Re: G-p-m hding while on AC
On Thu, 2006-02-23 at 21:47 -0800, Corey Burger wrote: I just noticed that g-p-m now hides while on AC. I think this is horrible default, for several reasons. On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 16:58 -0700, Lakin Wecker wrote: Users are accustomed to many types of portable devices which run on batteries: cell-phones, PDAs, music players, and laptops. Knowing the state of the battery is an important part of using the device. Most will expect to see some sort of battery charge information on the screen, and the lack of an indicator will not be interpreted as a fully charged laptop. It is yet another thing that they will have to learn about their Gnome desktop. I agree with Corey. Me too, please put the power icon back when AC is plugged in. Matt -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Windows FOSS on the Live CD -- the OOo2 question
would prefer to see people in Ubuntu. Don't sell yourself short; Ubuntu is what we are selling when we are making a Live CD. Ok, as promised: http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/temp/Mar09/a/LiveDapperBoot.avi.torrent 16meg, worth the view. not worth even consedering for final product, but worth chattering about. that was a laptop hooked to a video capture device. It didn't like the screen mode changes, so most of it was just fuz. If anyone is interested, I can try doing the same thing in a VM and using the host OS to capture. ^CarlFK -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Windows FOSS on the Live CD -- the OOo2 question
Carl Karsten wrote: Ok, as promised: http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/temp/Mar09/a/LiveDapperBoot.avi.torrent 16meg, worth the view. not worth even consedering for final product, but worth chattering about. Carl, that sounds great! Unfortunately I get a bad torrent. I you could put the file somewhere I could upload and just mirror it on an Ubuntu machine. - Henrik -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: G-p-m hding while on AC
On 3/9/06, Sandis Neilands [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello again! On 3/9/06, Christian Bjälevik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are chasing space on panel, try removing that useless logout icon, which is fairly well accesible from menu, doesn't indicate any state (or anything at all) and takes the most valuable space on panel (for right handed users) while being used twice a day (or less). I like it there. It saves me to use the menu when I want to log out using my mouse. I use the keyboard most of times though :-P. Hmmm, if our likes or dislikes are our only arguments for or against things, then we can quickly get into trouble. For now, I haven't seen any valid (technical, usability, etc) reason for that icon being in that place. Indeed. However, the standard thing for all portable devices I've ever come across is to always display the battery status, no matter if it's fully loaded, charging, discharging or plain empty. As already mentioned, screen real-estate is a non-issue (atleast on a modern laptop with = 1024x768 resolution, which as far as I know something you'll need to run gnome 2.14). The disappearance of the icon is confusing, and only people who *know* the fact that the icon is set to disappear when the battery is full and on AC will understand that this effectively means their laptop is ready to hit the highway. Other people will start wondering if something is wrong. Maybe their laptop is malfunctioning and needs a reboot? I find this kind of decision making disturbing. Major change should be discussed on -devel or -desktop BEFORE applied, not the other way around. Another good example for behind-the-curtains decision is GDM login screen and options menu. From what I've seen not many people answer on those querys, when they are made. No, wrong. Look at the recent Firefox and the `you have chosen to open ...' dialogue thread in devel and desktop lists. However if nobody answers, you can assume that nobody cares that much and do as you will. But at least you would have been asked. For the logout-button I think it's an sabdfl decision (corrent me if I'm wrong please) but it's often easiest to make a change and see how the community like it. They will complain if they don't ;-). Well, I'm part of the comunity and I hate it (the icon in the corner, not Mark :) As far as the top right logout icon, I rather thought that change was a sensible one. It's far easier to log out via that than the menu. Of course, now that we have g-p-m, my main use of the logout icon can simply be replaced by close laptop lid, but at the time of writing, not every laptop user out there is as lucky as me when it comes to suspend++ support. And since sabdfl is wikipedia's main benevolent dictator for life example, I think you all have to live with it there, at least for dapper, anyway. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: G-p-m hding while on AC
Hello Øivind! On 3/9/06, Øivind Hoel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/9/06, Sandis Neilands [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello again! On 3/9/06, Christian Bjälevik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are chasing space on panel, try removing that useless logout icon, which is fairly well accesible from menu, doesn't indicate any state (or anything at all) and takes the most valuable space on panel (for right handed users) while being used twice a day (or less). I like it there. It saves me to use the menu when I want to log out using my mouse. I use the keyboard most of times though :-P. Hmmm, if our likes or dislikes are our only arguments for or against things, then we can quickly get into trouble. For now, I haven't seen any valid (technical, usability, etc) reason for that icon being in that place. Indeed. However, the standard thing for all portable devices I've ever come across is to always display the battery status, no matter if it's fully loaded, charging, discharging or plain empty. As already mentioned, screen real-estate is a non-issue (atleast on a modern laptop with = 1024x768 resolution, which as far as I know something you'll need to run gnome 2.14). The disappearance of the icon is confusing, and only people who *know* the fact that the icon is set to disappear when the battery is full and on AC will understand that this effectively means their laptop is ready to hit the highway. Other people will start wondering if something is wrong. Maybe their laptop is malfunctioning and needs a reboot? Good points and I agree with you on this issue. However when I wrote that paragraph I had a log out icon in the corner in mind. I find this kind of decision making disturbing. Major change should be discussed on -devel or -desktop BEFORE applied, not the other way around. Another good example for behind-the-curtains decision is GDM login screen and options menu. From what I've seen not many people answer on those querys, when they are made. No, wrong. Look at the recent Firefox and the `you have chosen to open ...' dialogue thread in devel and desktop lists. However if nobody answers, you can assume that nobody cares that much and do as you will. But at least you would have been asked. For the logout-button I think it's an sabdfl decision (corrent me if I'm wrong please) but it's often easiest to make a change and see how the community like it. They will complain if they don't ;-). Well, I'm part of the comunity and I hate it (the icon in the corner, not Mark :) As far as the top right logout icon, I rather thought that change was a sensible one. It's far easier to log out via that than the menu. Of course, now that we have g-p-m, my main use of the logout icon can simply be replaced by close laptop lid, but at the time of writing, not every laptop user out there is as lucky as me when it comes to suspend++ support. Hey, but how about those ~80% users (made this up in my mind) with desktop PCs'? It's nice that ubuntu cares about laptop owners, but for desktop users this icon is useless. And since sabdfl is wikipedia's main benevolent dictator for life example, I think you all have to live with it there, at least for dapper, anyway. No, i will remove it (of course if menu item won't be ripped off). -- Sandis -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: G-p-m hding while on AC
Sorry for butting into the conversation. While I admin a Laptop for a relative with no computer experience, I don't own one myself, so take my comments with a grain of salt. Am Donnerstag, den 09.03.2006, 09:13 + schrieb Matthew East: Me too, please put the power icon back when AC is plugged in. I agree that it seems to make sense to have the icon shown even with a full battery and the power cable connected. But this means that the icon is no loger a notification - i.e. showing when something of non-critical urgency happens (like New updates available or Restart recommended or even Charging battery) - but a permanent status indicator, like network connection, sound volume, system load etc. Shouldn't battery status be implemented as a panel applet then, like the other permant status indicators, leaving the notification area for actual notification icons? This would have the added benefit of a fixed location for the applet, so that the users can always find their battery status at exactly the same place. Wolki -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: G-p-m hding while on AC
On 3/9/06, Sandis Neilands [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dont currently have desktop machine to check, but I dont remember seeing the power status icon when I had breezy running on my old desktop machine, but perhapse it has changed. I.e. I think it doesnt show up on desktop machines, but maybe a desktop machine running user confirm this? My last post was about other issue (log out icon). Of course it's OT in this thread and all, but aren't people even supposed to read what I was replying to before replying to me? Oopse : ). Sorry I misread. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: G-p-m hding while on AC
On Thu, 2006-02-23 at 21:47 -0800, Corey Burger wrote: Hey all, I just noticed that g-p-m now hides while on AC. I think this is horrible default, for several reasons. I just asked in -devel and it appear that this isn't actually the default at all, so we can bring this thread to a dignified close, I think: [17:33:54] mdke_ does anyone know what the decision is on whether the battery icon from g-p-m is shown by default while charging? the consensus on the desktop list seems to be fairly resoundingly in favour of yes. [17:41:28] Kinnison mdke_: the default icon policy is 'charge' which means it will [17:42:00] mdke_ hmm [17:42:15] mdke_ so the thread on the desktop list is based kinda on a false premise, i.e. that it isn't [17:42:22] Kinnison well yes [17:42:28] Kinnison the default policy has been 'charge' for some time now Matt -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: G-p-m hding while on AC
On 3/9/06, Matthew East [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2006-02-23 at 21:47 -0800, Corey Burger wrote: Hey all, I just noticed that g-p-m now hides while on AC. I think this is horrible default, for several reasons.I just asked in -devel and it appear that this isn't actually the default at all, so we can bring this thread to a dignified close, Ithink: [17:33:54] mdke_ does anyone know what the decision is on whetherthe battery icon from g-p-m is shown by default while charging? the consensus on the desktop list seems to be fairly resoundingly in favourof yes. [17:41:28] Kinnison mdke_: the default icon policy is 'charge' whichmeans it willI think there was a misunderstanding between this thread, you and Kinnison on irc. The icon has always been shown while the battery is not 100% charged, which is what kinnison confirmed. On the other hand, this thread is about showing the battery status all the time regardless of AC state or battery charge level. In the power management preferences, there are four options:Notification area: * Never display icon * Only display when battery lif is critical * Only display when charging or discharging (default) * Always display iconIn my opinion this thread is about making the default Always display icon. Lakin -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
