Re: Firefox Extensions still needed?
On 10/08/15 22:21, Xavier Guillot wrote: Hi, I can't answer to this specific question, but as an user with Firefox as default browser on Ubuntu 15.04 Desktop, if those addons are kept, perhaps they need to be signed. Today when I updated to the latest FF Nightly 42.0a1 on the daily ppa, Mozilla activated the obligation to use only officially signed extensions: https://support.mozilla.org/fr/kb/add-on-signing-in-firefox All 3 Ubuntu addons were automatically desactivated. On the nightly version, there is an option in About:config to restore the old behavior (xpinstall.signatures.required set to false), but on future normal and beta versions of Firefox, it will not be possible anymore normally. Even if the addons are provided directly in the packages and not on Mozilla site, it is still also possible to validate them. Best regards, Xavier Ubufox was signed a few weeks ago and will be shipped with the Firefox 40 update tomorrow. However, it's only been through preliminary review, and future Firefox versions disable side-loaded addons that haven't had a full review. I'm not sure about the status of the other addons (cc'ing dbarth). Regards - Chris -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Firefox Extensions still needed?
On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 12:41 PM, David Barth david.ba...@canonical.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Chris Coulson chrisccoul...@ubuntu.com wrote: On 10/08/15 22:21, Xavier Guillot wrote: Hi, I can't answer to this specific question, but as an user with Firefox as default browser on Ubuntu 15.04 Desktop, if those addons are kept, perhaps they need to be signed. Today when I updated to the latest FF Nightly 42.0a1 on the daily ppa, Mozilla activated the obligation to use only officially signed extensions: https://support.mozilla.org/fr/kb/add-on-signing-in-firefox All 3 Ubuntu addons were automatically desactivated. On the nightly version, there is an option in About:config to restore the old behavior (xpinstall.signatures.required set to false), but on future normal and beta versions of Firefox, it will not be possible anymore normally. Even if the addons are provided directly in the packages and not on Mozilla site, it is still also possible to validate them. Best regards, Xavier Ubufox was signed a few weeks ago and will be shipped with the Firefox 40 update tomorrow. However, it's only been through preliminary review, and future Firefox versions disable side-loaded addons that haven't had a full review. I'm not sure about the status of the other addons (cc'ing dbarth). Yup, we've started submitting webapps extensions as well, starting with the main xul-ext-websites-integration. Hmm, actually there is a problem, but thanks for the reminder. David -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Coordinating work around newer upstream Nvidia drivers for users
On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 7:05 PM, Jorge O. Castro jo...@ubuntu.com wrote: After some googling I found two people who are doing amazing work: Bah, as pointed out in IRC I totally missed Rico and Robert: https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa Sorry guys, it wasn't my intent to leave people out! -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Firefox Extensions still needed?
On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Chris Coulson chrisccoul...@ubuntu.com wrote: On 10/08/15 22:21, Xavier Guillot wrote: Hi, I can't answer to this specific question, but as an user with Firefox as default browser on Ubuntu 15.04 Desktop, if those addons are kept, perhaps they need to be signed. Today when I updated to the latest FF Nightly 42.0a1 on the daily ppa, Mozilla activated the obligation to use only officially signed extensions: https://support.mozilla.org/fr/kb/add-on-signing-in-firefox All 3 Ubuntu addons were automatically desactivated. On the nightly version, there is an option in About:config to restore the old behavior (xpinstall.signatures.required set to false), but on future normal and beta versions of Firefox, it will not be possible anymore normally. Even if the addons are provided directly in the packages and not on Mozilla site, it is still also possible to validate them. Best regards, Xavier Ubufox was signed a few weeks ago and will be shipped with the Firefox 40 update tomorrow. However, it's only been through preliminary review, and future Firefox versions disable side-loaded addons that haven't had a full review. I'm not sure about the status of the other addons (cc'ing dbarth). Yup, we've started submitting webapps extensions as well, starting with the main xul-ext-websites-integration. David -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Coordinating work around newer upstream Nvidia drivers for users
Having a disjunct set of packages for every nvidia driver series has served us well in my opinion. So this should be continued. A slight change I would prefer is a det of common metapackages. Those would control which driver gets chosen for install. Basically this could match the linux-kernel package scheme. So there could be a metapackage for old-legacy, legacy, longterm, stable and beta. (supporting drivers which don't work with the system's xorg-server isn't possible) There should be no need for transitional packages in the driver package itself. This would preserve all available driver series to roll back to if needed. I am in favor of introducing a commonly trusted (non-virtualized) PPA which is able to build for all architectures like it is done by the linux-kernel or mozilla-security team. This PPA could be promoted by some mentioned technical websites to encourage users to test the provided driver versions. Regards, Rico https://launchpad.net/~ricotz https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=nvidia signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Drop Ubuntu Software Centre and Adopt GNOME Software
Le 30/07/2015 19:13, Amr Ibrahim a écrit : I suggest putting a roadmap for this to see if it's possible or not. Hey Amr, Having a roadmap and people interested in working on the transition seems like a good first step! Before suggesting a replacement the alternative should be proved to be good enough, which means identifying the gaps and working on resolving those. If you/others start working on that please share the wiki document on the list so others can look at it and maybe help/contribute Cheers, Sebastien Bacher -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Firefox Extensions still needed?
Hi David, Are those extensions still needed for our Unity vision or does the new Ubuntu browser make them obsolete? Already the Chromium part of those extensions no longer works, could the Firefox part be dropped too? What specifically is each one supposed to do? Kind regards, Bryan On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 8:48 AM, David Barth david.ba...@canonical.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 12:41 PM, David Barth david.ba...@canonical.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Chris Coulson chrisccoul...@ubuntu.com wrote: On 10/08/15 22:21, Xavier Guillot wrote: Hi, I can't answer to this specific question, but as an user with Firefox as default browser on Ubuntu 15.04 Desktop, if those addons are kept, perhaps they need to be signed. Today when I updated to the latest FF Nightly 42.0a1 on the daily ppa, Mozilla activated the obligation to use only officially signed extensions: https://support.mozilla.org/fr/kb/add-on-signing-in-firefox All 3 Ubuntu addons were automatically desactivated. On the nightly version, there is an option in About:config to restore the old behavior (xpinstall.signatures.required set to false), but on future normal and beta versions of Firefox, it will not be possible anymore normally. Even if the addons are provided directly in the packages and not on Mozilla site, it is still also possible to validate them. Best regards, Xavier Ubufox was signed a few weeks ago and will be shipped with the Firefox 40 update tomorrow. However, it's only been through preliminary review, and future Firefox versions disable side-loaded addons that haven't had a full review. I'm not sure about the status of the other addons (cc'ing dbarth). Yup, we've started submitting webapps extensions as well, starting with the main xul-ext-websites-integration. Hmm, actually there is a problem, but thanks for the reminder. David -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Firefox Extensions still needed?
Le 11/08/2015 14:48, David Barth a écrit : Hmm, actually there is a problem, but thanks for the reminder. Hey David, Thanks for the reply, can you give some detail on that? Do we have registered bugs for the issues? Cheers, Sebastien Bacher -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Coordinating work around newer upstream Nvidia drivers for users
Thanks for the email. I read what you wrote but failed to understand the details of issue, could you give some details on what sort of issues you saw? Did we ship drivers buggy enough that you couldn't play with them? Was that fixes with the version you found in ppas? For my use case, the latest NVidia hardware isn't supported on 14.04 (I'm on 15.04 now, but it definitely wasn't supported previously). I believe I need 340.xx or higher for Geforce 750 (Maxwell+) or above. For gamers especially, it's recommended to always use the latest stable driver because it will have the latest fixes, performance improvements, and possibly features that your new game requires. Some drivers will also include game specific profiles to optimize the driver for that specific game. Steam actually included a Video Driver Update checker and will warn if you drivers are to out-of-date (this doesn't work on Linux). We've had the most games released for Linux in the last year (or so), then any year (or decade?) previously. That's why this hasn't really been an issue before. Kind regards, Bryan -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Firefox Extensions still needed?
You're right: not all of them actually make sense in the new world order, as we have a better solution on touch devices in particular. That's why we started with just the one that signals the existence of webapps. The better integration points and OA links are now directly with webapp-container. Still the main one makes sense to keep around. On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 3:30 PM, Bryan Quigley gquig...@gmail.com wrote: Hi David, Are those extensions still needed for our Unity vision or does the new Ubuntu browser make them obsolete? Already the Chromium part of those extensions no longer works, could the Firefox part be dropped too? What specifically is each one supposed to do? Kind regards, Bryan On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 8:48 AM, David Barth david.ba...@canonical.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 12:41 PM, David Barth david.ba...@canonical.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Chris Coulson chrisccoul...@ubuntu.com wrote: On 10/08/15 22:21, Xavier Guillot wrote: Hi, I can't answer to this specific question, but as an user with Firefox as default browser on Ubuntu 15.04 Desktop, if those addons are kept, perhaps they need to be signed. Today when I updated to the latest FF Nightly 42.0a1 on the daily ppa, Mozilla activated the obligation to use only officially signed extensions: https://support.mozilla.org/fr/kb/add-on-signing-in-firefox All 3 Ubuntu addons were automatically desactivated. On the nightly version, there is an option in About:config to restore the old behavior (xpinstall.signatures.required set to false), but on future normal and beta versions of Firefox, it will not be possible anymore normally. Even if the addons are provided directly in the packages and not on Mozilla site, it is still also possible to validate them. Best regards, Xavier Ubufox was signed a few weeks ago and will be shipped with the Firefox 40 update tomorrow. However, it's only been through preliminary review, and future Firefox versions disable side-loaded addons that haven't had a full review. I'm not sure about the status of the other addons (cc'ing dbarth). Yup, we've started submitting webapps extensions as well, starting with the main xul-ext-websites-integration. Hmm, actually there is a problem, but thanks for the reminder. David -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Coordinating work around newer upstream Nvidia drivers for users
On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 9:36 AM, Sebastien Bacher seb...@ubuntu.com wrote: Thanks for the email. I read what you wrote but failed to understand the details of issue, could you give some details on what sort of issues you saw? Did we ship drivers buggy enough that you couldn't play with them? Was that fixes with the version you found in ppas? From a Just Works for the Desktop, the drivers we ship in the archive work just fine. However, with all that's going in upstream OpenGL and (soon) Vulkan; coupled with AAA game releases; users are wanting to get the absolute latest drivers. For example, a new game comes out, and Liam runs some benchmarks: https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/shadow-of-mordor-nvidia-benchmarks-on-linux.5769 If you check out the comments there are some times when a game requires a new version for the best performance. This is just an example, but it's usually a similar discussion any time a large release is made. Having uptodate drivers in a documented location seems like a good idea, I would still like to understand how unusable our archive versions are, because if users can't use those to start games then I think that having an out of the archive solution isn't good enough. I don't consider the drivers in the archive broken, I think for desktop users they generally work fine. I don't think aggressively updating those will be useful, since Nvidia has dropped support for older hardware in the past, and I am wary of us sending out an SRU with a new driver update and old hardware breaks. (This happened to SteamOS in May). It appears as though more and more games are requiring newer drivers though. I was thinking of maybe pinging the guys over at Feral or Aspyr (who port games to Linux) to see what they think. -- Jorge Castro Canonical Ltd. http://juju.ubuntu.com/ - Automate your Cloud Infrastructure -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Coordinating work around newer upstream Nvidia drivers for users
Le 11/08/2015 01:05, Jorge O. Castro a écrit : because our Nvidia driver story in Trusty isn't ideal Hey Jorge, Thanks for the email. I read what you wrote but failed to understand the details of issue, could you give some details on what sort of issues you saw? Did we ship drivers buggy enough that you couldn't play with them? Was that fixes with the version you found in ppas? Having uptodate drivers in a documented location seems like a good idea, I would still like to understand how unusable our archive versions are, because if users can't use those to start games then I think that having an out of the archive solution isn't good enough. We shouldn't keep shipping drivers in the archive if those aren't usable... Cheers, Sebastien Bacher -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Coordinating work around newer upstream Nvidia drivers for users
Le 11/08/2015 16:13, Jorge O. Castro a écrit : From a Just Works for the Desktop, the drivers we ship in the archive work just fine. However, with all that's going in upstream OpenGL and (soon) Vulkan; coupled with AAA game releases; users are wanting to get the absolute latest drivers. Thanks Jorge, it's reassuring to know that our archive drivers situation is not totally bogus ;-) And yeah, I agree that having a way for users to get the most recent upstream stuff would be nice! Cheers, Sebastien Bacher -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Drop Ubuntu Software Centre and Adopt GNOME Software
For us to use GNOME Software we probably want to update to the latest version [1]. That's currently blocked because it needs PackageKit 1.0 [2]. And that's blocked until we get a Click update. If anyone knows more migration issues please add information to those bugs. I suspect we might also need some work in aptdaemon - please comment if you know. --Robert [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1470656 [2] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1470655 On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 1:40 AM Sebastien Bacher seb...@ubuntu.com wrote: Le 30/07/2015 19:13, Amr Ibrahim a écrit : I suggest putting a roadmap for this to see if it's possible or not. Hey Amr, Having a roadmap and people interested in working on the transition seems like a good first step! Before suggesting a replacement the alternative should be proved to be good enough, which means identifying the gaps and working on resolving those. If you/others start working on that please share the wiki document on the list so others can look at it and maybe help/contribute Cheers, Sebastien Bacher -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
