Re: Experience on switching to GNOME Shell
I'm agree with you marco; its a discussion with Gnome design, but it's necessary a solution before launch new ubuntu version. If you want I can prepare a report analyzing ergonomically with the current situation of Gnome what would be the best solution for all. I can include different solutions based on the way users use ubuntu and from companies. Could be a good argument for talking to the Gnome design team 2017-05-18 14:47 GMT+02:00 Marco Trevisan : > Il 18/05/2017 14:11, Javier Antonio Nisa Ávila ha scritto: > > The only thing I need to make it a fully usable desktop is the > > global menu, it's totally necessary. > > > > If we evaluate the ergonomic needs of a user of an operating system, > > what he needs most is a spacious visual sensation. The problem with the > > menu that now has gnome is that it loses a lot of space on the screen, > > if we add that the window is not maximized completely but it stays below > > the top bar we lose a large percentage of the screen. > > I quite agree with this... Although many apps are moving to hamburger > menus, still the vertical space used for that (especially when > maximized) is really a lot (http://i.imgur.com/P1HB2er.png). > > > If we want a true migration without complaints and good acceptance must > > develop the global menu and maximized windows. > > However... I'm sad to say, I don't think there's room for this. The > gnome design is moving to something else, and the headerbar presence in > multiple apps makes this quite hard. > > A way to merge apps headerbar with gnome panel when an app is maximized > could be an idea, but it's all something we should discuss with Gnome > design, instead of keeping the discussion just at Ubuntu level. > -- Javier Antonio Nisa Ávila / javier.nisa.av...@gmail.com / 654318170 -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Experience on switching to GNOME Shell
Il 18/05/2017 08:13, Till Kamppeter ha scritto: > I have also switched to GNOME Shell shortly after the Zesty release. > There I have also observed some problems which should get fixed for > Artful, especially problems with HiDPI (I have a QHD 2560x1440), like > having a tiny mouse pointer, some apps having tiny fonts, ... This is something we're doing to improve [1] that situation. [1] https://wiki.gnome.org/Hackfests/FractionalScaling2017 -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Experience on switching to GNOME Shell
Il 18/05/2017 14:11, Javier Antonio Nisa Ávila ha scritto: > The only thing I need to make it a fully usable desktop is the > global menu, it's totally necessary. > > If we evaluate the ergonomic needs of a user of an operating system, > what he needs most is a spacious visual sensation. The problem with the > menu that now has gnome is that it loses a lot of space on the screen, > if we add that the window is not maximized completely but it stays below > the top bar we lose a large percentage of the screen. I quite agree with this... Although many apps are moving to hamburger menus, still the vertical space used for that (especially when maximized) is really a lot (http://i.imgur.com/P1HB2er.png). > If we want a true migration without complaints and good acceptance must > develop the global menu and maximized windows. However... I'm sad to say, I don't think there's room for this. The gnome design is moving to something else, and the headerbar presence in multiple apps makes this quite hard. A way to merge apps headerbar with gnome panel when an app is maximized could be an idea, but it's all something we should discuss with Gnome design, instead of keeping the discussion just at Ubuntu level. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Experience on switching to GNOME Shell
Hi guys I've been working quite a bit with Gnome since it was announced, and the truth; The only thing I need to make it a fully usable desktop is the global menu, it's totally necessary. If we evaluate the ergonomic needs of a user of an operating system, what he needs most is a spacious visual sensation. The problem with the menu that now has gnome is that it loses a lot of space on the screen, if we add that the window is not maximized completely but it stays below the top bar we lose a large percentage of the screen. If we want a true migration without complaints and good acceptance must develop the global menu and maximized windows. I know that you are going to tell me, that this is not a priority and that there are other issues that at the level of code may be more important; But let's not forget that this lives thanks to the users and this is a need that is screaming. -- Javier Antonio Nisa Ávila / javier.nisa.av...@gmail.com / 654318170 -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Experience on switching to GNOME Shell
On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:42 PM Daniel van Vugt < daniel.van.v...@canonical.com> wrote: > > So I would log enhancement ideas in launchpad, with some tag like > 'gnome-18.04'... > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bugs > But that's just me. > > I agree logging things in Launchpad is useful, and there are certainly obvious things on the list that I'll do that for. The problem with everyone tagging things is we get a giant list of random bugs that aren't necessarily common / worthwhile. This could be the first step though, and the list then culled down. I guess there's I'm looking for: - Are there things that we have experienced in common that suggest they're good things to fix? - Are these things fixable by us? - What is a realistic set of things we would like to be seen done by 18.04? --Robert -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Experience on switching to GNOME Shell
On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 9:42 PM, Daniel van Vugt wrote: > So I would log enhancement ideas in launchpad, with some tag like > 'gnome-18.04'... >https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bugs The gnome-17.10 tag is already in use for bugs that are potential targets for fixing this cycle along with the GNOME transition: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=gnome-17.10 Thanks, Jeremy -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Experience on switching to GNOME Shell
On 17 May 2017 at 23:28, Robert Ancell wrote: > Hi all, > > I've been using GNOME Shell for about a month now and I've had open a Google > Doc that I've been using to list down the things that I would like to see > resolved by 18.04 to ship a great experience. > > Now I have a bit of a list, I'm wondering what the most productive way is to > use this. I'm hesitant to just post it here, because that will likely end up > in a big bikeshedding [1] session... Does anyone else have such a list; > should we look for a method to combine them? > > I know there's a survey in progress for GNOME Shell extensions [1] and > someone mentioned a papercut project would be a good idea (can't find a > link). We can make a Trello board too. Any other ideas? > I do too have a google doc with things I am afraid to share. I only switched my non-main laptop to gnome shell. I have no idea how to curate it. Ideally, I would like to share it with the Ubuntu Gnome Desktop team privately such that this lot could quickly veto things, and then only publish publically non straight out of the bat vetoed things. Because I think it would be much better if the second pair of eyes skims through the list of issues I have, and quickly censors obvious land mines. -- Regards, Dimitri. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Experience on switching to GNOME Shell
I started an attempt at culling the gnome-shell bug list down to a manageable size yesterday. The goal being to formulate a current and shorter list that is not overwhelmingly big or out of date. Then people can start to see the launchpad bug list as achievable and useful. Or at least something we can stop from having unbounded growth. So I would log enhancement ideas in launchpad, with some tag like 'gnome-18.04'... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bugs But that's just me. Staying where the users are is best for community involvement. And the community is much bigger (hence more powerful) than Canonical alone. But you have to give them a voice, which AFAIK is best achieved in the log of a launchpad bug. On 18/05/17 06:28, Robert Ancell wrote: Hi all, I've been using GNOME Shell for about a month now and I've had open a Google Doc that I've been using to list down the things that I would like to see resolved by 18.04 to ship a great experience. Now I have a bit of a list, I'm wondering what the most productive way is to use this. I'm hesitant to just post it here, because that will likely end up in a big bikeshedding [1] session... Does anyone else have such a list; should we look for a method to combine them? I know there's a survey in progress for GNOME Shell extensions [1] and someone mentioned a papercut project would be a good idea (can't find a link). We can make a Trello board too. Any other ideas? --Robert [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_triviality [2] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/05/ubuntu-desktop-gnome-extensions-survey-1710 -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Experience on switching to GNOME Shell
I have also switched to GNOME Shell shortly after the Zesty release. There I have also observed some problems which should get fixed for Artful, especially problems with HiDPI (I have a QHD 2560x1440), like having a tiny mouse pointer, some apps having tiny fonts, ... So it would be great to have a place to collect all the issues somewhere. Till On 05/17/2017 07:28 PM, Robert Ancell wrote: Hi all, I've been using GNOME Shell for about a month now and I've had open a Google Doc that I've been using to list down the things that I would like to see resolved by 18.04 to ship a great experience. Now I have a bit of a list, I'm wondering what the most productive way is to use this. I'm hesitant to just post it here, because that will likely end up in a big bikeshedding [1] session... Does anyone else have such a list; should we look for a method to combine them? I know there's a survey in progress for GNOME Shell extensions [1] and someone mentioned a papercut project would be a good idea (can't find a link). We can make a Trello board too. Any other ideas? --Robert [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_triviality [2] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/05/ubuntu-desktop-gnome-extensions-survey-1710 -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Experience on switching to GNOME Shell
Hi all, I've been using GNOME Shell for about a month now and I've had open a Google Doc that I've been using to list down the things that I would like to see resolved by 18.04 to ship a great experience. Now I have a bit of a list, I'm wondering what the most productive way is to use this. I'm hesitant to just post it here, because that will likely end up in a big bikeshedding [1] session... Does anyone else have such a list; should we look for a method to combine them? I know there's a survey in progress for GNOME Shell extensions [1] and someone mentioned a papercut project would be a good idea (can't find a link). We can make a Trello board too. Any other ideas? --Robert [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_triviality [2] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/05/ubuntu-desktop-gnome-extensions-survey-1710 -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
