[Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-06 Thread Troy James Sobotka
Adding colour to an Ubuntu wallpaper is _not_ the problem.  Anyone who
considers adding colour to Ubuntu a bug should be sentenced to at least
four years of design study in the area of colour theory.

Please be mature enough to realize that publishing a bug such as this
will effectively set us back to the monochromatic Ubuntu years.  By
presenting this as a bug and dimwittingly agreeing to it, you are _not_
moving Ubuntu's art and design ahead.  There are extremely high profile
people at Ubuntu who firmly believe that adding colour to Ubuntu
confuses the palette.   The poor execution present in this wallpaper
should _not_ be used as an I told you so.

This wallpaper has far more significant problems than the colours.
Ubuntu needs _more_ colour in its presentation, not less.  It _does_
require well planned and executed colour however, which this wallpaper
may be accused of suffering from, among other ailments.

If you believe this to be a poor wallpaper choice, don't hide it under
the guise of a poorly anchored observation.

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[Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-06 Thread MarniX
Troy: I don't think you got the point here, although the title says
something about green, if you follow above discussion/comments, you read
that almost NObody likes this wallpaper, not only the colours, but just
the overall idea of this wallpaper.

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RE: [Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-06 Thread Tux.Ice
+1

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Troy: I don't think you got the point here, although the title says
something about green, if you follow above discussion/comments, you read
that almost NObody likes this wallpaper, not only the colours, but just
the overall idea of this wallpaper.

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[Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-06 Thread exploder
The entire point of the bug report is that an overwhelming number of
people think the wallpaper is horrible. If you looked up the word
hideous in the dictionary it would say  see Ubuntu Intrepid. There has
been a new theme promised twice and this is not even an attempt to
deliver this. This is how Microsoft handles things, they completely
ignore what the end user's want. Is this really how we want Intrepid to
be viewed?

I have now read two reviews that have had very negative comments
regarding the theme and wallpaper. There are one man distributions with
better artwork that this! Ubuntu is probably the only distribution in
history that has a bug report filed against it's artwork. Doesn't that
say something? Does any other distribution have hundreds of reply s on
it's forums about how bad the the wallpaper is?

There needs to be change. Two releases now people have been anxiously
waiting for change in the theme and wallpaper. I thought Ubuntu is
Linux For Human Beings. Human beings are asking for decent artwork.
What possible reason could there be for  not having better artwork?
Ubuntu can build a distribution that is #1 on Distrowatch.com but can
not include better artwork than the current default?

Come on, this is bug #1.

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[Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-06 Thread Mike Rooney
Hi everyone! This bug is indeed in progress and will be addressed quite
soon. The current wallpaper is NOT the final one. Here is the relevant
discussion from a recent #ubuntu-devel IRC log
(http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/10/06/%23ubuntu-devel.txt):

[13:00] Hobbsee kwwii: is that dreary wallpaper *really* the final one?
[13:00] kwwii Hobbsee: no
[13:01] Hobbsee kwwii: oh thank goodness.  What's the new one like?
[13:01] Hobbsee kwwii: and when will it land?
[13:01] kwwii Hobbsee: it is one that everybody loves :p
[13:01] kwwii Hobbsee: asap

Sounds like it might be
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Earthenibex_wallpaper
or a derivation thereof. Thanks everyone for expression your desires and
opinions; it definitely has an impact with Ubuntu.

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[Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-06 Thread Brian
Hallelujah. No really. o_o I was SERIOUSLY freaked that Intrepid would ship 
with that disgusting thing.
Reading that log, he said he's looking at using Earthen Ibex, which I find 
amazing.  3 I'm using it right now.

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[Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-05 Thread PC-load_letter
The current wallpaper is tasteless, ugly, and gives the wrong impression to 
someone who is trying Ubuntu for the first time. The current choice of the 
wallpaper conveys a message of unprofessional quality that will cause many 
first timers to steer clear of even trying Ubuntu. 
There are countless better choices out there, even just within the Ibex 
community art, and the Gnome-art pages. 

Releasing Ibex with this choice of wallpaper is an irresponsible
decision that needs to be reviewed in my opinion.

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[Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-05 Thread diffuze
Any plain one-color wallpaper would be better than this one.

I almost started to look at my monitorsettings, the circles look like
some sort of artifacts.

PC-load_letter: +1 !!

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[Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-05 Thread Fabio Marzocca
I know... it's just a joke. It will not be the final wallpaper... it
cannot be

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Re: [Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-05 Thread prafjessor
God, i hope so!


2008/10/5 Fabio Marzocca [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I know... it's just a joke. It will not be the final wallpaper... it
 cannot be

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 Bug description:
 Binary package hint: ubuntu-wallpapers

 The new Intrepid wallpaper appears to have a swirl of blue and a swirl of
 purple circles, neither of which fit the Ubuntu color scheme, and make it
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[Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-05 Thread Martin Beltov
This has the potential to scare people away from Ubuntu

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[Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-05 Thread Gina
I certainly hope this IS a joke and that we get something decent for the
final release.  This is the worst I think I've ever seen though the
elephant hide came close!  To be more constructive...  I really like
the Heron wallpaper - I was very impressed with that - striking,
different, colourful, yet with the Ubuntu Heron theme firmly visible.  I
have been hoping to see something similar using an Ibex for the 8.10
release.  Currently I'm using one of the silhouettes of an Ibex in the
sunset as the best I've found so far for my liking.

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[Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-05 Thread Tux.Ice
OK, I added a few more, I think they look pretty good
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/BrownOrange_Wallpaper

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[Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-05 Thread MarniX
I like the first one most, although some circles are a bit pixelated (is
that a word ?)

Nevertheless, the CURRENT wallpaper must be thrown in the trash...

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Re: [Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-05 Thread Tux.Ice
yes i know they are pixelated, i will fix possibly later on today

On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 10:02 AM, MarniX [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 I like the first one most, although some circles are a bit pixelated (is
 that a word ?)

 Nevertheless, the CURRENT wallpaper must be thrown in the trash...

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[Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-05 Thread Tux.Ice
NOTE: This bug report has been noticed by canonical, please leave all
comments for the BrownOrange wallpapers at the bottom of the wiki page,
thnx!

** Changed in: ubuntu-wallpapers (Ubuntu)
   Status: Confirmed = In Progress

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[Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-05 Thread MarniX
Status changed to in progress

I hope this means they admit the wallpaper has to be changed??

/me is very hopeful!

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RE: [Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-05 Thread Tux.Ice
Hopefully

-Original Message-
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Sent: October 5, 2008 11:24 AM
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Status changed to in progress

I hope this means they admit the wallpaper has to be changed??

/me is very hopeful!

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[Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-05 Thread David Prieto
I have to agree that the wallpaper is sad and depressing. Simply
altering the saturation, however (+75), improves the situation
dramatically, at least to my taste.

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[Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-05 Thread ablanco
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Earthenibex_wallpaper?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget
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Re: [Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-04 Thread Tux.Ice
Actually, what i meant was if nobody likes MINE, I respect the fact that he
put time and effort into that, heres mine:


** Attachment added: wallpaper2.png
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Re: [Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-04 Thread Cris G
Hi, maybe could better this style, is more simple; you can use it as free if
you want ;) cheers, cris

2008/10/4 Tux.Ice [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Actually, what i meant was if nobody likes MINE, I respect the fact that he
 put time and effort into that, heres mine:


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Re: [Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-04 Thread Tux.Ice
Cris, I like it!

On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 7:40 AM, Cris G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi, maybe could better this style, is more simple; you can use it as free
 if
 you want ;) cheers, cris

 2008/10/4 Tux.Ice [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  Actually, what i meant was if nobody likes MINE, I respect the fact that
 he
  put time and effort into that, heres mine:
 
 
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[Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-04 Thread ces
It *was* brought up in ubuntu-art. This discussion has already made the rounds 
there, see this post:
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2008-October/008079.html

The final reply was:
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2008-October/008089.html

To quote from that message: We aren't the official art team, that is
left to Canonical and their team of professional artists. We work on
community themes and wallpapers, and if Mark likes one of our themes, he
will use it. In other words, it's still a community mailing list, with
no real link to the actual Art Team.

Speaking of community themes and wallpapers, there are many excellent
examples in the Artwork wiki. NewHuman and Dust are current theme
favorites, but I would understand if Ubuntu wouldn't want to use dark
menus for the default theme. Even so, this bug isn't even about the
theme (although a lot of people were let down that there was no new
theme included), but the wallpaper, and numerous other wallpapers have
been pointed out in this thread alone.

This discussion has made the rounds at the Ubuntu Forums several times
as well. Someone at the forums said it was unproductive to complain
there, since the devs don't usually read the forums; that's why I think
this bug exists. If there's a *more* appropriate venue for these
concerns, do tell.

(Oh yeah, and just so there's no confusion: I think the current Ibex
wallpaper is , to put it bluntly, ugly. My first reaction to seeing it
was eurgh. I'm pretty sure I've never had that sort of reaction to
previous Ubuntu wallpapers. Even a meh sort of reaction would be an
improvement.)

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[Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-03 Thread plun
Reference to media and how it looks.

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=Njc1NA

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[Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-03 Thread Hernando Torque
Agreed. The actual work looks more like a loveless plan B. While I like
the idea with the swirl the colors totally destroy it.

27 days should be enough to pep up the wallpaper and gdm background.

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[Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-03 Thread exploder
Here is a link to the discussions about the new wallpaper. There are
very few positive comments.

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=934365

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[Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-03 Thread Savvas Radević
** Changed in: ubuntu-wallpapers (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: (unassigned) = Ubuntu Artwork Team (ubuntu-art)

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[Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-03 Thread Goswin
I hate to 'me too' in a bugreport, but I just can't keep quiet any
longer. How can this wallpaper be the best the wiki or other sources
have to offer? PLEASE don't ship with this front - Ubuntu will be mocked
for it to no end! Focus would be on artwork for this cycle, so everyone
is keeping a close eye on us in that regard. At least show that we are
working on it. This wallpaper is the worst I've seen in all Ubuntu's
existance.

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[Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-03 Thread exploder
Confirmed. The default wallpaper is terrible and it does not conform to
the Ubuntu look at all. A new ATTRACTIVE theme was promised for this
release and I agree that there is still plenty of time to fix this.

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[Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-03 Thread plun
** Changed in: ubuntu-wallpapers (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Confirmed

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[Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-03 Thread vista killer
the worst wallpaper ever

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[Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-03 Thread Bossieman
I can confirm this too. This should be fixed asap, the release is close
and II looks like a bad LSD-trip in wrong colors.

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[Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-03 Thread Zlatan
I am really sorry to say that, but it is terrible.

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[Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-03 Thread hauke
I think the wallpaper in the alfa version is just a joke.

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[Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-03 Thread MarniX
Here is my forum post, hope it will help the discussion here, too.


Didn't Mark Shuttleworth spoke about being more beautiful than Apple at OSCON 
2008? Don't we all want to fix bug #1?

The first impression of Ubuntu is THE MOST IMPORTANT PART of attracting
new users. Booting has to be more attractive than just plainly copying
Windows. The transition from Usplash to GDM has to be a nice fading, the
transition from GDM to Gnome has to be a nice fading. Not *BOOM* Black
to Brown and *BOOM*Brown to Orange *BOOM* to background...

And most of all: the WALLPAPER has to be attractive! A default Gnome screen of 
1280x1024 has to bars of both 24px, that leaves 1249280 pixels of wallpaper, if 
I did my math correct, that's 96.2% of the screen! When the wallpaper is as 
boring as this one, users will just say: That looks really unprofesional, how 
can I trust this OS?


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[Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-03 Thread Joshua Blount
While I appreciate that everyone wants to voice their opinion, it seems
we've come to the consensus that the wallpaper is not quite up to par
with how we feel about Ubuntu.

Perhaps at this point it would be more valuable to spend our time
hacking around in GIMP or Inkscape to produce some better options,
rather than repeatedly agreeing that this wallpaper isn't quite up to
par.

Please don't take this as anything other than a constructive suggestion,
and of course feel free to disagree; however I won't be able to respond
because I'll be spending my freetime working on Ubuntu wallpapers.  :)

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RE: [Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-03 Thread Tux.Ice
Ill mess and make a new one toniight, any suggestions on how it should
look?

-Original Message-
From: Joshua Blount [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

While I appreciate that everyone wants to voice their opinion, it seems
we've come to the consensus that the wallpaper is not quite up to par
with how we feel about Ubuntu.

Perhaps at this point it would be more valuable to spend our time
hacking around in GIMP or Inkscape to produce some better options,
rather than repeatedly agreeing that this wallpaper isn't quite up to
par.

Please don't take this as anything other than a constructive suggestion,
and of course feel free to disagree; however I won't be able to respond
because I'll be spending my freetime working on Ubuntu wallpapers.  :)

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[Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-03 Thread Matthias Klumpp
It should look like this:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/SimpleDarkIbex

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[Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-03 Thread MarniX
Joshua Blount  wrote: Perhaps at this point it would be more valuable
to spend our time hacking around in GIMP or Inkscape to produce some
better options, rather than repeatedly agreeing that this wallpaper
isn't quite up to par.

The point is that the community made enough very good wallpapers (see
Artwork wiki) , but somehow somebody chose to put this thing in the
beta..

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[Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-03 Thread Tux.Ice
Ok, I will create a new wallpaper, any suggestions on how it should
look?

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[Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-03 Thread Tux.Ice
Ok, I will create a new wallpaper, any suggestions on how it should
look?

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[Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-03 Thread Durand D'souza
Tux.Ice, the point is that there are already loads of really amazing
wallpapers. No point in making another..

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[Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-03 Thread Tux.Ice
Well, I might as well, since im half done, but if nobody likes it,
Kenneth should definatly change this.

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[Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-03 Thread Tux.Ice
Here:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/BrownOrange_Wallpaper

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[Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-03 Thread C.Kontros
PLEASE!! I do not need my email filled with useless posts about this.
Launchpad is *not* for discussion like this. Please take it to
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art. That's where this
should have gone from the start.

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[Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-03 Thread exploder
I subscribed to the mailing list as suggested. With all due respect,
this bug report was written because a new theme has been promised twice
now. The current default theme is hideous and people are trying their
best to speak up about it. There is an outcry for change and the
community wants to be heard. I have read one review on the beta and the
new artwork was mentioned in a very negative manor. There is still time
to change this situation and community members have submitted some
quality artwork that could be used.

There was community outcry about the EULA that Mozilla wanted to include
and there was change. The default artwork is no different and it is time
for change.

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Re: [Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-03 Thread rick.duff
The point is the decision making in including one out of the better ones
and efforts we've put forth and taken the time to create. 

Perhaps we could get consensus approval from the people on this list, which
would at least respect the artist's time, effort and donation of copyright, to 
Canonical
by at least asking our opinion, moving forward.

There are better options as previously stated on this list.

Rick

Tux.Ice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I might as well, since im half done, 
but if nobody likes it,
Kenneth should definatly change this.

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[Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-03 Thread exploder
I think that the gdm theme looks better than the previous one. Possibly
if the wallpaper had similar colored circles it might look pretty good.
What spoils the wallpaper is the green and magenta circles. The green is
especially distracting. The shade of brown used in the wallpaper seems
to look alright with the default theme and the included dark
theme.Possibly some fine tuning of the colors of the circles would give
the default wallpaper a pleasant effect.

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[Bug 276594] Re: New default Intrepid wallpaper is green

2008-10-02 Thread bedfojo
Confirmed. It's biblically ugly.

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