[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
** Changed in: unity-lens-shopping (Ubuntu) Status: Triaged => Fix Released ** Changed in: unity-lens-shopping Status: New => Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
Online search results have been disabled by default in Unity 7, starting from 16.04 LTS. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
SO , we are heading for 16.04 and the next summit is next week. Can we maybe discuss this in the summit so this amazon integration does not make user hate Ubuntu anymore ? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
Removing unity-scope-home causes lots of problems. Instead run the following command in the Terminal to disable the spyware: gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Lenses disabled-scopes ['more_suggestions- amazon.scope', 'more_suggestions-u1ms.scope', 'more_suggestions-populartracks.scope', 'music-musicstore.scope', 'more_suggestions-ebay.scope', 'more_suggestions-ubuntushop.scope', 'more_suggestions-skimlinks.scope'] -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
So let me get this straight... 100% of the time when I type into the dash, my system is searching for online resources relevant to what I typed. That said, 99% of the time I type into the dash, I am doing so to retrieve a local file or application. So roughly translated, 99% of the time Unity is bringing me irrelevant search results that ultimately slow down my computer in an obviously noticeable fashion when typing in search terms. Who on earth thought this was a good decision? I can see the value in an online resource like this, but being opt-out is ridiculous. It being in the home lens is even more ridiculous. Why would you split up lenses for music, videos, files, applications, but NOT online resources? I just can't fathom this. Given the fact I often have to order parts for different things at work through Amazon, I would love to support Canonical by going through the lens facet, but not at the expense of my privacy. I repeat, not at the expense of my privacy. Canonical, you have done so much good for the Linux community. You deserve to be commended 100x over again for your work. You've taken some insane chances along the way. Unity has evolved into a beautiful, clean, and professional desktop environment. It was met with criticism but it has blossomed into something that's really quite nice. Mir has yet to be seen so I can't really comment there quite yet. Then you have this shopping lens being an opt-out feature. I honestly don't understand how someone sat at the meeting table and thought this is a good idea. This is distribution suicide. You're losing a magnitude of users over this stupid nonsense little thing. Is this really worth all of the negative publicity Ubuntu/Canonical is *still* receiving (and forever will) over this? I mean, really? Is it? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
I am not using Ubuntu anymore because of this. It started with UbuntuOne and reporting my IP and now it went to Ubuntu not serving to the user and customer, but to the interests of external companies, and that is not is a spirit of the word Ubuntu. So I stopped recommending Ubuntu to anyone, after Unity and Canonical decisions to put searches out by default, without users wanting it. I think Xubuntu does not have any of this personal info leaking features. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
Ubuntu has won an anti-privacy award for their dubious practices: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/10/ubuntu-wins-big-brother-austria-privacy-award Are you really not going to rethink your position? Sad to see how a project like Ubuntu gives a bad reputation to FOSS software. It's a slap in the face for everyone who has promoted Ubuntu to large audiences for years. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
I don't think this is quite an invasion of privacy, but this is still just clunky feeling. Why not have a dedicated lens for shopping? I would love to have a lens with a generic bag which shows me products from Amazon, eBay, Newegg, Tiger Direct, Walmart, etc. That would be useful. Furthermore, it would fit the whole feel to Unity (Smart scopes, search anywhere, etc.) while still allowing for profit to Canonical without causing any major issues amongst users. My question: Why not? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
I am immediately stopping my recommendations for using Ubuntu, and actively recommending against it based on this invasive and backhanded leaking of private information without an appropriate opt-in and explanation. Ubuntu, you failed, and now you pay the consequences. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
I've alwys suspected the sort of thing the Snowden documents on PRISM, etc prove. That's why I removed Unity when this issue came up. It was replaced in my backup DE list with a Cairo-dock/Compiz session. For my main DE I use Cinnamon, but Unity with all scopes removed MIGHT be safe. Trouble is, for the sort of folks I distribute computers to I cannot take a chance and cannot distribute an OS known to put local activity of ANY type on a network. I consider all online scopes to be a threat, as combining local with online searches could enable the NSA over time to figure out the content of your filesystem. Also, if ever the NSA finds and exploits a vulnerability in a scope, that would be an obvious target for exploitation, as the dock already talks to the network, and already lists files. Therefore, it is in the same category as installing a webserver in a machine that will never be used as a webserver: unused exploitable software that talks to the network. This does not require any malicious intent by Canonical, only malicious intent by the NSA or any other attacker. Therefore, I now do not distribute Ubuntu's main distro. 12.04 and earlier are safe but getting old fast-and if someone updates 12.04 to a new version and does so with Ubuntu-Desktop installed I don't know if they get the scopes. As of now, if not distributing my own private fork, I give out either Mint or UbuntuStudio, the former with Cinnamon or MATE, the latter with XFCE. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
I agree completely with vexorian with this issue. In light of PRISM, I now have even greater aversion to recommending Ubuntu to a new Linux user. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
Given recent revelations , I think the discussion regarding the ethics leaving some scopes in the default and even their inclusion in the repositories repositories should be revisited. If you want me to be more explicit: - We know that youtube is part of PRISM. - We don't know if Amazon joined PRISM or not. The only big US company we know refused to cooperate by making NSA access easier is twitter. Amazon is still a US-located company and thus is bound to the law and court orders that allow this , and so is twitter. I think this should be a concern to non-US citizens using Ubuntu. In the case of Amazon, searches are made from Canonical's servers. But that may not be enough of a protection. NSA could target specific communications between Canonical and US servers. If they knew a special individual is a ubuntu user they could listen to the home searches of all users in order to attempt to datamine them. I think that the scope of PRISM and the extremes that we now know NSA is capable of should make Canonical reconsider these decisions as they now have risks much higher than Amazon learning what sort of porn you like. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
Could some one create an package that would replace the default home lens with an home lens that does local search only by default ? Would that be an idea ? Would rather have seen the other options afcause.. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
I filed a bug that presents an alternative to the current shopping lens: Allow users to add Amazon accounts to Online Accounts, then present results based on the presence of the account. I believe this is an over-all better framework because it's opt-in and can scale to other online retailers (ebay, steam, newegg thinkgeek, etc.). Here's the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1072765 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
Recent posters please read comment #167. The plan is there to sort it, it just has not yet been implemented yet. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
Colin: Comment #167 says nothing about it defaulting to off. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
I'm quite surprised this issue has not been taken care of by now. When it first surfaced I almost ignored it because I thought for sure enough noise will be made to reverse this decision. I fully understand the business side of it, but it really is far from logical when you look at it from the end user point of view. To date, approximately 0 people I know personally have considered the Amazon integration to be a good thing. Oddly enough, most find it weird, intrusive, or scary to have on the system by default. I've installed Ubuntu on countless machines for people, and everyone has contacted me wondering how the computer is magically showing them relevant shopping searches. To most people, it's scary. It's not helpful, it's downright scary. If this would be an option that the user would need to enable, it'd be a totally different story because then the user knows it's there and the user knows what to expect as a result. In a world where malware is a common practice it stands to good reason that even your most computer illiterate grandma out there would be nervous about how a computer knows so much about what you just typed in. Once you take a step back and look at this situation without any degree of bias or with some sort of business related underlying agenda, you'll see that, guaranteed. By default, I disable the privacy and shopping integration as a first step when I install Ubuntu. I find that I'm downright angry each time I do it, because I know, deep down, it's not right. It's. Just. Not. Right. Having this enabled by default is just foolish and I am beyond disgusted with the fact that it's here by default. But wait... there's a catch... I've been an Ubuntu user since 2006, and I have tried countless other distributions but each time I come back to Ubuntu. I love what Canonical is doing and I love how Ubuntu is shaping up to be such a fantastic and easy to use (yet crazy powerful) distribution. In the event that this option was disabled by default, I would actually go out of my way to enable it. Yeah - not joking here. I work in IT, so I'm continually having to purchase various parts for systems. Amazon is, ironically, my first (and usually my only) stop to finding what I need. In the event that this was disabled by default I would put forth the effort to support Canonical and Ubuntu by ensuring that each purchase I made I would do so via the Unity dash. But considering that it's enabled by default, I find myself so incredibly disgusted that I find it's difficult to even use Ubuntu any more. I can't help but to wonder what's next on the agenda if things like this are going to be baked into the operating system from the get-go. Fortunately, there are other distributions that don't have features like this enabled, which are becoming all too attractive with each passing day... I know I'm just one person, so clearly I understand that what I just said will hardly be persuasive. Instead, I'll let the masses do the talking. As a frequent user of the UbuntuForums, AskUbuntu, and the Ubuntu IRC channels, I have yet to find a single end user who has said This was a good idea. That's not an exaggeration - that's a straight up fact based entirely on my personal experience with these contact channels. I have yet to see anybody blatantly support this. Instead it's done nothing more than raise a substantial level of concern and distrust. That should be eye opening for you folks, but so far, it's been simply ignored. Upon 13.04's release today, countless web sites have popped up with articles entitled First 10 things to after you install Ubuntu 13.04. There again, on every single one I've found, disable the shopping lens is listed. But I'm sure that too will fall on deaf or uncaring ears. As a one liner summary, we are sick of just being okay with disabling the shopping lens. This should be disabled by default. Period. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
To record a few of those 'things to do after installing Ubuntu' articles. Disabling the Amazon results is: Number 8 in http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/04/10-things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-13-04 Number 2 in http://www.webupd8.org/2013/04/7-things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu.html Number 6 in http://www.noobslab.com/2013/04/tweaksthings-to-do-after-install-of.html Number 1 in http://www.refreshit.info/2013/03/10-things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu.html The first 2 of those also specifically mention how to remove the shopping lens, if you want to keep using other online lenses. That suggests to me that, at least for some users, it's the Amazon results specifically that are an annoyance, not It's a slight exaggeration that it features in every list; while the majority seem to have it, there are some that don't, like this: http://www.unixmen.com/042013-top-things-to-do-after-installing- ubuntu-13-04-raring-ringtail/ I think it's pretty clear by now that this default isn't what users want, and Ubuntu continues to get bad press from it. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
Mark Shuttleworth (sabdfl) wrote on 2013-02-17: #6 Here's how we are going to handle this: * We will make a very bold, clear way for you to turn on and off network queries across ALL scopes for any given session in the dash. Think about this like the 'anonymous' mode in your browser. Toggle it, right there in the Dash, and you are totally certain you are not sending network traffic. We will aim to enforce this at the kernel level, hence the CC to Jamie S who leads our security team. * We will have the ability to configure the Home screen, including choice of scopes, and the behaviour of individual scopes. * Legal notices will all be in one place, in the 'About Ubuntu' part of the UX, and visible in the install experience too. Mark -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
some news on the issue on omg ubuntu , http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/02/ubuntu-dash-to-add-private-incognito- mode-add-legal-notice-to-installer , makes it more difficult, i think , why the rather simple step of removing shopping searches from the home lens is not choosen still unclear. But more control seems to be on the way. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
this is not an duplicate of : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1065720 it might look so in first review, but its not, could some one please remove that link ? Don't include remote searches in the home lens , is still the topic, shopping lens should not by default be in the home icon, home suggests a private local place. Move the shopping lens away from the home and the issue is gone. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
No, canonical needs more money. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
any movement in the right direction ? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
** Also affects: unity-lens-shopping Importance: Undecided Status: New -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
so its a dead end right now, because one person has moved it to wishlist , the bug should be submitted in an other form. somethins like , `nautilus shows the home icon as local , dash should do the same .. , show local search results only from design point of view`? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
Problem for the moment with the opt-out is that it's global : if we turn off in the Privacy options, it turns off the Dash home ALL internet searches, not only shopping ones... Perhaps I want to see by default in home the Gwibber lens results but not Amazon ones, and if I have something to buy, I activate it or go to shopping lens. So at least we need in Raring a very more complete configurable option in the Privacy, to be able to select lens by lens : - which one(s) we want to keep installed on the system, on or off - from which one(s) we want to see results in Dash home, too Both can be activated and On by default, as it is Unity purpose and wish, but we should get the possibility to configure them precisely. Today it's not satisfying : I do not want to apt-get remove shopping- lens as I buy sometimes in Amazon (and perhaps with the future commercial partners) and would be happy to support Ubuntu by this way. I do not want shopping results shown in Home, but I want Gwibber ones, so I can not turn off online search option... So perhaps we need to open a new bug, but this option would be the minimum that Canonical should provide users. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
It's clear that we need a separate local home lens (that searches all local sources) and one global one that searches both local and remote sources. This is because it might be that you want to do both at different times and don't want to turn off and on the privacy option each time. Maybe make it configurable as in Android which sources to search in the global search. And maybe even let people make their own set of meta- scopes that searches in a set of sources. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
To reiterate my perspective as the person who filed this bug: there's a mass of critical commentary elsewhere on the web, and I wanted to ensure that this translated into a polite, factual discussion in a location where Ubuntu developers can't skip over it. The reasons I think this default is a bad thing are that it breaches an expectation of privacy, it's tasteless (commercial content when I'm not asking for it), and it's continuing to bring Ubuntu massive negative PR. Sadly, despite the criticism - from hundreds of users, from the EFF, from Richard Stallman - it seems like the decision is made and won't be changed. The whole episode leaves a sour taste in my mouth. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
** Changed in: unity-lens-shopping (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed = Triaged ** Changed in: unity-lens-shopping (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Critical -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
Chauncellor, please don't mark bugs as Critical unless they meet the criteria at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance I'm setting this to Wishlist since it would be somewhat a new feature for the shopping lens to not put results in the home lens. This probably is actually a WONTFIX item since the Unity design is for the home lens to search across all the lenses, and it's possible for users to opt out of the shopping results if they don't want them. ** Changed in: unity-lens-shopping (Ubuntu) Importance: Critical = Wishlist -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
Jeremy: the fact that the Shopping Lens is opt-out instead of opt-in is precisely why this bug exists. Is there some reason why shopping results (or, better yet, web searches in general) couldn't be relegated to their own separate lens icon in the Dash? Are users honestly using the Dash's Home Lens to search for Amazon products? I find it more likely/plausible that users would be using the Home Lens' search box for finding local things. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
This can't be wishlist: This was working correctly in 12.04 so it's clearly a REGRESSION. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
Northrup, I'm not responsible for the Unity design nor am I really taking sides. It's important to understand the Unity design if you want to influence those that do make the decisions. The design as I understand is that you should be able to open the Dash by either clicking the first button in the top left or pressing the Super key and find whatever you'd want to find. It should tell you the weather, it should give you movie results (whether downloaded to your computer, available for purchase, or even showing in movie theatres), apps (whether installed or not installed), etc. Fundamentally, that requires it to be a global search or universal search which requires sending data across the Internet. Because that design would generally be useful to average people and it is still somewhat unique (although Google Now or Siri are similar in some ways), it *will* be turned on by default. Since there is a fairly easy way to opt out in System SettingsPrivacy, it doesn't seem like there is any actual action for Canonical or community developers to take on this bug. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
Jeremy: I remind you that the original report and many comments here aren't pushing exclusively for total removal of online results from the Home lens, rather they're also suggesting a compromise position between that and the current status quo: make this feature opt-in. I haven't seen a statement anywhere from Canonical regarding the opt-in proposal. Please don't mark this bug WONTFIX without discussing that alternative. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
That is quite true. Most people also want flash, but it's an optional check-box during installation process. Why not add another one. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
John, sorry the bug title is about showing remote results in the Dash home, not about whether it should be opt-out or opt-in or whether there should be an installer question asking what users want. Kirils, the shopping lens didn't exist until 12.10 so technically it's impossible for this to be a regression since the shopping lens has always worked this way. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
Jeremy: The difference between the Dash and, say, Google Now is that one typically does not use Google Now to launch applications or find local files (I don't know if that's even possible). Siri typically doesn't do as much of those things either; it can launch apps, but since iOS doesn't (without jailbreaking) reveal the contents of its filesystem, searching for local files is out of the question there. Not to mention that both Android and iOS have an app list to go to as the primary launch method *instead* of Now/Siri/etc., whereas the Dash (or rather, a lens of it) *is* the app drawer so to speak. Thus, the use cases for both Google Now and Siri are quite different from that of the Dash; instead, the Dash's use seems to be more in line with a Start Menu, being it the primary method of launching applications that aren't already in the sidebar. Because it's used as a Start Menu rather than a Siri, users expect to see results on *their* machine, not on the web. I understand the idea that Unity is going for. What I'm saying is that it can be done in a way that doesn't intrude on user privacy and introduce a gaping hole in Ubuntu's security. That's why the Shopping Lens (it isn't even its own lens, so calling it the Shopping Lens is misleading...) has been drawing so much criticism, and why that needs to be fixed if Canonical cares about user privacy and safety. And yes, you can opt-out. But why should we have to opt out? If users want Amazon integration, why can't they opt in? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
Jeremy: You well know that oftentimes a bug title doesn't sum up the entirety of the report itself. And in this case, the report proposes an alternative solution to the one stated in the title: To anticipate one likely response: I understand that this feature can be removed by uninstalling the package. I believe it should be opt-in, not opt-out, and I also think the feature is useful, so I don't want to remove it completely from my system. It is disingenuous to ignore that point for not being mentioned in the bug title. But if you insist on that line of reasoning, the bug title can always be edited to reflect the opt-in compromise. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
Guys, I would continue to set this so hard onto critical importance over and over again until I'm banned from ever using LP again if it achieved anything. I'm sorry that there's nothing we can do to stop this madness. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
John, separate issues need separate bugs. With 157 comments, this bug report is already well past long enough to be useful. A bug requesting the shopping feature be opt-in should be only about that issue and not about whether remote searches show in the home lens. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
its not a wishlist, its critical. the report is here for a lot of reasons. When you look at nautilus, you again see the home folder, it shows what it should show, a local, personal folder, in the dash from all points of view it should do the same thing, show local results only. Its that simple. Its very critical to ubuntu, that it does not loose its Credibility to the world. There would be no report if people dont care , we do care. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
Ubuntu is a big gal now. 2 am, Johannesburg's streets are steaming hot. With her new gloss on, still frail on high heels, shopping bag in hands, Ubuntu walks slowly in circles around the side walk. Not before long, one of these old 70's mercedes stops by with a long squeaking sound. The driver asks with a tone of confusion: hey babe, kinda lost here, you think you could help me out? Ubuntu: A man, sure! wanna have a good time? http://blog.canonical.com/2012/12/07/searching-in-the-dash-in- ubuntu-13-04/ The driver: Gal, gal! if you plan to do anything with that mouth, better take Mint before! -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
I agree with last comment, both are possible : please shopping lens installed and active by default, with Amazon and future new partners, but opt-in (disabled by default) for the results in the Dash home, with possibility to choice exactly our parameters : which lenses results do we want added in the Dash home when doing a local search ? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
Richard Stallman has commented on this: http://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms /ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
I to agree that this is a blatent disregard to user privacy and basically goes against what Richard Stallman and others wanted for the Free Open Source Software Movement ages ago. GNU at it's heart. I feel it should be an opt in versus and opt out by default. Please fix this issue, until then I have moved over to Linux Mint which doesn't invade my privacy by default. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
Using an opt-out strategy on a feature like this is insidious and an insult to Ubuntu users intelligence. It's the kind of bullsh*t I'd expect from Microsoft, not Canonical. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
I posted up an idea on Ubuntu Brainstorm about this, which I figure would be a better vector for such things: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/30415/ Unfortunately, the moderation staff doesn't agree, and marked it as already implemented. ** Attachment added: Screenshot of Dash Home Lens search results on freshly-downloaded Ubuntu 12.10 Live CD https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+attachment/3456570/+files/ubuntu-spyware.png -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
Crap, I posted prematurely. Anyway, based on the screenshot attached to my previous post, the Brainstorm idea is clearly *not* implemented. So I suppose this remains the most viable location, since it appears that criticism of Canonical's precious Unity is unwelcome there. Regardless, until this is resolved, I will *not* be recommending Ubuntu to anyone. Perhaps a derivative like Lubuntu or Mint, but not anything with Unity. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
So apparently there is this popular fork of Ubuntu, called Mint at linuxmint.com which is quite popular and has a growing developer base. Oh, and they also do not spy on people. I switched over and will be contributing through their project now. Still I think it is appropriate to thank Ubuntu and Canonical for the great distrib they had created and the huge piles of money and work they together with the community put it to make it work and move opensource forward! -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
I must also echo the trend of comments here; please make this opt-in... and even better, provide the choice and details in a dialog upon installation. This would be nice and transparent, giving the user the choice from the start and therefore probably also more likely to trust Canonical than maybe realising later on that this feature exists and not understanding what it fully does. Or at least put this in a separate lens, rather than global dash. The current trend is very concerning to me and many others. Look at Linux Mint and the support and donations, sponsorships etc they have and how they make revenue without resorting to this kind of thing. Different kettle of fish I know with the size of Canonical as a company, but you get my point. Mint does not try to track your local searches, which I think is the worst part of this. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
I prefer opt-in. Private searches may be compromised. I opt for removal of this item and have it placed on some sort of a visibile specific shopping dash. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
** Branch linked: lp:~jesse-imaginaryrobots/unity-lens-shopping/unity- lens-shopping-noglobal -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
I strongly believe that this should be opt-in. There should not even be such package installed before consulting the user. If it's impossible to fix this, we should probably fork the whole project and think of a good name. But it would require a sizeable maintainer team. So there's a problem. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
Agreed, this should be opt-in. Remove this lens from the default install - it does not belong there. Not even a PROMPT belongs there - Ubuntu is free software, not adware, not spyware. If we wanted our base OS to advertise to us, we'd use Windows 8. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
This is extremely serious. I haven't been able to recommend Ubuntu 12.10 to new users because of the privacy implications of this feature. My ideal solution: 1. Prompt the user when installing whether or not they would like to install amazon's search feature. 2. Prompt whether or not they would like the feature to be installed as a dedicated shopping lens. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
'What EFF Wants From Ubuntu ... Disable Include online search results by default. ' - https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/10/privacy-ubuntu-1210-amazon-ads-and-data-leaks -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
It seems Ubuntu forgot the meaning of Ubuntu (from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(philosophy) - Ubuntu ... is an African ethic or humanist philosophy focusing on people's allegiances and relations with each other. - I am what I am because of who we all are. - Ubuntu does not mean that people should not enrich themselves. The question therefore is: Are you going to do so in order to enable the community around you to be able to improve? Now, dear administration of Ubuntu: how many allegiances do you break with your user base by this move? How does your decision reflect that of what we all are? Do you enable the community around you to improve by taking their privacy? This past month, I have lost faith in Ubuntu's ability to reflect its users need. Unfortunately, I will move to another distribution, such as Mint or Debian. Previously, I have moved to other distro's out of curiosity. This is the first time I move because I have lost trust. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
This feature causes all community members to violate the code of conduct. Bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dash/+bug/1070598 I have deleted all my Ubuntu installations and replaced them with Debian. This is a massive shift - never before have I seen an open source project with volunteer contributors go down the route of misleading users for the financial gain of the project founder. Anyone who cares about open/free software principles should abandon this project unless the system is altered to respect user consent and privacy. That means - opt in, explicit consent, and if it's not already, open source for the server-side part of this feature, with the option to use third party servers one might be more inclined to trust. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
I upgraded 12.10, donated some money to Ubuntu, and ran `sudo apt-get remove unity-lens-shopping` I’m not against a monetization strategy with Amazon as a partner. I’m not even against remote searches. I am, however, totally against remote searches in the home lens. I am open to compromise. The home lens could be configurable to turn certain things off and other things on. Prefixing queries with the protocol buy: could override my settings since my intent to buy would be clear. There are several ways to solve this and make (most of) the people subscribed to this issue happy. Until that day I will keep removing this feature using `sudo apt-get remove unity-lens-shopping` and keep telling everyone else to do the same. The day Dash Home is configurable, I will re-install and encourage others to do so as well. I know this is not a blog and that these types of soliloquies aren't welcome in bug reports but let's be honest, this is clearly a debate between Canonical HQ and opposing viewpoints. For this issue to be closed in good faith a compromise must be found. Thank you for your consideration. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
In 12.10 as released, the home lens IS configurable, I've tested this myself on a live flash drive. It works, Amazon searches appear with remote search on and do not appear with it turned off. The issue as of now is rather that the default setting is to return commercial/network results, and the user has to see this and look for a way to turn it off. Does anyone have any data as to what percentage of Ubuntu users ever open their privacy settings? If it is at or near 100% this complaint from me is withdrawn. On the other hand, we've also got users (I know one) who install and find they can't connect to their wi-fi because they are using the machine password instead of the wifi password. How long will it take these folks to find and open their privacy settings? At least they are not on Windoze helping build botnets The issue with default settings being least privacy is not unique to Unity but is shared with Zeitgiest logging, cddb , Firefox, and especially Chromium. All of these should come with default settings for maximum privacy when a live disk/ image boots up, and clear instructions to new users to check these settings and set them to their liking. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
Quoting #129: All of these should come with default settings for maximum privacy when a live disk/ image boots up, and clear instructions to new users to check these settings and set them to their liking. This is an important point. Ubuntu needs to adopt a global Privacy by Default policy, not only for live media but for new installations of Ubuntu and installation of new packages. In accordance with this policy, every feature -- at least within reason and practicality -- that has a demonstrable privacy impact on the user, needs to: 1) have user-configurable levels of privacy; 2) by default be set to the most private setting; and 3) conspicuously inform the user of the feature's privacy implications. The policy should establish the principle that consent for less-than-private settings must be obtained from the user, and obtained only through deliberate post- installation opt-in actions by the user. Such a policy would make a strong statement and greatly affirm user trust in Ubuntu on matters of privacy, as well as positively distinguish Ubuntu from the privacy policies of other prominent operating systems (and other GNU/Linux distributions). Without it, actions such as the inclusion of the Amazon shopping lens in the Home lens scope demonstrate no more trustworthiness on the part of Ubuntu than similar opt-out privacy-violating features slipped into Facebook has done for Facebook in recent years. The existence and global enforcement of such a privacy policy is the only condition under which I would approve of the Amazon search lens' inclusion in the Home lens' scope. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
Thats it i am installing Mint now by default. If i want Bloatware i can also install shitty windows from an OEM disk with may i help you to buy new printer ink notifications. Thanks for ruining ubuntu! I undestand that they want to get more money for developing Unity Lenses like Ubuntu TV and so on. I don´t support this! -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
I get the impression Shuttleworth might have seen our response to this ill-designed feature as the last straw: http://www.extremetech.com/computing/138200-key-parts-of-ubuntu-13-04 -will-be-developed-in-secret-to-escape-the-critics-ire -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
That's somewhat disingenuous. Parts of Ubuntu are already developed in secret - integrated webapps or the HUD weren't announced until there was already a functioning prototype. This shopping lens was kept pretty quiet until it was ready to land. As Shuttleworth points out, criticism happens whenever you reveal it. Shuttleworth's blog post says that they're going to invite trusted members of the community to work on some of those features before they're announced. I see that as an improvement - it will no longer be just Canonical employees working on these 'skunk works' features. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
It's possible I misinterpreted things. I have no problem with experimental prototypes being kept secret when there's no guarantee that they'll ever make it into a release and more options for community collaboration are always good. My only problem with it is that I got the impression Shuttleworth wants to err more on the side of secret until it's already guaranteed to be in the next release. THAT is what I have a problem with. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
Please fix this. Ubuntu is becoming more important than ever. Now is a really bad time to make a mistake this big and pretend it's not just a mistake. I don't care if Amazon integration is included, but if it's obtrusive, something is very, very wrong. Opt-in or not at all. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
Responding to Mario's comments in #118: And what are you talking about 'a new user who has yet to learn to use the terminal to remove the shopping lens'? There is a switch in Privacy settings now. The new privacy settings switch as currently implemented is a poor workaround because it's all-or-nothing. It disables all Internet searches across the entire Dash, whereas removing the shopping lens package (currently) disables only the unwanted Internet search -- the one that from the standpoint of privacy is more accurately characterized as the Amazon Home lens keylogger. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
Responding to Mario Vukelic in # 118: And what are you talking about 'a new user who has yet to learn to use the terminal to remove the shopping lens'? There is a switch in Privacy settings now. Example: When I first set my sister's laptop up with Ubuntu, it took her quite a while to learn to administer the machine from terminal OR from GUI without having to call me up on the phone for tech support, or worse, make arrangements to bring the machine over for tech support. Worst-case example: Person A gives an Ubuntu CD to person B after hearing one too many phone calls for tech support on Windoze. Person B installs from that live disk, only to get a dash full of ads. Person B is furious with person A, who was not present to remove the shopping lens at install time. As for why I have not seen the switch in privacy settings, that is because I never installed and never will install any kind of shopping lens. In addtion, I always remove Zeitgeist from my systems and block the recently-used.xbel file to prevent any attacker from copying recently used data. In addition this protects the privacy of anyone I give an unencrypted version of my private fork by default. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
If this useless feature will not became an opt-in feature Canonical will violate the European »Convention for the Protection of Individuals with regard to Automatic Processing of Personal Data«. I hope for legal consequences. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
This is a screenshot of what you get when you type something with no local hits. I was trying to get to a package manager in a fresh install of Quantal beta 2 yesterday, typed packages, and got this. A screen full of 24 ads. I did not click more suggestion. You get fewer ads if you actually have matching installed local content, in this case, for example gdebi or synaptic. But those don't come installed with Quantal beta 2. ** Attachment added: Screenshot https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+attachment/3396542/+files/unity.jpg -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
That is one UGLY screenshot. I hope people upgrading to 12.10 and keeping the ubuntu-desktop package don't get stuck with the shopping lens. Unity needs to lose weight anyway. and on top of all else two of the last three comments raised legal issues. According to those posts, Ubuntu would become illegal to distribute in Europe, which as a practical matter would mean European mirrors would have to shut down and no computer maker in Europe would be able to install Ubuntu by default. That would really suck, and be worse than the shopping lens itself, which is easily removed. As an experienced user, I always blacklist anything called shopping from all my machines and from my personal private fork of Ubuntu. The real problem would be for a new user who has yet to learn to use the terminal to remove the shopping lens. Another problem would be public access computers running Ubuntu from a live disk, sometimes done for security reasons at activist media centers in macnines with hard drives removed for security reasons. Amazon logs would then substitute for the missing hard drives if the FBI, et al wanted to know what was going on at those computers, unless the shopping lens was re-removed at every boot from the live disk. If Canonical won't exile the shopping lens to installable from repo, maybe a remove ads from operating system script executable by mouse click on the default desktop or even in the first run HUD so users unfamiliar with the terminal can take it out as soon as they install? Would sure save live-disk sysadmins in activst media centers a lot of time. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
Could people please stop misusing this bug report as their personal blog, and at the very least try to be up to date before making comments? Several of the concerns expressed in the past few comments have been addressed in Cristian Parrino's blog post. Cristian is Canonical's Vice President Online Services. http://blog.canonical.com/2012/10/12 /searching-in-the-dash-in-ubuntu-12-10-an-update/. Regarding comment #116 by Darxus see the paragraph titled On improving search quality. Luke in #117, legality is also addressed in the blog post. And what are you talking about a new user who has yet to learn to use the terminal to remove the shopping lens? There is a switch in Privacy settings now. The blog has a comment function to leave your thoughts. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
Mario, that doesn't address a lot of the concerns. If the commenters on the Mozilla bug I previously mentioned are to be believed, you're on legally shaky ground in Germany just sending the Home lens searches over the web as opt-in rather than opt-out, regardless of how you encrypt them and whether or not you link to a privacy policy. The blog post makes no mention of that, nor does it make any mention of how you plan to avoid running afoul of other local laws such as the ones requiring opt-in parental permission to gather data from minors in various countries. Also, you still provided no explanation for why such a half-baked feature was fast-tracked past the feature freeze by executive fiat. Isn't this sort of mess exactly what feature freezing is supposed to prevent? What was so urgent about this feature that you were willing to jeopardize all your carefully cultivated user goodwill in a minor PR fiasco like this? Finally, central to this very bug report, why are you guys so adamant that we have to choose between having our Amazon search in the home lens or not at all? What's wrong with a generic shopping lens or even a remote/web lens? With a little more transparency and more focus on providing a single news destination for this feature, you might not have had to write your post asking people to stay on topic. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
Ugh. Correction: as opt-out rather than opt-in I really need to stop checking my e-mail just before I go to bed. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
In Sweden, it's illegal to present targeted advertisement if the intended receiver of that information is under 18 years of age. My son uses his computer unattended and I have to say I'm really disappointed that it's Canonical I'll have to report to authorities for lurking in adverts to my kids. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
This is beyond serious. I use Ubuntu in a high security, fully encrytped environment. I prefer to limit Internet access to programs I intend to use online, which in my case is browsers, wget, tor, and apt only. Remote searches should be limited to running from the browser in my opinion. Since I do not use the Ubuntu-Desktop package this has not been installed into any of the operating systems or system images I use and distribute, but removing the shopping lens is now one more thing to remember if I set up a machine for someone directly from an installer. Stripping out all the things I do not recommend and getting the things I do recommend already takes hours, which is why I prefer to distribute from OS images taken from one of my machines as each alpha reaches release. I've used Ubuntu for years, this is not yet enough to make me put my alpha-following sytems and images through a crossgrade to Debian Unstable, but it IS enough to force me to blacklist Ubuntu 12.10 live disks or installs directly from them as a recommendation to anyone else. This means having to treat Ubuntu as though it were Windows, meaning I every aspect of security has to be gone over before a new install can ever be used safely. What's next-sudo chromium-browser as the default browser? I really would like to be able to trust a default install, not just my own private fork with all the geo, google, and prefetch crap disabled in Firefox, the shopping lens pulled out, etc etc etc. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
This is certainly not a duplicate of bug #1054746. I just tested that change in Ubutnu 12.10 beta and it's an all or nothing solution. Flick this new switch to OFF, the Video Lense and Music Lense results become local only, no longer searching YouTube or the Music Store like it does now in 12.04,. This is not what we're asking for in this bug report Ie. Don't include remote searches in the home lens We have no problem with remote searches in other lenses, which have been around for 6 months and we were fine with it. Regards, -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
** This bug is no longer a duplicate of bug 1054746 [FFe] [UIFe] No easy way to disable online-fetched results in lenses -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 1054746 *** https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054746 Thank you for taking the time to report this bug and helping to make Ubuntu better. This particular bug has already been reported and is a duplicate of bug 1054746, so it is being marked as such. Please look at the other bug report to see if there is any missing information that you can provide, or to see if there is a workaround for the bug. Additionally, any further discussion regarding the bug should occur in the other report. Feel free to continue to report any other bugs you may find. ** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 1054746 [FFe] [UIFe] No easy way to disable online-fetched results in lenses -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 1054746 *** https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054746 I don't believe that this is a duplicate - this bug is that the lens is enabled (and in the home lens) by default, so it is not fixed by adding an option to disable it. However, it's clear that this is not going to change at present, so I shan't get into bug status wars. I'm not impressed by the whole episode - I think the change makes Ubuntu a worse product in order to increase Canonical's revenue. But I'm pleased that core developers responded to our concerns by at least providing a clear option to disable the 'feature'. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 1054746 *** https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054746 This is really not a duplicate. First of all the dash is the most basic function to interact with my OS. Therefore I expect only search results related to my files and applications residing on my local hard drives. I consider online search results in this context as a bug that threatens my privacy. If the default setting stays this way, I cannot recommend Ubuntu to others, especially Linux beginners with a good conscience. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
I concur with the need for a TOS screen. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
off by default + notification of features and available settings + switch in privacy settings dialog + separate lens, and we're friends again. maybe a dialog box during install with an explanation and an initial setting: We have a shopping lens. it searches for things to buy online. do you want it? [yes] [no] ...Thank you for installing. do you want the lens set to active now? [yes] [no] this can be changed in the System Settings dialog under Privacy [ok] -- the box would pop up during installation or configuration of the package, during fresh install, upgrade and separate install. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
Why Amazon search is placed into Home lens ??? As for me there only can be two separate lenses - Home and Amazon and something else online -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
When I noticed this feature in Quantal my first reaction was: have they gone crazy? I do hope they will decide to make this feature an opt-in, not an opt-out. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
Just to update everyone subscribing to this bug: it appears work is being done on an option to disable remote results without having to remove packages. This could make it into 12.10. I'd rather they were disabled by default, but I'm pleased that the Ubuntu developers are making changes in response to our concerns, rather than just dismissing them. More info here: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/09/is-an-off-switch-for- the-shopping-lens-in-the-works -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
It needs to be opt-in, or there needs to be a ToS screen that details what this service does and how to disable it. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
Apparently Amazon DOES get your IP address and enough data to statistically infer your query when a search is performed. http://benjaminkerensa.com/2012/09/25/technical-diagram-of-how-unity-shopping-lens-likely-works I've written about this here: https://perot.me/ubuntu-privacy-blunder- over-amazon-ads-continues And filed a bug report about this here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens- shopping/+bug/1055952 It is a clear contradiction with the stated goal of proxying the request through Canonical's server. Mark Shuttleworth states that it's to preserve the user's anonymity, yet without proxying the thumbnail requests, the anonymity is thrown out the window (Canonical's stats about what users are searching, however, are not). -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
** Changed in: unity-lens-shopping (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = Domagoj Bet (jack6543) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
@jack6543: Assigning yourself to a bug means that you're in a position to fix it, which it doesn't look like you are. If you want to subscribe to it, the link is in the bar on the right. ** Changed in: unity-lens-shopping (Ubuntu) Assignee: Domagoj Bet (jack6543) = (unassigned) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
I would be interested in Amazon's view on this... In their conditions of use (Amazon UK), in section 17 they say explicitly: ...If you are under 18 you may use the Amazon Services only with the involvement of a parent or guardian.. For me, sending a search query (even if doing this by a third party) and in return receiving results is in fact a usage of their service. Since Ubuntu is intended to be used by all people, regardless of their age, it is unavoidable that users under the age of 18 will use their services. So, will they change their conditions of use? Or will Ubuntu become an adult-only OS? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
I have trusted my root to Canonical since the Hoary days. However if this trust is (mis)used to funnel my local, private searches into the internet and display obtrusive ads on my desktop - I have had it! I really hope this will be an opt-in feature before 12.10 is released... -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
Keeping in theme with the lense Metaphor, I propose: * Macro Lense * Put whatever you want in here, including Amazon searches and whatever else is appropriate to represent “everything.” * Micro Lense * Same as the current home in 12.04; Show as many internal data sources as possible but no 3rd party servers. * Ability to change the Home Lense to any Lense * The default out of the box is the Macro (Amazon) Lense, but the user can change this to any lense. Heck, maybe they even change it to the Video Lense on an old netbook they setup for their mom’s (future) makeshift Netflix device where ubuntu gets a royality. Empower your real users, not your theoretical users. Thank you for your consideration. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
Regrettably, for me this is potentially a deal-breaker, which is sad given that I've been an Ubuntu user and supporter for many years. I could of course trivially remove this feature, but what this indicates to me is the overall direction in which Canonical is taking things, and it's a direction which I'd find difficult to endorse either for personal or business uses. The privacy issue is something of significantly greater magnitude than previous heated debates about the position of close buttons or the location of the Unity launcher. I have from time to time purchased books on Amazon, but it's both unnecessary and not useful for me to be performing an Amazon search every time I look for files or documents using the super key or dash button. I'm aware of the key shortcuts, but it's the idea that the default behavior is one which potentially compromises privacy and provides superfluous information which is my primary concern. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
If this feature not will be changed to an opt in feature, concerning privacy Canonical will become even worse than Microsoft, Apple and Google together. I would never ever use or recommend it again. It is absolutely unacceptable, that the string I am searching for on my computer is being send to any company by default. I rather pay for software than use a company's software that is giving it for free but spies on my. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
Apparently Amazon DOES get your IP address and enough data to statistically infer your query when a search is performed. http://benjaminkerensa.com/2012/09/25/technical-diagram-of-how-unity- shopping-lens-likely-works -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
Could we at least very explicitly tell the user that Unity has this and other premium features that we don't know of? Also suggest users who don't want any premium service from Canonical to try out Xubuntu or Debian? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
** Changed in: unity-lens-shopping (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed = Invalid -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
I will simply echo askuhn: I'm just adding to the clutter here as this has been said many times, but simply separating this feature/sponsorship from the home lens satisfies all of my concerns as an Ubuntu user. I applaud Canonical for trying to monetize their product, but not if it compromises user privacy without their explicit consent. Please address this issue before 12.10. Thank you. I WANT the shopping lense, I just don't want it in the home section of Dash -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1054776] Re: Don't include remote searches in the home lens
@danillo: And hey, if you wanna be heard, just stop the ever-annoying I'm moving to/recomending whatever distro threats. Things like that add nothing to the arguments in question and make you look like spoiled adolescents. You're mistaken. These are not threats, they're notices. Some users who have completely lost trust in Canonical have decided to vote with their feet. These users want to make it plainly clear precisely why they left, so when someone at Canonical is looking at the 2012 Q4 numbers that particular chunk of attrition can't be mis-attributed as anything else. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054776 Title: Don't include remote searches in the home lens To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1054776/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
