Re: [Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
Hi Robbie, yes, I have an ATI/Radeon RV350 AS [Radeon 9550] graphics card. Possibly due to this, I can't boot normally; I lose the use of the keyboard mouse at the sign-on stage have to use the restart button do the following. (I submitted bug report #580755 on this, but I am the only subscriber, so it is still in the new/undecided/unassigned states). I have to use a very strange boot process. (select the failsafe kernel, select boot in failsafe mode, start X, then basic sign-on with only my user (acceptable)). For the first failsafe boot after shut-down, shut-down, I then need to start CUPS; I also start hplip. When I usually shut-down, I use hibernate; then the PC starts with all of what I need working. My PC is 5 years old, with a single core 2.8 Ghz Intel processor 2 GB of RAM. I have been using Ubuntu for 4 of those years (upgrading regularly to the latest version), previously with far fewer problems than with 10.04. I am not much more than a basic end-user, who has had to learn much more than I did with MS Windows. I submitted my CUPS problem on #590551, but this was recognised as a duplicate of #554172. I have not tried the 3-step workaround, as I am not confident of recovering if I make an error (this happened recently on my Myth PC, when I tried to implement a suggested fix/workaround on 9.10. It failed miserably, just left me some strange state, with lots of lines of output. I couldn't fix things because the HDD had reached its limit for checking (fsck), the system wouldn't mount (?) it, so I couldn't restore the back-up of the file I changed. Garry Leach. On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 22:01 +, Robbie Williamson wrote: One more question, does anyone affected by this bug NOT have an nvidia graphics card, i.e. ATI/Radeon or Intel? -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
Intel IGP here, Q33/Q45/Q43. As I've stated in #543506, this affected 20 machines on the day that we were due to send them to site; only the /dev/console work-around allowed these machines to boot reliably, and start our application. In those circumstances, try explaining to your boss why you recommended moving from Red Hat EL 5 to Ubuntu 10.04 LTS... -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
It occurs to me that if you want to force the /dev/console bug, it might be as simple as adding console output to all the /etc/init/*.conf files. If successful it could leave the installation unbootable, so I would advise doing this in a disposable installation on a separate partition. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
Brian Burch's circumvention in post 190 just failed me after about 20 good boots. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
Still trying to recreate...and failing. Is anyone seeing this with the LATEST kernel, which is 2.6.32-24-generic (-pae if needed) #39...not #38. Running a 'uname -a' will tell you if you have #39. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
Robbie Williamson, I can confirm that this effects 2.6.32-24-generic #39. I upgrade the Dual CPU Pentium 3 server (see comment 151, 162 and 195) yesterday to test this, and it failed to enter runlevel 2: $ runlevel unknown $ uname -a Linux aa39.uk.fabit.net 2.6.32-24-generic-pae #39-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jul 28 07:39:26 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux About 20 other machines (virtual and real hardware) have been upgraded to 10.04 without meeting this problem, so it may take some time and different hardware combinations to recreate. If you need any more details on this server then let me know or look at the attachment to comment #195. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
John Edwards, thanks! ** Summary changed: - CUPS and other system services not starting at boot + system services not starting at boot -- system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
Alas, I too am being regularly bitten by this bug. I have a fully up to date version of Lucid, V10.04. Computer: mobo Asus M2N-SLI DELUXE, nVidia chipset, CPU dual core Athlon 64, main memory 1GiB, video chipset nVidia 7600GS, monitor 19-inch Hitach CM766ET CRT. Computer was built by me in 2006, it would be considered very humble and ordinary these days. INCIDENCE: I cold boot every day, and the bug usually happens. If I restart, the bug usually does not happen, however, restarts are usually useless to clear the bug, once it does happen. It has only happened since around late July 2010. Previously, Ubuntu would boot satisfactorily. DETECTION: After every cold boot or restart, I do System Administration Printing. If there is no printer shown in the Printing - localhost window, then CUPS did not start and I cannot print. Then I do the workaround (see below), that fixes it. If the printer is there in the window, the bug is not present and I continue as normal. WORKAROUND: Do Applications Accessories Terminal, Gnome Terminal starts. Enter command: sudo telinit 2 Put in the user password, command returns, then quit Terminal. Recheck System Administration Printing to verify that CUPS is now running. Continue as normal. RUNLEVEL: I have spent many hours doing CLI commands to try to investigate this bug. At all times when the bug is present, doing the runlevel command gives the result unknown. When the bug is not present, runlevel reports N 2. This suggests that the Upstart job /etc/init/rc.rc-sysinit.conf is not running. In an attempt to make it run more reliably, I changed the line in rc-sysinit.conf reading: start on filesystem and net-device-up IFACE=lo to: start on filesystem I had a theory that the parsing for events in Upstart was not working properly, so simplifying the event might help. Nope. That did not fix the bug. SCRIPT rc.local NOT RUNNING: When the bug happens, /etc/rc.local does not run. I verified that by putting into rc.local, just after the initial comments, the following two lines: # Put a status line in /var/log/syslog logger Running /etc/rc.local Then, whenever /etc/rc.local is run, there gets to be a line in /var/log/syslog which includes the text: localhost logger: Running /etc/rc.local Such lines can easily be found by doing gedit /var/log/syslog (or gedit /var/log/syslog.1, if syslog is too recent), then search for logger. When the bug happens, there is no line such line in /var/log/syslog, for the buggy start. IMPORTANCE: I am not happy that the importance of this bug has been downgraded to High from Critical. This is a very serious bug for users who do not know a workaround (as given above). It is the sort of thing that gets people giving up on Linux and going back to Windows. Please put it back up to Critical. SUSPICIONS: I have a low level of suspicion about the kernel and Plymouth. I have a high level of suspicion about Upstart. I think Scott James Remnant should take more interest this bug, even though he is pointing the finger at the kernel in comment #136. COMMENT FOR SCOTT: How about making all Upstart job files have the extension .upjob ? -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
Oops, hasty proofreading. In comment #208 of mine, the sentence: This suggests that the Upstart job /etc/init/rc.rc-sysinit.conf is not running. should read: This suggests that the Upstart job /etc/init/rc-sysinit.conf is not running. Wrong filename. Sorry about that folks. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
I agree about Critical being the right category. Even people knowing the workaround will have problems when they supervise a system where not every user can sudo. Which would be EVERY system where some new user is being helped by someone else (partner, friend, co-worker). This new users will indeed switch if they can't use their computer as a typewriter. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
I will third the Critical. Even though I was able to get it booting quickly again reliably with one of the workarounds (thanks Mike and others) it is disconcerting to me to know that it could just start doing this again pretty much whenever. This is a server that we shipped out to a client site and it was quite embarrassing to give them a server that wouldn't boot (it didn't exhibit this behavior until the new location). -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
This bug is marked High in accordance to our guidelines: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
I'm going to try and recreate this using a 32bit Ubuntu Server installation. Can those experiencing the problem confirm that this occurs on fresh installs, as well as upgrades? I need to determine if I need to install 9.10 and upgrade, or just 10.04 directly. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
As a very average nonexpert user, I want to point out that I have been switching to Windows for 2 months now, each time I wanted to print, because I didn't have time to hunt for the forums. It is only a couple of days ago that I got so frustrated with Lucid Lynx not printing, that I finally found this bug report page ( learned the different workaround tips)... Many users probably, like I did, just reboot on windows to print, and some, maybe many, probably abandon the Lynx altogether (this bug is really annoying). You may be losing a number of non-expert users if you continue to perceive this bug as only high priority, based on the little hundred of users following this bug report... It may be affecting many more people (i.e. a severe impact on a large portion of Ubuntu users), but not necessarily the people who populated the user forums launchpad webpages... Of course, it's hard to tell... Good luck with solving this bug asap, which is a nasty thorn in your lynx's paw! (Of course, I am one of the many people incapable of applying the more cumbersome workarounds described by some users on this webpage... I just reinstalled CUPS hope that will do for now...) -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
Fresh and upgrades of 32bit lucid confirmed I'm going to try and recreate this using a 32bit Ubuntu Server installation. Can those experiencing the problem confirm that this occurs on fresh installs, as well as upgrades? I need to determine if I need to install 9.10 and upgrade, or just 10.04 directly. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of a duplicate bug. Status in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in The Lucid Lynx: Confirmed Bug description: Binary package hint: cups Cups is not loading on my machine at boot, must run sudo /etc/init.d/cups start to after booting to print. ProblemType: Bug DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04 Package: cups 1.4.2-10 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-19.28-generic 2.6.32.10+drm33.1 Uname: Linux 2.6.32-19-generic i686 NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia Architecture: i386 Date: Fri Apr 2 13:07:35 2010 InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid Lynx - Alpha i386 (20100401) Lpstat: Error: command ['lpstat', '-v'] failed with exit code 1: lpstat: Connection refused MachineType: Dell Inc. Studio XPS 1340 Papersize: letter PpdFiles: Brother-HL-2170W-series: Brother HL-2170W Foomatic/pxlmono (recommended) ProcCmdLine: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-19-generic root=UUID=615bbe85-506a-4152-af5a-a5c2da303d83 ro quiet splash ProcEnviron: LANG=en_US.utf8 SHELL=/bin/bash SourcePackage: cups dmi.bios.date: 09/08/2009 dmi.bios.vendor: Dell Inc. dmi.bios.version: A11 dmi.board.name: 0Y279R dmi.board.vendor: Dell Inc. dmi.board.version: A11 dmi.chassis.asset.tag: 1234567890 dmi.chassis.type: 8 dmi.chassis.vendor: Dell Inc. dmi.chassis.version: A11 dmi.modalias: dmi:bvnDellInc.:bvrA11:bd09/08/2009:svnDellInc.:pnStudioXPS1340:pvrA11:rvnDellInc.:rn0Y279R:rvrA11:cvnDellInc.:ct8:cvrA11: dmi.product.name: Studio XPS 1340 dmi.product.version: A11 dmi.sys.vendor: Dell Inc. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/554172/+subscribe -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
I've had the issue on both fresh installs and upgrades from 9.10. On 08/04/2010 04:38 PM, Phil Went wrote: Fresh and upgrades of 32bit lucid confirmed I'm going to try and recreate this using a 32bit Ubuntu Server installation. Can those experiencing the problem confirm that this occurs on fresh installs, as well as upgrades? I need to determine if I need to install 9.10 and upgrade, or just 10.04 directly. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of a duplicate bug. Status in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in The Lucid Lynx: Confirmed Bug description: Binary package hint: cups Cups is not loading on my machine at boot, must run sudo /etc/init.d/cups start to after booting to print. ProblemType: Bug DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04 Package: cups 1.4.2-10 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-19.28-generic 2.6.32.10+drm33.1 Uname: Linux 2.6.32-19-generic i686 NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia Architecture: i386 Date: Fri Apr 2 13:07:35 2010 InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid Lynx - Alpha i386 (20100401) Lpstat: Error: command ['lpstat', '-v'] failed with exit code 1: lpstat: Connection refused MachineType: Dell Inc. Studio XPS 1340 Papersize: letter PpdFiles: Brother-HL-2170W-series: Brother HL-2170W Foomatic/pxlmono (recommended) ProcCmdLine: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-19-generic root=UUID=615bbe85-506a-4152-af5a-a5c2da303d83 ro quiet splash ProcEnviron: LANG=en_US.utf8 SHELL=/bin/bash SourcePackage: cups dmi.bios.date: 09/08/2009 dmi.bios.vendor: Dell Inc. dmi.bios.version: A11 dmi.board.name: 0Y279R dmi.board.vendor: Dell Inc. dmi.board.version: A11 dmi.chassis.asset.tag: 1234567890 dmi.chassis.type: 8 dmi.chassis.vendor: Dell Inc. dmi.chassis.version: A11 dmi.modalias: dmi:bvnDellInc.:bvrA11:bd09/08/2009:svnDellInc.:pnStudioXPS1340:pvrA11:rvnDellInc.:rn0Y279R:rvrA11:cvnDellInc.:ct8:cvrA11: dmi.product.name: Studio XPS 1340 dmi.product.version: A11 dmi.sys.vendor: Dell Inc. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/554172/+subscribe -- *** * -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
Also effected a server that was upgraded from Ubuntu 8.04 - see comments 151, 162 and 195: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/554172/comments/151 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/554172/comments/162 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/554172/comments/195 -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
Critical vs High For example, if the system fails to boot, or X fails to start, on a certain make and model of computer This is not a certain make and model. It appears to be any make and model. It also appears that it can occur almost spontaneously as a response to even normally very benign environmental conditions (did your DHCP server take longer to respond than normal?). Also given as many issues that this is considered duplicate of and that it appears it could unpredictably strike anyone without notice makes it pretty serious indeed. That's my case and I'll leave it at that. For me it appeared on a fresh 10.04 Server install, after upgrading on 7/28, and only after a change of physical environment (disconnected monitor, different network). Yesterday, I attempted to duplicate it on similar hardware and could not. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
* Confirmed for fresh Lucid 64bit with amd dual and quad core machines. * Not confirmed for fresh Lucid 32bit on old intel single core. As suggested in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/543506/comments/83 the problem was solved by removing console output in all /etc/init/*.conf files and modifying /etc/init/rc-sysinit.conf . -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
Thanks for the confirmation. Since it will make people happy, I'll change to Critical, but please understand that doing this doesn't trigger some sort of all points bulletin or ninja bug fixer squad to jump on itas acting release manager, and lead of the Canonical team responsible for the OS plumbing layer...you have the right person's attention on it ;). ** Changed in: Ubuntu Lucid Importance: High = Critical -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
One more question, does anyone affected by this bug NOT have an nvidia graphics card, i.e. ATI/Radeon or Intel? -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
The Dual CPU Pentium 3 server (see comment 151, 162 and 195) that has this problem has a very old ATI Rage chipset on the motherboard: $ runlevel unknown $ lspci | grep -i vga 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage XL AGP 2X (rev 27) It does not enter runlevel 2 about 25% to 50% of the time. It does not run X in any form, and would normally run postfix, apache, and slapd. SSH is started by upstart but console logins are not. Luckily it is semi-retired and currently only used as a test server. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
What? No Ninja's? The Dell R200 dual core server I was using has a ATI ES1000 (Rage not Radeon I guess). However, with the Dell Remote Administration Card, output on the ATI is disabled and is instead sent through the DRAC. Not sure what that means for you. Further, I did not install X at all. 64bit Lucid, fresh install. Everyone that I have seen that specified, specified at least 2 core machines. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
The machine I had with the problem had a Radeon 4xxx card. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
I'll try to recreate on my laptop this week, which has an Intel card. I'm currently away from my machine with nvidia, but will be home this weekend...where I can do a recreate there as well. If possible, does anyone have the time/resources to try and recreate with 10.10 Alpha 3, which is scheduled to release tomorrow? The data would be useful for debugging purposes...and don't worry, if the bug isn't present in 10.10, we won't say then just upgrade to 10.10 as the solution. ;) -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
On Wed, Aug 04, 2010 at 11:15:32PM -, Robbie Williamson wrote: I'll try to recreate on my laptop this week, which has an Intel card. I don't understand all this concern about which video card is in the machine. The evidence is that if /sbin/init tries to write to /dev/console too early, it fails. I did a step-by-step analysis in Bug 543506. Start at comment #54. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/543506/comments/54 -- Mike Bianchi Foveal Systems 973 822-2085 mbian...@foveal.com http://www.AutoAuditorium.com http://www.FovealMounts.com -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
On Tue, Aug 03, 2010 at 02:38:04AM -, Lindsay Barclay wrote: ... and for some reason it worked. It has been two days and I have done 10 cold restarts and cups has loaded each time. I can't explain it, ... This bug, which at its base is unreliable boots where scripts in /etc/init/*.conf and /etc/rc2.d do not get executed, has _always_ proven to be random. We have seen dozens of successful boots in a row, followed by a failure, and vice versa. The workarounds _do_not_ promise you will never see a bad boot. I can only say that, for me, it _appears_ to have fixed the problem. You can determine if the boot was probably good by running the runlevel command. If it returns N 2, the evidence is that you _very_likely_ to have had a good boot and all the services are started. If it returns unknown the evidence is that many services did not start, CUPS among them. I added the runlevel command as the last line of my .bashrc profile, so I saw the state as soon as I opened a terminal. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
I managed to eliminate this issue merely by commenting out all the console output lines in the five init files mentioned above. What is also interesting is this I did not have any problems with this machine while it was on my desk. I booted it countless times without problems while configuring it. After packing it up and shipping it to a data center where it was merely hooked up (ethernet/power, no monitor) it fails to boot pretty much all the time (but stops at different points). Occasionally it will stop when SSH is up but the consoles are still down, allowing me to get into the machine. The machine has a DRAC. As I said, the _only_ thing I changed were the console output lines. Could the lack of a monitor actually plugged into the DRAC have anything to do with it (Dell Remote Administration Card)? Maybe there are three workarounds because there are different causes for the same race conditions? Grasping but the difference was immediate and abrupt. And the same server was working _unchanged_ but just in a different physical location with absolutely _zero_ changes. It wasn't even configured to use DHCP, it was static IP in both locations so there shouldn't really be any material network effects... Hardware: Dell R200 DRAC4p -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
. . .Could the lack of a monitor actually plugged into the DRAC have anything to do with it (Dell Remote Administration Card)? I would say yes. While working out that /dev/console was part of the problem I did many boots with verbose turned on and could see that order of the start-up processes in boots varied all over the place, even when the list of start-up processes was identical. This was a 4-core machine, so I wasn't all that surprised. So having something major like a video card not going through configuration because there is no monitor to query sounds like it would affect the work load which in turn could affect the start-up sequence. And my evidence is that a start-up process that attempts to write /dev/console before it is writable blows away most of the following boot services. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
Hello Robbie, If you plan to dive into this quagmire now you should have a look at bug 543506 as well (if you haven't already). It was marked a duplicate of this one. In 543506, Mike Bianchi posted some lines from his logs (May 26 email): May 26 09:37:42 autoaud-broad1 init: Failed to spawn rc-sysinit main process: unable to open console: Input/output error May 26 09:37:42 autoaud-broad1 init: rc-sysinit goal changed from start to stop May 26 09:37:42 autoaud-broad1 init: rc-sysinit state changed from spawned to stopping I think the 'unable to open console' message points to the core of all this. Why would /dev/console not be available? Wout On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 05:24, Robbie Williamson robbie.william...@canonical.com wrote: To summarize the 190+ comments on this bug: 1) There is definitely a problem that needs fixing...no arguing this. 2) It has *something* to do with when lo0 is activated, i.e. a race condition 3) There are apparently a few hacky workarounds, but no fix 4) There is no concrete evidence that this is a kernel issue 5) There is no concrete evidence that this is an upstart issue This bug is officially on the radar, so we will figure out what's causing the issue and address it in an SRU, but it's too late for 10.04.1. ** Package changed: linux (Ubuntu) = ubuntu ** Changed in: ubuntu Importance: Critical = High -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of a duplicate bug. Status in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in The Lucid Lynx: Confirmed Bug description: Binary package hint: cups Cups is not loading on my machine at boot, must run sudo /etc/init.d/cups start to after booting to print. ProblemType: Bug DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04 Package: cups 1.4.2-10 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-19.28-generic 2.6.32.10+drm33.1 Uname: Linux 2.6.32-19-generic i686 NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia Architecture: i386 Date: Fri Apr 2 13:07:35 2010 InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid Lynx - Alpha i386 (20100401) Lpstat: Error: command ['lpstat', '-v'] failed with exit code 1: lpstat: Connection refused MachineType: Dell Inc. Studio XPS 1340 Papersize: letter PpdFiles: Brother-HL-2170W-series: Brother HL-2170W Foomatic/pxlmono (recommended) ProcCmdLine: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-19-generic root=UUID=615bbe85-506a-4152-af5a-a5c2da303d83 ro quiet splash ProcEnviron: LANG=en_US.utf8 SHELL=/bin/bash SourcePackage: cups dmi.bios.date: 09/08/2009 dmi.bios.vendor: Dell Inc. dmi.bios.version: A11 dmi.board.name: 0Y279R dmi.board.vendor: Dell Inc. dmi.board.version: A11 dmi.chassis.asset.tag: 1234567890 dmi.chassis.type: 8 dmi.chassis.vendor: Dell Inc. dmi.chassis.version: A11 dmi.modalias: dmi:bvnDellInc.:bvrA11:bd09/08/2009:svnDellInc.:pnStudioXPS1340:pvrA11:rvnDellInc.:rn0Y279R:rvrA11:cvnDellInc.:ct8:cvrA11: dmi.product.name: Studio XPS 1340 dmi.product.version: A11 dmi.sys.vendor: Dell Inc. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/554172/+subscribe -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
On Mon, Aug 02, 2010 at 03:24:28AM -, Robbie Williamson wrote: : 2) It has *something* to do with when lo0 is activated, i.e. a race condition I disagree, it has something to do with not being able to write /dev/console. See my analysis in bugs 581291 and 543506. 3) There are apparently a few hacky workarounds, but no fix They _are_ hacky, _BUT_ they give some of us reliable boots. They should be distributed until a fix is found. 4) There is no concrete evidence that this is a kernel issue 5) There is no concrete evidence that this is an upstart issue I disagree. There is strong, but inconclusive, evidence that it is EITHER a kernel or upstart issue (maybe both). Again see 543506. This bug is officially on the radar, so we will figure out what's causing the issue and address it in an SRU, but it's too late for 10.04.1. I do not see why the hacky workarounds can not be part of the official distribution until the real fixes are implemented. I strongly recommend distributing the workarounds, including the init='/bin/sbin --verbose' I had some evidence that it _helped_ improve boot reliability. It certainly helped with boot sequence visibility. I would think you would want to increase the population of reliable boots. The evidence is that over the past months newer 10.4 updates have been reducing that population. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
Workarounds are hocus pocus and should not be distributed. They do not work in all cases, so are at best an indicator of where to look for a developer. Shouting even when frustrated does not solve problems faster. I will wait patiently for a fix that works reliably, or use something else for the interim. On Mon, Aug 02, 2010 at 03:24:28AM -, Robbie Williamson wrote: : 2) It has *something* to do with when lo0 is activated, i.e. a race condition I disagree, it has something to do with not being able to write /dev/console. See my analysis in bugs 581291 and 543506. 3) There are apparently a few hacky workarounds, but no fix They _are_ hacky, _BUT_ they give some of us reliable boots. They should be distributed until a fix is found. 4) There is no concrete evidence that this is a kernel issue 5) There is no concrete evidence that this is an upstart issue I disagree. There is strong, but inconclusive, evidence that it is EITHER a kernel or upstart issue (maybe both). Again see 543506. This bug is officially on the radar, so we will figure out what's causing the issue and address it in an SRU, but it's too late for 10.04.1. I do not see why the hacky workarounds can not be part of the official distribution until the real fixes are implemented. I strongly recommend distributing the workarounds, including the init='/bin/sbin --verbose' I had some evidence that it _helped_ improve boot reliability. It certainly helped with boot sequence visibility. I would think you would want to increase the population of reliable boots. The evidence is that over the past months newer 10.4 updates have been reducing that population. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of a duplicate bug. Status in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in The Lucid Lynx: Confirmed Bug description: Binary package hint: cups Cups is not loading on my machine at boot, must run sudo /etc/init.d/cups start to after booting to print. ProblemType: Bug DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04 Package: cups 1.4.2-10 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-19.28-generic 2.6.32.10+drm33.1 Uname: Linux 2.6.32-19-generic i686 NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia Architecture: i386 Date: Fri Apr 2 13:07:35 2010 InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid Lynx - Alpha i386 (20100401) Lpstat: Error: command ['lpstat', '-v'] failed with exit code 1: lpstat: Connection refused MachineType: Dell Inc. Studio XPS 1340 Papersize: letter PpdFiles: Brother-HL-2170W-series: Brother HL-2170W Foomatic/pxlmono (recommended) ProcCmdLine: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-19-generic root=UUID=615bbe85-506a-4152-af5a-a5c2da303d83 ro quiet splash ProcEnviron: LANG=en_US.utf8 SHELL=/bin/bash SourcePackage: cups dmi.bios.date: 09/08/2009 dmi.bios.vendor: Dell Inc. dmi.bios.version: A11 dmi.board.name: 0Y279R dmi.board.vendor: Dell Inc. dmi.board.version: A11 dmi.chassis.asset.tag: 1234567890 dmi.chassis.type: 8 dmi.chassis.vendor: Dell Inc. dmi.chassis.version: A11 dmi.modalias: dmi:bvnDellInc.:bvrA11:bd09/08/2009:svnDellInc.:pnStudioXPS1340:pvrA11:rvnDellInc.:rn0Y279R:rvrA11:cvnDellInc.:ct8:cvrA11: dmi.product.name: Studio XPS 1340 dmi.product.version: A11 dmi.sys.vendor: Dell Inc. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/554172/+subscribe -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
On Mon, Aug 02, 2010 at 12:16:08PM -, Phil Went wrote: Workarounds are hocus pocus and should not be distributed. They do not work in all cases, so are at best an indicator of where to look for a developer. Shouting even when frustrated does not solve problems faster. I will wait patiently for a fix that works reliably, or use something else for the interim. Allow me to disagree. For those of us able to implement the workarounds, once we discover them for ourselves or in the bug reports, waiting is an acceptable choice. But, for the many others out there who don't even know there is a problem and just discover that CUPS, /etc/getty, or whatever are suddenly not working, for no apparent reason, it becomes frustration without explanation. So I stick by my recommendations -- distribute these workarounds from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/543506/comments/81 add init='/sbin/init --verbose' to the linux boot line in grub comment out the console output lines in /etc/init/*.conf add and started rsyslog to /etc/init/rc-sysinit To my mind, that last one is not a workaround. It is a crucial dependency. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
I forgot about the /dev/console bit, thanks for the reminder. I did recall an issue where /dev/console was being created, but not writable at creation, which I believe would be a kernel bug. I will talk to our plumbing and kernel developers this week to try and find the problem and a proper fix to it. As for why we don't practice releasing workarounds as fixes, I'm sorry if you disagree with the policy, but I feel it's a good one to have and don't want to waste bug comment space defending it. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
On Mon, Aug 02, 2010 at 03:58:54PM -, Robbie Williamson wrote: I'm sorry if you disagree with the policy, but I feel it's a good one to have and don't want to waste bug comment space defending it. I made my argument and have been heard. My argument did not convince. That's the way it is sometimes. Onward. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
I'll place this comment here with great trepidation. I've had this problem for some time and I've been starting cups manually. I do not have the skill to do the work arounds that have been suggested. My initial approach was to try the old uninstall reinstall using synaptic on my kubuntu 64bit installation. But to no avail. Cups would just not load at start up. Eventually I reinstalled from the console using $ sudo apt-get install --reinstall cups (a solution I found on http://hardc0l2e.wordpress.com/2010/05/21/cups- not-running-on-boot-ubuntu-10-04/) and for some reason it worked. It has been two days and I have done 10 cold restarts and cups has loaded each time. I can't explain it, it just worked. I do not place this here as a solution but just to say that for some basic users such as myself this has worked and it may be worth looking at why. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
Ubuntu 10.04 32 bit with the latest kernel. Brian Burch's circumvention in post 190 works for me. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu Lucid) Importance: Undecided = High ** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu Lucid) Status: New = Confirmed ** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu Lucid) Assignee: (unassigned) = Canonical Foundations Team (canonical-foundations) -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu Lucid) Importance: High = Medium ** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu Lucid) Importance: Medium = High -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
To summarize the 190+ comments on this bug: 1) There is definitely a problem that needs fixing...no arguing this. 2) It has *something* to do with when lo0 is activated, i.e. a race condition 3) There are apparently a few hacky workarounds, but no fix 4) There is no concrete evidence that this is a kernel issue 5) There is no concrete evidence that this is an upstart issue This bug is officially on the radar, so we will figure out what's causing the issue and address it in an SRU, but it's too late for 10.04.1. ** Package changed: linux (Ubuntu) = ubuntu ** Changed in: ubuntu Importance: Critical = High -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
Same problem here with this Kernel. This problem shows up more frequently on the faster systems here too. All the fast systems we setup exhibit this problem intermittently see my post #158 above for typical specs -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
Robbie Williamson - I can confirm occasional problems entering runlevel 2 with the 2.6.32-24 kernel. $ uname -a Linux aa39.uk.fabit.net 2.6.32-24-generic-pae #38-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jul 5 10:54:21 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux $ runlevel unknown This is on a Pentium 3 server with 1.2GB of RAM. The files in /etc/init/ do not have console output commented out, and ureadahead has not been removed. Those are the two usual things I use to provide a fix to this problem. In this configuration the server fails to boot about 50% of the time. I have attached the dmesg, output of 'ps auxwwf', meminfo, cpuinfo and contents of /etc/init/. I hope this helps you find the problem. Let me know if you need to test anything else. ** Attachment added: uname, runlevel, dmesg, output of 'ps auxwwf', meminfo, cpuinfo and contents of /etc/init/ for failed boot http://launchpadlibrarian.net/52735214/all -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
I have the latest kernel: Linux version 2.6.32-24-generic (bui...@yellow) (gcc version 4.4.3 (Ubuntu 4.4.3-4ubuntu5) ) #38-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jul 5 09:20:59 UTC 2010 This version worsened the bug. Before cups randomly refused to start, but now it never starts at boot time. Further symptoms that apply to the same behaviour (these symptoms only now and then occurred in the previous kernel, and now always): - sound system is not working either - Trying to reboot from Gnome does not work: the login screen is displayed. Rebooting with sudo reboot works fine. I have a SSD installed, and I suspect that that might be part of the problem (the fast boot time). -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
I've done 20 installs if 10.04, mostly upgrades from 9.10, all 32 bit. Initially only 2 machines were problem machines. My computer at home and my co-workers computer at the office. None of the others had this issue for months. The upgrades were done shortly after 10.04 was released. On the two problem machines, about a week and a half ago, I did things listed here in the link in Post 165: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9480172postcount=20 So far those machines have performed perfectly. But, I am now finding this happening to machines which had not had the issue. My main machine at the office, and my backup machine at the office last week, and last night my brother had it happen on his machine. He had not had any issues since I upgraded him in early May. Each time I run into this instance, I am now applying the work around above. It looks like many computers are going to be facing this issue even if they seemed fine for a period of time. It doesn't matter with respect to whether or not the computer is a newer, high spec machine, or an older low spec machine. It really looks like I had best install the workaround in post 165 as soon as I do any new installs (I have one I will be doing soon) just so people don't have this issue, and I don't have problems to fix for people. Menno in post 172 above said replacing kernel version 2.6.32-23 by version 2.6.32-24 seemed to solve the issue for him. That kernel came in my updates last night, so this issue happened to the three other computer before the updated kernel. I don't know if that makes a difference or not. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
** Also affects: linux (Ubuntu Lucid) Importance: Undecided Status: New -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
Before diving into this comment quagmire, I'd like to know if anyone experiencing this bug, also has the latest SRU kernel (2.6.32-24.38) installed. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
I had this problem on one of my systems after upgrading to lucid - about 50% of boots left cups not running and nothing meaningful in the logs. It would always start manually. I have several other lucid systems that never encounter this problem. I applied the circumvention from my own bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ifupdown/+bug/604283 (adding lo:0 to /etc/network/interfaces as described) and since then, the cups has started on the system 5 out 5 boots. If anyone has this problem, please try the same circumvention and update both bug reports with your observations. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
RE: Mike Bianchi Yes, I tried ALL of the instructions suggested: commenting out 'console output' in /etc/init/*.conf files, adding the rsyslog config line to /etc/init/rc-sysinit.conf, and adding the init='/sbin/init --verbose' line to the grub config. This didn't solve my problem: I still have services that don't start on reboot, including nginx and a couple fastcgi init scripts. An interesting, possibly related, thing that I've noticed is when I issue 'shutdown -r now', sometimes the machine doesn't reboot. I've had to issue the command again to get the machine to actually reboot. I'll add my 2 cents that this issue is quite dire (what organization wants a server that doesn't reliably start services on boot?), and hope that Canonical is working on a fix. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 03:18:10PM -, phireph0x wrote: RE: Mike Bianchi Yes, I tried ALL of the instructions suggested: ... I still have services that don't start on reboot, Thanks for all your efforts. Do you get runlevel unknown or N 2 when your services do not start? If they do not start _but_ you have runlevel N 2 then I'd go looking in /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages for hints as to why? -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
Ubuntu 10.04 32 bit. I have two USB printers. If both printers are off at boot time CUPS does not start and turning on a printer fails to start it. If a printer is on at boot time then CUPS starts and both printers are available (even though one of them may be turned off). This was not a problem on 9.04 and I suspect that it wasn't initially a problem on 10.04 so one of the updates may have broken something. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
I never had an issue with there being any difference whether the printers were on or not on boot. On 1 computer cups would not be started 80% of the time. On another about 30% of the time. The workaround in: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9480172postcount=20 has worked flawlessly for me with no issues of cups not starting since I did them. I did all of the itmes listed there. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
I found today that a third computer that I upgraded from 9.10 to 10.04 is also having this same issue. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
I don't think that any workarounds could really fix this - the workarounds just modify timing or reduce impact. I think the problem is really much more lowlevel - device nodes that are not ready, or events emitted by upstart in wrong order or wrong timing. I don't want to be mean, but I'd suggest to move such repeating discussions to the support forum (or stay there), this is a bug tracker. Add yourself to CC to express your urge for a fix but move did you try this and that to a forum and report back if a work-around really fixes a problem reproducibly for multiple people. Especially since the backref is actually a forum link! -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
My understanding of the problem is that /dev/console exists but isn't writable. Also, it appears it becomes writable after a little while. Would waiting for /dev/console to become writable be a possible workaround? For example by adding something like this to the relevant /etc/init/* scripts: pre-start script while ! /bin/dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/console 2/dev/null do sleep 1 done end script If that works it may even be possible to restore the 'console output' lines (though this depends on whether they take effect after pre-start is executed). Note that this will hang if /dev/console does not become writable!! Another way to accomplish the above would be to create a /etc/init/console-ready job with the above pre-start section. Jobs that require /dev/console to be writable could then be made dependent on console-ready. I'd try the above myself but I've moved to Debian after too many issues with Ubuntu 10.04. Sad as generally I really like Ubuntu. Wout On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 22:26, Mike Bianchi 554...@bugs.launchpad.netwrote: On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 08:04:03PM -, phireph0x wrote: The workaround described in http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9480172postcount=20 doesn't work for me. I still have services that don't start on system reboot. See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/543506/comments/99 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/543506/comments/81 Did you follow those instructions? -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of a duplicate bug. Status in “linux” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Bug description: Binary package hint: cups Cups is not loading on my machine at boot, must run sudo /etc/init.d/cups start to after booting to print. ProblemType: Bug DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04 Package: cups 1.4.2-10 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-19.28-generic 2.6.32.10+drm33.1 Uname: Linux 2.6.32-19-generic i686 NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia Architecture: i386 Date: Fri Apr 2 13:07:35 2010 InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid Lynx - Alpha i386 (20100401) Lpstat: Error: command ['lpstat', '-v'] failed with exit code 1: lpstat: Connection refused MachineType: Dell Inc. Studio XPS 1340 Papersize: letter PpdFiles: Brother-HL-2170W-series: Brother HL-2170W Foomatic/pxlmono (recommended) ProcCmdLine: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-19-generic root=UUID=615bbe85-506a-4152-af5a-a5c2da303d83 ro quiet splash ProcEnviron: LANG=en_US.utf8 SHELL=/bin/bash SourcePackage: cups dmi.bios.date: 09/08/2009 dmi.bios.vendor: Dell Inc. dmi.bios.version: A11 dmi.board.name: 0Y279R dmi.board.vendor: Dell Inc. dmi.board.version: A11 dmi.chassis.asset.tag: 1234567890 dmi.chassis.type: 8 dmi.chassis.vendor: Dell Inc. dmi.chassis.version: A11 dmi.modalias: dmi:bvnDellInc.:bvrA11:bd09/08/2009:svnDellInc.:pnStudioXPS1340:pvrA11:rvnDellInc.:rn0Y279R:rvrA11:cvnDellInc.:ct8:cvrA11: dmi.product.name: Studio XPS 1340 dmi.product.version: A11 dmi.sys.vendor: Dell Inc. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/554172/+subscribe -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
Ok installed 10.04 Server AMD64 fresh on a brand new Dell 2950 dual 6-core AMD Opteron box with 16GB of ram. Report:. Sometimes on boot i get a hang right after this message. init: ureadahead-other main process terminated with status 4 Sometimes the server will boot up fully to the console login but some services have not started such as libvirtd. Sometimes when this happens the runlevel command shows (unknown) At other times it shows N 2 Not sure what is going on but this problem has put a halt on all 10.04 server deployments on this side. We cannot deploy servers in this state. An OS with critical services that refuse to start at least 99% of the time is fundamentally not ready for deployment in production. Especially virtual machines and such.I have seen this problem now on many many machines workstations and servers. Some of which I have reported on here. usually the faster ones if that helps. I hope this gets done as we are a die hard Ubuntu shop and now are feeling pressured to start evaluating Debian for our customers needs. I hope Mark Shuttleworth is aware of this issue because it is becoming very critical out here in the trenches. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
The workaround described in http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9480172postcount=20 doesn't work for me. I still have services that don't start on system reboot. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 08:04:03PM -, phireph0x wrote: The workaround described in http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9480172postcount=20 doesn't work for me. I still have services that don't start on system reboot. See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/543506/comments/99 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/543506/comments/81 Did you follow those instructions? -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
I applied the first two items of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/543506/comments/83 and that seems to have helped. This seems like a well understood problem, why is it not well fixed? -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
I did things listed here in the link in Post 165: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9480172postcount=20 My co-workers computer which would only load the printers at best 50% of the time has loaded has loaded them every time in 15 boots. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
First, for Till and Post 170, thank you so much for your clarification. With that help I have done all of the items suggested by Sepero in post 165 above at this link: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9480172postcount=20 on the machine that has given me the most problems. I've done 3 reboots and 1 cold boot so far and everything has worked fine. I'll do the second machine tonight and keep you updated on how both are doing. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
On 07/16/2010 04:34 PM, Don Myers wrote: I'll do the second machine tonight and keep you updated on how both are doing. Please don't. This is a bug report and not a personal support forum. I have no idea how you Ubuntu users expect developers to sift through bug reports when you constantly spam them with repetition and confirmation of workarounds... -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
I had no idea I was spamming this board. I'm sorry. The computer I put this work around on is a co-worker's computer who has been frustrated enough to tell me to put Windows back on his machine at least 3 times and forget Ubuntu and Linux. For 2 1/2 months now I've convinced him to hang in there. He is not overly computer savvy, and gets frustrated easily when things don't work. I was trying to keep a Ubuntu user and not loose him, and I was following the instructions in post 165 to see if this would work. I am sorry this was considered spamming. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
I have had another instance of the titleless message box with the text: Another instance of Camera Monitor is already running! runlevel reports: N 2 Is there any way to tell if this bug, when it doesn't cause daemons to fail to start, attempts to start them more than once? -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
Don Myers, enter each of the shown lines completely, one after the other, into a terminal window and press Enter after each line. First enter: sudo su - You will get asked for your password, after entering it correctly you will get a root prompt, which means that all subsequent commands in this terminal will get executed as root. Then enter the next line completely (copy and paste it into the terminal): for file in /etc/init/*.conf; do sed -i 's/^console output/\#console output/' $file; done This line executes the sed command in a loop, applying it to each .conf file in the /etc/init/ directory. After that, enter exit to get out of the root console back into normal mode. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
Some behaviors I'm seeing on my system that might be related to this problem: Occasionally I get a message box saying Camera Monitor is already running. Camera Monitor is only started via Startup Applications Preferences and should only start once. When this happens, cupsd is running, and runlevel is N 2 (though I have only tested todays boot since I did not know about the runlevel command before today). I have also had mythbackend fail to start. Now that I know about the runlevel command, I will watch the runlevel and see if there are correlations to Camera Monitor is already running. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
It looks like the problem in my case has disappeared after replacing kernel version 2.6.32-23 by version 2.6.32-24. I am not absolutely sure, it could be a coincidence and it could also be caused by some other system modification or software upgrade - my usual procedure is to install updates immediately - but since that moment, I haven't experienced the problem any more. (I have made it a habit to execute runlevel and ps ax|grep cups after every boot.) If it is sort of race condition that is causing the problem, any change could slightly modify the timings and so make the problem disappear. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
If this bug is related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/consolekit/+bug/544139 you should have a message like: WARNING: Error waiting for native console 5 activation: Invalid argument in your daemon.log. Could somebody please check? -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
everytime when I found that runlevel returned unknown, some services must have not started at booting. But if I delete the file of /var/run/utmp and reboot, runlevel will return 'N 2'. It means all services have started as usually. As far as I know, the runlevel command is an indicator of this sort of situation -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
In response to Sepero, message 165 above, could you please clarify the instructions in the second link in your post. When I run sudo su -, it puts me in root. In the next step, I'm assuming the words done exit are not to be included in what I enter into the terminal. When I run: sed -i 's/^console output/\#console output/' $file; I get: sed: no input files Obviously I'm doing something wrong. If you would be kind enough to put exacly what needs to be entered into the terminal I will see if this works. Thank you. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
Upgrading to Ubuntu 10.04 and trying to get printing to work must be really frustrating for new Ubuntu users. I had to deal with 2 bugs: First was bug #595650 (error message: Printer 'hp-LaserJet3030' may not be connected) related to package libusb. The fix listed worked for me. Second was bug #554172 discussed here. Sometimes (but not always) after booting up the printer does not show up in System Administration Printing and I am unable to print. Starting CUPS manually by typing sudo service cups start in terminal solved the problem. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
A Possible Solution This bug seems very related to this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/consolekit/+bug/544139 This solution here is what worked for me and a few others. If it works for you, please help spread it to others. http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9480172postcount=20 -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
** Package changed: upstart (Ubuntu) = linux (Ubuntu) -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
I'm running 10.04. This problem only started in the last two weeks with me. I noticed one 'update' recently included 'cups' since then its been a problem. Apparently the 'CUPS service is stopped' and has to started via terminal. Initial a 'restart' would get it working but now it never seems to start on boot. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
I have tried booting my Pentium 3 server (see comment 151 and 157 above) with both a generic and generic-pae, and both have problems entering run level 2. Closer inspection of the kernel messages shows that ureadahead, plymouthd and init were being killed during boot by the kernel's out-of- memory killer. I disabled ureadahead by deleting /etc/init/ureadahead.conf and /etc/init/ureadahead-other.conf, and the server has rebooted several times without problems. The problem of ureadahead being out-of-memory could be related to bug #590963: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ureadahead/+bug/590963 I suspect that the init process being killed by the oom-killer is why this server is not entering run level 2. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
The cups update didn't change anything relative to this problem for me with the printers not being available after a startup. The machines that have had the problem continue to have the problem. The ones that don't have the issue haven't had a problem yet. But one thing I have noticed as compared to Ubuntu 8.10, 9.04, and 9.10, is that 10.04 occasionally, when you are printing a document, the printers show that they are available, but when you click to print a document, sometimes it will take 15 to 20 seconds before it will print. It says it is searching for the printer even though cups appears to be started and the printers are displayed. This happens on both the machines where cups fails to start at times, and on machines where cups always starts. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
Hi, I did a clean install on a new computer about 3 weeks ago. It had never had an issue of the printers not being loaded. I booted this morning, and about 15 minutes ago went to print for the first time today, and no printers. Doing the 'sudo start rc-sysinit' and the 'ps aux' commands per response 104 here yielded the following information: USER PID %CPU %MEMVSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND root 1 0.0 0.0 2796 1632 ?Ss 09:31 0:00 /sbin/init root 2 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [kthreadd] root 3 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [migration/0] root 4 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [ksoftirqd/0] root 5 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [watchdog/0] root 6 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [migration/1] root 7 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [ksoftirqd/1] root 8 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [watchdog/1] root 9 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [migration/2] root10 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [ksoftirqd/2] root11 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [watchdog/2] root12 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [migration/3] root13 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [ksoftirqd/3] root14 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [watchdog/3] root15 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [events/0] root16 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [events/1] root17 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [events/2] root18 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [events/3] root19 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [cpuset] root20 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [khelper] root21 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [netns] root22 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [async/mgr] root23 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [pm] root25 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [sync_supers] root26 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [bdi-default] root27 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [kintegrityd/0] root28 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [kintegrityd/1] root29 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [kintegrityd/2] root30 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [kintegrityd/3] root31 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [kblockd/0] root32 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [kblockd/1] root33 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [kblockd/2] root34 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [kblockd/3] root35 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [kacpid] root36 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [kacpi_notify] root37 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [kacpi_hotplug] root38 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [ata/0] root39 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [ata/1] root40 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [ata/2] root41 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [ata/3] root42 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [ata_aux] root43 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [ksuspend_usbd] root44 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [khubd] root45 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [kseriod] root46 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [kmmcd] root51 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [khungtaskd] root52 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [kswapd0] root53 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?SN 09:31 0:00 [ksmd] root54 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [aio/0] root55 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [aio/1] root56 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [aio/2] root57 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [aio/3] root58 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [ecryptfs-kthr] root59 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [crypto/0] root60 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [crypto/1] root61 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [crypto/2] root62 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [crypto/3] root66 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [kstriped] root67 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31 0:00 [kmpathd/0] root68 0.0 0.0 0 0 ?S09:31
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
In reply to comment #104 - I just couldn't start a VirtualBox virtual machine so I did start rc-sysinit. ps aux showed me the following processes: VirtualBox, CouchDB, CUPS, Apache2 and ondemand which hadn't been initialized before. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
Hi Graham, A fast boot time is not critical for me ( I think that we are only talking of seconds, anyway). In any case, my current boot process with 10.04 involves using several steps in the fail-safe mode, so it is not only slow, but requires my interaction several times. However, I am not an expert, so any changes need to be provided to me in easy-to-follow steps. And, I am somewhat wary, after I tried to implement a change to my Mythbuntu PC that someone suggested, got into an awful mess (the boot failed miserably, but then I could not get the file up to edit it back the way it was, as the fsck system wanted to check the HDD, but failed; it was all just stuck in a horrible loop). Garry. On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 23:01 +, Graham T wrote: That doesn't sound like the exact same issue. Well over 500 restarts here and absolute consistency found, in that either I get runlevel N 2 and all services started fine or I get runlevel unknown and services not started (in my case proftpd and cupsd). No doubt they are similar and most likely caused by race conditions being created in the way upstart handles starting up services. Anyone else happily go back to a slower bootup time if it gave them some control over what order services started up? :D On 30/06/10 21:08, phireph0x wrote: As I mentioned in #543506, I'm also seeing this issue on Ubuntu Server 10.04. I've tried some of the workarounds mentioned in this thread (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/543506/comments/83), including commenting out console output in all /etc/init/*.conf files. This had no effect, and services such as lighttpd aren't automatically starting that should be. When I run 'runlevel', the output is N 2, but again, my services still aren't being started properly. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
So /dev/console exists but isn't immediately ready for work. It appears it becomes fully functional later (otherwise it would not be possible to start the failing services manually). Can we figure out at what point /dev/console becomes functional? In the meantime two workarounds seem doable, both assuming /dev/console doesn't depend on anything started during boot: 1. A boot script that doesn't complete until /dev/console works, make rc/rc-sysinit boot sequence depend on it. 2. A patch in upstart that waits until /dev/console works. Any thoughts? Wout On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 18:43, Scott James Remnant sc...@canonical.comwrote: My understanding of this bug is that System V services fail to start because the rc-sysinit or rc jobs fail because /dev/console cannot be opened. A workaround appears to be to comment out console output from those jobs. I also understand that in all cases, /dev/console actually exists -- it's a fundamental node that always exists in the devtmpfs filesystem, and is created by the initramfs for a tmpfs-on-/dev filesystem. In the case where neither of these is used, the node must exist on the root filesystem and is created as part of the installer process. And since it exists, but returns an error when it's being opened, this strongly implies some kind of kernel bug. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of a duplicate bug. Status in “upstart” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Bug description: Binary package hint: cups Cups is not loading on my machine at boot, must run sudo /etc/init.d/cups start to after booting to print. ProblemType: Bug DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04 Package: cups 1.4.2-10 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-19.28-generic 2.6.32.10+drm33.1 Uname: Linux 2.6.32-19-generic i686 NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia Architecture: i386 Date: Fri Apr 2 13:07:35 2010 InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid Lynx - Alpha i386 (20100401) Lpstat: Error: command ['lpstat', '-v'] failed with exit code 1: lpstat: Connection refused MachineType: Dell Inc. Studio XPS 1340 Papersize: letter PpdFiles: Brother-HL-2170W-series: Brother HL-2170W Foomatic/pxlmono (recommended) ProcCmdLine: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-19-generic root=UUID=615bbe85-506a-4152-af5a-a5c2da303d83 ro quiet splash ProcEnviron: LANG=en_US.utf8 SHELL=/bin/bash SourcePackage: cups dmi.bios.date: 09/08/2009 dmi.bios.vendor: Dell Inc. dmi.bios.version: A11 dmi.board.name: 0Y279R dmi.board.vendor: Dell Inc. dmi.board.version: A11 dmi.chassis.asset.tag: 1234567890 dmi.chassis.type: 8 dmi.chassis.vendor: Dell Inc. dmi.chassis.version: A11 dmi.modalias: dmi:bvnDellInc.:bvrA11:bd09/08/2009:svnDellInc.:pnStudioXPS1340:pvrA11:rvnDellInc.:rn0Y279R:rvrA11:cvnDellInc.:ct8:cvrA11: dmi.product.name: Studio XPS 1340 dmi.product.version: A11 dmi.sys.vendor: Dell Inc. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/554172/+subscribe -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
On 07/01/2010 10:18 AM, Wout wrote: So /dev/console exists but isn't immediately ready for work. It appears it becomes fully functional later (otherwise it would not be possible to start the failing services manually). Can we figure out at what point /dev/console becomes functional? In the meantime two workarounds seem doable, both assuming /dev/console doesn't depend on anything started during boot: 1. A boot script that doesn't complete until /dev/console works, make rc/rc-sysinit boot sequence depend on it. 2. A patch in upstart that waits until /dev/console works. Any thoughts? I think if Scott's analysis is correct then the correct solution would be to have the kernel buffer anything received on /dev/console until it's ready to display it. Anyone for reassigning this bug to the kernel? Regards, Michael -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 11:09, Michael Goetze mgoe...@mgoetze.net wrote: On 07/01/2010 10:18 AM, Wout wrote: So /dev/console exists but isn't immediately ready for work. It appears it becomes fully functional later (otherwise it would not be possible to start the failing services manually). Can we figure out at what point /dev/console becomes functional? In the meantime two workarounds seem doable, both assuming /dev/console doesn't depend on anything started during boot: 1. A boot script that doesn't complete until /dev/console works, make rc/rc-sysinit boot sequence depend on it. 2. A patch in upstart that waits until /dev/console works. Any thoughts? I think if Scott's analysis is correct then the correct solution would be to have the kernel buffer anything received on /dev/console until it's ready to display it. That's why I wrote workaround not solution. Anyone for reassigning this bug to the kernel? Regards, Michael -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of a duplicate bug. Status in “upstart” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Bug description: Binary package hint: cups Cups is not loading on my machine at boot, must run sudo /etc/init.d/cups start to after booting to print. ProblemType: Bug DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.04 Package: cups 1.4.2-10 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-19.28-generic 2.6.32.10+drm33.1 Uname: Linux 2.6.32-19-generic i686 NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia Architecture: i386 Date: Fri Apr 2 13:07:35 2010 InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid Lynx - Alpha i386 (20100401) Lpstat: Error: command ['lpstat', '-v'] failed with exit code 1: lpstat: Connection refused MachineType: Dell Inc. Studio XPS 1340 Papersize: letter PpdFiles: Brother-HL-2170W-series: Brother HL-2170W Foomatic/pxlmono (recommended) ProcCmdLine: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-19-generic root=UUID=615bbe85-506a-4152-af5a-a5c2da303d83 ro quiet splash ProcEnviron: LANG=en_US.utf8 SHELL=/bin/bash SourcePackage: cups dmi.bios.date: 09/08/2009 dmi.bios.vendor: Dell Inc. dmi.bios.version: A11 dmi.board.name: 0Y279R dmi.board.vendor: Dell Inc. dmi.board.version: A11 dmi.chassis.asset.tag: 1234567890 dmi.chassis.type: 8 dmi.chassis.vendor: Dell Inc. dmi.chassis.version: A11 dmi.modalias: dmi:bvnDellInc.:bvrA11:bd09/08/2009:svnDellInc.:pnStudioXPS1340:pvrA11:rvnDellInc.:rn0Y279R:rvrA11:cvnDellInc.:ct8:cvrA11: dmi.product.name: Studio XPS 1340 dmi.product.version: A11 dmi.sys.vendor: Dell Inc. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/554172/+subscribe -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: OK [Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
On Thu, Jul 01, 2010 at 04:42:53AM -, Andy wrote: This is a serious problem. At this point 10.04 is not production worthy. ... I agree. But the evidence is that Canonical is just not paying any attention to this line of bugs OR somehow does not think they _are_ serious. I have a service contract with Canonical and have had a Support Case open with them about this issue since 24 May. On 21 June they said: ... we will follow up with Scott regarding the bug #543506 for you. We will also present him with your comment #83 from the bug and have his opinion on that. If he agreed with the workaround and can find out the root cause for these issue, that will be great, it means we might be able to resolved this issue. If he disagreed with the workaround or needs more information, we will let you know as well. What do we do now to get their attention? Start a picket line on the Isle of Man? Write to the magazines? Does anyone have Mark Shuttleworth's phone number? -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
I agree also. Most of you are much better than I when you are getting deep into the working of an operating system. I have not tried the comment 83 fix for fear of breaking something and creating a royal mess. I was new to Ubuntu and Linux in February 2009. Since then I've installed Ubuntu on 20 machines. I started with 8.10, and then progressed through 9.04, 9.10, and now 10.04. I've converted about 10 people to Ubuntu from Windows. Everything was fine until 10.04. I originally thought that each version would be building on and improving the previous release. That held true until 10.04. I filed the initial bug about color printers printing with a cream colored background instead of white. To see the garbled word Ubuntu on systems which were upgraded and long periods of a black screen make it seem like it was released before it was ready, just like Vista. My experience with Vista is one of the reasons I'm running Ubuntu. To have seen the repository builds of OpenOffice not having a functioning spell checker was a disgrace. To have some systems through all releases not being able to come out of hibernation without powering down and rebooting and that issue never being fixed. But how do I explain to those whom I converted to Ubuntu that a major issue like their printers not working isn't fixed for over 2 months after the version was released. And this is an LTS?? The spell checker was fixed. Within a week there was a work around for the cream colored background, and in about 3 weeks a fix was put out in the updates. The spell checker now works in OpenOffice. A clean install is the only thing which gives a somewhat decent view of the boot process during boot. It seems quite ridiculous though that this printing issue isn't fixed. I have two machines affected by this. The strange thing is some of my machines have never had the issue. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
I think the problem is that nobody really wants to take responsibility for that. I have another bug open which describes Xorg not starting because it cannot open the console (which is probably the same why cups does not start sometimes). I posted this bug against upstart, but it was rejected as probably being a bug with nvidia, and that's where's the bug stuck now. As far as I followed all these bug reports about services not starting etc, everything seems to come together around /dev/console and tty devices which cannot be opened, or the loopback devices initialized by the wrong service. So to me it is either a kernel bug (unlikely) or an upstart bug (wrong deps or events fired to early or missing / timing issues). The biggest problem however is I have to find arguments for my customers why we didn't choose Windows which works much better (which I don't believe in in the long run, as it usually does not just work for a longer time with unexperienced users, having to invest in all those costs like regular maintenance, windows license, antivir license, bigger hardware). 2010/7/1 Don Myers donmy...@myersfarm.com But how do I explain to those whom I converted to Ubuntu that a major issue like their printers not working isn't fixed for over 2 months after the version was released. And this is an LTS?? -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
I had the problem after installing NVIDIA proprietary driver. Deinstalling this driver solved the problem. May be it is not a special cups problem: As already mentioned above virtual consoles did not work while NVIDIA proprietary driver was installed. This happend on a 64bit machine with installed 32bit linux. I had the problem with installed 64bit linux and NVIDIA proprietary driver too. I don't know if deinstalling NVIDIA proprietary driver could be a solution for this - I tried reinstalling linux with 32 bit. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
I don't think this is an NVIDIA bug though, I don't have NVIDIA drivers installed and I'm still affected. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
I've upgraded about 20 machines from Ubuntu 8.04 to 10.04 and have only seen this problem on one machine. That was on a old Pentium 3 machine running a linux-generic kernel on a 32-bit install. The other machines which do not show this problem were either running a 64-bit install or a linux-generic-pae kernel. The Nvidia drivers were not installed an any of them. So has anyone seen it on a machine which is not a 32-bit install running a generic (not generic-pae) kernel? -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: OK [Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
On Thu, Jul 01, 2010 at 07:26:47PM -, John Edwards wrote: So has anyone seen it on a machine which is not a 32-bit install running a generic (not generic-pae) kernel? In my case, I was running a quad-core AMD with a 64-bit Linux. For a while I thought it was a problem that showed up on fast machines. Then someone at our Linux group had it on an old 32-bit Pentium-4 laptop. I would stress that whether the machine boots to runlevel N 2 or unknown appears to be largely random. Several times I thought I had found a fix (several good boots in a row) and then I'd get burned again. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
For Mike Bianchi - what kernel was your 64-bit machine running? To find out run 'uname -a' and post the output. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
I found that I have the same problem yesterday. I do not need my printer as much but I think when I install Lucid (fresh install) printing worked. I was very surprised when there was no printer in my kmail printing dialog yesterday. I tried the workaround in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/543506/comments/83 and until now that seems to work. But I have to say that I have done only about 5 boots since yesterday. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
Occasionally Cups is not started after boot. As far as I have noticed, this always coincides with runlevel 'unknown'. The problem occurs randomly, as if the system is throwing a dice at each system start. System: AMD Athlon 64 X2 dual core 3800+, 2GB DDR2 memory A remark to my fellow reporters: It is not helpful at all to start blaming Canonical and its developers, to make comparisons with Vista, refer to other, unrelated problems, etc. Too bad a problem like this happens, but such is life. I've seen even worse problems with commercial software in a professional setting - a problem that did not occur in most systems, but persistently hit a large customer and proved very difficult to solve, in spite of serious efforts from the provider. Management perception: bad software, bad software company. Nonsense! By the way: a better bypass than making changes to system files is to start the missing service(s) manually - in particular for those who do not have a real understanding of what they're doing (and afterwards, don't remember what they did). -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: OK [Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
On Thu, Jul 01, 2010 at 08:06:52PM -, John Edwards wrote: For Mike Bianchi - what kernel was your 64-bit machine running? To find out run 'uname -a' and post the output. I don't have access to that machine now, but this from a syslog kept while debugging. You can see the Linux version and later the init=/sbin/init --verbose May 25 nn:nn:nn autoaud-broad1 kernel: imklog 4.2.0, log source = /proc/kmsg started. May 25 nn:nn:nn autoaud-broad1 rsyslogd: [origin software=rsyslogd swVersion=4.2.0 x-pid=989 x-info=http://www.rsyslog.com;] (re)start May 25 nn:nn:nn autoaud-broad1 rsyslogd: rsyslogd's groupid changed to 103 May 25 nn:nn:nn autoaud-broad1 rsyslogd: rsyslogd's userid changed to 101 May 25 nn:nn:nn autoaud-broad1 rsyslogd-2039: Could no open output file '/dev/xconsole' [try http://www.rsyslog.com/e/2039 ] May 25 nn:nn:nn autoaud-broad1 kernel: [ nn.nn] Initializing cgroup subsys cpuset May 25 nn:nn:nn autoaud-broad1 kernel: [ nn.nn] Initializing cgroup subsys cpu May 25 nn:nn:nn autoaud-broad1 kernel: [ nn.nn] Linux version 2.6.32-22-generic (bui...@yellow) (gcc version 4.4.3 (Ubuntu 4.4.3-4ubuntu5) ) #33-Ubuntu SMP Wed Apr 28 nn:nn:nn UTC 2010 (Ubuntu 2.6.32-22.33-generic 2.6.32.11+drm33.2) May 25 nn:nn:nn autoaud-broad1 kernel: [ nn.nn] Command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-22-generic root=UUID=c2e45336-da96-4d8e-bd38-3caa7bded803 ro init=/sbin/init --verbose May 25 nn:nn:nn autoaud-broad1 kernel: [ nn.nn] KERNEL supported cpus: May 25 nn:nn:nn autoaud-broad1 kernel: [ nn.nn] Intel GenuineIntel May 25 nn:nn:nn autoaud-broad1 kernel: [ nn.nn] AMD AuthenticAMD May 25 nn:nn:nn autoaud-broad1 kernel: [ nn.nn] Centaur Since we are looking at old syslogs, notice the Failed to spawn rc-sysinit line of this snippet ... May 26 09:37:42 autoaud-broad1 kernel: [0.901072] input: Power Button as /devices/LNXSYSTM:00/LNXPWRBN:00/input/input1 May 26 09:37:42 autoaud-broad1 kernel: [0.901105] ACPI: Power Button [PWRF] May 26 09:37:42 autoaud-broad1 init: Failed to spawn rc-sysinit main process: unable to open console: Input/output error May 26 09:37:42 autoaud-broad1 init: rc-sysinit goal changed from start to stop May 26 09:37:42 autoaud-broad1 init: rc-sysinit state changed from spawned to stopping May 26 09:37:42 autoaud-broad1 init: Handling stopping event May 26 09:37:42 autoaud-broad1 init: rc-sysinit state changed from stopping to killed May 26 09:37:42 autoaud-broad1 init: rc-sysinit state changed from killed to post-stop May 26 09:37:42 autoaud-broad1 init: rc-sysinit state changed from post-stop to waiting May 26 09:37:42 autoaud-broad1 init: Handling stopped event May 26 09:37:42 autoaud-broad1 init: Handling net-device-up/failed event May 26 09:37:42 autoaud-broad1 init: Handling started/failed event This is one of the things that leads me to believe that we are dealing with an upstart bug. Failure to open the console does not sound to me like a good reason to kill a /etc/init/*.conf script . -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
Menno, it's not just CUPS. The server I met this problem with does not even have CUPS installed. If runlevel 2 is not entered then it is *all* services that are started by rc scripts that fail. That is almost everything. The only things that are running are udev, rsyslog and sshd. You don't even get a login getty on the console. If sshd did not start for any reason, then the machine would appear completely dead and you would have to boot from a rescue CD (or similar). That's a bit difficult when the server is in a data centre in a different city. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
On a new AMD quadcore 4GB ram box with nVidiaGeForce 6150 integrated graphics running 10.04 AMD64 I had a problem with X not starting up on boot (black screen). it was just booting to a console logon. If I logged on to the console and ran /etc/init.d/gdm start then X would startup without issue. I disabled the on-board 6150 and installed a 9800GTX and the problem on that box disappeared. Now that I see this thread i think that was an upstart problem too. On another older intel celeron 800Mhz box with intel integrated graphics I had a black screen and cups not starting up. That machine is still crippled at the moment only running in VESA mode and still sometimes get black screen. Worked perfect in 9.10 On another highend AMD64 box with 8GB/RAM and 9800GTX video card this issue is showing up too. on this box bind9, ddclient, cups fail to start on boot about 50% of the time. On a new HP server with 10.04 AMD64 8CPUs bind starts 50% of the time. Thankfully its a server and they wont have to be rebooting it much. on a Dell inspiron 1520n that came with Ubuntu installed from Dell. This was upgraded to 10.04 and now cups starts about 70% of the time. This is down from 100% of the time in on 9.10 on a Dell inspiron mini (netbook) intel gma500 cups starts about 70% of the time that system is booted. The GMA500 is using Lucazade's hacked GMA500 driver else ubuntu wouldn't even run on this netbook. as far as GMA500 and 2D acceleration Lucazade and Jbernardo http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9324361 fixed what Canonical and Intel could not. The upstart is still not starting up cups properly on this machine tho. Maybe Lucazade and Jbernrado could look at it. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 22:14:43 - John Edwards john-ubu...@cornerstonelinux.co.uk wrote: Menno, it's not just CUPS. The server I met this problem with does not even have CUPS installed. If runlevel 2 is not entered then it is *all* services that are started by rc scripts that fail. That is almost everything. The only things that are running are udev, rsyslog and sshd. You don't even get a login getty on the console. If sshd did not start for any reason, then the machine would appear completely dead and you would have to boot from a rescue CD (or similar). That's a bit difficult when the server is in a data centre in a different city. Hello, If it concerns a server located in a data centre and it is not remotely accessible, that is pretty serious indeed. As far as I have noticed, if the runlevel is not set and Cups is not started, nothing important beyond that is missing. Even services that are started in the same way (from /etc/rc2.d/) are running normally (e.g., ntpd, sshd, pulseaudio). Menno -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
As I mentioned in #543506, I'm also seeing this issue on Ubuntu Server 10.04. I've tried some of the workarounds mentioned in this thread (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/543506/comments/83), including commenting out console output in all /etc/init/*.conf files. This had no effect, and services such as lighttpd aren't automatically starting that should be. When I run 'runlevel', the output is N 2, but again, my services still aren't being started properly. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
That doesn't sound like the exact same issue. Well over 500 restarts here and absolute consistency found, in that either I get runlevel N 2 and all services started fine or I get runlevel unknown and services not started (in my case proftpd and cupsd). No doubt they are similar and most likely caused by race conditions being created in the way upstart handles starting up services. Anyone else happily go back to a slower bootup time if it gave them some control over what order services started up? :D On 30/06/10 21:08, phireph0x wrote: As I mentioned in #543506, I'm also seeing this issue on Ubuntu Server 10.04. I've tried some of the workarounds mentioned in this thread (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/543506/comments/83), including commenting out console output in all /etc/init/*.conf files. This had no effect, and services such as lighttpd aren't automatically starting that should be. When I run 'runlevel', the output is N 2, but again, my services still aren't being started properly. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
This is a serious problem. At this point 10.04 is not production worthy. How can one deploy machines and not know if a service will start or not? 10.04 is turning out to be a disaster on the order of Vista. Services not starting up. Black screen on boot. HP printer regressions, scanner regressions, Just very basic stuff really that should just work. especially if its something that used to work in a previous version.This is embarrasing and when you convince a lot of people to switch from Windows they upgrade and regressions start happening all over the place. Very disappointing indeed. It feels as if I'm running out of reasons to convince people to leave Windows. Only security is left. Stability is out the window. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
I agree it's probably not the exact same issue, but definitely in the upstart has a race condition bucket of issues. I'm kinda impressed that you've gone through the heroics of rebooting your machine 500 times in the name of bug-squashing... that's persistence :-P That doesn't sound like the exact same issue. Well over 500 restarts here and absolute consistency found, in that either I get runlevel N 2 and all services started fine or I get runlevel unknown and services not started (in my case proftpd and cupsd). No doubt they are similar and most likely caused by race conditions being created in the way upstart handles starting up services. Anyone else happily go back to a slower bootup time if it gave them some control over what order services started up? :D On 30/06/10 21:08, phireph0x wrote: As I mentioned in #543506, I'm also seeing this issue on Ubuntu Server 10.04. I've tried some of the workarounds mentioned in this thread (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/543506/comments/83), including commenting out console output in all /etc/init/*.conf files. This had no effect, and services such as lighttpd aren't automatically starting that should be. When I run 'runlevel', the output is N 2, but again, my services still aren't being started properly. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 554172] Re: CUPS and other system services not starting at boot
Do you people with the CUPS problem also have no sound/audio and no shutdown option after login? I could be totally wrong, but to me it seemed inappropriate to merge this bug with this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/543506? The problem I have with sound/shutdown is now FIXED after doing what is here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9480172postcount=20 Also, I did this: apt-get install ifupdown --reinstall --purge I ran a scripted reboot on my system testing for Run Level, and after about an hour of boot/reboots, it correctly came up runlevel 2 everytime. -- CUPS and other system services not starting at boot https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/554172 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
