Re: Feature suggestions: optionally placing home folder into separate partition during ubuntu install
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Daniel Gross daniel.gr...@utoronto.cawrote: Hello Phill, I think you can compare the benefit of having user folder on a separate partition to users having a backup. Most of the time a user does not need the backup. But when the unforeseen event occurs that requires a restore, then those users who have a backup will clearly benefit. Similarly, those users who loose access to the boot partition (such as due to a hard disk crash) will clearly benefit from having the data on a separate partition. At last in my case i could have restored a working system much more easily without data loss. In the future when bandwidth will increase and off site backup of all data stored on a, say, 300 GB hard drive become common, then i guess a separate data partition will lose its necessity. thanks, Daniel Daniel, having a separate partition for /home does not not improve data protection in any way, it does not provide backups and the data access is not isolated. Your case would not be better with a different partition, whatever caused you the ext4 corruption could happen to your home partition as well, or both. For disaster situations like yours (unrecoverable file system corruption) a proper solution is to have backups. -- João Luís Marques Pinto GetDeb Team Leader http://www.getdeb.net http://blog.getdeb.net -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Feature suggestions: optionally placing home folder into separate partition during ubuntu install
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Evan Huus eapa...@gmail.com wrote: This is an important point. The 'average' user isn't going to be able to take advantage of a separate home partition, even if the installer does it automatically for them. Reinstalling while preserving user data is already possible with a single / partition, and more complicated recovery operations (such as the one which started this thread) are not going to occur to someone who doesn't know enough to manually partition in the first place. Admittedly, the installer could make it easier for power-users to divide up their partitions without specifying every detail manually, but I don't think it would provide any functional benefit, just usability benefit. Evan And let's not forget that for those who don't need/understand what is a separate home partition, choosing to do so is likely to become a problem in the future when the partition sizing is found to be incorrect/insufficient. IMHO for 'regular' users the ability to reinstall without wiping the /home surpasses most of the benefits of using an isolated partition. -- João Luís Marques Pinto GetDeb Team Leader http://www.getdeb.net http://blog.getdeb.net -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Feature suggestions: optionally placing home folder into separate partition during ubuntu install
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hi Joao, the same would apply to the option of encrypting their home area, which is on the install CD and causes no end of grief on support. They get the option of that, but not a seperate /home partition? Bearing in mind we are dealing mostly with Windows users, is the encryption part really needed as a default question - or only available in advanced? Regards, Phill. Hi Phill, I don't have data to support this, but a significant part of today's devices are mobile devices. I truly believe that the risk of keeping unencrypted data on a mobile device is so high that encryption more than an option should be a default. Encryption provides a clear and unarguable benefit for most users. I am not sure to which support problems are you referring to, unless you are doing low level file management (advanced user), home encryption is transparent. I am sorry but I am unable to identify any clear benefit for most users to keep the data on a different partition. -- João Luís Marques Pinto GetDeb Team Leader http://www.getdeb.net http://blog.getdeb.net -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: project for installation
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Bavithra R bavithr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi friends I would like to create an application which extracts,configures,sets the path for installation and install any software package that is downloaded in the .tar.gz format or any other. This is because if we download that package in one system we could be able to install using it in other system which has no net access.Also it would be easier for the common people who are not aware of terminal commands. Yeah ofcourse we have ubuntu software centre and synaptic package manager for easy software installation.But internet is needed in both the cases. I mean like sharing the downloaded package among friends and to install them easily just by a single click in a system which has no internet access. Is there any such application?Or can I proceed with my project? Can anybody help me out. Thanks in advance regards --Bavithra.R -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss Hello, please check http://debcreator.cmsoft.net/ . Best regards, -- João Luís Marques Pinto GetDeb Team Leader http://www.getdeb.net http://blog.getdeb.net -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu AppUpdate
Ryan, while your first answer demonstrated you are not properly informed on the technical aspects of either the proper Ubuntu archives or PPAs, this second one show you don't have any clue about how GetDeb works. Anyway I was just trying to point you in what I believed to be a better direction. If you still believe there is a real benefit on your project I just wish you the best luck. Having another project using apt-portal it's a great collaboration opportunity. Best regards, -- João Luís Marques Pinto GetDeb Team Leader http://www.getdeb.net http://blog.getdeb.net -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu AppUpdate
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 11:57 PM, Ryan Oram ryano...@trentu.ca wrote: On Fri Jul 9 23:08:14 BST 2010, Joshua Timberman wrote: Actually, the difference is that sbuild uses schroot with LVM snapshots for the chroot environments. It's quite a nice, elegant system and I prefer it to pbuilder for developing packages. Ya, I can definitely see why sbuild would be used for an automated build environment. It's quite a bit more customizable and better designed for industrial use. These differences aren't really all that relevant to individual developers though. sbuild and pbuilder both build in a chroot environment and if a package will build on one, it will very likely be able to build on the other. I'm probably going to use pbuilder for locally checking if the packages build in a chroot. The commands for pbuilder are very similar to those of debuild and it's quite a bit easier to use. It's more than enough for testing to see if the packages will build when uploaded to Launchpad, which is really all I would use it for. sbuild would be overkill for my individual use. - Anyways, looking over both the projects of GetDeb and AppUpdate, they compliment each other more than they duplicate. GetDeb seems to build most of their own packages, while AppUpdate pulls them directly from the developer PPAs. This allows GetDeb to have more packages than AppUpdate, but this also allows for AppDate to have more up to date packages. Comparing the packages present on both GetDeb and AppUpdate, the packages on AppUpdate are a bit newer. My service will build very little on its own, as I feel that building the packages should be the responsibility of the developer. The goal of AppUpdate is to aggregrate the ~20 PPAs many Ubuntu users have in their sources, while giving the packages some extra testing to prevent the breakages that arise when a developer pushes a broken package to their PPA. Its main focus is to be a one stop place for Ubuntu users to get the latest applications for their install, without the risks of broken packages. Links to the AppUpdate PPAs: Stable: https://launchpad.net/~infinity-team/+archive/appupdate-stablehttps://launchpad.net/%7Einfinity-team/+archive/appupdate-stable Testing: https://launchpad.net/~infinity-team/+archive/appupdate-testinghttps://launchpad.net/%7Einfinity-team/+archive/appupdate-testing Thanks, Ryan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss I am sorry but you are not correct, GetDeb only does packaging when such is required, we try to avoid redundant work and package forking. Re-using Ubuntu, Debian and PPAs building rules is a requirement if you intend to minimize dependency conflicts with official packages. However we will not use a developer's PPA or someone else build rules if we don't find them to have sufficient quality. We did a lot packaging because we have provided many applications before they were packaged anywhere else. João Luís Marques Pinto GetDeb Team Leader http://www.getdeb.net http://blog.getdeb.net -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu AppUpdate
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Ryan Oram ryano...@trentu.ca wrote: On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 17:45 -0400 BST, Joao Pinto joao.pi...@getdeb.net wrote: Why set up another project instead of participating in GetDeb ? What do you expect to achieve with Ubuntu AppUpdate that you can't with GetDeb ? I believe I sent you an e-mail asking if your team wanted to collaborate. (I sent one to the author of Ubuntu Tweak as well) I am sorry didn't noticed your mail prior to this one, anyway my questions remain. My main concern with GetDeb is that uploading packages to your service doesn't seem to be a concrete or transparent process. I also would Did you read http://wiki.getdeb.net/AutomatedBuildSystem ? We have experienced some hosting problems on the last couple of months which had a major impact on our availability, we expect to recover full operationally soon. like to encourage developers to make their packages using Launchpad/PPAs as Launchpad requires all packages to be built using pbuilder and has a number of safety checks in place. Our packages use sbuild (I believe the official archive also uses it), I am not aware of safety checks applied at PPAs, can you ellaborate ? I feel that an official and documented process for package creation, testing and distribution is crucial. As such I have based the Ubuntu AppUpdate process on Debian's process of pushing packages from Unstable to Testing, while using Launchpad to make the documentation readily available to users. You may have a documented process as we do for quite some time but I find it very unlikely that it will ever be Official as that requires Canonical/Ubuntu community approval and I really don't see your project aligned with the current official plans/projects like the software center opportunistic applications, daily builds etc. I would be more than happy to collaborate with your team, if you guys are willing. Feel free to join our team :) Thanks, Ryan GetDeb has some objectives common to what you are proposing, it has been successful in many aspects, failed in some others, the current team is very small but with a long experience. I think it would be more beneficial for the community to join instead of divide. Thanks -- João Luís Marques Pinto GetDeb Team Leader http://www.getdeb.net http://blog.getdeb.net -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu AppUpdate
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 11:59 PM, Ryan Oram ryano...@trentu.ca wrote: On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Joao Pinto joao.pi...@getdeb.net wrote: Did you read http://wiki.getdeb.net/AutomatedBuildSystem ? We have experienced some hosting problems on the last couple of months which had a major impact on our availability, we expect to recover full operationally soon. Our packages use sbuild (I believe the official archive also uses it), I am not aware of safety checks applied at PPAs, can you ellaborate ? Ubuntu, Debian, and all Launchpad PPAs use pbuilder to create their packages. The packages are built on a virtual server to ensure integrity and consistency. The process is essentially cellular division: a VM is created, the build dependencies are downloaded and installed, the software is built from source, the package is uploaded to your PPA, and the VM is deleted. It's really what made me fall for Ubuntu. :P debuild is not nearly as robust. pbuilder, as it builds packages in a chroot environment, forces developers to check that their build scripts are not static and forces them to verify that all the package dependencies are listed in the package. It also runs lintian, to verify that the packages follow Debian/Ubuntu policy to the t. The last time I have checked pbuilder used chroots just as sbuild does, where can I read about the VM technology used for the PPAs ? How does it improve package quality compared to a regular chroot based build ? The dependency and scripts validation being specific to pbuilder is not correct, that depends on installing the package in a clean chroot, something that we do with sbuild. It is now a requirement that all official Debian packages are generated via pbuilder and I believe it has been a requirement for inclusion into the Ubuntu repositories since Ubuntu's inception. I am sorry, but again that is not correct, please check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing;, search for Build the package with sbuild https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SbuildLVMHowto or pbuilderhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto . You may have a documented process as we do for quite some time but I find it very unlikely that it will ever be Official as that requires Canonical/Ubuntu community approval and I really don't see your project aligned with the current official plans/projects like the software center opportunistic applications, daily builds etc. By official, I meant documented. I now see that your project has documentation, but I couldn't find anywhere on your website, except through your external link. We avoid to provide information the main page which is useful for a few users, we do have a Contact link :) My project will be completely integrated into Software Center as it is PPA based. It is just a layer on top of the official Ubuntu repository and updates are managed through Update Manager. There are no extra websites to visit or .debs to download. It completely integrated into apt, so all you need to do is add the PPA. ;) The GetDeb repository is just as integrated as a PPA, it's a regular 3rd party repository, we don't use PPAs because: 1) our build system is prior to PPAs 2) some of our packages are not acceptable per PPA's software licence requirements 3) we have more flexibility to integrate features which wouldn't have much use on the PPA scenario Additionally, because it is mandated that all packages be generated via the developer's PPA, the packages are, for the most part, ensured to follow Ubuntu/Debian policy. The PPA does not validate if a package is Ubuntu/Debian policy compliant, such is not possible in a fully automated fashion, lintian helps a lot but does not replace a human reviewer. GetDeb has some objectives common to what you are proposing, it has been successful in many aspects, failed in some others, the current team is very small but with a long experience. I think it would be more beneficial for the community to join instead of divide. I would be more than happy to assist your project and help integrate it into the Launchpad and PPA processes. However, this would be a huge restructuring of your project, requiring many time-consuming changes. Right, and would provide no benefits. This is the reason why I opted to start a new project, as it would probably be less work for everyone to start from scratch. If your team is willing to make these changes, I would be happy to participate in their implementation. In the meantime, my project is up and running and I am willing to accept any assistance any member of the Ubuntu community is willing to give. Thanks, Ryan Best regards, -- João Luís Marques Pinto GetDeb Team Leader http://www.getdeb.net http://blog.getdeb.net -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Shouldn't update-manager's check for updates setting have an hourly option?
Keep in mind that checking for updates involves a non-trivial download of package lists from all repositories the user is subscribed to. Unfortunately, it is a much more intense operation than it appears. AFAIK the download is only performed if the packages list was changed, if the local file timestamp matches the server file the cache will be kept intact. This would only have a significant impact for a very volatile archive. -- João Luís Marques Pinto GetDeb Team Leader http://www.getdeb.net http://blog.getdeb.net -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Prevent people from updates with critical components
Hello, if I understood your suggestion, you are proposing that the upgrade process should check for known issues and warn before allowing the user to proceed ? Critical issues with the upgrade process are expected to have some workaround implemented at the upgrade process level, non critical issues are described on the release notes. Your suggestion is only interesting for those which don't read the release notes, on that case it would make some sense to have the specific issues which may apply to your hardware being shown with an upgrade prompt. Best regards, On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Joachim Langenbach joac...@falaba.dewrote: Good Morning again, I'm a bit stunning, that nobody seems to be interested in such a thing. Im not afraid of coding it myself, even if I have not much time for that right now, but I think even in that case, a discussion about the preferred way is important. I'm wondering about the fact of lack of interest, because, far as I know, the goal of Ubuntu is, to make a Linux distribution for people, who aren't famillar with computers that much. So pointed one can say, it's a linux distribution for typical windows users. (Don't understand me wrong here, I mean this very positive!) And concerning kubuntu, I'm such a user (normally I use Gentoo, but on one PC I use kubuntu with the aim, to have one PC with less administration efforts for a not so interested user). So from my point of view, this missing feature is a great lack at the mentioned goal. It makes me thougt-provoking that I actually think, the administration of kubuntu consumes the same time (or may be more) as administer gentoo. I know, that some other users of Kubuntu think the same way like I do, so I'm still hoping, that the developers of Kubuntu may think about this problem! Yours' sincererly, Joachim Langenbach On Tuesday 25 May 2010 10:05:08 you wrote: Good Morning all! After last release update and time consuming error repairing, I've think about a system, to inform users with critical system components that an update is not recommended at their machine. My thought was a system like the following one: 1. Provide a list of kown critical components and their problems 2. Check the list before update and inform the user that critical components are present and that the system doesn't work properly after update 3. If the user wants, do the update 4. Inform the user, if an update is present, which solves the errors To 1: It can be an XML-File like this: CriticalComponents Component NameIntel GMA950/Name DescriptionIntel Graphiccard/Description TestCommand/usr/sbin/lspci | grep -i 950/TestCommand ErrorMsg ENGraphical Desktop isn't working after uodate/EN /ErrorMsg /Component /CriticalComponents A structure like this allows to display a detailed report (if needed in several languages) and allows to test for nearly every hardware with help of TestCommand. In the case above, all TestCommand should return nothing, of the component is not present. So the testing mechanism is quite flexible and for most cases a simple call with a pipe to grep is enough to find a component. Another reason is, such a system would be quite easily to code and mantained. So I'm happy if this thougts starts a discussion about such a mechanism and results in any implementation of such a thing. I'm also interested if such a mechanism before updating is interesting for ubuntu users or not, from my state it is a needed feature to address people without computer knowledge! Yours' sincerly, Joachim Langenbach -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- João Luís Marques Pinto GetDeb Team Leader http://www.getdeb.net http://blog.getdeb.net -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: SRWare Iron: Chromium without the data-mining
I can't start a SRWare PPA immediately as they haven't released updated source code in some time (probably due to neglience if anything). Thanks, Ryan If you believe there are serious concerns with the current chromium package just file bugs, why fork when you can fix it ? Best regards, -- João Luís Marques Pinto GetDeb Team Leader http://www.getdeb.net http://blog.getdeb.net -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: No mouse or keyboard on 10.04 no GNOME
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 12:35 PM, vododo vod...@uol.com.br wrote: Hi folks, I tried to upgrade to ubuntu 10.04 and I had several problems. I used the save-upgrade method. Once it was done, GNOME didn't start. I tried The proper way to upgrade is using update-manager or do-release-upgrade, you may have problems from selecting an unsupported upgrade procedure. sudo gdm start I came to the login screen, but, neither the mouse nor the keyboard respond. If I try the sudo startx Starting a X session as the root user is a bad idea. I can reach the GNOME environment, but, mouse and keyboard don´t work either and it comes a message asking if I want to delete the OAFIID:GNOME_FastUserSwitchApplet looking on internet there I couldn't find anything helpful. I can't work without my computer and I'm in deep trouble! Who someone help me?? Thanx a lot Renato This is not a support mailing list, please check: http://www.ubuntu.com/support/communitysupport Thanks -- João Luís Marques Pinto GetDeb Team Leader http://www.getdeb.net http://blog.getdeb.net -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Removal of notification area
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 7:55 AM, Chandru chandru...@gmail.com wrote: If notification area is going to be removed as mentioned in this post, http://design.canonical.com/2010/04/notification-area/, how will applications which do not target Ubuntu alone and are not maintained by Ubuntu developers work? For example, Skype currently places its icon on the notification area. There are also a couple of open-source applications (Exaile for example) which use the notification area. Given the fact that these are written for Linux in general and don't target just Ubuntu, why would they adopt the Ubuntu way of placing icons, when it won't work on any other distribution? Because they want the application to be properly integrated with the OS ? Developers don't need to replace the existing notification area code, they just need to add support for the integration menus so that will work where such facility is available. I am not sure there will be enough interest/manpower to extender all the current Ubuntu packages to this, most likely the notification are will be an optional component if you need applications which us it. Best regards, -- João Luís Marques Pinto GetDeb Team Leader http://www.getdeb.net http://blog.getdeb.net -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Troubleshooting boot problems
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 5:22 AM, Florian Diesch die...@spamfence.netwrote: Patrick Goetz pgo...@mail.utexas.edu writes: nothing. Maybe /etc/init/networking.conf emits net-device-added? I guess it's emitted by upstart-udev-bridge How can one find out for sure? I'd have a look at the upstart-udev-bridge source code grep -r net-device-added upstart-0.6.5 upstart-0.6.5/NEWS:start on net-device-added INTERFACE!=eth* upstart-0.6.5/init/man/init.5:start on net-device-added INTERFACE!=lo They show up on the manual as an example, they are not triggered from the upstart source, random guesses don't really help. Even if they were available from the source Patrick point is valid, you are not expected to check source code to identify how the startup system works, if there are events that can be emitted without being defined on an upstart .conf there should be an easy way to identify it's purpose and it's emitter. Next, suppose I don't want to run ufw -- what's the procedure for turning this service off? Deleting the ufw.conf script from /etc/init? This seems terribly irreversible. Remove the package if you don't want it.-- The question was how to disable, not how to remove. Thanks -- João Luís Marques Pinto GetDeb Team Leader http://www.getdeb.net http://blog.getdeb.net -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Troubleshooting boot problems
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Patrick Goetz pgo...@mail.utexas.eduwrote: Subject: Re: Troubleshooting boot problems From: Brian Vaughan bgvaug...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 07:53:30 -0700 Next, suppose I don't want to run ufw -- what's the procedure for turning this service off? Deleting the ufw.conf script from /etc/init? This seems terribly irreversible. I have asked about this recently, implementation is pending: https://bugs.launchpad.net/upstart/+bug/94065 I don't know the answers for the others, I feel that the push of this features which require significant effort is being done at the cost of better documentation and missing features. The good thing is that Upstart developers are usually present on the #ubuntu-devel channel on IRC, you can easily get an answer for most questions. Thanks João Luís Marques Pinto GetDeb Team Leader http://www.getdeb.net http://blog.getdeb.net -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Troubleshooting boot problems
Hello, a frequently reported problem on #Ubuntu+1 which is most of the times answered is the I am unable to boot problem. Is there a generic boot troubleshotting documentation ? I couldn't find one. If not is there with the know-how to create it ? It should describe how to check at which stage of the boot is the hanging/crash ocurring and how to deal with it. I am probably missing something but it should at least contain some documentation for the following stages: * GRUB * kernel loading * upstart * plymouth * X * gdm For all of the above stages it should describe the options that can be used to workaround typical problems (e.g. kernel parameters), debug options and how to collect such data. Thanks -- João Luís Marques Pinto GetDeb Team Leader http://www.getdeb.net http://blog.getdeb.net -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: no more: SMB, Printer (Cups) and SSH
Hello Michael, there is no interest in detailing the services which are failing when you have a general network problem. If you didn't explicitly changed anything on your network configuration on your client system I would suggest to file a bug report, this will allow us to better track your problem and the required fix, if any. Check http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ReportProblem In my opinion your problem is more likely to result from a network misconfiguration/change, please check that you have the expected IP/Subnet mask/Gatway on both systems. Anyway please note that this ML is not for general support, there are MLs for such purpose, check: https://lists.ubuntu.com/#Community+Support Additionally you can use the Ubuntu forums or if you prefer #Ubuntu on irc.freenode.net . Thanks On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Michael Kappes mich...@cacn.de wrote: sorry, for the people who dont know EBOX Am 14.04.2010 11:18, schrieb Michael Kappes: Hello, (1) http://www.ebox-platform.com/ ahoi majestyx -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- João Luís Marques Pinto GetDeb Team Leader http://www.getdeb.net http://blog.getdeb.net -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: proper procedure regarding bug reports
Then we have this mysterious guy from Portugal who feels the political dimension of the problem. He will try to defend the case in a heroic fashion. And when you believe that you finally made it and the problem is properly discussed amoung those guys who matter, the Canonical dude shows up and wipes it all out with a quicky: this is only desire and not a bug, classified invalid. *BANG* The mysterious guy from Portugal (myself) is one of the thousand mysterious guys which participates on Free Software and Ubuntu. I wish you the best luck finding someone who matters . About the problem which you have reported, and per the discussion we had on the bug my opinion is very clear, Ubuntu should be secure by default, it shouldn't ask you for authorization to be secure. Since so far you are the only person reporting the problem, let me ask, what is the impact of the problem ? What solution do you propose ? There are plenty of bugs affecting mysterious guys and blocking them from using a piece of equipment or performing a specific task. In my opinion filling a bug for something that does not work as you expect is reasonable, trying to get more attention when there is no clear impact, is not. Best regards, -- João Luís Marques Pinto GetDeb Team Leader http://www.getdeb.net http://blog.getdeb.net -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Info about Karmic modem manager and mode switching?
Hello Antti, I had the same problem, on my case NetworkManager was selecting a random device from the 4 devices recognized from my Vodafone 3G PCMCIA Card. I was directed to the following wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingModemmanager Fortunately on my case the problem is already fixed on the daily trunk, anyway I would like to understand how it works to isolate the fix and backport to the stable version. I was investigation my problem based on HAL information (lshal, 10-modem.fdi) from looking into similar bug reports, after looking at the modemmanager source I have found I was looking at the wrong place since udev is now used replacing HAL. From mm-manager.c I have found that mm scans/handles devices with subsystem tty and net . You can get a list of the currently detected udev devices with: udevadm info --export-db Now. I need to find where is the modem date retrieved from I guess there is an equivalent to hal-info with the modem information. Hope it helps. On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Antti Turunen antti.turu...@siptune.fiwrote: Hello all, we know there is many 3G modems not yet properly recognized and/or connected by modem/network managers in 9.10. I have been searching around for information how the whole new modem-manager thing goes, but I have not been able to find much. Could someone tell if there is info somewhere about modem-manager plugins, different modem-modeswitch options etc? I am not a SW developer, but would like to try some tailoring for certain problematic modem models. Thanks in advance, Anttu -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- João Luís Marques Pinto GetDeb Team Leader http://www.getdeb.net http://blog.getdeb.net -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: icewm_1.2.37+1.3.4pre2-3_amd64.deb broken since Karmic release
Did you file a bug report :) ? On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Christian Schugitsch i...@schugy.de wrote: I've been waiting for weeks for a usable icewm package. Anyone working on a solution? -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- João Luís Marques Pinto GetDeb Team Leader http://www.getdeb.net http://blog.getdeb.net -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu Domain Server
Hello, Please explain why this is more convenient/faster than reading the man page? You mean clicking around to see all the options is faster than doing 'man page' '/related term' or 'man page' 'Page Down' I hope you are not comparing application interfaces to application manuals and telling us they are expected to provide us the same type of usability/information. Man pages just like books are great if you need in-depth information, they are not that great as an interface for an application. GUIs are not expected to replace manpages or other complete sources of information, they are expected to increase your productivity by providing interface for tasks, something that really matters for frequent tasks that cannot be automated. I really don't understand this eternal concern of non-GUI advocates with GUI implementations, why do you keep questioning other people needs based on your own habits ? Being satisfied is not a good reason to question other people needs for satisfaction. Best regards, -- João Luís Marques Pinto GetDeb Team Leader http://www.getdeb.net http://blog.getdeb.net -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu Domain Server
Ohh, we only question other people's needs when it is apparent that that need involves geting some more education and not an A.I that will get what they want done for them. After this last comment in which your statement implies that GUIs are driven by user's lack of education I don't think that anything positive would result from debating the subject with you. Best regards -- João Luís Marques Pinto GetDeb Team Leader http://www.getdeb.net http://blog.getdeb.net -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Stop the madness
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Markus Hitter m...@jump-ing.de wrote: Am 17.11.2009 um 12:19 schrieb patrick: Give a distribution the time to mature, listen to your big chief, even when it's for only time only: 1 distribution a year will bring quality software instead of buggy software like it is now !! I had some thoughts on this as well and came to the conclusion, the base system and applications should be decoupled. Currently, the major reason to upgrade to the latest is for getting recent versions of applications. Right now I'd be glad if I could run e.g. the latest VLC or AbiWord on last year's Ubuntu (Hardy). Hardy worked so well with my hardware while Jaunty asks me to do 5 minutes of manual tweaking until all subsystems are running. After each boot! Of course, I could compile packages manually from upstream sources, and I have to for some packages as the distributed one is broken or removed intentionally (kqemu). But that's not the intention of using a distribution, after all. There are some buddies providing PPA's across Ubuntu releases for popular applications and I appreciate that very much. Perhaps it's possible to extend that path and allow users to run modern applications on a matured base system (kernel, drivers, blank desktop, admin controls). Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ Markus, I totally agree with you, standalone apps should not follow the same stable release updates policy as core packages like the kernel or system libraries. Wether we like it or not, this is something that works well on Windows, you can easily get the latest app version, if something breaks you more easily identify that the problem was with that particular upgrade, if it's too serious you just re-install the previous version. On Ubuntu you need to wait 6 months to get the new application, if you find a problem you can't easily identify the root cause beause a lot more was changed that could impact the app, installing the previous version is not easy. This is a serious problem, and the main motivation for the getdeb project, we provide current applications for the current release. Youd also have the ubuntu-backports project, but as far I can see they have a limited scoped. Best regards, -- João Luís Marques Pinto GetDeb Team Leader http://www.getdeb.net http://blog.getdeb.net -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: upgrade from 9.04 - 9.10: the most broken Ubuntu / Debian upgradeI have ever experienced
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 1:30 AM, Ethan Baldridge et...@superiordocumentservices.com wrote: Out of curiosity, what does do-release-upgrade do that editing your sources.list, sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop sudo apt-get dist-upgrade wouldn't do? It covers some specific cases which can't be handled by a regular package upgrade, for details check: /usr/share/pyshared/DistUpgrade/DistUpgradeQuirks.py -- João Luís Marques Pinto GetDeb Team Leader http://www.getdeb.net http://blog.getdeb.net -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Apache Maven to be removed from Karmic?
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:53 PM, John Moser john.r.mo...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Alvin Thompson al...@thompsonlogic.com wrote: First, as a Java developer I hope this doesn't happen as Maven is pretty much required for Java development (at least in the U.S.). I laughed. Your pet project is NOT pretty much required for X in any global scope. I've hardly seen any Java shops, and the ones I did... well I've never seen Maven. Most of the bigger shops are moving to the next buzzword anyway: .NET (why the hell do people do this?) -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss John, What's so funny about someone not being able to develop his projects on Ubuntu ? Probably 50% of the universe packages do not have a global scope, however their are important enough for their developers/users so that a lof of people works hard to have those packages available in a good shape on each Ubuntu release. Please STOP being disrespectful for other people. I also believe that there should be a list of the packages which are removed linked from the release notes, it can be an adoption blocker. A good option would be to link to a wiki page, that would allow other people to provide workarounds when available. Best regards, -- João Luís Marques Pinto GetDeb Team Leader http://www.getdeb.net http://blog.getdeb.net -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Pulse audio
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Vincenzo Ciancia cian...@di.unipi.it wrote: I am pointing out that empathy at the moment is widely broken, and none of the feature it promises are there. I don't think you can install ubuntu on a fresh computer and be sure voice calls with empathy will work at all. I don't think you can really use empathy for IRC. I don't think empathy will imports accounts from pidgin in a reliable way. How do I know these things, is because I tried it. When it'll be ready, it will be a pleasure to use it. I am not saying distributors should resist to change. Your mail would be much more clear if you listed the bug numbers for the problems you are describing. Being widely broken for you does not mean is widely broken in general. V. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- João Luís Marques Pinto GetDeb Team Leader http://www.getdeb.net http://blog.getdeb.net -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Remove app via apt-get from menu
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 3:04 PM, George Farris farr...@cc.mala.bc.cawrote: Hi all, You know what would be very cool for new users. Once they have a package installed and decide they don't want it anymore, they could right click on the application menu item and see Uninstall program. This would immediately remove the package, appropriate dialogs and authorizations would be in effect of course.. Cheers -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss +1 Mosf of the times we realize the bunch of applications that we no longer use/need when we search on the menu. -- João Luís Marques Pinto GetDeb Team Leader http://www.getdeb.net http://blog.getdeb.net -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
