Re: Providing a less dramatic upgrade for LTS-users.
Hello, 2011/12/15 Jo-Erlend Schinstad : .. > My proposal is that users who _upgrade_ from 10.04 should be presented with > a Gnome Panel desktop, kept as close to the setup in 10.04 as possible. This > should be very easy since most of the stuff on the panel has been converted > to indicators in any case, and the indicator applet has been upgraded to > Gnome Panel 3, along with the default applets. At the first login after the > upgrade, the user should be presented with a dialog that tells the user > about the new desktop and that you can open a guest session to try it Very good idea! I fully support the reasoning and the proposed solution. - Otto -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Suggest fixing the skip-keys in Totem.
su, 2011-05-15 kello 18:34 +0200, Jo-Erlend Schinstad kirjoitti: > > I think it would be better if the skips back and forth were the same > length. I agree. Long press could accelerate skips. -- | Otto Kekäläinen | http://www.sange.fi/ -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Shall we hide the GUI for Hibernate in Natty?
I'm in favor of removing hibernate for the reasons Rick expressed. ma, 2011-01-31 kello 11:04 -0800, Rick Spencer kirjoitti: > However, Hibernate works well for some users, so this will be a > painful > regression[1]. Hibernate works well on my computer, however the speed of starting from zero, loading grub, loading kernel, loading saved memory state and showing the desktop etc (the hibernate does) is almost the exactly same as doing a normal startup, so the hibernate mode is quite useless. The work done on upstart and other boot time improvements has made hibernate obsolete. Thanks! -- | Otto Kekäläinen | http://www.sange.fi/ -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Where does the plus sign in file permissions come from?
Lainaus Martin Pitt : >> The symptom involves that sometimes the ACL is on and sometimes off. >> Is there something else that puts the ACL on/off that the udev init >> script? > > No, the udev script should be the only one. The intention is that the > user who has the current foreground console gets those extra ACL > privileges, and other users get them revoked if they loose the > foreground console (i. e. for user switching, etc.). This ensures that > hardware that you plug in gets activated for the "current" user. Oh, that explains a lot. If the ACL also forbids users to shutdown the computer unless they are the only user logged in and their console is active? These lines in syslog are probably related?: Mar 17 21:40:42 shuttle console-kit-daemon[874]: WARNING: Could not determine active console Mar 17 21:40:42 shuttle console-kit-daemon[874]: WARNING: Error waiting for native console 4 activation: Invalid argument > Under which circumstances are they off for you? It occurs randomly. ACL might be off right from boot or after using the computer for some time. 75% of the time ACL is on and works just fine. More details in the bug report itself: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/537596 -- Otto Kekäläinen www.sange.fi -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Where does the plus sign in file permissions come from?
Hello, Listing of ls -la /dev/dvb/adapter0/ shows: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 140 2010-03-14 08:20 . drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 60 2010-03-14 08:20 .. crw-rw+ 1 root video 212, 4 2010-03-14 08:20 ca0 crw-rw+ 1 root video 212, 0 2010-03-14 08:20 demux0 crw-rw+ 1 root video 212, 1 2010-03-14 08:20 dvr0 crw-rw+ 1 root video 212, 3 2010-03-14 08:20 frontend0 crw-rw+ 1 root video 212, 2 2010-03-14 08:20 net0 Where does the +-sign come from? As far as I know, Ubuntu does not use ACL by default. According to "info coreutils 'ls invocation'": A file with any other combination of alternate access methods is marked with a `+' character. What is the alternate access method in this case? Something related to AppArmor or PolicyKit? I'm trying to debug an issue, which appears in pair with the plus sings in file permissions. It would be very helpful I somebody could point to what package makes those attributes.. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Gthumb as default image viewer?
su, 2010-03-07 kello 12:09 -0800, Rick Spencer kirjoitti: > On Sun, 2010-03-07 at 12:06 -0800, Rick Spencer wrote: > > On Sun, 2010-03-07 at 21:02 +0200, Otto Kekäläinen wrote: > > > The thread ended up in that F-Spots view one image in folder -mode > > > should have basic editing capabilities included. Unfortunately in Lucid > > > this does still not exist, and I really think that EOG should be > > > replaced with GThumb to give users even the basic functions (that are > > > even found in Windows XP). > > It's coming. Please review the work items. > [..] > https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-default-apps > > [raof] f-spot: provide save button and drop instant saving: DONE > [raof] f-spot: provide undo in edit mode: TODO > [raof] f-spot: provide next/prev buttons in view mode: TODO Thanks, I just tested it and it is definately an improvement. I'd still hope that the F-Spot edit mode would also contain functions to rotate images. There are rotate buttons in EOG, but it would be a better user experience to have all edit functions in one view (=the F-Spot edit view). Also I noticed some bugs in the F-spot editor (like after editing an image, it's rotation is reset to default), but I'll just file bug reports about those, since they are not design decisions. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Alpha 3 testing report
su, 2010-03-07 kello 20:45 +0200, Otto Kekäläinen kirjoitti: > Only one thing got worse this week. After running an update on Friday > the default boot icon and desktop theme changed into something > ridiculous. The boot logo went from a balanced and aesthetic one to I just found the page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brand so I guess the new theme is serious. Sorry if I upset somebody with me feedback. Looks is a matter of taste.. I at least hope you would choose the lighter GTK theme as default (btw, it looks just like Mac?) and not the dark one. Also, I heavily recommend changing the default background image both in Gnome and login window. You might also want to check out how the boot image and themes look with different screens. For example on my 32 inch LCD screen the "dots" around the Ubuntu circle are just 2x2 pixels big and thus barely visible. Personally I'll install the theme that was on alpha-3 in stead of using the Mac-clone. Btw, the orange packaging and website theme at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brand2 look very good. It's just the dark/fuzzy boot/background/desktop theme I dislike. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Gthumb as default image viewer?
Hello, We had an thread on this list in July 2009 (below) about that with Gthumb it is possible to view images in a folder and do some simple editing (resize, crop) in-place - something that the current default Ubuntu with EOG/F-spot does not do. The thread ended up in that F-Spots view one image in folder -mode should have basic editing capabilities included. Unfortunately in Lucid this does still not exist, and I really think that EOG should be replaced with GThumb to give users even the basic functions (that are even found in Windows XP). Also, most modern digital cameras (and phones) are used to take both photos and videos. Since F-spot don't import or show videos, most users are much better off using Gthumb, since with it you can both load the videos from you camera and view them as you browse your photos. to, 2009-07-02 kello 12:04 -0400, Andrew SB kirjoitti: > On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 6:08 AM, Otto Kekäläinen wrote: > > We'll, I've migrated hundreds of Windows users into Ubuntu (I work for > > a Linux support company) and nine out of then users run into trouble > > when using Nautilus they try to open and/or manipulate images. > > > > On a fresh Ubuntu install I always install Gthumb and make it the > > default image viewer in Nautilus file associations. That fixes all the > > usability problems I've witnessed. > > > > I also work as a usability export in software development projects, > > and it's my professional opinion that Gthumb would be better than EOG. > > > > > > If you want to do usability testing yourself, try out this scenario: > > 1. prepare a folder with a lot of photos > > 2. ask the user to open that folder and do some tasks. for example: > > remove duplicate photos, rotate some image, crop/resize another etc. > > 3. copy that folder to a CD or USB and give it to you > > > > Step 2 is where users run into problems. At first when they > > doubleclick the image, the only function they can do is to rotate. > > After this users do various things, but most commonly they click the > > image with the secondary mouse button and select "open with". First > > they try F-spot which also only allows rotating (in single image > > viewing mode). Secondly they open Gimp and then they scream, that > > Linux is too complicated. > > > > I think you touch on the real issue here. It's not so much a problem > with viewing photos, as we all have noted there are already two > options, EOG when you are in a folder and F-Spot for collections. The > real problem is that those programs aren't image editors and the GIMP > is a tool for advanced users. GThumb doesn't solve this problem > either. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Alpha 3 testing report
Hello, I just wanted to tell you that most of these bugs were fixed this week. Nice work of you! (Details below). Only one thing got worse this week. After running an update on Friday the default boot icon and desktop theme changed into something ridiculous. The boot logo went from a balanced and aesthetic one to something using an ugly font and a logo so tiny small that you need an magnifier to see it's the Ubuntu logo. The new desktop theme is dark and unprofessional and the window buttons switched places (really annoying since I just keep on pressing the wrong icon to minimize the window). The new background image is dark, smudged and depressing. I guess Canonical is playing with us. They now switched to the ugliest theme they could find so that just before the final release they can switch back to earlier, light white/grey theme and amaze us with how beautiful and clear it is, right? :) > > launching the Desktop Cd.. This dialog should shown at all when > > running a live CD and certainly not should the live CD "detect itself". > > Never noticed this one there, could you open a bug on update-notifier if > you can reproduce the issue and there is no bug open about it yet? I'll try this again on with a new daily image and it I can still reproduce, I'll open a bug report. > > - The installer has a button "Update the installer". When I press it > > while there is no network connection, it shows some dialog running > > some update, but after that nothing happends and the button just goes > > grey. I'd expect it to complain about not beeing able to connect to > > the repo servers. > > The issue is probably an ubiquity one, could you open a bug if there is > none opened about that yet? I'll try again and possibly open a bug report. > > - After I press "Next" on the last screen of the installer (where it > > shows a listing about what it's about to do) the installer windows > > just disappears and nothing happends. It does not leave any processes > > running and it didn't install anything. Tested this again today and > > the problem is still there. > > Did you try with today's image or again with the alpha3 one? There was a > crasher which looks similar to what you describe which has been fixed in > lucid yesterday (so today's daily should work correctly). I'll try again and possibly open a bug report. > > with a cursor blinking. Going to a command line console with > > Alt+Ctrl+F1 and back to X with F7 unravels the desktop, where > > everything seems fine (I've enabled autologin). > > That's a known plymouth issue Some update at the beginning fixed this issue partially - now X boots into black screen only once in then times. > > - While using Lucid, many apps just plain crash and bring up the > > automatic crash reportin tool. Are all the apps I've tried buggy or is > > there some background mechanism that crashes a lot of stuff? > > Not easy to say without seeing the stacktrace, open the bugs if you want > to be sure about those Haven't seen these any more. Something got fixed. > > - On one computer the sound volume icon is grey (muted) even though > > the sound works fine and I can increase/decrease the volume with > > hardware keys and there is correct on screen feedback. On another > > computer I tried the sound volume icon works correctly. > > Do the mixer dialog works correctly? You can open a bug on > indicator-sound about the applet issue Yes, the dialog works. Actually, now the icon seems to have been fixed. Still, running the scroll wheel over the icon does not increase/decrease the volume as the applet in 9.10 did. I'll test on another machine and possible file a bug. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Alpha 3 testing report
Hello, I know I should probably file bugs for these issues I found, but they seem rather obvious, so I'd like to check first if it's something that everybody encounters? Testing Ubuntu Lucid Lynx Alpha 3: - After booting the Desktop CD, a dialog with "A volume with softeware packages has been detected" comes up. Not very welcoming to a new user launching the Desktop Cd.. This dialog should shown at all when running a live CD and certainly not should the live CD "detect itself". - The installer has a button "Update the installer". When I press it while there is no network connection, it shows some dialog running some update, but after that nothing happends and the button just goes grey. I'd expect it to complain about not beeing able to connect to the repo servers. - After I press "Next" on the last screen of the installer (where it shows a listing about what it's about to do) the installer windows just disappears and nothing happends. It does not leave any processes running and it didn't install anything. Tested this again today and the problem is still there. (I finally installed Lucid with the alternative disc text-mode installer.) - After an update yesterday the boot process ends up in a black screen with a cursor blinking. Going to a command line console with Alt+Ctrl+F1 and back to X with F7 unravels the desktop, where everything seems fine (I've enabled autologin). - While using Lucid, many apps just plain crash and bring up the automatic crash reportin tool. Are all the apps I've tried buggy or is there some background mechanism that crashes a lot of stuff? - On one computer the sound volume icon is grey (muted) even though the sound works fine and I can increase/decrease the volume with hardware keys and there is correct on screen feedback. On another computer I tried the sound volume icon works correctly. - Playing DVD's is difficult. Totem correctly notifies that it's missing a the DSS-library then I insert a DVD, but it does not how to install it. Opening the help central from the blue question mark icon and setting "DVD" as the search term does not show anything relevant. Only expert user like me know how to install libdvdnav and then run the command line to install libdvdcss. Even after that Totem complains about a missing mpeg demuxer, but it does not suggest to install the missing codec. Again only an expert user like me understands to install some gstreamer codecs from Synaptic/apt-get. - The live CD seems to have both The Disk utility and GParted. The former alone would be enough. -- Otto Kekäläinen www.sange.fi -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Solang or Shotwell vs. F-Spot for Lucid
> Solang, Shotwell, and F-Spot are all fine image managers/organizers, > but the current plan is to work on F-Spot to get it to meet the > following needs: > * Quickly viewing images by folder [currently handled by EOG] > * Solang and F-Spot both have view-modes but still > require importing the image. Shotwell might not. > * Editing images without importing (Shotwell does this) > * Rotating [currently handled by EOG] > * Red-eye removal [currently handled by GIMP] > * Cropping [currently handled by GIMP] > * optional: Annotating (like making lolcat) [currently > handled by GIMP] > * optional: Painting on it [currently handled by GIMP] Resizing and saving the file in another file format are also common in-folder image manipulation tasks. Personally I prefer Gthumb over EOG or F-Spots view-mode, since it is fast, easy to use and has enough features. If I had the power, I'd replace EOG with Gthumb and make Gthumb the default program associated to all image file types. Current situation sucks. Even Windows XP's in-folder image manipulation is better.. Shotwell looks nice, but I'm a bit sceptic about new software and how mature they are. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Ubuntu Software Store: What it does, and how you can help
My vote is for "Software Center". Pros and cons: + "Software" is more general in meaning (more than just apps) and it seems to be the the most used term and already the term chosen at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareStore. + Some lawers could also claim that "AppCenter" is too close to Apple's "AppStore" and thus infridge on their trademark. + "Center" indicates the place of control and tells the user that "this is the place to do your software operations". I think this is exactly what the tools is about. + "Center" and does not hint that the user needs to buy the stuff like "Store" does. However, "Center" can also include items that require payment, since Center has a broad meaning. + "Center" is easy to translate. At least I can't think of any translation to "Store" in Finnish that could also mean "Warehouse". Also most of the world population who do not speak English as their primary langauge associate "Store" with a shop and not as a place where something is stored. If you want to rename something into store, then rename repositories into stores. - "Center" should be "Centre" in UK English, but I think this is such a small issue that you shouldn't bother. If some user is really annoyed by this, he/she can always switch to the UK English translated interface. -- | Otto Kekäläinen | http://www.sange.fi/ -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Gthumb as default image viewer?
Lainaus Alex Launi : > On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Otto Kekäläinen wrote: > >> Well, for advanced uses like you and me F-Spot is fine, but for normal home >> users it is too complicated. > > > Could you provide some evidence for this? F-spot's UI needs some serious We'll, I've migrated hundreds of Windows users into Ubuntu (I work for a Linux support company) and nine out of then users run into trouble when using Nautilus they try to open and/or manipulate images. On a fresh Ubuntu install I always install Gthumb and make it the default image viewer in Nautilus file associations. That fixes all the usability problems I've witnessed. I also work as a usability export in software development projects, and it's my professional opinion that Gthumb would be better than EOG. If you want to do usability testing yourself, try out this scenario: 1. prepare a folder with a lot of photos 2. ask the user to open that folder and do some tasks. for example: remove duplicate photos, rotate some image, crop/resize another etc. 3. copy that folder to a CD or USB and give it to you Step 2 is where users run into problems. At first when they doubleclick the image, the only function they can do is to rotate. After this users do various things, but most commonly they click the image with the secondary mouse button and select "open with". First they try F-spot which also only allows rotating (in single image viewing mode). Secondly they open Gimp and then they scream, that Linux is too complicated. If Gthumb is installed, steps 2 and 3 generate only minor problems and most users succeed with the task (based on what I've seen in real life situations). Or try this: as a user to import a file from their camera/phone to the computer, then resize it to fit under on megabyte and then mail it to you. With Gthumb's ability to manipulate images in place this is easy but with EOG or F-Spot users will not make it at all. Asking somebody to use Gimp for this simple task is overkill. > love, but the developers are working hard. Rather than have TWO photo > managers, one of which isn't such a great photo manager, it makes more sense Yep, we really don't need to photo _managers_. Howerver we need one proper photo viewer and at the moment, Gthumb is the only one with all the most commonly needed features. > to file bugs on f-spot, and *make it *less complicated. Maybe you could > point out some specific areas where you feel it's lacking for users. I > wouldn't call myself an advanced photo user at all, I just use it for minor > tagging, slide shows, and exporting to facebook/flickr. If I'd file a bug, that the file hierarchy should be changed so, that imported folder remain and single folders, do you think they would do the change? Touching the filesystem is a major change in architecture and that is not something they'll do (I presume). However it could be worth to file a bug that the single image viewer mode should have more features, like cropping and resizing. > Also it has one huge drawback: it saves all the pictures in a folder >> structure based on months and dates. This makes it really hard to browse a >> F-Spot archive from the filesystem or from any other image viewer. > > > I agree. This is really annoying. Jep, this is the biggest drawback and I don't think they'll change this, because the whole idea with F-Spot is to forget the old file hierarchy and move on to tagging based work model. >> I know tagging is the superior way to file and sort your images, but the >> case for normal home (and business) users is that they still like to think >> about their image collections as folders. > > I'm pretty sure this isn't true. Folders confuse the hell out of everyone. > They only think about them this way because it's all they've ever had. This > is bigger than f-spot however and needs dealt with at the file system/file > browser level. Sure folders confuse, but since users anyway browse their files in Nautilus in the first place, jumping to F-Spot to manipulate an image in a folder really messes up the users head. >> F-Spot sucks at browsing images in folders and to get all the benefits of >> F-Spot you need to import the images first into the collection. That is an >> extra step.. > > Not really, it's probably fewer steps because you don't need to navigate > folders once you've imported whereas with a folder based one you're going in > and out of directories. Yes, but if you have images somewhere else, like on a CD, on a network drive, on your phones memory card, on a USB stick etc and you start out in Nautilus, doing an import to F-Spot is an extra step. >>> Anyway at current Ubuntu d
Re: Gthumb as default image viewer?
Lainaus Bryan Quigley : > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyReducingDuplication > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2008-January/003055.html > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2008-January/003068.html > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/No-Mono-by-Default?action=recall&rev=44 Thanks Brian for these! It seems as if they've seen Gthumb and F-Spot as dupicates of each other. However to me EOG and Gthumb are duplicates and of those, the feature poor version got chosen. I don't think there would be a big problem if Gthumb and F-Spot would be both as defaults, as long as EOG would be removed. F-Spot could handle the image imports from cameras and the general photo collection management stuff, while Gthumb would be used then users browse with Nautilus and from there to open single files (and possibly do some small editing). -- Otto Kekäläinen www.sange.fi -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Gthumb as default image viewer?
Lainaus Alex Launi : > On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Otto Kekäläinen wrote: >> From my experiences I'd say that importing digital images to your >> computer and managing them is as common as using e-mail or playing >> music on the computer, and Ubuntu should handle those tasks by default >> as well as possible. That is not the case at the moment.. >> > > Not really, f-spot does this fantastically. Well, for advanced uses like you and me F-Spot is fine, but for normal home users it is too complicated. Also it has one huge drawback: it saves all the pictures in a folder structure based on months and dates. This makes it really hard to browse a F-Spot archive from the filesystem or from any other image viewer. I know tagging is the superior way to file and sort your images, but the case for normal home (and business) users is that they still like to think about their image collections as folders. F-Spot sucks at browsing images in folders and to get all the benefits of F-Spot you need to import the images first into the collection. That is an extra step.. Anyway at current Ubuntu defaults, the Eye of Gnome opens all jpg-images, and that is not good. Gthumb would be much better. Neither the the EOG nor F-Spot (in single image viewing mode) allows for any other functions than rotation. Cropping, resizing etc is missing - but can can be found in Gthumb. That is features you can actually find even in the default Windows Vista file browser, so I think this should really get some attention. Can anybody answer to my original question: who makes the decision about this and to who should I present my case? Some body at Gnome? -- Otto Kekäläinen www.sange.fi -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Gthumb as default image viewer?
Hello, I've been wondering why isn't Gthumb the default image viewer? Eye of Gnome is unable to do the most common manipulations on a image, like cropping and resizing. Gthumb is also good at managing a photo collection in case the user does not want to use F-Spot, which is problematic in some cases. From my experiences I'd say that importing digital images to your computer and managing them is as common as using e-mail or playing music on the computer, and Ubuntu should handle those tasks by default as well as possible. That is not the case at the moment.. -- Otto Kekäläinen www.sange.fi -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: New style of desktop!
ke, 2009-06-17 kello 00:21 +0200, Nordin Ingenieur kirjoitti: > > What do you think about it? It is a good idea to mimic something that is familiar to users (in this case the mobile phone) but your suggestion did not appeal to me that much. However I like to encourage everybody with new ideas to develop them, because sometimes those with a vision can make something great even though others don't see the point initially. Maybe you could code a prototype or feed you ideas to some UI team, like http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell or some similar group at KDE. Although I should warn, that these teams don't automatically listen to every idea thrown at them, so you should at first help them out with something and only after you proven yourself to be competent start intoducing them to your ideas. If you don't have time to develop you ideas yourself, maybe you could donate some money to some team that you feel is worthy..? BTW, the idea that the start button should launch the meny is good and I wonder why it is not in use (Alt+F1 does the thing but it's not very intuitive). I'd make a bug report about the issue, but I don't know who decides about these key binings (a FreeDesktop.org standard or Gnome or..?). -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [ubuntu-web] Girl gets Ubuntu on a Dell by mistake, absolutely hates it...
Hello, I'd have to agree with Tomasz and MTP: this is the least of our priorities and the suggestion how to improve this bit is highly arguable and not necessary an improvement at all. Can you prove with some usability study or similar that this wording is really misunderstood by an large amount of people? Would this new wording fix the issue or just make another new group of people confused? To me software library of software catalogue does not give an information "scent" that it would be possible to add programs trough it. It does not sound more like just a list of available applications I already have. Also as a Finnish translator I recognise, that translating this new term to bee any more precise than "add/remove" is difficult. I think the real issue here is not wording - the real issue here is that the whole concept of being able to install any program out of a selection of thousands of programs for totally free is not what Windows users are used to. We need to educate people about software repositories and how package management work, and I frankly don't think that the wording of this item has much of value in that quest. There are however many places where usability improvements could make Ubuntu much more attractive, e.g.: - Grub is text-only and not translated: can't we greet new Ubuntu users with anything friendlier? - The default image viewr Eye of Gnome does not provide the usual image manipulation features even newbie users need, like crop, resize and adjust colors, while F-Spot is resource hungry and it's way of putting all of the users photos in hundreds of different folders makes it very uncompatible to be cross-used with other image prosessing programs. My recommendation would be to make Gthumb should be the default image viewer: it has enough features but it's still simple. Try it! - Gimp is getting better, but it still brakes the basic windowing model. It should have just one big window with the child windows within rather than the confusing monster it now is. It should take example of OpenOffice.org in how child windows are managed. - The are two annoyning usability bugs in Nautilus: -- When in file operations a file with the same filename replaces an older file and a user is asked for confirmation, the old file should be sent to the Trash folder like other files that get deleted by user action. -- When a user copies files from a CD or DVD (which is mounted read-only), the files _stay_ read-only even though after copying the reside in the users on home directory. Then when the user wants to move or edit the files, Nautilus does not allow it and users just can't figure out why. - DVD-menus still don't work in Nautilus! - In some situations the password manager of Gnome starts asking for a new global password for the password database, and even for experienced Linux-activists like me the logic is hard (and undocumented). It would be better it the password manager would always open by default after login, unless the user specifies else in her preferences. ..just a few to mention.. So I hope we could fix bigger issues first than smaller issues, which aren't even broken. Although it is good that people present new ideas all the time! ;) And what comes to the Dell girls case: usability can't fix everything. Users are still going to need some education and personal support service providers (since people are not going to read documentation and they forget their education). -- | Otto Kekäläinen | http://www.sange.fi/ -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Firefox 3.0 needs to show 'Icons and Text' by default in the toolbar
I support Brett's view. Novice users need to read button labels. If you really want to save screen estate, remove the bookmark panel, since novice users seldom use it. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Hover highlight effect inconsistency with GNOME applets.
to, 2008-12-11 kello 15:22 +0100, Tomasz Dominikowski kirjoitti: > > Any thoughts, suggestions, explanations? I haven't noticed this before, but you are right: the highlight behaviour is inconsistent. At the moment I'd suggest we try to highlight everything that is clickable in the panels. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
updated spec about out-of-the-box special key code support
Hello, I updated the spec I drafted. Originally I hadn't all the technical workings clear but thanks to your comments I think the spec should be doable now: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/IRRemoteControlSupport It probably isn't perfect yet. I'm just a usability designer so I don't know exactly the inner workings of Xorg's key sym handling, but I did actually write a remote control driver, so I know something about Linux key codes. Howerver the thing I know best is what the user experience should be like. I hope at least that part is clear enough in the spec. I want to get rid of Lirc completely and just do everything with good defaults programmed in linux HID drivers. Thanks for your time! -- | Otto Kekäläinen | http://www.sange.fi/ -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: new spec drafted: support for IR remote controls - comments needed!
Hello, su, 2008-09-07 kello 20:01 +0200, Wouter Stomp kirjoitti: > On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Otto Kekäläinen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I noticed that the IR remote control support in current Linux > > applications suck. Actually fixing the matter is quite easy, so I > > drafted a spec and a plan how to go about it: > > > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/IRRemoteControlSupport > > > > Comments? > > > > Fedora just implemented this for their upcoming release. You can > probably reuse most of their work. > > See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/BetterLIRCSupport > > And perhaps there could even be a feature freeze exception to include > gnome-lirc-properties in intrepid? It seems really useful. Thanks for a quick reply! However I think you missed my point. My suggestion was to skip lirc completely - the applications can support special key codes directly, since the key codes come from the Linux input layer. There wouldn't be _any_ need for configuration. Just plug in the input device (which does not even need to be a remote - also multimedia keyboards and multimedia mouses work) and press the buttons to get playing. The most elegant solution would be to support these key codes out-of-the-box with most media applications, since they won't cause any overhead or conflicts with any normal keyboards / input devices. Then the lirc specific stuff could be in lirc plugins for non input-device-users. BTW, I've tried the Gnome-lirc-properties app a few day ago, and at least on my computer it refuses to recognize my remote control and insists to use my mouse (event4) as the input device (and I can't manually force it to use /dev/input/event6). Also there is no need to select what remote to use, since the driver already puts out the correct button actions (key codes) through linux-input-device. Selecting the device would be enough. However I wouldn't want to select just one device - I want all of my devices to work (keyboard, mouse, remote). No matter how I look at this, the best solution would be to skip lirc and support the special key codes in the applications directly. -- | Otto Kekäläinen | http://www.sange.fi/ -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
new spec drafted: support for IR remote controls - comments needed!
Hello, I noticed that the IR remote control support in current Linux applications suck. Actually fixing the matter is quite easy, so I drafted a spec and a plan how to go about it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/IRRemoteControlSupport Comments? -- | Otto Kekäläinen | http://www.sange.fi/ -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
