Re: Moment of Truth

[Tim]

On 29/02/16 19:01, Kristian Rink wrote:
> Hi there;
>
> and first off, thanks for the message and for doing a great job on
> Ubuntu GNOME so far. IMHO this is right now the best way of having a
> modestly up-to-date GNOME on top of a *deb based package management,
> and that's quite a good thing...
>
>
>> That said, I am giving this community a chance until releasing 16.04
>> in April to prove it's a real community. If this community won't
>> start working as one team and one family, I am afraid I can't be part
>> of this any more.
> Well, where to get started and get involved quickly? Though I am by
> profession into software development, my experience in working with
> FOSS projects is very limited, and so is my spare time but I gladly
> would contribute wherever / however possible...
Assuming you want to work on the technical side of things:

The focus for xenial is now fixing bugs, given we are past feature freeze, and 
most all of GNOME 3.18 is in the archives. Some of these fixes
can just be backported from 3.20, but finding them is the challenge! Others we 
fix and then forward upstream. Most of the code is C, with a
little JS and Vala (more or less C# like).

The focus on the PPA's is getting 3.20 packaged up, this is mostly just debian 
packaging work, with the odd build patch or what not. This work
forms the basis of what will land in 16.10 around May, its also useful for 
people that want to test if a bug exists in latest upstream, or just
want the bleeding edge.

There is still some work to refine our scripts/process for the git packaging 
branches (so far these are only for the ppa):
https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-gnome/ubuntu/
That would mostly be bash/python scripting and a some documentation on the wiki

On the semi-technical side: there is bug triaging, i.e. finding relevant bugs 
and making sure they have enough information to be able to fix
(stacktraces, reproducers etc)

Other infrastructure work, such as setting up CI testing, autopkgtests etc, but 
no one ever seems to do this and its not really the best time in
the cycle to be doing it.

Tracking of RC bugs, and tagging those (requires special permissions, but we 
can organise those).

Coming up with a solution to our communication problems, if web-ish stuff is 
your thing!

There is plenty of other non-technical stuff that goes on, but Ali would be 
best to fill you in on those!

Thanks
  Tim


>
> Cheers,
> Kristian
>


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Re: Moment of Truth

[Kristian Rink]

Hi there;

and first off, thanks for the message and for doing a great job on
Ubuntu GNOME so far. IMHO this is right now the best way of having a
modestly up-to-date GNOME on top of a *deb based package management,
and that's quite a good thing...


> That said, I am giving this community a chance until releasing 16.04
> in April to prove it's a real community. If this community won't
> start working as one team and one family, I am afraid I can't be part
> of this any more.

Well, where to get started and get involved quickly? Though I am by
profession into software development, my experience in working with
FOSS projects is very limited, and so is my spare time but I gladly
would contribute wherever / however possible...

Cheers,
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Moment of Truth

[Ali/amjjawad]

Hi all,

Ubuntu GNOME Team is working on Ubuntu GNOME project as volunteers and for
FREE (money) and none of them are getting paid 0.1$ whatsoever, period. We
do what we do because we love what we do.


In 22nd of July 2013, I have signed up and joined Ubuntu GNOME as a
volunteer. My contributions to this project are countless

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/UbuntuGNOME-Team
Mind you, last time I updated this page was:

amjjawad/UbuntuGNOME-Team (last edited 2014-11-16 19:39:52 by amjjawad
)


Yet, I am still around despite the fact that I am having serious and urgent
real-life issues I must solve ASAP .. yet, I am around and helping.

However, the way this community is doing is something I can't keep silent
about any more and to be more accurate, I don't and can't understand why
only very few must burnout and do all the job while 'most' of the others
take the comfortable view that someone else is looking after it and they're
not helping whenever we do need help?!

That said, I am giving this community a chance until releasing 16.04 in
April to prove it's a real community. If this community won't start working
as one team and one family, I am afraid I can't be part of this any more.

I definitely don't want to quit no matter how hard it is but the last
milestone, I understood clearly what is the real meaning of team-work which
I haven't seen much around.



*There are few names here, they're the main reason why I am still here.*
*Tim, Lance, and few others .. are the main reason why I am here still.*
The other reason is, I love what I do but it is getting a huge burden I no
longer wish to carry *ALONE* any more.

You need to know one important thing about me. I don't work in any project
alone. Whenever I work within any project, that project must have a team
and that team must be active.

I have done ALL what I could to make this community as active as it should
be but it seems I found 10,000 ways that did not work. So, this is my
10,001 try .. let's see :)

Thank you!

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Moment of Truth

[Ali Linx (amjjawad)]

Hi Ubuntu GNOME QA Team,

I am including the main list as well :)

From now and on, I will have more time for the QA Team which to be honest,
I have been a bit far from lately due to many reasons that you might be
aware of: I am handling '4' sub-teams at the same time :)

The work progress with the other sub-teams are really great so, starting
from today, I will have more time for the QA so be ready for my nagging :P

Okay, to be honest, I am wondering why Ubuntu GNOME QA have so many members
but the activities on the mailing lists don't really reflect that quantity?

https://launchpad.net/~ubuntugnome-qa/+members#active

That makes me think:

1- Either Ubuntu GNOME Trusty is ROCK SOLID and there are really few issues
which is super great
OR
2- Only few are active (those who are sending emails and reporting bugs -
do communicate and make themselves known) and the rest are INACTIVE which
is not acceptable :)

You see, we do need Quality over Quantity and this what I have been
personally doing for the past few months :)

All the other sub-teams are doing great specially the Wiki Team.
Our Marketing and Communications sub-team is doing great as well.
All these emails and planning is part of the Brainstorming Team.

So, I'd like to hear/read from you about the QA Team :)

- What do you think of this team?
- What do we really need?
- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/Testing has been updated 2 weeks ago
so is that enough? or is it still hard to follow?
- Should I worry and start recruiting more members/testers?
- Is it really mission impossible to have a meeting for the QA team?
- Whatever you have in mind, please ask :)

I will be waiting for your reply :)

While everything seems to be okay for now since we are on the Alpha 1 and
soon, will have Alpha 2 but that should not mean we take it easy :)

From my side, I will take sometime to come up with some 'new' ideas for
this team to make things be better, more fun and excited. BUT, I do need to
hear from you first, please :)

Thank you!

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Re: [Ubuntugnome-qa] Moment of Truth

[Andrea Crescentini]

1 - I think that the team need meeting to share problem and ask the olther 
member to test if is a single case or a important bug.

2 - I need only to say if there are particulary test to do

3 - No. I think It isn’t hard to follow

4 - Really I don’t know

5 - No. We can use Skype or equal. (Hangout have a user limit)






Andrea Crescentini





Da: amjja...@gmail.com
Data invio: ‎lunedì‎ ‎6‎ ‎gennaio‎ ‎2014 ‎13‎:‎19
A: ubuntugnome...@lists.launchpad.net
Cc: ubuntu-gnome@lists.ubuntu.com








Hi Ubuntu GNOME QA Team,

I am including the main list as well :)


From now and on, I will have more time for the QA Team which to be honest, I 
have been a bit far from lately due to many reasons that you might be aware of: 
I am handling '4' sub-teams at the same time :)

The work progress with the other sub-teams are really great so, starting from 
today, I will have more time for the QA so be ready for my nagging :P

Okay, to be honest, I am wondering why Ubuntu GNOME QA have so many members but 
the activities on the mailing lists don't really reflect that quantity? 






https://launchpad.net/~ubuntugnome-qa/+members#active



That makes me think:



1- Either Ubuntu GNOME Trusty is ROCK SOLID and there are really few issues 
which is super great


OR


2- Only few are active (those who are sending emails and reporting bugs - do 
communicate and make themselves known) and the rest are INACTIVE which is not 
acceptable :)



You see, we do need Quality over Quantity and this what I have been personally 
doing for the past few months :)



All the other sub-teams are doing great specially the Wiki Team. 
Our Marketing and Communications sub-team is doing great as well.


All these emails and planning is part of the Brainstorming Team.



So, I'd like to hear/read from you about the QA Team :)



- What do you think of this team?


- What do we really need?
- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/Testing has been updated 2 weeks ago so 
is that enough? or is it still hard to follow?


- Should I worry and start recruiting more members/testers?


- Is it really mission impossible to have a meeting for the QA team?


- Whatever you have in mind, please ask :)



I will be waiting for your reply :)



While everything seems to be okay for now since we are on the Alpha 1 and soon, 
will have Alpha 2 but that should not mean we take it easy :)



From my side, I will take sometime to come up with some 'new' ideas for this 
team to make things be better, more fun and excited. BUT, I do need to hear 
from you first, please :)  





Thank you!



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Best Regards,

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Re: [Ubuntugnome-qa] Moment of Truth

[Andrea Crescentini]

Oh Yes. Sorry for this.






Andrea Crescentini





Da: amjja...@gmail.com
Data invio: ‎lunedì‎ ‎6‎ ‎gennaio‎ ‎2014 ‎14‎:‎11
A: Andrea Crescentini
Cc: ubuntugnome...@lists.launchpad.net, ubuntu-gnome@lists.ubuntu.com








On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Andrea Crescentini cresh...@gmail.com wrote:



Hello Andrea,



First of all, thank you for your quick reply but would you please be so kind 
and subscribe to the general mailing list:
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome



So that I or Tim don't really need to keep approving your emails? :D








1 - I think that the team need meeting to share problem and ask the olther 
member to test if is a single case or a important bug.




That is why we have:
https://launchpad.net/~ubuntugnome-qa


and
ubuntugnome...@lists.launchpad.net



But yes, I strongly agree that we do need regular meetings :)



 




2 - I need only to say if there are particulary test to do




This Wiki Page has 'all' the information you may need:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/Testing



Please check all the links :)



 




3 - No. I think It isn’t hard to follow




Glad to know that :)



 




4 - Really I don’t know




No worries, I have already posted yet another call for help but seriously, our 
subscribers on the social media are sick and tired of such posts. I can't force 
anyone to join us and help with testing but then, they world needs to never 
blame Ubuntu GNOME in case something is broken with 14.04 :D


 




5 - No. We can use Skype or equal. (Hangout have a user limit)





No, either Google Hangout or IRC

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/Meetings



Thank you!


 









Andrea Crescentini





Da: amjja...@gmail.com
Data invio: lunedì 6 gennaio 2014 13:19
A: ubuntugnome...@lists.launchpad.net
Cc: ubuntu-gnome@lists.ubuntu.com










Hi Ubuntu GNOME QA Team,

I am including the main list as well :)


From now and on, I will have more time for the QA Team which to be honest, I 
have been a bit far from lately due to many reasons that you might be aware of: 
I am handling '4' sub-teams at the same time :)

The work progress with the other sub-teams are really great so, starting from 
today, I will have more time for the QA so be ready for my nagging :P

Okay, to be honest, I am wondering why Ubuntu GNOME QA have so many members but 
the activities on the mailing lists don't really reflect that quantity? 






https://launchpad.net/~ubuntugnome-qa/+members#active



That makes me think:



1- Either Ubuntu GNOME Trusty is ROCK SOLID and there are really few issues 
which is super great


OR


2- Only few are active (those who are sending emails and reporting bugs - do 
communicate and make themselves known) and the rest are INACTIVE which is not 
acceptable :)



You see, we do need Quality over Quantity and this what I have been personally 
doing for the past few months :)



All the other sub-teams are doing great specially the Wiki Team. 
Our Marketing and Communications sub-team is doing great as well.


All these emails and planning is part of the Brainstorming Team.



So, I'd like to hear/read from you about the QA Team :)



- What do you think of this team?


- What do we really need?
- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/Testing has been updated 2 weeks ago so 
is that enough? or is it still hard to follow?


- Should I worry and start recruiting more members/testers?


- Is it really mission impossible to have a meeting for the QA team?


- Whatever you have in mind, please ask :)



I will be waiting for your reply :)



While everything seems to be okay for now since we are on the Alpha 1 and soon, 
will have Alpha 2 but that should not mean we take it easy :)



From my side, I will take sometime to come up with some 'new' ideas for this 
team to make things be better, more fun and excited. BUT, I do need to hear 
from you first, please :)  





Thank you!



-- 




Remember: All of us are smarter than any one of us.
Best Regards,

amjjawad
Areas of Involvement
My Projects



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Re: [Ubuntugnome-qa] Moment of Truth

[Lance]

AFAIK Tim is the one and only ATM.

Maybe Ali's recruitment effort will reveal otherwise but right now it's all on 
Tim.

Lance





 From: Manuel Cuadra manuel...@gmail.com
To: Andrea Crescentini cresh...@gmail.com 
Cc: ubuntu-gnome@lists.ubuntu.com ubuntu-gnome@lists.ubuntu.com; 
ubuntugnome...@lists.launchpad.net ubuntugnome...@lists.launchpad.net 
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2014 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubuntugnome-qa] Moment of Truth
 


I have a question, who´s solving the Bugs?? 
Is there a programmer assigned for all the bugs? 



2014/1/6 Andrea Crescentini cresh...@gmail.com

Oh Yes. Sorry for this.



Andrea Crescentini


Da: amjja...@gmail.com
Data invio: lunedì 6 gennaio 2014 14:11
A: Andrea Crescentini
Cc: ubuntugnome...@lists.launchpad.net, ubuntu-gnome@lists.ubuntu.com




On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Andrea Crescentini cresh...@gmail.com wrote:


Hello Andrea,


First of all, thank you for your quick reply but would you please be so kind 
and subscribe to the general mailing list:
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome


So that I or Tim don't really need to keep approving your emails? :D




1 - I think that the team need meeting to share problem and ask the olther 
member to test if is a single case or a important bug.


That is why we have:
https://launchpad.net/~ubuntugnome-qa

and
ubuntugnome...@lists.launchpad.net


But yes, I strongly agree that we do need regular meetings :)


 
2 - I need only to say if there are particulary test to do


This Wiki Page has 'all' the information you may need:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/Testing


Please check all the links :)


 
3 - No. I think It isn’t hard to follow


Glad to know that :)


 
4 - Really I don’t know


No worries, I have already posted yet another call for help but seriously, our 
subscribers on the social media are sick and tired of such posts. I can't 
force anyone to join us and help with testing but then, they world needs to 
never blame Ubuntu GNOME in case something is broken with 14.04 :D

 
5 - No. We can use Skype or equal. (Hangout have a user limit)



No, either Google Hangout or IRC

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/Meetings


Thank you!

 


Andrea Crescentini


Da: amjja...@gmail.com
Data invio: lunedì 6 gennaio 2014 13:19
A: ubuntugnome...@lists.launchpad.net
Cc: ubuntu-gnome@lists.ubuntu.com


Hi Ubuntu GNOME QA Team,

I am including the main list as well :)

From now and on, I will have more time for the QA Team which to be honest, I 
have been a bit far from lately due to many reasons that you might be aware 
of: I am handling '4' sub-teams at the same time :)

The work progress with the other sub-teams are really great so, starting from 
today, I will have more time for the QA so be ready for my nagging :P

Okay, to be honest, I am wondering why Ubuntu GNOME QA have so many members 
but the activities on the mailing lists don't really reflect that quantity? 


https://launchpad.net/~ubuntugnome-qa/+members#active


That makes me think:


1- Either Ubuntu GNOME Trusty is ROCK SOLID and there are really few issues 
which is super great

OR

2- Only few are active (those who are sending emails and reporting bugs - do 
communicate and make themselves known) and the rest are INACTIVE which is not 
acceptable :)


You see, we do need Quality over Quantity and this what I have been 
personally doing for the past few months :)


All the other sub-teams are doing great specially the Wiki Team. 
Our Marketing and Communications sub-team is doing great as well.

All these emails and planning is part of the Brainstorming Team.


So, I'd like to hear/read from you about the QA Team :)


- What do you think of this team?

- What do we really need?
- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/Testing has been updated 2 weeks ago so 
is that enough? or is it still hard to follow?

- Should I worry and start recruiting more members/testers?

- Is it really mission impossible to have a meeting for the QA team?

- Whatever you have in mind, please ask :)


I will be waiting for your reply :)


While everything seems to be okay for now since we are on the Alpha 1 and 
soon, will have Alpha 2 but that should not mean we take it easy :)


From my side, I will take sometime to come up with some 'new' ideas for this 
team to make things be better, more fun and excited. BUT, I do need to hear 
from you first, please :)  



Thank you!


-- 

Remember: All of us are smarter than any one of us.
Best Regards,
amjjawad
Areas of Involvement
My Projects



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Re: [Ubuntugnome-qa] Moment of Truth

[Ali Linx (amjjawad)]

On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 11:32 PM, Manuel Cuadra manuel...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have a question, who´s solving the Bugs??
 Is there a programmer assigned for all the bugs?


Hi,

https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+milestone/trusty

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/GettingInvolved/WhoWeAre

:)

Whenever you see a name assigned to any bug on Launchpad, it means someone
is working on that.

We are lucky to have Tim and as always, it is a pleasure to work with super
nice developer like him who does communicate with his team, answers emails
himself, etc. Trust me, he is doing the right thing and trust me again
other communities don't have that at all.

Ubuntu GNOME QA Team has been founded to make life easier for our
developers. If we managed to gain the skills and experiences to actually
fix bugs? that is the best of the best for sure. However, for now, we need
to do the most basic task of this team, that is testing :)

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/Testing
I believe this page has everything that a tester needs to know.

If there is anything not clear, I and everyone here will be more than glad
to explain in details.

Thank you :)

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Re: [Ubuntugnome-qa] Moment of Truth

[Ali Linx (amjjawad)]

On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 1:42 AM, Lance lbsol...@yahoo.com wrote:

 It took me nearly four hours to figure out how to create a gnome/bugzilla
 account and file my first bug so maybe we need to improve the documentation
 regarding that process.

 Lance


Hi Lance,

Bugzilla? AFAIK, we at Ubuntu GNOME are only using Launchpad for reporting
bugs :)
I have never heard anything such as using both areas for bugs. That is
indeed why our Testing Wiki Page doesn't explain this in details. Launchpad
is what we use and what we ask our testers to use:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/Testing

Thank you!

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Re: [Ubuntugnome-qa] Moment of Truth

[Lance]

That was done at Tim's request:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1266307/comments/2

But I didn't mind .. Tim's on the ball :^)

It's so very good to have someone actually pay attention to bugs I'll jump 
through any hoop for Tim :^)

Lance




 From: Ali Linx (amjjawad) amjja...@gmail.com
To: Lance lbsol...@yahoo.com 
Cc: ubuntu-gnome ubuntu-gnome@lists.ubuntu.com; ubuntugnome-qa 
ubuntugnome...@lists.launchpad.net 
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2014 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubuntugnome-qa] Moment of Truth
 





On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 1:42 AM, Lance lbsol...@yahoo.com wrote:

It took me nearly four hours to figure out how to create a gnome/bugzilla 
account and file my first bug so maybe we need to improve the documentation 
regarding that process.

Lance



Hi Lance,


Bugzilla? AFAIK, we at Ubuntu GNOME are only using Launchpad for reporting bugs 
:)
I have never heard anything such as using both areas for bugs. That is indeed 
why our Testing Wiki Page doesn't explain this in details. Launchpad is what we 
use and what we ask our testers to use:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/Testing


Thank you!
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Re: [Ubuntugnome-qa] Moment of Truth

[Ali Linx (amjjawad)]

On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 2:05 AM, Tim t...@feathertop.org wrote:


 On 07/01/14 08:46, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:



 On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 1:42 AM, Lance lbsol...@yahoo.com wrote:

  It took me nearly four hours to figure out how to create a
 gnome/bugzilla account and file my first bug so maybe we need to improve
 the documentation regarding that process.

 Lance


  Hi Lance,

  Bugzilla? AFAIK, we at Ubuntu GNOME are only using Launchpad for
 reporting bugs :)

 It is not uncommon for developers to request the Bug reporter to file the
 Bug upstream where relevant, obviously the actual reporter can usually
 provide more info, testing etc.

 That said upstream bugs should really only be submitted once an Ubuntu
 Developer has requested it.


 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Upstream/GNOME


Hi,

And the world is wondering why I love Ubuntu GNOME so much :D

Note added with the link:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/Testing#Bugs

What a great community that I am part of :D

Thank you!

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Re: [Ubuntugnome-qa] Moment of Truth

[Lance]

Excellent!

Lance





 From: Ali Linx (amjjawad) amjja...@gmail.com
To: Tim t...@feathertop.org 
Cc: ubuntu-gnome ubuntu-gnome@lists.ubuntu.com; ubuntugnome-qa 
ubuntugnome...@lists.launchpad.net 
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2014 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubuntugnome-qa] Moment of Truth
 





On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 2:05 AM, Tim t...@feathertop.org wrote:



On 07/01/14 08:46, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:




On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 1:42 AM, Lance lbsol...@yahoo.com wrote:

It took me nearly four hours to figure out how to create a gnome/bugzilla 
account and file my first bug so maybe we need to improve the documentation 
regarding that process.

Lance




Hi Lance,


Bugzilla? AFAIK, we at Ubuntu GNOME are only using Launchpad for reporting 
bugs :)

It is not uncommon for developers to request the Bug reporter to file the Bug 
upstream where relevant, obviously the actual reporter can usually provide more 
info, testing etc. 

That said upstream bugs should really only be submitted once an
Ubuntu Developer has requested it.


https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Upstream/GNOME



Hi,


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Re: [Ubuntugnome-qa] Moment of Truth

[Steve Ovens]

On the issue of bugs, when we see something that differs from stock gnome
that we would like back, some projects have these filed as bugs. How should
this be handled in Ubuntu Gnome?

I am specifically thinking about how the network icon is missing in Trusty
as compared to my Arch install. I find it very disruptive to click on the
top right corner, select settings and then network to get to network
settings. I assume this is a feature request and not actually a bug?
On Jan 6, 2014 5:28 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) amjja...@gmail.com wrote:



 On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 2:05 AM, Tim t...@feathertop.org wrote:


 On 07/01/14 08:46, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:



 On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 1:42 AM, Lance lbsol...@yahoo.com wrote:

  It took me nearly four hours to figure out how to create a
 gnome/bugzilla account and file my first bug so maybe we need to improve
 the documentation regarding that process.

 Lance


  Hi Lance,

  Bugzilla? AFAIK, we at Ubuntu GNOME are only using Launchpad for
 reporting bugs :)

 It is not uncommon for developers to request the Bug reporter to file the
 Bug upstream where relevant, obviously the actual reporter can usually
 provide more info, testing etc.

 That said upstream bugs should really only be submitted once an Ubuntu
 Developer has requested it.


 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Upstream/GNOME


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Re: [Ubuntugnome-qa] Moment of Truth

[Steve Ovens]

Hi Tim,

I have 2 nics on trusty with the gnome 3 ppa so yes 3.10. It wasnt until i
added my vpn connection that it showed more than the volume and shut down
menus. Even than it still just has the vpn dropdown for on/off

Regards
On Jan 6, 2014 6:44 PM, Tim t...@feathertop.org wrote:


 On 07/01/14 10:38, Steve Ovens wrote:

 On the issue of bugs, when we see something that differs from stock gnome
 that we would like back, some projects have these filed as bugs. How should
 this be handled in Ubuntu Gnome?

 I am specifically thinking about how the network icon is missing in Trusty
 as compared to my Arch install. I find it very disruptive to click on the
 top right corner, select settings and then network to get to network
 settings. I assume this is a feature request and not actually a bug?

 Is this on gnome-shell 3.10?
 What network connections do you have?

 On Jan 6, 2014 5:28 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) amjja...@gmail.com wrote:



 On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 2:05 AM, Tim t...@feathertop.org wrote:


 On 07/01/14 08:46, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:



 On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 1:42 AM, Lance lbsol...@yahoo.com wrote:

  It took me nearly four hours to figure out how to create a
 gnome/bugzilla account and file my first bug so maybe we need to improve
 the documentation regarding that process.

 Lance


  Hi Lance,

  Bugzilla? AFAIK, we at Ubuntu GNOME are only using Launchpad for
 reporting bugs :)

  It is not uncommon for developers to request the Bug reporter to file
 the Bug upstream where relevant, obviously the actual reporter can usually
 provide more info, testing etc.

 That said upstream bugs should really only be submitted once an Ubuntu
 Developer has requested it.


 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Upstream/GNOME


  Hi,

  And the world is wondering why I love Ubuntu GNOME so much :D

  Note added with the link:
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/Testing#Bugs

  What a great community that I am part of :D

  Thank you!

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Re: [Ubuntugnome-qa] Moment of Truth

[Tim]

  
  

On 07/01/14 12:01, Steve Ovens wrote:


  Hi Tim,
  I have 2 nics on trusty with the gnome 3 ppa so yes
3.10. It wasnt until i added my vpn connection that it showed
more than the volume and shut down menus. Even than it still
just has the vpn dropdown for on/off

I believe that in 3.10 the network icon is not shown when you have a
wired ethernet as your primary connection, it will of course be
shown for wireless, bluetooth etc connections. 

  Regards
  On Jan 6, 2014 6:44 PM, "Tim" t...@feathertop.org
wrote:

   
On 07/01/14 10:38, Steve Ovens wrote:


  On the issue of bugs, when we see something
that differs from stock gnome that we would like back,
some projects have these filed as bugs. How should this
be handled in Ubuntu Gnome?
   I am specifically thinking about how the
network icon is missing in Trusty as compared to my Arch
install. I find it very disruptive to click on the top
right corner, select settings and then network to get to
network settings. I assume this is a feature request and
not actually a bug?

Is this on gnome-shell 3.10?
What network connections do you have?

  On Jan 6, 2014 5:28 PM, "Ali Linx
(amjjawad)" amjja...@gmail.com

wrote:

  

  
  On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at
2:05 AM, Tim t...@feathertop.org
wrote:

  
 
  On 07/01/14 08:46, Ali Linx
(amjjawad) wrote:
  
  

  

On Tue, Jan
  7, 2014 at 1:42 AM, Lance lbsol...@yahoo.com
  wrote:
  

  It took me
nearly four hours to figure
out how to create a
gnome/bugzilla account and
file my first bug so maybe
we need to improve the
documentation regarding that
process.

Lance

  

  
  
  
  Hi Lance,

  
  Bugzilla? AFAIK, we at Ubuntu
GNOME are only using Launchpad
for reporting bugs :)
  

  

  

It is not uncommon for developers to request
the Bug reporter to file the Bug upstream
where relevant, obviously the actual
reporter can usually provide more info,
testing etc. 

That said upstream bugs should really only
be submitted once an Ubuntu Developer has
requested it.


https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Upstream/GNOME


  



Hi,
  

And the world is wondering why I love
  Ubuntu GNOME so much :D
  

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  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/Testing#Bugs