Re: Unity and Classic

[Matt Alexander]

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 8:28 AM, Sebastien Bacher  wrote:

> Le 01/12/2011 17:11, Matt Alexander a écrit :
>
>
>> I don't like it because I can't find the most common apps anymore.  I
>> used to be able to navigate through the Applications menu using general
>> categories like Graphics, Games, Sound & Video, etc.
>>
>
> Is the issue there only the number of click to display the application
> lens with the installed applications not reduced to the default 1 line and
> with the filters on the side? This cycle Unity should make it things a bit
> easier there by:
> - letting you add lenses icons directly to the launcher, if you access
> often the application one you could get it there
> - remember some of the dash settings cross sessions
>
> Would you be happy with the application lens if it opened directly from
> the launcher with filters already on screen and the list unfolded for you?
>

I'm not sure what "application lens" means.  When I click the Ubuntu icon,
I get a full screen of 8 icons.  Let's say I'm interested in that Brain
game that I used to play on 10.04, but can't remember what the actual name
was.  So I type "brain".  I get an empty page back.  Hmm, OK, well,  let's
try something else.  How do I get back?  I have to click the Ubuntu icon
twice.  The first makes the blank results page go away.  The second brings
back the default 8 icons.  I then click "More Apps".  Hmm, it's not in the
short displayed list of apps.  I then click the tiny text that says, "See
89 more results" and scroll through lots of apps until I find the "brain"
icon that I remember from 10.04.  That's quite a bit of work compared to
10.04.

I totally missed the "Filter results" option before.  If that list of
categories was available after clicking the Ubuntu icon, then I'd be
happy.  I could then simply go Ubuntu icon -> Games -> gbrainy.

Another idea...  let's say I want to use gimp (and it's not installed yet),
so I type in "gimp" into the search box.  Instead of a confusing blank
page, provide a link to install the gimp package.

Thanks for considering this.
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Re: Unity and Classic

[Ray Perigo]

This isn't a bad idea either. At least having the filters already onscreen
would make things a little more usable. I would wager a lot of people don't
readily correlate the phrase "Filter Results" with "Application
Categories", or just don't see the dropdown.

Further on this topic, instead of a rigid set of default apps, what about
moving the Frequently Used section from the Apps lens into the home lens?

With this in place, the Frequently Used section in the Apps lens would be
redundant. That could be removed, and with the filters already onscreen
things would be roughly as streamlined as a classic-style menu.

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Sebastien Bacher  wrote:

> Le 01/12/2011 17:11, Matt Alexander a écrit :
>
>
>> I don't like it because I can't find the most common apps anymore.  I
>> used to be able to navigate through the Applications menu using general
>> categories like Graphics, Games, Sound & Video, etc.
>>
>
> Is the issue there only the number of click to display the application
> lens with the installed applications not reduced to the default 1 line and
> with the filters on the side? This cycle Unity should make it things a bit
> easier there by:
> - letting you add lenses icons directly to the launcher, if you access
> often the application one you could get it there
> - remember some of the dash settings cross sessions
>
> Would you be happy with the application lens if it opened directly from
> the launcher with filters already on screen and the list unfolded for you?
>
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Re: Unity and Classic

[Sebastien Bacher]

Le 01/12/2011 17:11, Matt Alexander a écrit :


I don't like it because I can't find the most common apps anymore.  I 
used to be able to navigate through the Applications menu using 
general categories like Graphics, Games, Sound & Video, etc.


Is the issue there only the number of click to display the application 
lens with the installed applications not reduced to the default 1 line 
and with the filters on the side? This cycle Unity should make it things 
a bit easier there by:
- letting you add lenses icons directly to the launcher, if you access 
often the application one you could get it there

- remember some of the dash settings cross sessions

Would you be happy with the application lens if it opened directly from 
the launcher with filters already on screen and the list unfolded for you?


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Re: Unity and Classic

[Ray Perigo]

Carlos,

Well, there IS a "Filter Results" dropdown that brings up the application
categories. It works, but this method takes a few more mouse clicks than I
would like. I posited another idea in a different thread to just add the
classic menu functionality into the Dash button as a right-click event.
This way, the interface itself isn't changed (no additional buttons, Dash
and Lenses continue to work as they do), and those of us who want a more
old-school approach to finding apps get to have it.

//Ray Perigo
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Matt Alexander <
ubuntu@mattalexander.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Shane Fagan 
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Ronan Lucio  wrote:
>> > Hi Carlos,
>> >
>> > I'm not sure about it.
>> > I know there are so many users prefering the old gnome style.
>> >
>> > I think the best option would be a simple way to config which interface
>> the
>> > users prefers, like on 11.04 version.
>> > So the user could choice between Unity, Gnome3 or Gnome-Fallback
>> (Classic)
>> >
>> > But it think this option must exists for all Ubuntu versions.
>>
>> There is an option just install gnome classic. Splitting our efforts
>> helps no one and pulls resources away from making Ubuntu keep up with
>> what Windows 8 is going to be doing. Id say if you don't like
>> something in Unity you should share your experience and preference and
>> see if there is something more we could be doing just saying I don't
>> like it doesn't really help anyone understand why you don't like it.
>>
>
>
> I don't like it because I can't find the most common apps anymore.  I used
> to be able to navigate through the Applications menu using general
> categories like Graphics, Games, Sound  & Video, etc.  Now I stare blankly
> at a dialog box that expects me to have memorized every app name that I
> might use and I have to TYPE THAT COMMAND LINE NAME IN.  WTF.  That's a
> terrible user experience.
>
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Re: Unity and Classic

[Matt Alexander]

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Shane Fagan wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Ronan Lucio  wrote:
> > Hi Carlos,
> >
> > I'm not sure about it.
> > I know there are so many users prefering the old gnome style.
> >
> > I think the best option would be a simple way to config which interface
> the
> > users prefers, like on 11.04 version.
> > So the user could choice between Unity, Gnome3 or Gnome-Fallback
> (Classic)
> >
> > But it think this option must exists for all Ubuntu versions.
>
> There is an option just install gnome classic. Splitting our efforts
> helps no one and pulls resources away from making Ubuntu keep up with
> what Windows 8 is going to be doing. Id say if you don't like
> something in Unity you should share your experience and preference and
> see if there is something more we could be doing just saying I don't
> like it doesn't really help anyone understand why you don't like it.
>


I don't like it because I can't find the most common apps anymore.  I used
to be able to navigate through the Applications menu using general
categories like Graphics, Games, Sound  & Video, etc.  Now I stare blankly
at a dialog box that expects me to have memorized every app name that I
might use and I have to TYPE THAT COMMAND LINE NAME IN.  WTF.  That's a
terrible user experience.
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Re: Unity and Classic

[Shane Fagan]

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Ronan Lucio  wrote:
> Hi Carlos,
>
> I'm not sure about it.
> I know there are so many users prefering the old gnome style.
>
> I think the best option would be a simple way to config which interface the
> users prefers, like on 11.04 version.
> So the user could choice between Unity, Gnome3 or Gnome-Fallback (Classic)
>
> But it think this option must exists for all Ubuntu versions.

There is an option just install gnome classic. Splitting our efforts
helps no one and pulls resources away from making Ubuntu keep up with
what Windows 8 is going to be doing. Id say if you don't like
something in Unity you should share your experience and preference and
see if there is something more we could be doing just saying I don't
like it doesn't really help anyone understand why you don't like it.

Shane

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Re: Unity and Classic

[Ronan Lucio]

Hi Carlos,

I'm not sure about it.
I know there are so many users prefering the old gnome style.

I think the best option would be a simple way to config which interface the
users prefers, like on 11.04 version.
So the user could choice between Unity, Gnome3 or Gnome-Fallback (Classic)

But it think this option must exists for all Ubuntu versions.

Ronan

2011/12/1 Carlos Havel 

> **
> There seems to be a 50/50 tide up about Unity and Classic. ¿Wouldn't it be
> possible split the issues among both? Let's say,  april releases with
> classic menu and october releases with unity?
>
> Otherwise, Ubuntu is going to loose half of it's users.(I among them).
>
> Carlos Havel
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Re: Re2: An idea about unity and classic stuff

[Sebastien Bacher]

Le 01/12/2011 11:08, David Gao a écrit :

Well, I like unity, but I still think it good to add some classic elements. I 
think we at least need a classic menu, and some panels. Unity has a great 
launcher, which reduces my clicks a lot. The lens just mix everything together, 
and can be a great problem when I have plenty of music and applications stored 
on my computer. I have to always search. I wonder if we could have something 
like folders in our lens, and do not have to always show everything in the 
category.

Hi,

Great that you like unity ;-) If you prefer a "classic menu", you can 
easily install softwares that provide one (see one of my previous emails 
on this list and topic). Why do you feel you need "some panels"? What is 
missing from the unity one for you? If you have lot of datas searching 
will always be easier than trying to figure an organization scheme that 
works, especially that different users have different way of working and 
would want the same thing from the interface.
Did you try to use the lenses for a while? Browsing applications in the 
applications lens should be similar to using menus, it lists the same 
content, has the same categories, they are just displayed as filters 
rather than submenus.


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Re: Unity and Classic

[Sebastien Bacher]

Le 01/12/2011 12:12, Carlos Havel a écrit :
There seems to be a 50/50 tide up about Unity and Classic. ¿Wouldn't 
it be possible split the issues among both? Let's say,  april releases 
with classic menu and october releases with unity?

Otherwise, Ubuntu is going to loose half of it's users.(I among them).

Hi,

What do you mean? If what you mean "Classic" is gnome-panel the package 
is available in all versions of Ubuntu and you can keep using it, nobody 
is forced to use the default desktop, it takes less than a minutes to 
install gnome-session-fallback, logout and log in with it selected


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Unity and Classic

[Carlos Havel]

There seems to be a 50/50 tide up about Unity and Classic. ¿Wouldn't it be 
possible split the issues among both? Let's say,  april releases with classic 
menu and october releases with unity?

Otherwise, Ubuntu is going to loose half of it's users.(I among them).

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Re2: An idea about unity and classic stuff

[David Gao]

Well, I like unity, but I still think it good to add some classic elements. I 
think we at least need a classic menu, and some panels. Unity has a great 
launcher, which reduces my clicks a lot. The lens just mix everything together, 
and can be a great problem when I have plenty of music and applications stored 
on my computer. I have to always search. I wonder if we could have something 
like folders in our lens, and do not have to always show everything in the 
category.
I hope you can understand what I say because I am not a native English speaker.

Best wishes for ubuntu, unity and everyone.
David Gao



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