Re: is anyone ever going to fix this major bug?
Hi On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 23:06 +0200, Marius Gedminas wrote: bug comments, that seems to be ia32-libs-tools (the source package which That package is only in Jaunty, not in Karmic because it seems to have been removed from Debian for being a poor, fragile solution to the problem that multiarch will solve. I suspect that this means it will not see any fixing at all in Karmic, since it's not in Karmic's repositories! Cheers, -- Chris Jones -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: is anyone ever going to fix this major bug?
On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 12:30 -0800, Brendan Miller wrote: This bug more or less makes apt-get unusable on 64 bit systems and has been in for a long time now: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/402833 Is this still a problem in Karmic? I don't have that file on my system, and a search of packages available doesn't give any package named ia32-libs-tools. Not saying it shouldn't be fixed in Jaunty, I'm just wondering if there's an issue in Karmic as well--if so I think it must be different (different package names, etc.?) than the Jaunty issue. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: is anyone ever going to fix this major bug?
Paul Smith wrote: On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 12:30 -0800, Brendan Miller wrote: This bug more or less makes apt-get unusable on 64 bit systems and has been in for a long time now: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/402833 Is this still a problem in Karmic? I don't have that file on my system, and a search of packages available doesn't give any package named ia32-libs-tools. It came to Ubuntu Jaunty (Universe) via Debian unstable. It was also -- and consequently -- dropped from Ubuntu. This package has been dropped from Debian -- completely, including removing the source packages. Debian considered (right or wrong, it is not the point here) the approach kludgy/unmaintainable. Additionally, the Debian maintainer orphaned the package. See [1] for the thread in Debian. The consideration is that the 'multiarch' package will (eventually) replace it. Not saying it shouldn't be fixed in Jaunty, I'm just wondering if there's an issue in Karmic as well--if so I think it must be different (different package names, etc.?) than the Jaunty issue. As already stated in this thread, given that the package was removed (and orphaned), it will need a volunteer willing to work on it for Ubuntu -- for Jaunty only. Cheers, ..C.. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: is anyone ever going to fix this major bug?
Ah, Ok. I haven't updated any of my systems to 9.10, so I didn't realize that 32 bit compatibility had been removed... Given that, I probably just won't update since it would break adobe air and all my third party stuff... On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 6:46 AM, C de-Avillez hgg...@ubuntu.com wrote: Paul Smith wrote: On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 12:30 -0800, Brendan Miller wrote: This bug more or less makes apt-get unusable on 64 bit systems and has been in for a long time now: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/402833 Is this still a problem in Karmic? I don't have that file on my system, and a search of packages available doesn't give any package named ia32-libs-tools. It came to Ubuntu Jaunty (Universe) via Debian unstable. It was also -- and consequently -- dropped from Ubuntu. This package has been dropped from Debian -- completely, including removing the source packages. Debian considered (right or wrong, it is not the point here) the approach kludgy/unmaintainable. Additionally, the Debian maintainer orphaned the package. See [1] for the thread in Debian. The consideration is that the 'multiarch' package will (eventually) replace it. Not saying it shouldn't be fixed in Jaunty, I'm just wondering if there's an issue in Karmic as well--if so I think it must be different (different package names, etc.?) than the Jaunty issue. As already stated in this thread, given that the package was removed (and orphaned), it will need a volunteer willing to work on it for Ubuntu -- for Jaunty only. Cheers, ..C.. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: is anyone ever going to fix this major bug?
Brendan Miller wrote: Ah, Ok. I haven't updated any of my systems to 9.10, so I didn't realize that 32 bit compatibility had been removed... Given that, I probably just won't update since it would break adobe air and all my third party stuff... I am afraid there is a misunderstanding here. 32bit compatibility has *not* been removed -- it is provided by the 'ia32-libs' and 'ia32-sun-java6-bin' packages, on both Jaunty and Karmic. On the other hand, if you have third-party packages, nothing is certain. The best course for you is to contact the third-party providers, and enquire about compatibility with Karmic (or about a Karmic version). The 'ia32-libs-tools' package is to be used by those needing to *transform* an existing 64bit library package (and *not* provided by the two packages above) into a 32bit one. I would expect that most of the Ubuntu 64bit users do not need this tool. Anyway. I found what seems to be the latest (and last) 'ia32-libs-tools' in Debian [1]. Obviously, I do not know how long it will survive there, since it has been dropped. Cheers, ..C.. [1] http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/sponsor-pkglist?action=details;package=ia32-libs-tools signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: is anyone ever going to fix this major bug?
Ohhkay. I've always been pretty unclear on exactly what packages I needed to get 32 bit compat for various programs. There's a script that's been floating around in the forums forever that automatically downloads 32 bit dependencies for a third party program on a 64 bit system. getlibs: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=474790 It would be handy if something like this was officially supported as part of ubuntu, btw. Getting all the dependencies necessary to run 3rd party software (adobe air, skype, vmware, etc) is one of the bigger annoyances I have when setting up a new install. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:29 AM, C de-Avillez hgg...@ubuntu.com wrote: Brendan Miller wrote: Ah, Ok. I haven't updated any of my systems to 9.10, so I didn't realize that 32 bit compatibility had been removed... Given that, I probably just won't update since it would break adobe air and all my third party stuff... I am afraid there is a misunderstanding here. 32bit compatibility has *not* been removed -- it is provided by the 'ia32-libs' and 'ia32-sun-java6-bin' packages, on both Jaunty and Karmic. On the other hand, if you have third-party packages, nothing is certain. The best course for you is to contact the third-party providers, and enquire about compatibility with Karmic (or about a Karmic version). The 'ia32-libs-tools' package is to be used by those needing to *transform* an existing 64bit library package (and *not* provided by the two packages above) into a 32bit one. I would expect that most of the Ubuntu 64bit users do not need this tool. Anyway. I found what seems to be the latest (and last) 'ia32-libs-tools' in Debian [1]. Obviously, I do not know how long it will survive there, since it has been dropped. Cheers, ..C.. [1] http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/sponsor-pkglist?action=details;package=ia32-libs-tools -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Subject: Re: is anyone ever going to fix this major bug?
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 11:00:21 Brendan Miller catph...@catphive.net wrote: Ah, Ok. I haven't updated any of my systems to 9.10, so I didn't realize that 32 bit compatibility had been removed... Given that, I probably just won't update since it would break adobe air and all my third party stuff... The AIR installer is broken (puts its little 32-bit libadobecertstore in /usr/lib (symlinked to /usr/lib64) instead of /usr/lib32 and won't start otherwise, but moving it sorts out the issue. Other 32-bit apps are also working fine... -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- There is no shame in not knowing; the shame is in not finding out. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
is anyone ever going to fix this major bug?
This bug more or less makes apt-get unusable on 64 bit systems and has been in for a long time now: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/402833 On a side note, I have no idea how to bring bugs to the attention of developers, or if it is even possible, as this bug has sat in the bugtracker without being even triaged for months. If no one actually uses the bug tracker, maybe take it down so people don't waste their time reporting bugs... -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: is anyone ever going to fix this major bug?
This is an organizational problem. Waving hands and saying the community should do it is nice if it works, but it obviously hasn't happened. I personally would feel much more happy if you email also included a patch... Well than why is there a public bug tracker if you guys just want patches on the mailing list? I took the time out to gather information from the forums, come up with a bug report, and document workarounds. So did someone else as well (my bug got marked as a dupe, so I pasted the link to the other guys bug, which had some more info). The bug was never read over a span of months, so I'm pointing out that there's clearly an organizational problem whereby the bug database has turned into a black hole of user frustration. The same could be said of all the problems that get worked around a different way in every release on the forums, but never get fixed in Ubuntu proper. Clearly, no on is trawling through for bugs there. I'm doing my little part by letting you guys know how broken everything is, whether in the product or in the process. If that's not enough, I won't bother in the future. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: is anyone ever going to fix this major bug?
On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:59:34 -0800 Brendan Miller catph...@catphive.net wrote: This is an organizational problem. Waving hands and saying the community should do it is nice if it works, but it obviously hasn't happened. It's a resource problem. Most developers keep an eye on bugs in specific packages they tend to focus on. We cannot keep track of all bugs in 20,000 packages with (last I checked) fewer than 200 developers. What we need is more people finding bugs that have fixes (like I gather this one is) and bringing them to the attention of developers. The best way to do this is through the sponsorship process (bug management via mailing list doesn't scale). If the ubuntu-universe-sponsors team were subscribed to the bug, then a developer would review it. In short, yes we do look at bugs, but we also need help. Scott K -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
