Re: White-on-black terminal should be default
On Sat, 6 Mar 2010, Martin Pitt wrote: Chris Jones [2010-03-06 9:52 +1000]: Although I'm an avid fan of a white-on-black terminal theme and agree that it should be the default, I'm not going to add to the argument even more than what's necessary. It's not necessary indeed -- the new default theme in Lucid for terminals is white-on-black (well, some slightly different colors, but in principle). But oh well, easy enough to fix that to an ergonomically sane black-on-white again. :-) White is way too bright for me. Gray-on-black ftw! :) -- Timo Aaltonen Systems Specialist IT Services, Aalto University School of Science and Technology -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: White-on-black terminal should be default
On 3 March 2010 17:40, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: Everybody knows that a terminal has white text on black background. Windows has a terminal like this. Mac OS X have a terminal like this. OS X's terminal is a very civilized black text on white background... Sun Microsystems SPARC-based workstations' console had a black text on a light grey background. I liked it because it was much easier on the eyes than white text on black background. -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki = Azrael Nightwalker ## # Jabber/XMPP/Gtalk/Tlen ID: azrael[na]jabster.pl # # (Co to jest? Zobacz na: http://jabberfaq.info ) # ## www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ # -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: White-on-black terminal should be default
The number of replies in this silly thread indicates that you guys have way too much time on your hands. :) SJ Remnant's response is definitive; time to move on and agree to disagree. The take away message: is thank heavens for choices and a curse on any gnome/KDE developers who plan to continue to take those choices away from us! -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: White-on-black terminal should be default
fre 2010-03-05 klockan 11:33 -0600 skrev Patrick Goetz: The number of replies in this silly thread indicates that you guys have way too much time on your hands. :) Well, it's a classic bikeshed :) http://grey.bikeshed.com/ // Andreas signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
RE: White-on-black terminal should be default
Although I'm an avid fan of a white-on-black terminal theme and agree that it should be the default, I'm not going to add to the argument even more than what's necessary. But the way I look at it; if you're a really keen terminal user, such as myself who uses both Fedora 11 and Ubuntu 10.04 Server both in CLI mode only and don't even run X, you'd probably be using linux in the same manner. Resulting in a white-on-black terminal by default anyway. And for those nerds that do choose to use a terminal within an x session, just change it. -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: White-on-black terminal should be default
Chris Jones [2010-03-06 9:52 +1000]: Although I'm an avid fan of a white-on-black terminal theme and agree that it should be the default, I'm not going to add to the argument even more than what's necessary. It's not necessary indeed -- the new default theme in Lucid for terminals is white-on-black (well, some slightly different colors, but in principle). But oh well, easy enough to fix that to an ergonomically sane black-on-white again. :-) Martin -- Martin Pitt| http://www.piware.de Ubuntu Developer (www.ubuntu.com) | Debian Developer (www.debian.org) -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: White-on-black terminal should be default
On 03/03/2010 03:23 PM, Remco wrote: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 17:40, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: Ugh. I really thought that only primitive systems use white text on a black background. It's ergonomically very bad. I never use such a terminal except in Windows, where I haven't figured out (nor spent enough time to need to) how to change it. I agree. I would rather not have my terminals look like a tty! Would it be possible to have black text on a white background for the virtual terminals, too? The current low-resolution white-on-black is not very comfortable. I have mine set to green on black background, and my TTY's use that theme without any changes. -- Sincerely Yours, John Vivirito https://launchpad.net/~gnomefreak https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnVivirito Linux User# 414246 How can i get lost, if i have no where to go -- Metallica from Unforgiven III signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: White-on-black terminal should be default
On 03/03/2010 02:20 PM, Lucian Adrian Grijincu wrote: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:06 PM, Rene Veerman rene7...@gmail.com wrote: use a ~/.bash_profile to set your colors? It's already configurable in gnome-terminal's settings. Not sure what you want to put in the .bash_profile to make this work. Anyway, this discussion is getting a bit old and not of interest to everyone on this list. Isn't this more suitable for a bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/531540 Feel free to report this upstream. The problem i run into is that i back-up my ~/.bashrc. Once i move my ~/.bashrc from usb drive to $HOME it does not use the same colors i had. I'm sure these colors are set in one of the gnome dirs. But should really be set in ~/.bashrc(my 2cents) -- Sincerely Yours, John Vivirito https://launchpad.net/~gnomefreak https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnVivirito Linux User# 414246 How can i get lost, if i have no where to go -- Metallica from Unforgiven III signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: White-on-black terminal should be default
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:13 AM, Shentino shent...@gmail.com wrote: My personal opinion is that the default should be gray on black like the vc. For some reason the terminal colors just work better that way, particularly with midnight commander in a shell in a term. my two cents. Opinions, opinions. Everyone has a preferred setup. There are people who hate color ls and always disable it. And then there are others that can't tell directories and files apart in ls if they're not colored differently. You won't satisfy everyone. Either setup a poll (on brainstorm, for example) or bring some proof (a study proving one is better in this and that situation). -- . ..: Lucian -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: White-on-black terminal should be default
On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 10:34 +0200, Lucian Adrian Grijincu wrote: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:13 AM, Shentino shent...@gmail.com wrote: My personal opinion is that the default should be gray on black like the vc. For some reason the terminal colors just work better that way, particularly with midnight commander in a shell in a term. my two cents. Opinions, opinions. Everyone has a preferred setup. There are people who hate color ls and always disable it. And then there are others that can't tell directories and files apart in ls if they're not colored differently. You won't satisfy everyone. Either setup a poll (on brainstorm, for example) or bring some proof (a study proving one is better in this and that situation). And then, you change it and you get a lot of flak from people who liked the way it was before. The best way to cater for everybody is to make it customisable, which the Ubuntu terminal already supports. To have white text on black background in your terminal, do the following: 1. open a terminal 2. go to the Edit - Profiles... menu 3. select Default and click Edit 4. select the colours tab 5. uncheck Use colours from system theme 6. either select a built-in scheme from the drop down (such as white on black) or customise your colours using the palette. There's a bewildering array of customisation options you can play with, you can even have an image as the background or a semi-transparent colour. You can also create several profiles to use in different situations if you want to. So I reckon, the only thing to do with the terminal is to leave it alone: it's already customisable way beyond what the Windows and Mac terminals offer. Bruno -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: White-on-black terminal should be default
Well, in this case "Everybody" is a big generalisation, as it means you, doesn't it? :-) I - too - like the black background and white/light yellow text in terminals and in text editors, but I won't expect it to be this way by default. If it is brown on light yellow, but I can customize it in 15 seconds, that is OK for me. And if you are a Minesweeper addict, you can do it in 10 seconds. les On 2010.03.03 05:13 AM, Shentino wrote: My personal opinion is that the default should be gray on black like the vc. For some reason the terminal colors just work better that way, particularly with midnight commander in a shell in a term. my two cents. On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Derek Broughton de...@pointerstop.ca wrote: Fred . wrote: Everybody knows that a terminal has white text on black background. Windows has a terminal like this. Mac OS X have a terminal like this. Ugh. I really thought that only primitive systems use white text on a black background. It's ergonomically very bad. I never use such a terminal except in Windows, where I haven't figured out (nor spent enough time to need to) how to change it. Even Linux have CLI terminal like this. KDE also. But in GNOME and xterm are black text on white background. Why? That is not how a terminal should look! Change the default colors to be white text on black background! That is a very bad idea, imo. -- derek -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: White-on-black terminal should be default
Everybody knows that a terminal has white text on black background. Windows has a terminal like this. Mac OS X have a terminal like this. OS X's terminal is a very civilized black text on white background... Ugh. I really thought that only primitive systems use white text on a black background. It's ergonomically very bad. I never use such a terminal except in Windows, where I haven't figured out (nor spent enough time to need to) how to change it. I agree. I would rather not have my terminals look like a tty! (In Windows, right-click the top windows frame and select properties...) Even Linux have CLI terminal like this. KDE also. But in GNOME and xterm are black text on white background. Why? That is not how a terminal should look! Change the default colors to be white text on black background! That is a very bad idea, imo. +1 But if the devs change it, it will not take much to change it back on my installs to black on white. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: White-on-black terminal should be default
On Fri, 2010-02-19 at 13:22 +0100, Fred . wrote: Everybody knows that a terminal has white text on black background. Everybody knows that the bikeshed is green. Seriously, there's a whole tab of preferences devoted to letting you pick what colour you want your terminals. You can have them lurid pink on green if you like. The default is the way it is because it provides the best contrast on the majority of screens (TFTs, LCDs, etc.) Scott -- Scott James Remnant sc...@ubuntu.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: White-on-black terminal should be default
On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 11:40 -0500, Tom H wrote: Everybody knows that a terminal has white text on black background. Windows has a terminal like this. Mac OS X have a terminal like this. OS X's terminal is a very civilized black text on white background... True, funny enough their terminal icon shows it as white text on black background, although the actual terminal is the opposite. And yes I am one of the users who always changes gnome terminal back to white on black. Chris -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: White-on-black terminal should be default
use a ~/.bash_profile to set your colors? On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Fred . eldman...@gmail.com wrote: Everybody knows that a terminal has white text on black background. Windows has a terminal like this. Mac OS X have a terminal like this. Even Linux have CLI terminal like this. KDE also. But in GNOME and xterm are black text on white background. Why? That is not how a terminal should look! Change the default colors to be white text on black background! -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: White-on-black terminal should be default
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:06 PM, Rene Veerman rene7...@gmail.com wrote: use a ~/.bash_profile to set your colors? It's already configurable in gnome-terminal's settings. Not sure what you want to put in the .bash_profile to make this work. Anyway, this discussion is getting a bit old and not of interest to everyone on this list. Isn't this more suitable for a bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/531540 Feel free to report this upstream. -- . ..: Lucian -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: White-on-black terminal should be default
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 17:40, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: Ugh. I really thought that only primitive systems use white text on a black background. It's ergonomically very bad. I never use such a terminal except in Windows, where I haven't figured out (nor spent enough time to need to) how to change it. I agree. I would rather not have my terminals look like a tty! Would it be possible to have black text on a white background for the virtual terminals, too? The current low-resolution white-on-black is not very comfortable. -- Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: White-on-black terminal should be default
On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 16:48 +, Scott James Remnant wrote: On Fri, 2010-02-19 at 13:22 +0100, Fred . wrote: Everybody knows that a terminal has white text on black background. Everybody knows that the bikeshed is green. Seriously, there's a whole tab of preferences devoted to letting you pick what colour you want your terminals. You can have them lurid pink on green if you like. The default is the way it is because it provides the best contrast on the majority of screens (TFTs, LCDs, etc.) A lot simpler than that: the default follows the theme's colours, which makes complete sense: there's no reason for the terminal to be any different from other applications. Having said that, everybody(*) knows that a real hardcore terminal should be like the VT100 of old: green text on black background ;-) (*) everybody = me and my non-existent dog Bruno -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: White-on-black terminal should be default
On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 22:48:13 + Bruno Girin brunogi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 16:48 +, Scott James Remnant wrote: On Fri, 2010-02-19 at 13:22 +0100, Fred . wrote: Everybody knows that a terminal has white text on black background. Everybody knows that the bikeshed is green. Seriously, there's a whole tab of preferences devoted to letting you pick what colour you want your terminals. You can have them lurid pink on green if you like. The default is the way it is because it provides the best contrast on the majority of screens (TFTs, LCDs, etc.) A lot simpler than that: the default follows the theme's colours, which makes complete sense: there's no reason for the terminal to be any different from other applications. Having said that, everybody(*) knows that a real hardcore terminal should be like the VT100 of old: green text on black background ;-) (*) everybody = me and my non-existent dog Bruno That was a black background? ;) -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: White-on-black terminal should be default
On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 16:04 -0700, Charlie Kravetz wrote: On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 22:48:13 + Bruno Girin brunogi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 16:48 +, Scott James Remnant wrote: On Fri, 2010-02-19 at 13:22 +0100, Fred . wrote: Everybody knows that a terminal has white text on black background. Everybody knows that the bikeshed is green. Seriously, there's a whole tab of preferences devoted to letting you pick what colour you want your terminals. You can have them lurid pink on green if you like. The default is the way it is because it provides the best contrast on the majority of screens (TFTs, LCDs, etc.) A lot simpler than that: the default follows the theme's colours, which makes complete sense: there's no reason for the terminal to be any different from other applications. Having said that, everybody(*) knows that a real hardcore terminal should be like the VT100 of old: green text on black background ;-) (*) everybody = me and my non-existent dog Bruno That was a black background? ;) Seen in the deficient lighting of the computer room at 4 o'clock in the morning, it looked black. In natural light, it was probably the darkest shade of green that technology could produce at the time but I couldn't tell as I don't remember seeing much daylight when I was using those ;-) Bruno -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: White-on-black terminal should be default
That wasn't black, but dark-dark-green ^_^ Although it might be black between pixels... A lot simpler than that: the default follows the theme's colours, which makes complete sense: there's no reason for the terminal to be any different from other applications. Having said that, everybody(*) knows that a real hardcore terminal should be like the VT100 of old: green text on black background ;-) (*) everybody = me and my non-existent dog Bruno -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: White-on-black terminal should be default
On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 21:23 +0100, Remco wrote: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 17:40, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: Ugh. I really thought that only primitive systems use white text on a black background. It's ergonomically very bad. I never use such a terminal except in Windows, where I haven't figured out (nor spent enough time to need to) how to change it. I agree. I would rather not have my terminals look like a tty! Would it be possible to have black text on a white background for the virtual terminals, too? The current low-resolution white-on-black is not very comfortable. Its high resolution on Lucid with kms on systems that support kms anyway. Chris -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: White-on-black terminal should be default
Fred . [2010-02-19 13:22 +0100]: Change the default colors to be white text on black background! That should entirely depend on the theme you select. Why should a light theme, where you have dark text on light bg everywhere suddenly swap the colors for the terminal? If you work during daylight, black text on light background is ergonomically much better, and also much more effective on a TFT (doesn't matter so much on CRTs). Martin -- Martin Pitt| http://www.piware.de Ubuntu Developer (www.ubuntu.com) | Debian Developer (www.debian.org) -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: White-on-black terminal should be default
Fred . wrote: Everybody knows that a terminal has white text on black background. Windows has a terminal like this. Mac OS X have a terminal like this. Ugh. I really thought that only primitive systems use white text on a black background. It's ergonomically very bad. I never use such a terminal except in Windows, where I haven't figured out (nor spent enough time to need to) how to change it. Even Linux have CLI terminal like this. KDE also. But in GNOME and xterm are black text on white background. Why? That is not how a terminal should look! Change the default colors to be white text on black background! That is a very bad idea, imo. -- derek -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: White-on-black terminal should be default
My personal opinion is that the default should be gray on black like the vc. For some reason the terminal colors just work better that way, particularly with midnight commander in a shell in a term. my two cents. On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Derek Broughton de...@pointerstop.cawrote: Fred . wrote: Everybody knows that a terminal has white text on black background. Windows has a terminal like this. Mac OS X have a terminal like this. Ugh. I really thought that only primitive systems use white text on a black background. It's ergonomically very bad. I never use such a terminal except in Windows, where I haven't figured out (nor spent enough time to need to) how to change it. Even Linux have CLI terminal like this. KDE also. But in GNOME and xterm are black text on white background. Why? That is not how a terminal should look! Change the default colors to be white text on black background! That is a very bad idea, imo. -- derek -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
