Re: [Ubuntu-ch] planning the 10.10 release party
Tormod Volden schrieb: ... The classic argument for having the RP some weeks after the release is the availability of official CDs. For a type 1 event this is not important. Personally I find it OK to hand out 10.04 LTS CDs in a type 2 event at this time, since I think 10.04 is getting into good shape with past months' updates. So what do you Swiss Ubunteros think? My personal view is that I am beginning to dread release parties. I'm still using Dapper Drake und my next task will be to upgrade to 10.04. When something new and improved is advertised, it implies that the previous product was somehow lacking. My own experience is that the new releases have more features and are sexier but also have more problems and some are more difficult to use. So, it is quite all right to hand out old CDs and the party should fcous on Ubuntu as a whole and not on the new version itself. Which is usually the case. It would be good if a 10.04 Swiss Remix were available, but I guess this won't be in time. Best, Theo -- Ubuntu-ch mailing list Ubuntu-ch@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ch
Re: [Ubuntu-ch] Edubuntu now with LTSP live [working somewhat]
Theo Schmidt schrieb: ... I just tried out Edubuntu 10.04... It has something new called LTSP live... Now my problem is, it doesn't work... In the meantime, I've gotten it to work somewhat. I checked the MD5 sum of my DVD+RW and found errors, so reburned my DVD, using a DVD-RW at single speed this time, resulting in a correct MD5 sum. LTSP-live still doesn't work as intended and seems to mix up eth0 and eth1 sometimes, but if you *repeatedly* run it *while* a thin client is running and waiting for DHCP offers, and trying out both eth0 and eth1 irrespective of actual network cards and routers present, it should eventually work - as a last resort you can try rebooting. It is possible to have a terminal server and thin clients running completely live within 10 minutes, perhaps 5 minutes with fast machines! ( I know Knoppix has done this for years, but I never figured out how to.) Booting the thin client takes rather long, almost as long as building LTSP itself, but with newer monitors you get automatic resolution configuration and the possiblity of changing the orientation on the thin client. In my case, I was able to use the 1600x1200 screen upside-down (very useful if you want to mount your monitor from the ceiling but I wish there was a mirror-image option instead), but portrait mode didn't work and crashed X, as unfortunately the default is to continue with the new settings instead of resuming the old ones. I'll try to mention these in Launchpad. With an old monitor, Edubuntu apparently tries to use either the same resolution as the server on the thin client or perhaps the maximum resolution that the thin client provides - but the server seems to get 800x600 if its monitor isn't recognized, with no possiblity to change this. The multimedia stuff works perfectly! Edubuntu uses Gnome as default and has discontinued the previous rather nice but juvenile look. This also makes it easy to get a KDE 3.5 type of look very quickly (take the top bar to the bottom, make it a bit bigger and delete the previous bottom bar)) and one KDE 4 program (Marble, including OpenStreetMap) is preinstalled. The thin client is now also supplied with a mini-boot manager allowing to boot an installed or embedded system instead of the network system, without having to remove the ethernet cable first. Summary: Apart from bugs, you can now get a terminal server running from scratch within minutes, thus installing an entire computer classroom instantly and if desired temporarly. Well done, developers!! Cheers, Theo Schmidt -- Ubuntu-ch mailing list Ubuntu-ch@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ch
[Ubuntu-ch] Who is tom...@inorbit.ch?
Every time I send a message to ubuntu-ch@lists.ubuntu.com, I get the error message below. Is this the case with others? Who is tomcat and could he be unsubscribed or resubscribed with a working address? Cheers, Theo Schmidt Original-Nachricht Betreff: Returned mail: see transcript for details Datum: Fri, 14 May 2010 04:02:52 -0400 Von: Mail Delivery Subsystem mailer-dae...@inorbit.com ... - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - tom...@inorbit.ch (reason: 550 SPF-check failed ... -- Ubuntu-ch mailing list Ubuntu-ch@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ch
Re: [Ubuntu-ch] Edubuntu now with LTSP live (but not working)
Theo Schmidt schrieb: ... I just tried out Edubuntu 10.04. It's great now having this as a live medium, even if it no longer fits on a CD! Thank you so much. It has something new called LTSP live,... Now my problem is, it doesn't work... I guess this is the wrong list for such questions. I tried again with another server and thin client and got as far as the splash screen, but no further, I have to assume that it is faulty. Daniel Stoni forwarded some mails suggesting to wait until the first snapshot on July 29th before upgrading a productive system. Best, Theo -- Ubuntu-ch mailing list Ubuntu-ch@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ch
[Ubuntu-ch] Edubuntu now with LTSP live (but not working)
Hi, this is a question for Stephane Graber, if you're here, or maybe somebody else has the answer. I just tried out Edubuntu 10.04. It's great now having this as a live medium, even if it no longer fits on a CD! Thank you so much. It has something new called LTSP live, which I guess you helped develop, Stephane. I just saw your tutorial on Youtube, very neat! Now my problem is, it doesn't work. I have two network cards, eth0 and eth1. Internet ran without any configuration on eth1, so I asked LTSP-live to use eth0. It installed OK, no errors and the new ltsp folders are all there in home. But the Thin Client connected to eth0 doesn't get any DHCP offers. I tried switching network cards and connections to no avail. Just once, with the Thin Client running while trying another installation, it did get an IP before the installation finished but then failed with ARP timed out. And afterwards there was no DHCP either. It doesn't seem possible to restart the DHCP server. The exact same Thin Client and network work perfectly with LTSP normally, I use it every day on Hardy. Any idea what could be wrong? Have you ever tried it with a real thin client and network, not a virtual machine as in your video? I can't find any bugs on the internet, but of course it's very new. Cheers, Theo Schmidt -- Ubuntu-ch mailing list Ubuntu-ch@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ch
Re: [Ubuntu-ch] Ubuntu bad for Scribus?
Myriam Schweingruber schrieb: ... first. However at the moment lots of things are working perfectly with KDE3.5, so I'm putting off problems related to this as long as possible. Well, I don't think this is necessary, there are not more changes between KDE 3.5x and KDE 4.3.x than there are between Windows Vista and Windows 7, and people are used to switch those OS since years. Thanks, Myriam. I know people still using Windows 98, because if you have an environment set up to work well, *every* change is a nuisance and costs money. With free software, it is almost worse, as progress is faster. (I assume you are aware of the gigantic waste of taxpayers' money by updating the federal desktop from Windows XP to Windows Vista instead of going directly to Windows 7) (apart from the even larger wastage of using Windows at all ;-) ). In my case, one of the things is a script to batch-process pictures which works by drag and drop in KDE3.5, which I need to transfer to KDE4. However, I didn't want to start a KDE-disscussion, but rather ask if there is conceivably any truth in the scribus-developers claim that Ubuntu was the most unsatisfactory of the large distribution to run Scribus with, because of large changes within QT by Canonical, and if it would be preferable to use Debian QT-packages rather than Ubuntu QT-packages. I don't know where you heard or read that, but it is complete and utter rubbish. Could you please provide some source on that? Kubuntu doesn't modify Qt. On the contrary, it is most likely the distribution that uses the most vanilla KDE 4 and Qt. As an example: try to get OpenSuSE's KDE to work correctly with the latest Qt 4.6.2... judging from the amount of bug reports we get lately it is much, much worse than Kubuntu, and OpenSuSE patches a lot :( Well, it's statement against statement here. As it was a private mail, I'll have to ask the Scribus developer for permission to give his name here. ... Also, I just checked here, using Kubuntu 9.10 with KDE SC 4.4, Qt 4.6.1 and Scribus-ng 1.3.5.dfsg~svn20090208-2ubuntu2 and everything works fine, no crashes so far. Are you sure you have all the dependencies installed correctly? Thank you. Yes, but the issue for me is Scribus-ng from Hardy, which is 1.3.4., which literally seems a bastard between new features and old toolkit. Cheers, Theo PS For every posting to this list I get the following: - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - tom...@inorbit.ch (reason: 550 SPF-check failed: Please see http://www.openspf.org/why.html?sender=theo.schmidt%40wilhelmtux.chip=64.12.207.163receiver=mxin005.mail.hostpoint.ch) -- Ubuntu-ch mailing list Ubuntu-ch@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ch
Re: [Ubuntu-ch] Ubuntu bad for Scribus?
Daniel Stoni schrieb: ... many people recommend LTS versions for business use. I assess the situation - and usually recommend to use current or last instead because LTS would be bad for Ubuntu ;-) Thanks, Daniel. The main reason for using LTS is IMHO not so much the stability, but freedom from update-terror for two years. Unfortunately this breaks when important packages have major updates out of step with the LTS-cycle, as with KDE, QT and Scribus, presumably also soon with Gnome. I personally would be happier to forget the LTS versions, but to also only have one new version per year. Since at least Jaunty there is a package called scribus-ng with a more recent version of scribus. This is the edition chosen by default in the SwissRemix. You might have a look if there is scribus-ng in Hardy also. Yes, in Hardy scribus-ng *is* version 1.3.4, which contains most of the features of 1.3.5. but using QT3 instead of QT4. Understandably nobody wants to fix the bugs in this now that 1.3.6 will be out soon. It was my mistake to use scribus-ng at all, but now it is too late to go back, as it uses a new file format incompatible with Scribus 1.3.3. In this respect free software is no better than propietary SW; the format trap may not be intentional, but it is still there. Cheers, Theo -- Ubuntu-ch mailing list Ubuntu-ch@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ch
Re: [Ubuntu-ch] Ubuntu bad for Scribus?
Myriam Schweingruber schrieb: ... Version 8.04 is NOT an LTS version for the KDE packages, only for the underlying base system. I don't think that's an issue in this case, because Scribus is not a KDE package. However it does depend on QT, so perhaps you're right. ... upgrade to Karmic, since it is absolutely pointless to keep 8.04 for KDE users, it never was an LTS for KDE. In our office each and any change of anything generates problems. We planned on getting new hardware this summer and making the switch to this, to Lucid and KDE4 all at once. Maybe this is wrong and we should get people used to KDE4 first. However at the moment lots of things are working perfectly with KDE3.5, so I'm putting off problems related to this as long as possible. However, I didn't want to start a KDE-disscussion, but rather ask if there is conceivably any truth in the scribus-developers claim that Ubuntu was the most unsatisfactory of the large distribution to run Scribus with, because of large changes within QT by Canonical, and if it would be preferable to use Debian QT-packages rather than Ubuntu QT-packages. Cheers, Theo -- Ubuntu-ch mailing list Ubuntu-ch@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ch
Re: [Ubuntu-ch] Release Candidate: SwissRemix for Karmic Koala
Tormod Volden schrieb: The Swiss GPRS-modems don't seem to work properly any more because of a bug in the kernel or the network-manager or both. Do you have a reference to a bug report? I know this was working well in 8.10 and also in Lucid when I tried a couple of months ago. Here is a bug report regarding the Huawei E220. It seems to be a bug of this device's firmware, but while older Ubuntus could cope, Karmic can't. A fix seems committed, but not releasd. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/446146?comments=all Cheers, Theo -- Ubuntu-ch mailing list Ubuntu-ch@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ch
Re: [Ubuntu-ch] Ubuntu in the News
Daniel Stoni schrieb: Hello all you might want to have a look at today's press. WOZ has published a full one-pager about Open Source in Switzerland and Ubuntu. During their investigations, they have contacted Markus, Myriam and me. ... Thank you Daniel, also for your excellent statements in the article! This article was partially initiated due to PR efforts by Wilhelm Tux. WOZ originally wanted something about a Ubuntu Release Party. I wrote an article which is here (in German): http://www.wilhelmtux.ch/dateien/Media/InterviewKarmicReleaseParty.pdf together with the lovely poster: http://www.wilhelmtux.ch/dateien/Media/PosterKarmicReleaseIrisHarmiz.pdf I sent the article to WOZ but they have done something quite different and as you will agree much better. However being for the political left, the article doesn't include many business-related aspects. Cheers, Theo Schmidt -- Ubuntu-ch mailing list Ubuntu-ch@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ch
Re: [Ubuntu-ch] Release Party in Bern this Saturday!
Myriam Schweingruber schrieb: ... This is a last attempt to raise the call for help, if nobody steps up to give a hand I will go partying in Bern with the Puzzle people who so kindly offered to host this event together with Hassan and Mark (who are the only people who are in the Attendees list) and ask the Ubuntu admins to dissolve this group, it doesn't make any sense if nobody has an interest for Team activities. Somehow I didn't realise it was next weekend... Maybe we should do release parties only once per year? In any case I'm coming, not sure of the time yet. ... We would like to have people giving a hand to: - demonstrate Ubuntu/Kubuntu to visitors, Happy to. But I havn't tried Karmic yet. I'm reasonably proficient with the last Swiss Remix though. - present Ubuntu and/or specific applications or projects related to Ubuntu, I can show some of the Edubuntu programs, or Marble with OpenStreetMap. For anybody interested and willing to walk four minutes, I can show a working LTSP Terminal Server with Thin Clients, managed by Puzzle, based on Kubuntu Hardy Heron. ... We still need people to spread the word in Switzerland. Yes. I havn't seen a notice anywhere and forgot to hang up one myself. Did anybody inform the local papers? See you soon, Theo -- Ubuntu-ch mailing list Ubuntu-ch@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ch
Re: [Ubuntu-ch] Fwd: Free book request on behalf of the Swiss Ubuntu LoCo Team
Myriam Schweingruber schrieb: http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/07/29/free-books-for-approved-loco-teams/ ... Let's hope that a free pdf version will be available soon, too :) I think I did mention it here: the Swiss Remix Edition of the Official Ubuntu Book (third edition) is at (and has been for some time): http://teamubuntu.ch/pub/9.04-desktop+swiss-remix/extras/Texts/OfficialUbuntuBookRemixEdition/ This is the HTML-version of the Official Ubuntu Book with very few slight additions which are easily deleted. Except for printing out, the PDF version doesn't offer much else. Cheers, Theo Schmidt -- Ubuntu-ch mailing list Ubuntu-ch@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ch
Re: [Ubuntu-ch] Ubuntu 9.04 SwissRemix RC
Pierre Graber schrieb: ... I have no time yet to update the french translation. But let me point out a new edition of the book Simple comme Ubuntu : http://www.framabook.org/ubuntu.html (9.04 version !, 336 pages) ... Super Pierre, thank you! I'll update this. Best, Theo -- Ubuntu-ch mailing list Ubuntu-ch@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ch
Re: [Ubuntu-ch] Ubuntu 9.04 SwissRemix RC [CTRL-ALT-Backspace]
Myriam Schweingruber schrieb: ... In Jaunty the useful CTRL-ALT-Backspace combination for killing a crahed X-server has been discontinued, much to my regret. See discussion: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XorgCtrlAltBackspace/Discussion Do you think we should keep it that way, reinstate CTRL-ALT-Backspace, or preinstall Dontzap (which allows switching the feature on and off)? please, don't change the current, just advise people they can install dontzap if really necessary. The whole point of disabling Ctrl.+Alt+Backspace is to avoid having non registered KDE sessions and subsequent data loss by users who just kill without thinking, and that's unfortunately the majority of our users in K/X/Ubuntu. Advanced users who really have to kill the X server can use Ctlr+SysRq+k so the current KDE session can be saved, or install Dontzap. These changes have been made by Xorg and adopted by the Ubuntu core devs, period. Thank you Myriam, also WaVeR. Good points; I tried Ctlr+SysRq+k and it works. So I'll just mention this in the documentation. I don't see any need for Dontzap now. Cheers, Theo -- Ubuntu-ch mailing list Ubuntu-ch@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ch
Re: [Ubuntu-ch] Ubuntu 9.04 SwissRemix RC [CTRL-ALT-Backspace]
Another question: In Jaunty the useful CTRL-ALT-Backspace combination for killing a crahed X-server has been discontinued, much to my regret. See discussion: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XorgCtrlAltBackspace/Discussion Do you think we should keep it that way, reinstate CTRL-ALT-Backspace, or preinstall Dontzap (which allows switching the feature on and off)? Cheers, Theo -- Ubuntu-ch mailing list Ubuntu-ch@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ch
Re: [Ubuntu-ch] Fwd: ubuntu cd swiss remix
-- Forwarded message -- From: Daniel Stoni d...@stoni.ch Date: Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 16:54 ... Hello Myriam I've been in contact with Matthias S and Daniel B. We may formally announce that the next Swiss Remix Ubuntu DVD will be built by the ubuntu-ch community. Here some base conditions: - I have offered to lead this task - I'm collecting sponsoring agreements for the DVD, we already have promises of half of the budget required for toasting and shrinkwrapping - /ch/open assumes a new Swiss DVD based on jaunty jackalope to be available as of may, 5 2009 - installzone at openexpo on April 2 also requires a current Ubuntu build. I rather hesitate to distribute the existing 8.04 SwissMix as being quite outdated now and suffering from the bad certificate problem. In short - an updated and released version of 8.x should be available as source, also. We should have a chat about how to achieve this. AFAIK Daniel Baumann could rather easily produce an updated LTS version, i.e. 8.04.2, but you would still have to start soon! Judging from my experience with the 8.04, producing a totally new version, e.g. Jaunty Jackalope, would take longer than by April 2nd, as there are sure to be new bugs. There are still enough existing 8.04 Swiss Remixes for the install zone, but as you say, they are best used live and not for installing, as many of the packages should be updated, which takes considerable time and bandwidth. An idea might be to produce some 8.04.2 remixes for the install zone by copying, not pressing. - I'm collecting ideas and requirements for the DVD also and it is interesting to note how many of these ideas are already being discussed on the brainstorm pages. Nevertheless we should agree on the procedure and about the features in the team and I would appreciate help of people familiar with CD building (is the ubuntu customization kit, UCK, the utility of choice?) If you are working with Daniel Baumann, he has written a script which more or less builds the distribution. However I suspect that Daniel is the only person able to use the script and there is still a lot of manual adjustment and bug chasing required. Regarding the extras, i.e. documentation and multimedia, I'm willing to help update this. The present Swiss Remix DVD does not show in some Windows systems. This should be fixed if possible. I agree with Myriam, that for the next DVD it might be time to use a KDE4 default for once. Alternatively there should be proivision for switching the desktops easily, either before booting or live. The present Swiss Remix does allow live switching between Gnome, KDE and Xfce, but it needs too much effort to be useful. Should be a one-click thing. Besides the technical issues, I think we should think more on distribution. At the moment, Swiss Remixes are for example in the reduced bin at Thalia Books in Bern for CHF 4.95. People aren't buying them. In spite of the attractive cover, we need a professional looking display box or even larger boxes per DVD. In the last few years, Linux has been forgotten by the public. We need to increase awareness, in this case the surface area a potential buyer or user sees at the first glance. We can disscuss some of this in person soon, Daniel! Cheers, Theo -- Ubuntu-ch mailing list Ubuntu-ch@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ch
