Re: usplash and alternate resolutions

[Jan Claeys]

Op dinsdag 22-07-2008 om 22:10 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Oliver
Grawert:
> it would be awesome to have usplash doing more than it does now and
> would surely be appreciated by all of us if you sent a patch, just make
> sure that it doesnt break on the arches it runs on now (usplash
> supporting ppc, amd64 as well as i386 and not break resume was the
> initial reason to actually write it, else we could use something like
> splashy which is i386 only ... changing the code in a way that keeps it
> working on all arches it currently supports and not break
> suspend/resume alongside makes code changes in it so painful)

The main problem is probably changing video modes.  Maybe the new
kernel-based modesetting in recent drivers might help here though?



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Re: Mailing list filtering [Was: usplash and alternate resolutions]

[Jan Claeys]

Op dinsdag 22-07-2008 om 17:44 uur [tijdzone -0400], schreef Michael R.
Head:
> Recent mailman versions have learned to only send one by default, so
> it is necessary to configure it each time I sign up for a new mailing
> list. 

This default depends on the list admin.  I configure it to (by default)
send 2 mails when the sender explicitly asks for it.  ;)


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Re: transmission-1.30b1

[Scott Kitterman]

On Tuesday 22 July 2008 15:43:54 Kevin Bortis wrote:
> Hi, I have played the last two days with learning how to make a deb
> package. I tried it with transmission bittorrent client and the
> builded packages are seeming to work.
>
> So if the Maintainer of transmission likes to include the upcoming
> 1.30 release in Intrepid Ibex they could possibly just take the diff's
> from my files.
>
> What I have done:
> - Updated the package from 1.06 to 1.30b1 on hardy
> - Cleaned the debian/copyright file because a lot have changed
> - Added the new integrated web interface to transmission-common
>
> The experimental packages are in my PPA: https://launchpad.net/~bortis/
> +archive
>
> If you can't use it, then I have at least learned something about
> packaging :)

We already have 1.22 in Intrepid.  Unless 1.30 is going to be released before 
feature freeze, we probably don't want to update the package.

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Mailing list filtering [Was: usplash and alternate resolutions]

[Michael R. Head]

On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 22:20 +0100, Alexander Jones wrote:
> 
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2008-July/thread.html
> 
> Threading is intact, and the mailing list manager knows when I have
> Cc'd someone who is already on its list. You don't receive the same
> email twice for this reason, and if you have filters set up doing
> crazy things, you should fix those instead.

The problem is that the only reasonable way to filter mailing list posts
is to use the X-Mailing-List header. When the CCed email is sent, it
won't have that header in place and will miss that filter.

I actually prefer to receive two copies of the email (one from the
mailing list with headers intact, one directly from the sender). This is
actually a good thing, because mails that are directed at me via CC get
to my inbox and receive my direct attention, while a copy of the entire
list stays in the mailing list folder.

Recent mailman versions have learned to only send one by default, so it
is necessary to configure it each time I sign up for a new mailing
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Re: usplash and alternate resolutions

[Oliver Grawert]

Am Dienstag, den 22.07.2008, 22:20 +0100 schrieb Alexander Jones:
> 2008/7/22 Oliver Grawert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2008-July/thread.html
> 
> Threading is intact, and the mailing list manager knows when I have
> Cc'd someone who is already on its list. You don't receive the same
> email twice for this reason, and if you have filters set up doing
> crazy things, you should fix those instead.
you notice that the threading actually ends after your first post on
that webpage and all replies no matter who replied to whom show up as
replies to you, right ? 

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Re: usplash and alternate resolutions

[Cory K.]

Przemysław Kulczycki wrote:
> Well, Red Hat is dropping that splash (rhgb) in favour of Plymouth
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjU3OA
>

Thanz for the link. Though I'm sad to say this looks like another sad
example of FLOSS design. :(

There's no mention on the design of the aesthetic capabilities. What
"pretty" can all this code do?

But I guess this is a chat for another list. :P

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Re: usplash and alternate resolutions

[Alexander Jones]

2008/7/22 Oliver Grawert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> hi,
> Am Dienstag, den 22.07.2008, 21:00 +0100 schrieb Alexander Jones:
>> I'll dig into the code this evening and see what I can find.
>>
>> (Also, Reply to All is better because the people who I am replying to
>> have their names directly in the header.)
> but it breaks reply to list for everyone using a non broken client as
> well as sorting by mailinglist headers ...
> (which means in evolution or thunderbird that your reply ends up in
> inbox, you need to move it, edit the recipients field etc etc ... its
> quite painful to reply to you in a way that others can follow the thread
> and reply again (i could just hit reply to all and not care indeed, but
> i find it not realy polite to break the communication path for others,
> so i correct it before sending))

https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2008-July/thread.html

Threading is intact, and the mailing list manager knows when I have
Cc'd someone who is already on its list. You don't receive the same
email twice for this reason, and if you have filters set up doing
crazy things, you should fix those instead.

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Re: usplash and alternate resolutions

[Przemysław Kulczycki]

Cory K. pisze:

Alexander Jones wrote:

WHY are we using a giant image? The only image we need is the small
Ubuntu logo. We should center it on a black background and be done
with it.


Well there's the great design thinking right there.


If that needs changes to Usplash, let's do it!
  


There's been changes needed for a long time. Namely, actual widescreen
support. I'd personally like to see Fedora's splash used but some feel
that starting X is undesirable at that stage.


Well, Red Hat is dropping that splash (rhgb) in favour of Plymouth
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjU3OA

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Re: usplash and alternate resolutions

[Oliver Grawert]

hi,
Am Dienstag, den 22.07.2008, 21:00 +0100 schrieb Alexander Jones:
> I'll dig into the code this evening and see what I can find.
> 
> (Also, Reply to All is better because the people who I am replying to
> have their names directly in the header.)
but it breaks reply to list for everyone using a non broken client as
well as sorting by mailinglist headers ...
(which means in evolution or thunderbird that your reply ends up in
inbox, you need to move it, edit the recipients field etc etc ... its
quite painful to reply to you in a way that others can follow the thread
and reply again (i could just hit reply to all and not care indeed, but
i find it not realy polite to break the communication path for others,
so i correct it before sending))

but back on topic :)

it would be awesome to have usplash doing more than it does now and
would surely be appreciated by all of us if you sent a patch, just make
sure that it doesnt break on the arches it runs on now (usplash
supporting ppc, amd64 as well as i386 and not break resume was the
initial reason to actually write it, else we could use something like
splashy which is i386 only ... changing the code in a way that keeps it
working on all arches it currently supports and not break
suspend/resume alongside makes code changes in it so painful)

ciao
oli


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Re: usplash and alternate resolutions

[Alexander Jones]

I'll dig into the code this evening and see what I can find.

(Also, Reply to All is better because the people who I am replying to
have their names directly in the header.)

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Re: usplash and alternate resolutions

[Joe Terranova]

>> Why would it be an oval?
> it wouldnt if usplash would act like you describe below (which it doesnt)

> to achieve what you describe usplash needs code changes and someon who
> actually does them :)

We were already at that point. You were responding to Alexander's
post, which already recognized we'd probably need code changes for
that effect. I was responding directly to this:

>> WHY are we using a giant image? The only image we need is the small
>> Ubuntu logo. We should center it on a black background and be done
>> with it. If that needs changes to Usplash, let's do it!
> you miss the point a bit here, even in that case the logo would be oval
> instead of being a cycle, it's about the stretching that happens 

Suggesting that he missed the point, and it would be an oval
regardless of the logo being overlaid on black. My point being, if we
made those changes, usplash would work perfectly fine at any
resolution.

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transmission-1.30b1

[Kevin Bortis]

Hi, I have played the last two days with learning how to make a deb  
package. I tried it with transmission bittorrent client and the  
builded packages are seeming to work.


So if the Maintainer of transmission likes to include the upcoming  
1.30 release in Intrepid Ibex they could possibly just take the diff's  
from my files.


What I have done:
- Updated the package from 1.06 to 1.30b1 on hardy
- Cleaned the debian/copyright file because a lot have changed
- Added the new integrated web interface to transmission-common

The experimental packages are in my PPA: https://launchpad.net/~bortis/ 
+archive


If you can't use it, then I have at least learned something about  
packaging :)


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Re: usplash and alternate resolutions

[Oliver Grawert]

hi,
Am Dienstag, den 22.07.2008, 15:04 -0400 schrieb Joe Terranova:
> > you miss the point a bit here, even in that case the logo would be oval
> > instead of being a cycle, it's about the stretching that happens 
> 
> Why would it be an oval?
it wouldnt if usplash would act like you describe below (which it doesnt)

> on a 800x600 monitor, an 800x600 black background is generated, and
> the 300x200 logo overlaid on it (placed accordingly for our startup
> progress stuff to appear).
> 
> on a 1280x800 monitor, a 1280x800 black background is generated, and
> the 300x200 logo overlaid on it.
> 
> The point is for the logo to stay the same pixel size, regardless of
> resolution, or at least only grow at the correct ratio; if the ratio
> of the monitor is different than the ratio of the logo, use a black
> background to compensate.
> 
right, but usplash currently doesnt support overlaid logos, currently
you only have the "wallpaper" (which is a black pic with the logo on it)
and the progressbar ... usplash itself tries to display that in a 4:3
format which on a physical wide screen becomes a stretched 16:9 (or
16:10 or whatever phys. size your screen has) picture ... 

to achieve what you describe usplash needs code changes and someon who
actually does them :)

ciao
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Re: usplash and alternate resolutions

[Joe Terranova]

> you miss the point a bit here, even in that case the logo would be oval
> instead of being a cycle, it's about the stretching that happens 

Why would it be an oval?

a 300x200 logo

on a 800x600 monitor, an 800x600 black background is generated, and
the 300x200 logo overlaid on it (placed accordingly for our startup
progress stuff to appear).

on a 1280x800 monitor, a 1280x800 black background is generated, and
the 300x200 logo overlaid on it.

The point is for the logo to stay the same pixel size, regardless of
resolution, or at least only grow at the correct ratio; if the ratio
of the monitor is different than the ratio of the logo, use a black
background to compensate.

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Re: usplash and alternate resolutions

[Mackenzie Morgan]

On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Oliver Grawert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hi,
> Am Dienstag, den 22.07.2008, 19:27 +0100 schrieb Alexander Jones:
>> WHY are we using a giant image? The only image we need is the small
>> Ubuntu logo. We should center it on a black background and be done
>> with it. If that needs changes to Usplash, let's do it!
> you miss the point a bit here, even in that case the logo would be oval
> instead of being a cycle, it's about the stretching that happens 
>
> ciao
>oli
>
> PS: no need to CC me, i'm subscribed to the list

Their  mail client likely lacks a Reply to List, so they use Reply to
All.  GMail is like this.  I manually move the address, but it's an
extra step.

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Re: usplash and alternate resolutions

[Oliver Grawert]

hi,
Am Dienstag, den 22.07.2008, 19:27 +0100 schrieb Alexander Jones:
> WHY are we using a giant image? The only image we need is the small
> Ubuntu logo. We should center it on a black background and be done
> with it. If that needs changes to Usplash, let's do it!
you miss the point a bit here, even in that case the logo would be oval
instead of being a cycle, it's about the stretching that happens 

ciao
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Re: usplash and alternate resolutions

[Cory K.]

Alexander Jones wrote:
> WHY are we using a giant image? The only image we need is the small
> Ubuntu logo. We should center it on a black background and be done
> with it.

Well there's the great design thinking right there.

> If that needs changes to Usplash, let's do it!
>   

There's been changes needed for a long time. Namely, actual widescreen
support. I'd personally like to see Fedora's splash used but some feel
that starting X is undesirable at that stage.

-Cory


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Re: usplash and alternate resolutions

[Alexander Jones]

WHY are we using a giant image? The only image we need is the small
Ubuntu logo. We should center it on a black background and be done
with it. If that needs changes to Usplash, let's do it!

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Re: usplash and alternate resolutions

[Oliver Grawert]

hi,
Am Dienstag, den 22.07.2008, 13:27 -0400 schrieb Bill Filler:
> Hello,
> Does anyone know if there is work underway in usplash to support 
> resolutions such as 1024x600 and 1280x800 (without stretching the 
> image), which are proving to be quite common in the netbook space? If 
> not, any hints as to the efforts of adding this support would be 
> appreciated.
you can abuse the existing images and squeeze them into the right
resolution, i.e. on the classmate i used to have an image that
registered itself as 640x480 but was in fact a 640x400 image ... its
massively painful to maintain though and indeed breaks the 640x480
default image i guess thats solvable with a *-artwork-usplash-wide
package though, that contains the fake resolutions and replaces
*-artwork-usplash

ciao
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usplash and alternate resolutions

[Bill Filler]

Hello,
Does anyone know if there is work underway in usplash to support 
resolutions such as 1024x600 and 1280x800 (without stretching the 
image), which are proving to be quite common in the netbook space? If 
not, any hints as to the efforts of adding this support would be 
appreciated.

Thanks,

Bill

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RE: Firefox crash issue in Ubuntu

[Ruchi Lohani]

Ignore this post.

 

Thanks

 

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Ruchi Lohani
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 1:49 PM
To: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Firefox crash issue in Ubuntu 

 

I was just wondering what was the fix made for this bug of firefox crash
in ubuntu ?
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/108929
 


The last comment by Alexander Sack says that "should be fixed by one of
the nss updates we released"

I confirmed with the mozilla NSS team and it is not related to NSS. Are
there any fixes in ubuntu ? 

 

I am continuously getting the same crash on firefox on Ubuntu hardy with
the following trace with a crash in send system call - 

#1 0xb7f0de38 in send () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libpthread.so.0
#2 0xb7b73f53 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libnspr4.so.0d
#3 0xb6f31255 in ssl_DefSend (ss=0xb3180330, buf=0xb3185940
"\025\003\001", len=23, flags=0) at ssldef.c:128
#4 0xb6f21f4c in ssl3_SendRecord (ss=0xb3180330, type=, pIn=0xb5c8a00a "\001", nIn=2, flags=0)
  at ssl3con.c:2041
#5 0xb6f223be in SSL3_SendAlert (ss=0xb3180330, level=alert_warning,
desc=) at ssl3con.c:2296
#6 0xb6f34f62 in ssl_SecureClose (ss=0xb3180330) at sslsecur.c:1015
#7 0xb6f39847 in ssl_Close (fd=0x8e5e248) at sslsock.c:1405
#8 0xb76aae49 in ?? () from /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9/libxul.so
#9 0xb769d190 in ?? () from /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9/libxul.so
#10 0xb76aa525 in ?? () from /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9/libxul.so
#11 0xb7b5a131 in PR_Close () from /usr/lib/libnspr4.so.0d
#12 0xb712a6fa in ?? () from /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9/libxul.so
#13 0xb712c2e4 in ?? () from /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9/libxul.so
#14 0xb712e303 in ?? () from /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9/libxul.so
#15 0xb712eb40 in ?? () from /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9/libxul.so
#16 0xb712ebbc in ?? () from /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9/libxul.so
#17 0xb789c43a in ?? () from /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9/libxul.so
#18 0xb786b9f6 in ?? () from /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9/libxul.so
#19 0xb712ee8c in ?? () from /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9/libxul.so
#20 0xb789c496 in ?? () from /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9/libxul.so
#21 0xb786ba83 in ?? () from /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9/libxul.so
#22 0xb789c857 in ?? () from /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9/libxul.so
#23 0xb7b767fa in ?? () from /usr/lib/libnspr4.so.0d
#24 0xb7f064fb in start_thread () from
/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libpthread.so.0

 

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Re: Pulseaudio/Jack in Ubuntu Hardy

[samk]

See Thread at: http://www.techienuggets.com/Detail?tx=34200 Posted on behalf of 
a User

> In Ubuntu Studio we have a wrapper script around jackd to stop Pulse for
> JACK and restart it once done. This is what most users have wanted based
> on feedback.

Where do I find this wrapper script?  I use ubuntu studio hardy on amd64, and 
am just starting to play with jack, ardour, hydrogen, and the constellation of 
stuff out there.  so far it seems that i have to kill pulseaudio from the 
command line (ps thru grep to find then kill via pid); start ardour, jack, et 
al, and when done I seem to have to LOG OUT and BACK IN to get pulse audio 
back.  Yech.  Not to mention the whole log on/off processes take way too long 
to begin with.  This script sounds like a headache saver; how do I get it and 
use it?

Thanks in advance,

Tim

In Response To: 

Hi!

I had a problem with ardour/jack/pulseaudio in Ubuntu Hardy and I was 
told to take it to the mailing list. I cc'd parties that may be 
interested. Please ignore this mail if you are not.

The related bugs in Launchpad are:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ardour/+bug/220576
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/214256

The problem is that ardour as installed by "aptitude install ardour" 
doesn't work. Recording is possible but playback doesn't work.
I was able to resolve the issue by manually starting jack with "jackd -d 
alsa".

My only concern is a working ardour after installing. For me it is 
extremely annoying to have manually fiddling with jackd.
I also do not care about latency or similar stuff.
I also imagine a new user (read composer/musician) to linux who 
immediately returns to windows after playback in ardour doesn't work.

Also it is not possible to use for example mplayer and ardour at the 
same time.

I was told that configuration of jack is a non-trivial thing to do 
because a professional user normally has a second sound card and jack 
has to be configured to use that (professional) equipment.

My opinion is that it should be possible to provide a _default_ 
configuration where jackd connects to pulseaudio (this is what 
module-jack-source is for, right?).

Let me repeat my two concerns:

1. Ardour in Ubuntu Hardy doesn't work out of the box
2. It is not possible to use mplayer and ardour at the same time

I believe it is possible manually fix this up but I have still the 
opinion that it should be possible to provide a simple default 
configuration.
So please convince me that I'm wrong (and it isn't possible to have a 
working ardour on a notebook) or tell me how this can be resolved.
You put so much hard work into ardour/jack/pulseaudio that it should not 
  fail because of a small configuration mistake.

Thanks for your work/ideas/help,

Gonz


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Re: acpi-support: Lock screen with dbus during resume

[Chris Jones]

Hi

Dennis Jansen wrote:
> A slightly adapted version of /etc/acpi/resume.d/90-xscreensaver.sh.

How come this happens on resume?
When I suspend my screen fades to black and then suspends (implying that 
the screen was locked), but on resume my desktop is shown briefly before 
locking.
I don't tend to have anything horrifically incriminating on display 
anyway, but it seems a bit odd.

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