Re: Naming sessions in Launchpad for UDS

2010-11-15 Thread Duncan McGreggor
On 11/10/2010 02:53 AM, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> (I know I'm very late to this discussion, but want to make sure this is
> clarified)
> 
> On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 03:27:29PM -0600, Duncan McGreggor wrote:
>> Let me break that down for easy viewing:
>>  * Application Developers
>>  * Application Selection and Defaults
>>  * Cloud
>>  * Development Process
>>  * Hardware Compatibility
>>  * Other
>>  * Ubuntu the Project
>>
>> We had 9 tracks last year and filled them pretty well. We're looking at
>> at 2 less this year (as defined above) and probably even more sessions
>> than last time (every year our material has grown).
> 
> If you missed it, you might want to review
> http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2010/05/27/rethinking-the-ubuntu-developer-summit/
> for some rationale for updating the format.
> 
> We haven't added or subtracted tracks; we've arranged them on a different
> axis.  Sessions are now listed by topic, rather than by which team happened
> to submit them.

Right, all that was understood. At the time that I wrote that email,
there were several significant inconsistencies between what was
originally proposed on the ubuntu-devel mail list, what was on the
tracks page, and the list of tracks on schedule page. Within a day, this
was reconciled.

>> Unless we're cutting out slots and pushing outlying session topics into
>> the community for discussions instead of proper UDS sessions...
> 
> We do not "push topics into the community", because we are part of the
> community.  UDS is a community event, and all of the sessions at UDS are
> "proper", whether they come from a Canonical engineering team like yours or
> an individual with a passionate interest in the subject.

Yeah, apologies for the poor phrasing on that. I was trying to
differentiate between sessions discussed at UDS and those discussed in a
less formal, non-UDS format.

d


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Re: Naming sessions in Launchpad for UDS

2010-11-10 Thread Matt Zimmerman
(I know I'm very late to this discussion, but want to make sure this is
clarified)

On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 03:27:29PM -0600, Duncan McGreggor wrote:
> Let me break that down for easy viewing:
>  * Application Developers
>  * Application Selection and Defaults
>  * Cloud
>  * Development Process
>  * Hardware Compatibility
>  * Other
>  * Ubuntu the Project
> 
> We had 9 tracks last year and filled them pretty well. We're looking at
> at 2 less this year (as defined above) and probably even more sessions
> than last time (every year our material has grown).

If you missed it, you might want to review
http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2010/05/27/rethinking-the-ubuntu-developer-summit/
for some rationale for updating the format.

We haven't added or subtracted tracks; we've arranged them on a different
axis.  Sessions are now listed by topic, rather than by which team happened
to submit them.

> Unless we're cutting out slots and pushing outlying session topics into
> the community for discussions instead of proper UDS sessions...

We do not "push topics into the community", because we are part of the
community.  UDS is a community event, and all of the sessions at UDS are
"proper", whether they come from a Canonical engineering team like yours or
an individual with a passionate interest in the subject.

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Re: Naming sessions in Launchpad for UDS

2010-10-14 Thread Duncan McGreggor
On 10/06/2010 11:31 AM, Jorge O. Castro wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> Now that I've gone and renamed a ton of blueprints and spammed you all
> let me explain the naming convention for blueprints, since the prior
> system both confused the scheduler AND people. The list of TRACKs are
> here: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-n/
> 
> You will note that Application Developers, Application Selection and
> Defaults, Cloud, Development Process, Hardware Compatibility, Other,
> Ubuntu the Project are the tracks. 

Let me break that down for easy viewing:
 * Application Developers
 * Application Selection and Defaults
 * Cloud
 * Development Process
 * Hardware Compatibility
 * Other
 * Ubuntu the Project

We had 9 tracks last year and filled them pretty well. We're looking at
at 2 less this year (as defined above) and probably even more sessions
than last time (every year our material has grown). Unless we're cutting
out slots and pushing outlying session topics into the community for
discussions instead of proper UDS sessions...

To dive into some concrete examples: I'm having a bit of a problem while
classifying various multi-touch, DX, and design sessions; the number of
sessions in "other" far outweighs all my other sessions combined. I have
several sessions that could be placed into a "Maintenance" track
(tracking work with upstreams, improving existing applications, QA,
etc.), into a "New Features" track, and an "Upstreams" track.

For example, there are some sessions I have where we need to define our
work with X.org. Others: we need to determine infrastructure for testing
(tools, frameworks, etc.), and we need to define APIs for use by toolkit
builders (i.e., not application developers). All of these are going into
"other" which, as a result, seems to be getting pretty overloaded.

Is anyone else having this problem as well? Marjo, where are your
sessions that target QA efforts for Natty going? Robbie and Colin, what
about maintenance tasks on Ubuntu software, stuff that isn't
specifically app selection/defaults? Rick and Desktop, what about all
the work that has to be done *on* applications in Natty, not just for
the *developers* of applications?

In other words, there seems to be a lot of great focus on vision for the
future and Ubuntu's initiatives, but I seem to have missed the
conversations that addressed the other important part of Ubuntu:
supporting and improving what's there (generally, I mean; there are some
tracks related to support and improvement of what's currently in Ubuntu,
but they have a narrow focus).

If those conversations did in fact take place (I'm not able to track all
the email exchanges on this list), and everyone else knows what's going
on, how about we put a summary of those findings and rationale for the
"missing" bits here?
  http://uds.ubuntu.com/tracks/

That way, everyone who wants to add a session can know definitively how
to classify it and what the likelihood of them running out of room in a
particular track will be.

Again, apologies if this has already been covered,

d

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Re: Naming sessions in Launchpad for UDS

2010-10-14 Thread Martin Owens
On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 10:24 -0400, Jorge O. Castro wrote:
>* Graphics

What kind of graphics is this? Art, design, xorg or any of those?

Martin,


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