Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu on Apple Mac's
Onkar Shinde wrote: > > >> 2) all praise for ubuntu is praise for apple and mac in disguise. mark >> shuttleworth is 100% inspired by the design and aesthetics and >> UI-approach of apple. he makes no bones about this. >> > > > Did he say that? How about some link to some article or interview? > By the way, Ubuntu's uses GNOME as default desktop which I do not find > much similar to Mac OS X. Also Mark Shuttleworth himself does not make > many UI related decisions nor he is actively contributing to GNOME > project. Apart from that GNOME has been making steady improvements and > I don't think the approach has ever been 'we do it like Mac OS X' AFAIK, KDE and GNOME both projects are no way trying to imitate the UI of Mac or Windows. Sometimes the look and feel of themes, and the colors chosen might make us feel related to these OS's UIs if we are used to them before we encounter GNOME/KDE. When I started using GNU/Linux, GNOME looked completely different from Windows desktop, which I knew of then, while KDE's blue color reminded me of Windows. But, once I started more and more using both these desktops I discovered that this initial resemblance was completely matter of coincidence. In addition, as some one who had been given the gyan about Computer UI evolution, the Computer desktop UI interface was much influenced by Mac. Infact, Macintosh Human Interface Guidelines is considered to be one of the earliest and well documented UI guidelines in the field of Human-Computer Interaction. Let's give them the credit where it is due, but do not fall for mere similarities. Indeed, every creation in this world by humans are influenced by something else, mostly nature's creations and sometimes other human(s) creation. -- --- With Regards, Parthan "technofreak" 2FF01026 http://blog.technofreak.in -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu on Apple Mac's
Hi, On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 10:50 PM, Onkar Shinde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > 2) all praise for ubuntu is praise for apple and mac in disguise. mark > > shuttleworth is 100% inspired by the design and aesthetics and > > UI-approach of apple. he makes no bones about this. > > > Did he say that? How about some link to some article or interview? > By the way, Ubuntu's uses GNOME as default desktop which I do not find > much similar to Mac OS X. Also Mark Shuttleworth himself does not make > many UI related decisions nor he is actively contributing to GNOMhe earlier > > project. Apart from that GNOME has been making steady improvements and > I don't think the approach has ever been 'we do it like Mac OS X'. I'm sorry I missed the first part of this conversation, but has anyone actually managed to dual-boot a MAC with Ubuntu ? -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] Some problems on Ubuntu 7.04 /7.10and some questions
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 7:51 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi > > Have been struggling with some niggling problems (well maybe more than > niggling) The original ubuntu is 7.04 with some partial upgrades / > updates from 7.10. > > I also installed some additional packages to try and improve access to > other file systems and some auto mount tools and what has happened is > that vfat partitions on external USB devices like FAT32 an FAT16 file > systems don't get mounted. > the programs installed are automount, cdfs-src , fuseutils. > > There is an VFAT partition on my laptop hard disk which mounts normally. > > The error i get while trying to mount these external systems is > > "Cannot Mount Volume > > Unable to Mount the volume "S_disc' > > mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1, missing > codepage or helper program or other error. In some cases useful infor is > found in syslog - try dmesg|tail or so" > > then > ram-laptop:~$ dmesg |tail > [ 1037.76] sdb: Mode Sense: 27 00 00 00 > [ 1037.76] sdb: assuming drive cache: write through > [ 1037.76] sdb: sdb1 sdb2 > [ 1037.78] sd 6:0:0:0: Attached scsi disk sdb > [ 1037.78] sd 6:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0 > [ 1038.236000] FAT: Unrecognized mount option "usefree" or missing value > [ 1038.292000] kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds > [ 1038.292000] EXT3 FS on sdb2, internal journal > [ 1038.292000] EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. > [ 1837.152000] FAT: Unrecognized mount option "usefree" or missing value > > which i don't understand ?? > > so whats this problem and how can it be resolved. > *** > I have not done a full upgrade from 7.04 to 7.10 because the first time > i did it crashed the x-org and i had to reinstall 7.04 and then do only > selective upgrades (of some packages) from 7.10. Also unable to install > 7.10 because i have only the repository DVD's and not a boot cd / dvd. Can you please tell us what kind of enhancements you wanted to do for which ytou installed automount, cdfs-src , fuseutils? By the way, AFAIK, the DVD is also bootable if you have downloaded it from mirrors and not created one yourself. Onkar -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu on Apple Mac's
> 2) all praise for ubuntu is praise for apple and mac in disguise. mark > shuttleworth is 100% inspired by the design and aesthetics and > UI-approach of apple. he makes no bones about this. Did he say that? How about some link to some article or interview? By the way, Ubuntu's uses GNOME as default desktop which I do not find much similar to Mac OS X. Also Mark Shuttleworth himself does not make many UI related decisions nor he is actively contributing to GNOME project. Apart from that GNOME has been making steady improvements and I don't think the approach has ever been 'we do it like Mac OS X'. Onkar -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] Retrieving Track details from Audio CD's
The track information will be storen in thumbs.db file which is invisible in windows On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Kingsly John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > +++ Ramnarayan.K [2008-06-03 10:11:31]: > > > AFAIK even when winamp or other windows media players have been > > offline they are still able to get / show the trackand album details > > (basically name of the song etc) Even in the days when we (as in where > > i am) did not have internet we got the track details which would mean > > they are stored somewhere on the disc itself. So why can't we just get > > that info. > > The info needs to be there on the disc for it to be retreived. Most CDs > don't have that information. CDDB/FreeDB exist to provide that information, > based on other details from the disc. > > > Second (maybe unrelated) why can't i browse an Audio CD like a > > regualar disc ?? > > Because Audio CDs don't have a file system.(Audio CDs outdate PCs! CD-ROM > drives came much later!) > > > > > > >> i have a cd Cafe De Flore and Sound Juicer shows all the track details > > >> nicely - how come ?? > > > > > these details were available in Sound Juicer not wincedoze > > It must have CD-Text information on the disc.(an extension to the redbook > standard that regular audio CDs use.) > > Kingsly > -- > --- > Kingsly At Users Dot SourceForge Dot Net -- http://kingsly.org/ > --- > > -- > ubuntu-in mailing list > ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in > > -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu on Apple Mac's
I have nothing against the Mac as an operating system, what I hate is the way it gets handled by Steve Jobs and company. I agree MS copies apple's designs but Windows also makes more money than Apple out of the same stuff and at the same time, it makes the same stuff more popular than apple could ever make it. Simply because apples tries to use most of their devices features towards making more money from their customers. >and soon passions run high. this > alone is a sign of the cultural impact and a measure of the success of > apple. These emotions aren't always positive towards apple, I agree nobody 'likes' Microsoft but for some reason there are many who simply 'hate' apple. And its pretty visible on almost every Group and Community dealing with OSs. -- From: "Linux Lingam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 6:31 PM To: "Ubuntu India Local Community" Subject: Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu on Apple Mac's > [snip] > > some quick, sobering thoughts: > > 1) if you like or prefer windows, remember, the macbook is the only > laptop (so far) on which you can run mac, win, gnulinux, concurrently. > so those choosing mac over win or vice-versa, can choose both. > > 2) all praise for ubuntu is praise for apple and mac in disguise. mark > shuttleworth is 100% inspired by the design and aesthetics and > UI-approach of apple. he makes no bones about this. > > 3) from its inception till its current version and even future > versions, windows is completely inspired by apple mac os. study some > computer history to discover more. > > 4) the engineering that has recently gone into mac os X is spectacular. > > > in conclusion: one innovates. the others replicate, in a fashion. > > i remember someone told me a few years ago apple announced its > worldwide developer conference (and incidentally, before the launch of > vista). the posters at the conference were big bold, screaming with > the headilne "seattle, fire up your photocopiers" or words to that > effect > i never verified this personally, just took his word for it. > > anyways. > > do remember that such is the power and mystique of apple and the mac, > that any discussion around it soon turns from technical and objective, > in the words of the great design guru dave esslinger: > "form follows emotion" > > regards > niyam > > -- > ubuntu-in mailing list > ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu on Apple Mac's
[snip] some quick, sobering thoughts: 1) if you like or prefer windows, remember, the macbook is the only laptop (so far) on which you can run mac, win, gnulinux, concurrently. so those choosing mac over win or vice-versa, can choose both. 2) all praise for ubuntu is praise for apple and mac in disguise. mark shuttleworth is 100% inspired by the design and aesthetics and UI-approach of apple. he makes no bones about this. 3) from its inception till its current version and even future versions, windows is completely inspired by apple mac os. study some computer history to discover more. 4) the engineering that has recently gone into mac os X is spectacular. in conclusion: one innovates. the others replicate, in a fashion. i remember someone told me a few years ago apple announced its worldwide developer conference (and incidentally, before the launch of vista). the posters at the conference were big bold, screaming with the headilne "seattle, fire up your photocopiers" or words to that effect i never verified this personally, just took his word for it. anyways. do remember that such is the power and mystique of apple and the mac, that any discussion around it soon turns from technical and objective, to purely emotional and subjective, and soon passions run high. this alone is a sign of the cultural impact and a measure of the success of apple. in the words of the great design guru dave esslinger: "form follows emotion" regards niyam -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] wireless in Hardy
I saw this problem for wired interfaces also. It does not even work from GUI. But since I am back to Gutsy. i can't confirm this again. On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Gaurish Sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > i have ipw3954 card, my problem is that Ubuntu does not Respect the > hardware switch for wireless. > Turn it on does not turn WIFI on in UBuntu, i have to do, if up & if > down to make it work. > > Its irrigating > > -- > ubuntu-in mailing list > ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in > -- -- ALLAH HAFIZ --- Mir Nazim --- mobile: +91-9906478306 --- website: http://www.xensoftlabs.com blog: http://mirnazim.wordpress.com --- Yahoo, Gmail/GTalk, Skype, AOL : mirnazim -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] wireless in Hardy
Hi, i have ipw3954 card, my problem is that Ubuntu does not Respect the hardware switch for wireless. Turn it on does not turn WIFI on in UBuntu, i have to do, if up & if down to make it work. Its irrigating -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu on Apple Mac's
> You are so wrong! The Mac has a very lively and helpful community > around it, even though its closed and paid. My God, these guys are making money even from 'lively and helpful communities', I prefer calling it 'paid support'. Like I said, Huge Overpriced Advertisement to earn more money for Steve Jobs. Saying Macs don't have > decent third-party apps is the same as people crying Linux not having > enough apps. Its baseless, because I have always found Linux apps to > be much better than their Windows counterparts, and there is no such > app I have not found (for anything) Linux apps are better than Windows apps, I completely agree with that statement but I was talking about Mac apps. How many third party apps do you have on a mac? > I am sorry, but its really too noobish to say anything is more > insecure than Windows. UNIX and its derivatives have always been built > with security in mind. Never wondered why the core-servers and massive > supercomputers run Linux or UNIX? The Google carpet-bombing issue was > heavily debated, and I refrain to comment on that. Apple has always > listened to its users (read this thread from the start) and it shows > why they have a niche market. If Apple didn't care about security, I > am sure no hacker would use a Mac, and we know the blessed ones do > exactly the opposite ;-) Apple listens to people only if it helps them in making more money from them, otherwise they completely ignore the issue, they did a stealth install of Safari on Windows machines and now refuse to work on the bugs, because they would not gain any money out of it. > Vista totally disappoints. Its a waste of money, hardware, effort. > The best option for me is to have the sleekest OS on a machine without > paying a penny (Linux), or the sleekest OS and a sleeker machine by > paying money (Apple), but definitely not a crappy OS on a humongous > machine by paying even more. Ubuntu is a sleek OS and it works great, that's why I have it on my PC but Vista ain't that bad either. If Microsoft sold Vista hardcoded on their own heavily tested branded hardware like mac does, it would've worked exactly like or even better than a Mac. On the other hand, if Mac comes out on a DVD for your existing PC, the kind of criticism it would generate would be enough to send Steve Jobs straight to hell. -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu on Apple Mac's
> Why aren't there any decent third party apps for Mac, macboys use an excuse > that it has everything inbuilt and the same people would curse windows > inbuilt IE > and WMP as half baked. You are so wrong! The Mac has a very lively and helpful community around it, even though its closed and paid. Saying Macs don't have decent third-party apps is the same as people crying Linux not having enough apps. Its baseless, because I have always found Linux apps to be much better than their Windows counterparts, and there is no such app I have not found (for anything) > Its unsecure to the core and more importantly apple doesn't care about > security issues (google carpet bombing), the only reason why their loopholes > don't come > to light is because there are rarely any people you'd find who really made > the mistake of buying a mac. I am sorry, but its really too noobish to say anything is more insecure than Windows. UNIX and its derivatives have always been built with security in mind. Never wondered why the core-servers and massive supercomputers run Linux or UNIX? The Google carpet-bombing issue was heavily debated, and I refrain to comment on that. Apple has always listened to its users (read this thread from the start) and it shows why they have a niche market. If Apple didn't care about security, I am sure no hacker would use a Mac, and we know the blessed ones do exactly the opposite ;-) > if given a choice out of the 2 devils (mac and windows) i'll go with the > lesser devil Windows. My dual boot Ubuntu and Vista PC rocks. Vista totally disappoints. Its a waste of money, hardware, effort. The best option for me is to have the sleekest OS on a machine without paying a penny (Linux), or the sleekest OS and a sleeker machine by paying money (Apple), but definitely not a crappy OS on a humongous machine by paying even more. Apart from that, I may also refer you to badvista.fsf.org Cheers! Pratul -- dum vivimus, vivamus 70 72 61 74 75 6C http://pratul.in -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
