ThinLinc server that can be used to run applications that old computers are to weak to run. Its not fast enough for youtube, however they can play mpeg2. Perhaps an application like minitube can use a proxy server for transcoding to mpeg2 before a clip reach the old box? Martin, True. Again i agree with that and i think we are in agreement again. So the various points people have made are valid except where we talk about noobs installing. Surely a shop that installs to perhaps tens of machines has time to play around with even just 1 and has probably noticed all the quirkiness of installing Windows onto a wide range of very different machines and might realise that lack of knowledge might be the main barrier to a smoother install of Ubuntu (or other distro). Perhaps it is those people that we should target rather than normal users or people that do the odd one or two. Continuing to approach both is probably still best. Regards from Tom :) -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Randall Ross (rrnwexec) rand...@executiv.es wrote: @mzc I agree. @faldegast: 1) Why would we market a kernel? 2) Running Ubuntu on scrap/old is not putting our best foot forward, and creates support issues. 3) For the server side, we have Ubuntu Server. 4) Ubuntu Software Centre is just that: a store for Ubuntu-compatible software. The extension of USC to non-Ubuntu platforms would be nightmarish in complexity. On 10-10-22 10:37 AM, mzc wrote: @faldegast. You are suggesting an approach that led to mandriva 's downfall. On Oct 22, 2010 10:26 AM, Faldegast 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: What i suggest for Ubuntu is the following: 1. A Ubuntu/Linux/Elf software store. It should be designed so that it can ship applications for many OS:es, not just Ubuntu. 2. A Ubuntu Pro commercial offering. Including boxed Ubuntu, a manual, and support. Also some commercial stuff like DVD player. Ubuntu currently has Fluendo Windows Media and MP3 Playback Pack, Fluendo Complete Playback Pack and PowerDVD Linux in its online shop. These should either be provided trough a software store, or included in Ubuntu Pro. I would also see more commercial Linux applications there. For example i know there is a Ubuntu version of Majesty. I know for sure that i would buy that. 3. Both of above need a reseller plan. OEMs that preinstall a software store or Ubuntu Pro have to make money out of it. And Ubuntu pro should not be cheap. A software store and a commercial Linux with a distribution network is what we need. I am certain that this is exactly what we need. For servers we have RHEL but for clients the only thing available is Mandriva, but they effort to build a distribution network is to weak. They focus on an online store, and I believe thats their weakness. Operating Systems is OEM products and they are usually sold with computers, so we must target the OEM builders. While i have talked a lot about technology on this issue, technology is not a #1 bug issue. We have technology, what we need to fix bug #1 is marketing. There is no reason why Linux should have less usage share then OS X. Linux can run on much more hardware that OS X supports, and it have a great community. On another front, i think the idea of recycling old computers with Ubuntu and give them to those that cannot afford a brand new PC is excellent. I have done this a lot with lubuntu on really old computers. I also have a ThinLinc server that can be used to run applications that old computers are to weak to run. Its not fast enough for youtube, however they can play mpeg2. Perhaps an application like minitube can use a proxy server for transcoding to mpeg2 before a clip reach the old box? Martin, True. Again i agree with that and i think we are in agreement again. So the various points people have made are valid except where we talk about noobs installing. Surely a shop that installs to perhaps tens of machines has time to play around with even just 1 and has probably noticed all the quirkiness of installing Windows onto a wide range of very different machines and might realise that lack of knowledge might be the main barrier to a smoother install of Ubuntu (or other distro). Perhaps it is those people that we should target rather than normal users or people that do the odd one or two. Continuing to approach both is probably still best. Regards from Tom :) -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug
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Please don't spam your comment multiple times to be heard (you won't be). Also, it is quite rude to refer to us as 'your type'; if you don't think Ubuntu is 'worthy of your attention' then please stop and leave. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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Get lost. We will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if you are worthy of our attention. On 23.10.2010, at 07:26, Setve Gentilly wrote: You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Randall Ross (rrnwexec) rand...@executiv.es wrote: Not certified (yet). The complete list of Ubuntu-certified systems is here: http://webapps.ubuntu.com/certification/ On 10-10-20 12:05 PM, Setve Gentilly wrote: Hi, one more time. Another example; I have a AMD system with an Ultra SCSI card from Tekram, No flavor of Ubuntu will install on those 10k Seagate drives because you don't have drivers for that card... Regards, Gentilli. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
Get lost. We will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if you are worthy of our attention. On 23.10.2010, at 07:27, Setve Gentilly wrote: You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Randall Ross (rrnwexec) rand...@executiv.es wrote: Quite true. If you've ever watched a new user work with Ubuntu, you'll likely have noticed that they have a much easier time than experienced computer users. No bad habits to unlearn, and they tend to involve themselves less with tinkering on unsupported (and uncertified) hardware. You want Ubuntu to be as easy for a beginner to install with no experience as Windows is for an expert with years of experience. That is the bug... Unreasonable expectations. And the thought that Windows is Computer and if you know Windows you know computers. Not so helpfull with Mac, Linux, HP-UX, Aix, Solaris, AS400, VMS, or a number of accounting specific systems. Now if you give the same test to your grandmother, I bet Linux is easier. And this is the reason I responded. People keep looking at the wrong bug. The bug is that we did not tell you this BEFORE you started. Now it is too late... -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Get lost. We will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if you are worthy of our attention. On 23.10.2010, at 07:27, Setve Gentilly wrote: You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Tom 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: If you choose quite a variety of hardware then Windows wont work. Entire ranges of cpu chips are supported by linux but not by Windows. Entire types of products perform really badly with Windows (such as netbooks) but work really fast with linux. All the space-station systems went down due to a virus, at least all the Windows systems but commandcontrol was fine because it was all on linux. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Get lost. We will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if you are worthy of our attention. On 23.10.2010, at 07:28, Setve Gentilly wrote: You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Artem Karimov sky...@gmail.com wrote: In terminal: sudo apt-add-repository ppa:ubuntu-x-swat sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get upgrade and you have 3D acceleration. On 20 October 2010 22:21, Setve Gentilly 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: Hi again, Let me explain it another way so that you may have a better idea of what I am trying to explain here. When it came time to install the ATI drivers from ATI, I ran the package and it said nothing to me so I rebooted and guess what, it was not installed. So I then proceeded to install the third party drivers that Ubuntu suggested. Well, what a great performing card It gave 50GFLOPS instead of the 1400GFLOPS Windows gives me. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:23 PM, houstonbofh 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: On 10/20/2010 12:58 PM, Setve Gentilly wrote: Hi, I have 4 computers that I cannot even install Ubuntu on because Ubuntu does not have the necessary drivers. There are another 2 that I can install Ubuntu on but because the video drivers are not very good they do not function at full capacity and my add-in cards don't have drivers for Ubuntu. My systems are high-end machines, not your stock stuff that Ubuntu works on. So you see until Ubuntu makes drivers for all these wonderful add-in cards and proper video drivers Ubuntu will not exist in my house. I don't believe you. I have high end machines too... They all work. (About 25) Some took some effort, but only a few systems with old and cheap stuff. This is being typed on a Gigabyte X58A-UD3R motherboard with a Inetl Corei7 Quad core, and nVidia GTS250 graphics with 24 gig of ram. (Work system, so that is why the low end graphics) Worked out of the box with Lucid. I believe there is a lot more to your story. Like perhaps your high end stuff is the cheapest Chinese components you can source... And they don't have drivers? shock Those can take a bit more effort. Or perhaps the well known Intel i855 graphics chipset bug? (Fixed in Maverik, by the way) Only being willing to put an hour into learning a new system is not a bug we can easily patch. But if you want help, go ahead and e-mail me. I bet I can find drivers for much of your stuff. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre- installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Get lost. We will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if you are worthy of our attention. On 23.10.2010, at 07:28, Setve Gentilly wrote: You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Tom 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: Mzc, quite! My point exactly. The little bit that takes 1hr30 in Windows only takes 30 in Ubuntu with the difference that Ubuntu then has a stack of Office apps and stuff to use. Windows would be a little empty. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: Unknown Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Get lost. We will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if you are worthy of our attention. On 23.10.2010, at 07:29, Setve Gentilly wrote: You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Ben Shadwick benshadw...@gmail.com wrote: ** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #496536 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=496536 ** Also affects: metacity via https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=496536 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: Unknown Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Get lost. We will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if you are worthy of our attention. On 23.10.2010, at 07:29, Setve Gentilly wrote: You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Artem Karimov sky...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry for the offtop but could you please provide the link for the news about space station virus?? Oo On 20 October 2010 23:31, Tom 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: If you choose quite a variety of hardware then Windows wont work. Entire ranges of cpu chips are supported by linux but not by Windows. Entire types of products perform really badly with Windows (such as netbooks) but work really fast with linux. All the space-station systems went down due to a virus, at least all the Windows systems but commandcontrol was fine because it was all on linux. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Artem Karimov (https://launchpad.net/~a.karimovhttps://launchpad.net/%7Ea.karimov ) -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: Unknown Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
Get lost. We will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if you are worthy of our attention. On 23.10.2010, at 07:32, Setve Gentilly wrote: You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:21 PM, »John« 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: With bad drivers, you will get bit, whatever OS you run. This is not a Linux bug, but for some reason, Linux gets the blame, and Windows and the hardware manufactures get a pass. My point exactly. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
Get lost. We will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if you are worthy of our attention. On 23.10.2010, at 07:32, Setve Gentilly wrote: You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:48 PM, »John« 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: This is not a Linux bug, but for some reason, Linux gets the blame, and Windows and the hardware manufactures get a pass. One more thing: I'm incredibly sorry to say so, but I forgot to mention that that reason is probably more and more people being stupid and getting more and more stupid as the time passes - that's a sad fact that probably just about every teacher out there can confirm (I recently joined the club and pretty much the whole class - almost all of them senior teacher professionals - seems to be thinking the same); no offence to anyone here intended. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
Get lost. We will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if you are worthy of our attention. On 23.10.2010, at 07:33, Setve Gentilly wrote: You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Randall Ross (rrnwexec) rand...@executiv.es wrote: The concept of a computer being a bicycle for the mind might be helpful here, and might be worth revisiting. If we (society) are training our students purely to be users (consumers) of software then we will see the exact effect that you describe (in the domain of OS'es and computing, at least). (Bug #1 has in effect created a whole generation of consumers who view computers as a way to get to entertainment). We should instead be aiming to teach people to be creators and contributors, so their information access tools remain robust and enable any one to get to any and all information they need to educate themselves. Ubuntu is taking that challenge head-on. However, we're still not able to channel all the energy that is lost to distractions such as Facebook, YouTube, Farmville, WoW, and similar things that also tend to dumb down (or at least divert). That will require a lot more code... On 10-10-20 02:48 PM, »John« wrote: One more thing: I'm incredibly sorry to say so, but I forgot to mention that that reason is probably more and more people being stupid and getting more and more stupid as the time passes - that's a sad fact that probably just about every teacher out there can confirm (I recently joined the club and pretty much the whole class - almost all of them senior teacher professionals - seems to be thinking the same); no offence to anyone here intended. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Get lost. We will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if you are worthy of our attention. On 23.10.2010, at 08:01, Setve Gentilly wrote: You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:03 AM, kredh 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: ** Branch linked: lp:kassie -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Get lost. We will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if you are worthy of our attention. On 23.10.2010, at 08:01, Setve Gentilly wrote: You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:23 PM, houstonbofh 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: On 10/20/2010 12:58 PM, Setve Gentilly wrote: Hi, I have 4 computers that I cannot even install Ubuntu on because Ubuntu does not have the necessary drivers. There are another 2 that I can install Ubuntu on but because the video drivers are not very good they do not function at full capacity and my add-in cards don't have drivers for Ubuntu. My systems are high-end machines, not your stock stuff that Ubuntu works on. So you see until Ubuntu makes drivers for all these wonderful add-in cards and proper video drivers Ubuntu will not exist in my house. I don't believe you. I have high end machines too... They all work. (About 25) Some took some effort, but only a few systems with old and cheap stuff. This is being typed on a Gigabyte X58A-UD3R motherboard with a Inetl Corei7 Quad core, and nVidia GTS250 graphics with 24 gig of ram. (Work system, so that is why the low end graphics) Worked out of the box with Lucid. I believe there is a lot more to your story. Like perhaps your high end stuff is the cheapest Chinese components you can source... And they don't have drivers? shock Those can take a bit more effort. Or perhaps the well known Intel i855 graphics chipset bug? (Fixed in Maverik, by the way) Only being willing to put an hour into learning a new system is not a bug we can easily patch. But if you want help, go ahead and e-mail me. I bet I can find drivers for much of your stuff. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Get lost. We will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if you are worthy of our attention. On 23.10.2010, at 08:01, Setve Gentilly wrote: You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Kip Warner k...@thevertigo.com wrote: Beautifully said Randall. You touched the essence of why the consumer zombies just doesn't understand the world of free software. They generally just want to consume and produce nothing. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
@Martin That's not a very Ubuntu way of responding. When trolled, just rise above it, don't take the bait and start a noise-war. If you're going to reply, please do it with the code of conduct in mind. Mark -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
We are just all tired of guys that respond to help proposals saying go f*ck yourself. It is _really_ annoying. On 23 October 2010 13:33, Mark Shuttleworth 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: @Martin That's not a very Ubuntu way of responding. When trolled, just rise above it, don't take the bait and start a noise-war. If you're going to reply, please do it with the code of conduct in mind. Mark -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Artem Karimov (https://launchpad.net/~a.karimov) -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Thank you, Mark, for the reminder. I just could not seem to take this kind of stuff from Setve. I promise to behave in a more Ubuntu way from now on. Thanks again! On 23.10.2010, at 11:33, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: @Martin That's not a very Ubuntu way of responding. When trolled, just rise above it, don't take the bait and start a noise-war. If you're going to reply, please do it with the code of conduct in mind. Mark -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Get lost. We will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if you are worthy of our attention. On 23.10.2010, at 07:30, Setve Gentilly wrote: You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Bug Watch Updater 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: ** Changed in: metacity Status: Unknown = In Progress ** Changed in: metacity Importance: Unknown = Low -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Hi Artem, thanks for your understanding. Nevertheless, our BDFL is completely right: Even in the face of a flood of flame mails like the ones I replied to, the only right answer is to remain calm and argue with the facts the flame-boy presented - if any. On 23.10.2010, at 11:51, Artem Karimov wrote: We are just all tired of guys that respond to help proposals saying go f*ck yourself. It is _really_ annoying. On 23 October 2010 13:33, Mark Shuttleworth 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: @Martin That's not a very Ubuntu way of responding. When trolled, just rise above it, don't take the bait and start a noise-war. If you're going to reply, please do it with the code of conduct in mind. Mark -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Artem Karimov (https://launchpad.net/~a.karimov) -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
Get lost. We will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if you are worthy of our attention. On 23.10.2010, at 07:31, Setve Gentilly wrote: You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:05 PM, houstonbofh 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: On 10/20/2010 04:41 PM, »John« wrote: ... not to mention they probably won't even bother if the particular operating system isn't used by what they believe to be enough of their potential customers. I guess you can see why we have a problem with that and every single operating system is gonna be plagued by the exact same problem until it reaches critical mass. This happens with Windows as well. Why write a new driver just because the new version of Windows doesn't work with it? With bad drivers, you will get bit, whatever OS you run. I have a lovely PaperPort scanner that I keep around as just such an object lesson. It only has Windows 95 drivers unless you BUY a new one for more than the cost of a scanner. This is not a Linux bug, but for some reason, Linux gets the blame, and Windows and the hardware manufactures get a pass. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
...they warned me about your type...??? One of the certifications is the brainwash one. @Gentilli: Try to judge people by yourself and not by labels and what other say. zakzor You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
Get lost. We will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if you are worthy of our attention. On 23.10.2010, at 07:30, Setve Gentilly wrote: You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:41 PM, »John« 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: Hi guys. I don't mean to be rude; I just want the message to be perfectly clear because we've been through this shit for like million times already and I'm simply getting sick and tired of hearing the same stupid whining over and over again. Bad hardware support is always caused by stupid hardware manufacturers and not the operating system in question, because someone needs to write the damn drivers! If you leave that up to them, they pretty much always end up spitting out some half broken piece of binary crap, not to mention they probably won't even bother if the particular operating system isn't used by what they believe to be enough of their potential customers. I guess you can see why we have a problem with that and every single operating system is gonna be plagued by the exact same problem until it reaches critical mass. In fact, all they need to do in order for their stuff to be fully and reliably supported on free operating systems is to publicly release the programming documentation (because writing properly working drivers without it within reasonable time frame is impossible), but many of them are simply too stupid to understand that. Until that changes, we're simply screwed, because we're stuck with either crap that can (and will) stop working any time or with nothing at all and there's absolutely not a damn thing you can do about that by yet another pointless GNU/Linux (BSD, Solaris, whatever) rant! So, unless you have some constructive criticism or other valuable ideas, please go post your whining somewhere else! -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
RE: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
No, not really. They did have a pro version yes, but they don't have a distribution network. What i am suggesting is the business model that Microsoft has. Copy that and we will take market share from them. @faldegast. You are suggesting an approach that led to mandriva 's downfall. On Oct 22, 2010 10:26 AM, Faldegast 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: What i suggest for Ubuntu is the following: 1. A Ubuntu/Linux/Elf software store. It should be designed so that it can ship applications for many OS:es, not just Ubuntu. 2. A Ubuntu Pro commercial offering. Including boxed Ubuntu, a manual, and support. Also some commercial stuff like DVD player. Ubuntu currently has Fluendo Windows Media and MP3 Playback Pack, Fluendo Complete Playback Pack and PowerDVD Linux in its online shop. These should either be provided trough a software store, or included in Ubuntu Pro. I would also see more commercial Linux applications there. For example i know there is a Ubuntu version of Majesty. I know for sure that i would buy that. 3. Both of above need a reseller plan. OEMs that preinstall a software store or Ubuntu Pro have to make money out of it. And Ubuntu pro should not be cheap. A software store and a commercial Linux with a distribution network is what we need. I am certain that this is exactly what we need. For servers we have RHEL but for clients the only thing available is Mandriva, but they effort to build a distribution network is to weak. They focus on an online store, and I believe thats their weakness. Operating Systems is OEM products and they are usually sold with computers, so we must target the OEM builders. While i have talked a lot about technology on this issue, technology is not a #1 bug issue. We have technology, what we need to fix bug #1 is marketing. There is no reason why Linux should have less usage share then OS X. Linux can run on much more hardware that OS X supports, and it have a great community. On another front, i think the idea of recycling old computers with Ubuntu and give them to those that cannot afford a brand new PC is excellent. I have done this a lot with lubuntu on really old computers. I also have a ThinLinc server that can be used to run applications that old computers are to weak to run. Its not fast enough for youtube, however they can play mpeg2. Perhaps an application like minitube can use a proxy server for transcoding to mpeg2 before a clip reach the old box? -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
RE: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
1) Linux (commonly pronounced /ˈlɪnəks/ LIN-əks in American English,[4][5] also pronounced /ˈlɪnʊks/ LIN-ooks[6] in Europe and Canada) refers to the family of Unix-like computer operating systems using the Linux kernel. Thats the common use of the word Linux and its quite obvious that i did not talk about the kernel. 2) Thats actually what most people are doing in order to spread Ubuntu, and I agree that it is a good method to spread Ubuntu in a place where Windows cant go. This is not something i suggested, but stated my approval of. There was someone else that posted that they was doing this for people that cannot afford new computers. 3) Yes. And we do not really have a problem on the server side. 4) The creation of a store for both Ubuntu and non-Ubuntu would not be nightmarish using PackageKit. A store? Can you buy applications in USC? How do I add a commercial application to that store? My favourite would actually be something like Java Store. However it would only be good for the few Java applications out there. Take a look at Xandros and their success. CNR seam to work quite well, just to bad that their OS is... Also supporting other OS:es is not a hard requirement. @faldegast: 1) Why would we market a kernel? 2) Running Ubuntu on scrap/old is not putting our best foot forward, and creates support issues. 3) For the server side, we have Ubuntu Server. 4) Ubuntu Software Centre is just that: a store for Ubuntu-compatible software. The extension of USC to non-Ubuntu platforms would be nightmarish in complexity. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
On 10/23/2010 01:19 AM, Setve Gentilly wrote: Why don't you go go yourself you ing ***. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:23 PM, houstonbofh1...@bugs.launchpad.net I don't believe you. Really, that kid of response is a crass way of saying, Ooops... You Got me. And I wonder why I thought you were less than truthful... On 10/23/2010 01:25 AM, Setve Gentilly wrote: I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Having been in the business 25 years, and having had to hire windows support people for many of them, I know the value of those certifications. Nothing... But more than that, it does not jibe with this statement... https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/128236 Asked by Setve Gentilly on on 2010-10-07 I am a computer user, not a technician. I have no intentions in learning a new computer language or how to write programs. That and your crass spamming of the report 50 times... Time to change your screen name again. Amusingly enough, your comment did not bother me. I would still help you work out your Ubuntu problems. But I seriously doubt you want to solve those. Anyway... You stay classy, San Diego. Lee -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
On 10/23/2010 07:00 AM, Faldegast wrote: Take a look at Xandros and their success. CNR seam to work quite well, just to bad that their OS is... In 2006, there was an announcement of CNR for Ubuntu. It was actually in Hardy. It never went anywhere. See http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/02/10/a-dnr-for-linspires-cnr/ for an example of the response. I do agree that the software store could use more prominence, but mixing it up with the FOSS stuff is a bad idea to me. Also, cnr.com appears to be down right now... Amusing timing. :) -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Dear Mark, Words to live by. Regards, Flint On Sat, 23 Oct 2010, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 09:33:20 - From: Mark Shuttleworth 1...@bugs.launchpad.net To: fl...@flint.com Subject: Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share @Martin That's not a very Ubuntu way of responding. When trolled, just rise above it, don't take the bait and start a noise-war. If you're going to reply, please do it with the code of conduct in mind. Mark -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Kindest Regards, Paul Flint (802) 479-2360 / Based upon email reliability concerns, please send an acknowledgment in response to this note. Paul Flint Barre Open Systems Institute 17 Averill Street Barre, VT 05641 http://www.bosivt.org http://www.flint.com/home skype: flintinfotech Work: (202) 537-0480 Consilium _ gratuitum.~. ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) valet/V\ against HTML e-mail X quanti /( )\ www.asciiribbon.org / \ numerantur ^^-^^ -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
RE: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
I think that the official name for CNR is something else now. In 2007 the market for a software store was very immature. Now everyone got one. There is Appstore, Android Market, Chrome Web Store, and Microsofts specs for Windows 8 suggests they are planning one. Yeah, there is people that is not interested in using commercial applications. Then just dont, just because we add something like cnr doesnt mean you have to use it. I don't find mixing the FOSS stuff with commercial apps a bad idea. However i would vote for a way to disable it. Technically they should be in their own repo(s), and therefore easy to enable/disable. Just like we handle non-FOSS like flash player right now. This is not for the hardcore Linux users. I probably would buy some games but nothing else, and many others would not buy anything at all. This is for avarage joe that wants his familiar applications easily available. On 10/23/2010 07:00 AM, Faldegast wrote: Take a look at Xandros and their success. CNR seam to work quite well, just to bad that their OS is... In 2006, there was an announcement of CNR for Ubuntu. It was actually in Hardy. It never went anywhere. See http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/02/10/a-dnr-for-linspires-cnr/ for an example of the response. I do agree that the software store could use more prominence, but mixing it up with the FOSS stuff is a bad idea to me. Also, cnr.com appears to be down right now... Amusing timing. :) -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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@Faldegast The Ubuntu Software Centre (USC) is the way software gets distributed to Ubuntu users. It can accommodate FLOSS, proprietary, and more. New in 10.10 there is a section in USC for commercial apps (that cost money) too. The one thing that all software in USC has in common though is that it is known to work with Ubuntu and can be installed with a single click. (USC is not a place to collect and distribute random software from unknown sources though.) So, are you advocating something bigger than USC? A replacement for it? A more diverse collection of software? Some new features? If so, the best way to proceed would be to write a Blueprint and engage in a discussion with the USC development team. There is a good background document here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter On 10-10-23 02:21 PM, Faldegast wrote: I think that the official name for CNR is something else now. In 2007 the market for a software store was very immature. Now everyone got one. There is Appstore, Android Market, Chrome Web Store, and Microsofts specs for Windows 8 suggests they are planning one. Yeah, there is people that is not interested in using commercial applications. Then just dont, just because we add something like cnr doesnt mean you have to use it. I don't find mixing the FOSS stuff with commercial apps a bad idea. However i would vote for a way to disable it. Technically they should be in their own repo(s), and therefore easy to enable/disable. Just like we handle non-FOSS like flash player right now. This is not for the hardcore Linux users. I probably would buy some games but nothing else, and many others would not buy anything at all. This is for avarage joe that wants his familiar applications easily available. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
RE: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
Ok. Now I found it. :) I don't think the USC need to be replaced. I will read more about it and perhaps write a blueprint with whatever ideas i get. @Faldegast The Ubuntu Software Centre (USC) is the way software gets distributed to Ubuntu users. It can accommodate FLOSS, proprietary, and more. New in 10.10 there is a section in USC for commercial apps (that cost money) too. The one thing that all software in USC has in common though is that it is known to work with Ubuntu and can be installed with a single click. (USC is not a place to collect and distribute random software from unknown sources though.) So, are you advocating something bigger than USC? A replacement for it? A more diverse collection of software? Some new features? If so, the best way to proceed would be to write a Blueprint and engage in a discussion with the USC development team. There is a good background document here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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What i suggest for Ubuntu is the following: 1. A Ubuntu/Linux/Elf software store. It should be designed so that it can ship applications for many OS:es, not just Ubuntu. 2. A Ubuntu Pro commercial offering. Including boxed Ubuntu, a manual, and support. Also some commercial stuff like DVD player. Ubuntu currently has Fluendo Windows Media and MP3 Playback Pack, Fluendo Complete Playback Pack and PowerDVD Linux in its online shop. These should either be provided trough a software store, or included in Ubuntu Pro. I would also see more commercial Linux applications there. For example i know there is a Ubuntu version of Majesty. I know for sure that i would buy that. 3. Both of above need a reseller plan. OEMs that preinstall a software store or Ubuntu Pro have to make money out of it. And Ubuntu pro should not be cheap. A software store and a commercial Linux with a distribution network is what we need. I am certain that this is exactly what we need. For servers we have RHEL but for clients the only thing available is Mandriva, but they effort to build a distribution network is to weak. They focus on an online store, and I believe thats their weakness. Operating Systems is OEM products and they are usually sold with computers, so we must target the OEM builders. While i have talked a lot about technology on this issue, technology is not a #1 bug issue. We have technology, what we need to fix bug #1 is marketing. There is no reason why Linux should have less usage share then OS X. Linux can run on much more hardware that OS X supports, and it have a great community. On another front, i think the idea of recycling old computers with Ubuntu and give them to those that cannot afford a brand new PC is excellent. I have done this a lot with lubuntu on really old computers. I also have a ThinLinc server that can be used to run applications that old computers are to weak to run. Its not fast enough for youtube, however they can play mpeg2. Perhaps an application like minitube can use a proxy server for transcoding to mpeg2 before a clip reach the old box? Martin, True. Again i agree with that and i think we are in agreement again. So the various points people have made are valid except where we talk about noobs installing. Surely a shop that installs to perhaps tens of machines has time to play around with even just 1 and has probably noticed all the quirkiness of installing Windows onto a wide range of very different machines and might realise that lack of knowledge might be the main barrier to a smoother install of Ubuntu (or other distro). Perhaps it is those people that we should target rather than normal users or people that do the odd one or two. Continuing to approach both is probably still best. Regards from Tom :) -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: RE: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
@faldegast. You are suggesting an approach that led to mandriva 's downfall. On Oct 22, 2010 10:26 AM, Faldegast 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: What i suggest for Ubuntu is the following: 1. A Ubuntu/Linux/Elf software store. It should be designed so that it can ship applications for many OS:es, not just Ubuntu. 2. A Ubuntu Pro commercial offering. Including boxed Ubuntu, a manual, and support. Also some commercial stuff like DVD player. Ubuntu currently has Fluendo Windows Media and MP3 Playback Pack, Fluendo Complete Playback Pack and PowerDVD Linux in its online shop. These should either be provided trough a software store, or included in Ubuntu Pro. I would also see more commercial Linux applications there. For example i know there is a Ubuntu version of Majesty. I know for sure that i would buy that. 3. Both of above need a reseller plan. OEMs that preinstall a software store or Ubuntu Pro have to make money out of it. And Ubuntu pro should not be cheap. A software store and a commercial Linux with a distribution network is what we need. I am certain that this is exactly what we need. For servers we have RHEL but for clients the only thing available is Mandriva, but they effort to build a distribution network is to weak. They focus on an online store, and I believe thats their weakness. Operating Systems is OEM products and they are usually sold with computers, so we must target the OEM builders. While i have talked a lot about technology on this issue, technology is not a #1 bug issue. We have technology, what we need to fix bug #1 is marketing. There is no reason why Linux should have less usage share then OS X. Linux can run on much more hardware that OS X supports, and it have a great community. On another front, i think the idea of recycling old computers with Ubuntu and give them to those that cannot afford a brand new PC is excellent. I have done this a lot with lubuntu on really old computers. I also have a ThinLinc server that can be used to run applications that old computers are to weak to run. Its not fast enough for youtube, however they can play mpeg2. Perhaps an application like minitube can use a proxy server for transcoding to mpeg2 before a clip reach the old box? Martin, True. Again i agree with that and i think we are in agreement again. So the various points people have made are valid except where we talk about noobs installing. Surely a shop that installs to perhaps tens of machines has time to play around with even just 1 and has probably noticed all the quirkiness of installing Windows onto a wide range of very different machines and might realise that lack of knowledge might be the main barrier to a smoother install of Ubuntu (or other distro). Perhaps it is those people that we should target rather than normal users or people that do the odd one or two. Continuing to approach both is probably still best. Regards from Tom :) -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
@mzc I agree. @faldegast: 1) Why would we market a kernel? 2) Running Ubuntu on scrap/old is not putting our best foot forward, and creates support issues. 3) For the server side, we have Ubuntu Server. 4) Ubuntu Software Centre is just that: a store for Ubuntu-compatible software. The extension of USC to non-Ubuntu platforms would be nightmarish in complexity. On 10-10-22 10:37 AM, mzc wrote: @faldegast. You are suggesting an approach that led to mandriva 's downfall. On Oct 22, 2010 10:26 AM, Faldegast 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: What i suggest for Ubuntu is the following: 1. A Ubuntu/Linux/Elf software store. It should be designed so that it can ship applications for many OS:es, not just Ubuntu. 2. A Ubuntu Pro commercial offering. Including boxed Ubuntu, a manual, and support. Also some commercial stuff like DVD player. Ubuntu currently has Fluendo Windows Media and MP3 Playback Pack, Fluendo Complete Playback Pack and PowerDVD Linux in its online shop. These should either be provided trough a software store, or included in Ubuntu Pro. I would also see more commercial Linux applications there. For example i know there is a Ubuntu version of Majesty. I know for sure that i would buy that. 3. Both of above need a reseller plan. OEMs that preinstall a software store or Ubuntu Pro have to make money out of it. And Ubuntu pro should not be cheap. A software store and a commercial Linux with a distribution network is what we need. I am certain that this is exactly what we need. For servers we have RHEL but for clients the only thing available is Mandriva, but they effort to build a distribution network is to weak. They focus on an online store, and I believe thats their weakness. Operating Systems is OEM products and they are usually sold with computers, so we must target the OEM builders. While i have talked a lot about technology on this issue, technology is not a #1 bug issue. We have technology, what we need to fix bug #1 is marketing. There is no reason why Linux should have less usage share then OS X. Linux can run on much more hardware that OS X supports, and it have a great community. On another front, i think the idea of recycling old computers with Ubuntu and give them to those that cannot afford a brand new PC is excellent. I have done this a lot with lubuntu on really old computers. I also have a ThinLinc server that can be used to run applications that old computers are to weak to run. Its not fast enough for youtube, however they can play mpeg2. Perhaps an application like minitube can use a proxy server for transcoding to mpeg2 before a clip reach the old box? Martin, True. Again i agree with that and i think we are in agreement again. So the various points people have made are valid except where we talk about noobs installing. Surely a shop that installs to perhaps tens of machines has time to play around with even just 1 and has probably noticed all the quirkiness of installing Windows onto a wide range of very different machines and might realise that lack of knowledge might be the main barrier to a smoother install of Ubuntu (or other distro). Perhaps it is those people that we should target rather than normal users or people that do the odd one or two. Continuing to approach both is probably still best. Regards from Tom :) -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Why don't you go go fuck yourself you fucking asshole. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:23 PM, houstonbofh 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: On 10/20/2010 12:58 PM, Setve Gentilly wrote: Hi, I have 4 computers that I cannot even install Ubuntu on because Ubuntu does not have the necessary drivers. There are another 2 that I can install Ubuntu on but because the video drivers are not very good they do not function at full capacity and my add-in cards don't have drivers for Ubuntu. My systems are high-end machines, not your stock stuff that Ubuntu works on. So you see until Ubuntu makes drivers for all these wonderful add-in cards and proper video drivers Ubuntu will not exist in my house. I don't believe you. I have high end machines too... They all work. (About 25) Some took some effort, but only a few systems with old and cheap stuff. This is being typed on a Gigabyte X58A-UD3R motherboard with a Inetl Corei7 Quad core, and nVidia GTS250 graphics with 24 gig of ram. (Work system, so that is why the low end graphics) Worked out of the box with Lucid. I believe there is a lot more to your story. Like perhaps your high end stuff is the cheapest Chinese components you can source... And they don't have drivers? shock Those can take a bit more effort. Or perhaps the well known Intel i855 graphics chipset bug? (Fixed in Maverik, by the way) Only being willing to put an hour into learning a new system is not a bug we can easily patch. But if you want help, go ahead and e-mail me. I bet I can find drivers for much of your stuff. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Randall Ross (rrnwexec) rand...@executiv.es wrote: Not certified (yet). The complete list of Ubuntu-certified systems is here: http://webapps.ubuntu.com/certification/ On 10-10-20 12:05 PM, Setve Gentilly wrote: Hi, one more time. Another example; I have a AMD system with an Ultra SCSI card from Tekram, No flavor of Ubuntu will install on those 10k Seagate drives because you don't have drivers for that card... Regards, Gentilli. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Randall Ross (rrnwexec) rand...@executiv.es wrote: Quite true. If you've ever watched a new user work with Ubuntu, you'll likely have noticed that they have a much easier time than experienced computer users. No bad habits to unlearn, and they tend to involve themselves less with tinkering on unsupported (and uncertified) hardware. You want Ubuntu to be as easy for a beginner to install with no experience as Windows is for an expert with years of experience. That is the bug... Unreasonable expectations. And the thought that Windows is Computer and if you know Windows you know computers. Not so helpfull with Mac, Linux, HP-UX, Aix, Solaris, AS400, VMS, or a number of accounting specific systems. Now if you give the same test to your grandmother, I bet Linux is easier. And this is the reason I responded. People keep looking at the wrong bug. The bug is that we did not tell you this BEFORE you started. Now it is too late... -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Tom 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: If you choose quite a variety of hardware then Windows wont work. Entire ranges of cpu chips are supported by linux but not by Windows. Entire types of products perform really badly with Windows (such as netbooks) but work really fast with linux. All the space-station systems went down due to a virus, at least all the Windows systems but commandcontrol was fine because it was all on linux. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Artem Karimov sky...@gmail.com wrote: In terminal: sudo apt-add-repository ppa:ubuntu-x-swat sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get upgrade and you have 3D acceleration. On 20 October 2010 22:21, Setve Gentilly 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: Hi again, Let me explain it another way so that you may have a better idea of what I am trying to explain here. When it came time to install the ATI drivers from ATI, I ran the package and it said nothing to me so I rebooted and guess what, it was not installed. So I then proceeded to install the third party drivers that Ubuntu suggested. Well, what a great performing card It gave 50GFLOPS instead of the 1400GFLOPS Windows gives me. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:23 PM, houstonbofh 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: On 10/20/2010 12:58 PM, Setve Gentilly wrote: Hi, I have 4 computers that I cannot even install Ubuntu on because Ubuntu does not have the necessary drivers. There are another 2 that I can install Ubuntu on but because the video drivers are not very good they do not function at full capacity and my add-in cards don't have drivers for Ubuntu. My systems are high-end machines, not your stock stuff that Ubuntu works on. So you see until Ubuntu makes drivers for all these wonderful add-in cards and proper video drivers Ubuntu will not exist in my house. I don't believe you. I have high end machines too... They all work. (About 25) Some took some effort, but only a few systems with old and cheap stuff. This is being typed on a Gigabyte X58A-UD3R motherboard with a Inetl Corei7 Quad core, and nVidia GTS250 graphics with 24 gig of ram. (Work system, so that is why the low end graphics) Worked out of the box with Lucid. I believe there is a lot more to your story. Like perhaps your high end stuff is the cheapest Chinese components you can source... And they don't have drivers? shock Those can take a bit more effort. Or perhaps the well known Intel i855 graphics chipset bug? (Fixed in Maverik, by the way) Only being willing to put an hour into learning a new system is not a bug we can easily patch. But if you want help, go ahead and e-mail me. I bet I can find drivers for much of your stuff. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Tom 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: Mzc, quite! My point exactly. The little bit that takes 1hr30 in Windows only takes 30 in Ubuntu with the difference that Ubuntu then has a stack of Office apps and stuff to use. Windows would be a little empty. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: Unknown Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Ben Shadwick benshadw...@gmail.com wrote: ** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #496536 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=496536 ** Also affects: metacity via https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=496536 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: Unknown Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Artem Karimov sky...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry for the offtop but could you please provide the link for the news about space station virus?? Oo On 20 October 2010 23:31, Tom 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: If you choose quite a variety of hardware then Windows wont work. Entire ranges of cpu chips are supported by linux but not by Windows. Entire types of products perform really badly with Windows (such as netbooks) but work really fast with linux. All the space-station systems went down due to a virus, at least all the Windows systems but commandcontrol was fine because it was all on linux. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Artem Karimov (https://launchpad.net/~a.karimovhttps://launchpad.net/%7Ea.karimov ) -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: Unknown Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Bug Watch Updater 1...@bugs.launchpad.netwrote: ** Changed in: metacity Status: Unknown = In Progress ** Changed in: metacity Importance: Unknown = Low -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:41 PM, »John« 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: Hi guys. I don't mean to be rude; I just want the message to be perfectly clear because we've been through this shit for like million times already and I'm simply getting sick and tired of hearing the same stupid whining over and over again. Bad hardware support is always caused by stupid hardware manufacturers and not the operating system in question, because someone needs to write the damn drivers! If you leave that up to them, they pretty much always end up spitting out some half broken piece of binary crap, not to mention they probably won't even bother if the particular operating system isn't used by what they believe to be enough of their potential customers. I guess you can see why we have a problem with that and every single operating system is gonna be plagued by the exact same problem until it reaches critical mass. In fact, all they need to do in order for their stuff to be fully and reliably supported on free operating systems is to publicly release the programming documentation (because writing properly working drivers without it within reasonable time frame is impossible), but many of them are simply too stupid to understand that. Until that changes, we're simply screwed, because we're stuck with either crap that can (and will) stop working any time or with nothing at all and there's absolutely not a damn thing you can do about that by yet another pointless GNU/Linux (BSD, Solaris, whatever) rant! So, unless you have some constructive criticism or other valuable ideas, please go post your whining somewhere else! -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:05 PM, houstonbofh 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: On 10/20/2010 04:41 PM, »John« wrote: ... not to mention they probably won't even bother if the particular operating system isn't used by what they believe to be enough of their potential customers. I guess you can see why we have a problem with that and every single operating system is gonna be plagued by the exact same problem until it reaches critical mass. This happens with Windows as well. Why write a new driver just because the new version of Windows doesn't work with it? With bad drivers, you will get bit, whatever OS you run. I have a lovely PaperPort scanner that I keep around as just such an object lesson. It only has Windows 95 drivers unless you BUY a new one for more than the cost of a scanner. This is not a Linux bug, but for some reason, Linux gets the blame, and Windows and the hardware manufactures get a pass. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:21 PM, »John« 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: With bad drivers, you will get bit, whatever OS you run. This is not a Linux bug, but for some reason, Linux gets the blame, and Windows and the hardware manufactures get a pass. My point exactly. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:48 PM, »John« 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: This is not a Linux bug, but for some reason, Linux gets the blame, and Windows and the hardware manufactures get a pass. One more thing: I'm incredibly sorry to say so, but I forgot to mention that that reason is probably more and more people being stupid and getting more and more stupid as the time passes - that's a sad fact that probably just about every teacher out there can confirm (I recently joined the club and pretty much the whole class - almost all of them senior teacher professionals - seems to be thinking the same); no offence to anyone here intended. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
You know Windows works on more systems than Ubuntu, did you know that.. I am a senior technician for windows systems with many certifications, and they warned me about your type Maybe Windows is the best system... I will wait another 2 or 3 years to see if Ubuntu is worthy of my attention. Gentilli. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Randall Ross (rrnwexec) rand...@executiv.es wrote: The concept of a computer being a bicycle for the mind might be helpful here, and might be worth revisiting. If we (society) are training our students purely to be users (consumers) of software then we will see the exact effect that you describe (in the domain of OS'es and computing, at least). (Bug #1 has in effect created a whole generation of consumers who view computers as a way to get to entertainment). We should instead be aiming to teach people to be creators and contributors, so their information access tools remain robust and enable any one to get to any and all information they need to educate themselves. Ubuntu is taking that challenge head-on. However, we're still not able to channel all the energy that is lost to distractions such as Facebook, YouTube, Farmville, WoW, and similar things that also tend to dumb down (or at least divert). That will require a lot more code... On 10-10-20 02:48 PM, »John« wrote: One more thing: I'm incredibly sorry to say so, but I forgot to mention that that reason is probably more and more people being stupid and getting more and more stupid as the time passes - that's a sad fact that probably just about every teacher out there can confirm (I recently joined the club and pretty much the whole class - almost all of them senior teacher professionals - seems to be thinking the same); no offence to anyone here intended. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Wow. That's what I call a well thought-out, logically-argued, polite and in-depth comment right there. Stay classy. On 23 October 2010 00:19, Setve Gentilly 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: Why don't you go go fuck yourself you fucking asshole. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:23 PM, houstonbofh 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: On 10/20/2010 12:58 PM, Setve Gentilly wrote: Hi, I have 4 computers that I cannot even install Ubuntu on because Ubuntu does not have the necessary drivers. There are another 2 that I can install Ubuntu on but because the video drivers are not very good they do not function at full capacity and my add-in cards don't have drivers for Ubuntu. My systems are high-end machines, not your stock stuff that Ubuntu works on. So you see until Ubuntu makes drivers for all these wonderful add-in cards and proper video drivers Ubuntu will not exist in my house. I don't believe you. I have high end machines too... They all work. (About 25) Some took some effort, but only a few systems with old and cheap stuff. This is being typed on a Gigabyte X58A-UD3R motherboard with a Inetl Corei7 Quad core, and nVidia GTS250 graphics with 24 gig of ram. (Work system, so that is why the low end graphics) Worked out of the box with Lucid. I believe there is a lot more to your story. Like perhaps your high end stuff is the cheapest Chinese components you can source... And they don't have drivers? shock Those can take a bit more effort. Or perhaps the well known Intel i855 graphics chipset bug? (Fixed in Maverik, by the way) Only being willing to put an hour into learning a new system is not a bug we can easily patch. But if you want help, go ahead and e-mail me. I bet I can find drivers for much of your stuff. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. What happens: 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. What should happen: 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in GNOME Screensaver: Won't Fix Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: New Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: Invalid Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: Invalid Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
On Sat, 2010-10-23 at 05:19 +, Setve Gentilly wrote: Why don't you go go fuck yourself you fucking asshole. Setve, you're cooked. Get off the recreational dairy and refined sugar. Drink some kombucha and chill. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 05:19 +, Setve Gentilly wrote: I would love nothing better than to replace some of these people's unlicensed OS with Ubuntu. But unfortunately I don't have the know how or experience to do that because I don't find Ubuntu user friendly (from a Windows perspective). I had my mother and others on Ubuntu because, besides ethical concerns with non-free software, I didn't find Windows or OS X to be user friendly. So you see, we echo one another. There is an old saying, There is no technical solution to an attitude problem. You must be more specific in what you did not find user friendly. -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred http://www.thevertigo.com -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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Hi :) There is not really any must do in linux. Linux seems to be about offering choices, about offering freedom OF choice. As we know Windows provides freedom FROM choice and so it is the preference for most people. I found the best way to learn how to install and use linux was to learn how to install it as a dual-boot and switch the default so that it boots into Windows automatically unless i was fast enough to choose linux at boot-up. This meant i could deal with problems at my own pace without being unable to use the machine in the normal ways i was used to. Now when i help people with ther machine's i put a dual-boot of a linux, usually Ubuntu but not always (there are smaller and lighter distros for Win98 machines) and then sort the usual stuff such as Medibuntu and install Gimp fo photo editing. I find medibuntu tends to sort all multimedia issues without me having to find drivers for things https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu Finally i set-up firefox with bookmarks into Community and official documentation, the 2 main Answers Forums (launchpad (that is this one) and ubuntuforums.com) and also to the general linux answers forum at http://www.linuxquestions.org and usually to the rather excellent distrowatch because i know that soem discussion about other distros will crop up in conversations later http://distrowatch.com Then after i hand the machine back they hardly ever notice that linux is on their machine until we have a few chats over the next few weeks. When people have found that Windows still works normally and better/faster for the fixes i have done then it is a bit late for them to freak out about the FUD they have probably heard about it. Regards from Tom :) -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 20:37, Randall Ross (rrnwexec) rand...@executiv.es wrote: Did you bother to check which systems are certified first? http://webapps.ubuntu.com/certification/ Think of your experiences in the Windows world. You likely have used hardware that is stickered Windows Ready, Works with Windows etc. The Ubuntu world is no different, and Ubuntu does NOT work on everything. Please reset expectations accordingly. Although Ubuntu runs on a lot of hardware that is not listed there and no certification has been done, people should simply prefer the hardware that is certified or at least known to work. Simply becauce: Manufacturer's first aim is to work with Windows because that is the majority of people and this simply is what gets preinstalled in the vast majority of cases when shipping the thingy. Some manufacturers have looked beond the the rim of the plate and see that the world around M$ is wide and large and take this into consideration, like Dell or Lenovo for example. If people buying stuff do not explicitely prefer the more compatible hardware manufacturers also will not change their habits. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 20:59, Tom 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: So 30mins to install Ubuntu against 1hr30 to install Windows. Did the Windows system then need upgrades or additional software? After the first round of updates and reboot were all the drivers, codecs and new programs all up-to-date and fully patched? Yesterday I tried to install an MS Office plugin from M$. Result: Half an hour of applying necessary updates including upgrading to IE8 (and I have no plain idea why IE8 needed in that case)... - and the machine had applied all updates before... Installing a system you know well (Windows), with the standard preparation you do before an install to that particular set of hardware does not really compare against installing a system you have no experience with and have not prepared for in advance. Yeah, people used Windows many, many years and then they expect to do the transition in a day. Although I think that Ubuntu can be learned quite quickly (just to think of the plenty of forums and documentation available - or the very helpful community), my experience is that a standard low experienced home user needs approx 2 weeks to get familiar enough to be productive - but this is an awesome short time! On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 21:14, houstonbofh 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: I have expertise in both Windows and Linux. Windows takes longer. Mainly it is the massive amount of reboots between updates and drivers. Also, the install is far to interactive, not set it and forget it. If you look at the installation of Windows 2008 R2 Server for example, installation of Windows is really not very interactive - it neither asks for a host name! - It generates an automatic one that you can change later. So even less interaction than for an Ubuntu installation. That said, afterwards plenty of clicks needed to get only in the near of being productive - not to tell that Windows OS after installation is naked as a jaybird! Even the text editor that comes with it is ... - well the only word I have for it is impertinence. As an aside, the only programming language I know is Perl, and I haven't really used in in years. When I started with Linux all programming languages I knew were Windows-only. So really, there is no need to know a programming language for using Linux. That I felt strange using an OS I can't program is natural after having always been capable of programming the PCs I was working on before. - Well, I have fixed that bug in the meantime. ;-) On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 21:14, houstonbofh 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: You want Ubuntu to be as easy for a beginner to install with no experience as Windows is for an expert with years of experience. That is the bug... Unreasonable expectations. And the thought that Windows is Computer and if you know Windows you know computers. Not so helpfull with Mac, Linux, HP-UX, Aix, Solaris, AS400, VMS, or a number of accounting specific systems. Now if you give the same test to your grandmother, I bet Linux is easier. Full ACK! But: I agree that anyway it must get better, because there are plenty of people who care a sh* about the OS - their focus is completely different and they don't want to bother. But, that said, those people must be illuminated that: Even if they want to just pull coffee from the coffee machine or if they just want to drive a car, some knowledge of the thing you are using is needed to use it (efficiently). In general for every thing (be it technical or non-technical) there are some basics (knowledge, experience, training) needed to use something - and more knowledge, experience and training is needed to use something really efficient - or - to help yourself in case of a problem. - This applies for computers as well as for cars, giving presentations or even just your daily habits.
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
I find that after a decent install most people don't even notice that they are using a different OS. Firefox is there and the menus easy to navigate. Documents open with a double-click. As G stated it is the install process that is the most difficult part. We try to make that easy and many people have lists of what to do after a basic install in blogs and websites or in magazines. Forums are quite accessible and documentation aimed at noobs is quite prolific but still all the difficult part of the migration process is right at the start of using linux. This is the specific point of this bug#1 because a 'pre-installed' linux is very easy to use. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:04, Tom 1...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: I find that after a decent install most people don't even notice that they are using a different OS. Firefox is there and the menus easy to navigate. Documents open with a double-click. I don't fully agree - e.g. Movie player is not playing a lot of videos. Need to use VLC for those - so VLC must be installed and for different files open with must be changed to use VLC instead of movie player by default. I tend to instruct people to first double-click and when it does not work use right mouse button and open with VLC. This is easier than trying to find a sample for each possible format and change default open. Similar applies for sound formats. And there are IMHO some other first-to-dos, be it tools to install (like gsmartcontrol, Thunderbird, ...) and some options to change. - But I don't want to complain about this because I have plenty more first-to-dos under Win* and on Ubuntu I start the Synaptic, go once through the list, ticking everything I want and then save the list to an external file and never need to do it again manually. As G stated it is the install process that is the most difficult part. No, really, the installation is straight-forward. As with 10.10 it either already starts preparing the harddrive while I do the last inputs, is awesome - as well as WLAN already available and downloading the updates already on the go. And with net access it already knows the country I am in (regarding time settings). So there is nothing more I wish to have. We try to make that easy and many people have lists of what to do after a basic install in blogs and websites or in magazines. One idea: You could grab the most used sets of pre-installations and pre-sets and offer that as additional option at installation, e.g. similar as Fedora does, asking the user for typical use Home user, Developer, Designer/Photographer, ... - that probably would make it easier for a lot of people and for Canonical it would be just running a few additional apt-get install lines and maybe some default configuration files. I personally already have some files containing those, so for me no problem as it. -- Martin Wildam http://www.google.com/profiles/mwildam -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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This bug report is not about how difficult or easy OSes are to install. It is about how difficult it is to buy a machine with a decent OS pre-installed. @ Martin I think we are agreeing but have semantic differences. Imo an install is not complete until the system is tweaked and made usable for the use the user requires. A basic install of Windows is not ready to use imo. A basic install of Ubuntu is also not fully ready (imo) but has stuff ready to use that Windows doesn't and usually takes less to get it ready. To get Windows to the same level as Ubuntu you have to install many programs such as Office (i would use OpenOffice in Windows, not MicroSquish Office, and Firefox not IE for safety and security). 'Obviously' for OpenOffice/LibreOffice i would do Tools - Options - Load/Save to set all the defaults to the unsafe .doc and .xls ones that people prefer in the Windows-world. Then both Windows Ubuntu need multimedia players (Vlc for both, also MPlayer for Ubuntu and hopefully Zoom Player for Windows), Gimp (for both) and whichever other packages the user would appear to need from whatever they have been talking about, mostly Ubuntu already covers those but Windows doesn't. Ubuntu makes a lot of that easy by following the Community Documentation Medibuntu page but there are countless blogs, magazines and stuff either in the fake-world or online that cover the multimedia issues. Both Windows and Ubuntu need drivers for any oddly awkward hardware. For Ubuntu these are mostly online but it may take some hunting to find them. For Windows you might need to find that crusty old Cd that came with the device. Inevitably some stuff wont work with Windows because it is too old and you should buy a new device and stop being such a cheapskate. With Ubuntu some newer stuff wont work but might do fairly soon especially if you post a bug-report about it. Ati NVidia have communities doing a lot of work right now and updates happen quite frequently. Even the companies themselves are making efforts to provide more support (for fear of losing customers now linux usage is reaching above 4%). Other companies will follow their lead. Both Windows and Ubuntu will need to be updated and this is one area that Ubuntu really scores highly because it does everything, all the codecs, libraries, drivers, programs, packages, everything all in one go you can walk away and leave it to get on with it with no further interaction. Windows will usually require several reboots and requires the update process to be repeated many times before it is 'completely' updated. Also Windows tends to make a fuss about stuff requiring user-input. Also Windows doesn't update any of the drivers or programs, not even free ones such as Adobe flash-player or pdf reader. So an ubuntu system is fully patched and ready whereas a Windows one seldom reaches that stage. Both systems often need tweaking to set which applications are preferred for certain tasks (right-click on a file-type and set what it opens with) although with Windows you seldom get a choice and just have to be careful about which programs you install last as each one grabs control. With Ubuntu you can finesse it at almost any point. However, none of this is what this bug-report is about. All of this depends on the skill (in the particular OS they are attempting to install) of the person doing the install and how easy they find it to access useful help if they run into problems. Again, that is not what this bug-report is about. Regards from Tom :) -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
