Re: Please check my thinking on bug 646979

2010-10-04 Thread James Westby
On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 17:01:01 -0500, John Arbash Meinel j...@arbash-meinel.com 
wrote:
 On 9/29/2010 11:23 PM, James Westby wrote:
  What merge package does is first merge the two upstream revisions
  together, taking the tree from whichever has the highest version number.
  
---B---F
   /  /   /
  /  / .-D--.
  \ A-=  H
   \`-E-`
\  \
 C--G
  
  Currently it will then just merge H in to G (the target). This can
  generate conflicts, which are very, very confusing to users, as it's
  incredibly hard to explain why they are getting them.
  

 Does merging D  E generate conflicts itself? It would seem that if
 merging to G generates conflicts, then you should have gotten a conflict
 in the intermediate stage as well. (offhand the best you can usually
 hope for is more understandable conflicts, unless you have a real
 'criss-cross' merge and we are selecting a very poor base.)

It is not a real merge.

We create a new revision with D  E as parents, and the contents of the
later of the two (defined in terms of upstream version numbers). So, no,
there is no possibility of conflicts at this stage.

   A
  /|\
 E D B
 |\|\|\
 | H F C
  \ \| |
   \ I |
\  |
 \ |
  \|
   G

 Now you have a genuine criss-cross. As the lcas are E and B (ancestors
 of both I and G that are not superseded by a more recent ancestor.)

 Just using 3-way merge (vs say --weave) I would expect this to conflict
 more than merging H = G, because of our specific base selection (when
 we find a criss-cross 3-way goes to the next base, which will be A,
 which then will try to merge (I-A) into (G-A).

That's unfortunate.

Is there a way we could use our increased knowledge about the revisions
involved to merge with a strategy that would make this situation better?

Would it be beneficial to have some concrete examples to try out?

Thanks,

James

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Re: Please check my thinking on bug 646979

2010-10-04 Thread John Arbash Meinel
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...
 We create a new revision with D  E as parents, and the contents of the
 later of the two (defined in terms of upstream version numbers). So, no,
 there is no possibility of conflicts at this stage.

So you preserve the content of exactly D or E, you just generate a new
node in the graph to supersede the other one, correct?

Say D is the 'winner', then you end up with a patch that reverts
everything in E.

In the below graph, the content in H == D, so when generating I, we
should see D as the common base, and I would then == F (because H - D ==
NULL, so there is nothing to apply to F to generate I)

 
   A
  /|\
 E D B
 |\|\|\
 | H F C
  \ \| |
   \ I |
\  |
 \ |
  \|
   G
 
 Now you have a genuine criss-cross. As the lcas are E and B (ancestors
 of both I and G that are not superseded by a more recent ancestor.)
 
 Just using 3-way merge (vs say --weave) I would expect this to conflict
 more than merging H = G, because of our specific base selection (when
 we find a criss-cross 3-way goes to the next base, which will be A,
 which then will try to merge (I-A) into (G-A).
 
 That's unfortunate.
 
 Is there a way we could use our increased knowledge about the revisions
 involved to merge with a strategy that would make this situation better?

- --weave is one option. :) (or per-file merge which we've talked about
many times but haven't found the cycles to implement.)


Going further with the above example, it really depends on what you
want. From what you've stated about whichever one wins, then you sort
of simplify what you want. You explicitly stated that you are rejecting
any of the 2.1 changes that weren't in 3.0. I'm having a bit of a hard
time figuring out what you are trying to preserve in G, versus just
telling it and now you are F/I.

 
 Would it be beneficial to have some concrete examples to try out?
 
 Thanks,
 
 James
 

Probably. Examples can certainly shed light on confusing points.

John
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Mobile IRC Meeting Reminder

2010-10-04 Thread Michael Casadevall
Hi,

  Every Tuesday at 13:00 UTC.

We'll be having the usual IRC meeting on #ubuntu-meeting, on
Tueday 2010-10-04 at 13:00 UTC.

The new meeting page for this weeks meeting is at:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20101004

Please add any topics of conversation that need to be covered at:

If you have agenda items, please add them to the page on
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20101004 before the
meeting.  It will also greatly help if you tag your agenda items with
your name or IRC nick.

The meeting history page with links to prior meetings is at:
http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting

Thank you,
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Re: Mobile IRC Meeting Reminder

2010-10-04 Thread Michael Casadevall
Apologies, the date should be 2010-10-05, and the URL is
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20101005
Michael

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Michael Casadevall
mcasadev...@ubuntu.com wrote:
 Hi,

          Every Tuesday at 13:00 UTC.

 We'll be having the usual IRC meeting on #ubuntu-meeting, on
 Tueday 2010-10-04 at 13:00 UTC.

 The new meeting page for this weeks meeting is at:
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20101004

 Please add any topics of conversation that need to be covered at:

 If you have agenda items, please add them to the page on
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20101004 before the
 meeting.  It will also greatly help if you tag your agenda items with
 your name or IRC nick.

 The meeting history page with links to prior meetings is at:
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Chairing the QA meeting

2010-10-04 Thread Ara Pulido
Hello all,

I have put a small wiki page with instructions that you may find useful
in case you are a usual chair of the QA meeting or you plan to be:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings/Chairing

Cheers!
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Re: Chairing the QA meeting

2010-10-04 Thread Charlie Kravetz
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On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 15:28:08 +0200
Ara Pulido a...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 Hello all,
 
 I have put a small wiki page with instructions that you may find useful
 in case you are a usual chair of the QA meeting or you plan to be:
 
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings/Chairing
 
 Cheers!
 Ara.
 

Thank you! That looks so much easier than finding all the items by
searching the wiki and mailing lists.

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New member to Ubuntu testing

2010-10-04 Thread Sujith S
Hi ,

My name is Sujith S.I have been using ubuntu for past 6months and I am
now very much intrested ubuntu testing team.

Kindly give me the advises by giving me where can I start contributing ?
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[ubuntu-in] Fwd: Ubuntu not booting up

2010-10-04 Thread Aanjhan Ranganathan
@Shubham - Please join the ubuntu india list if you have'nt done yet.

https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in

 Original Message 
Subject: Ubuntu not booting up
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 10:56:31 +0530
From: Shubham Chakraborty s.chakrabo...@vikaspublishing.com
To: adm...@ubuntu-in.info

Hi
I have been using ubuntu for about two years now. But recently after
upgrading to Ubuntu 10.04 I have suffered from the biggest problem faced.
It doesn't boot up.
It shows the ubuntu logo and then after around three minutes it shows that
UUID path not found. Then the laptop goes off.
I have a lot of data in my ubuntu drive and can't afford to re-install as my
laptop has only two partitions one windows and one ubuntu.
Kindly help.

Regards
Shubham Chakraborty
Editor (Higher Education)
Vikas Publishing House Pvt Ltd, E-28, Sector-8, NOIDA
Email (O): s.chakrabo...@vikaspublishing.com




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Re: [ubuntu-in] sudo user on Fedora

2010-10-04 Thread g...@sarai.net
On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 23:05:00 +0530 Narendra Sisodiya
naren...@narendrasisodiya.com wrote

 How We can create settings to that user will become sudo user.
 
 I know this procedure. http://lug-iitd.org/Shell_Scripts#SUDO
 How ubuntu manage to do it automatically.
[...]

What is wrong with the above procedure?

Ubuntu probably does the same thing behind the scenes, or
maybe it just adds the default user at install time to the
admin group, as /etc/sudoers has:
# Members of the admin group may gain root privileges
%admin ALL=(ALL) ALL

Regards,
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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Pilote pour cartes ATI

2010-10-04 Thread Samuel Heroux
bienvenue dans la gimmick des jeux sur ordi !
-_-

2010/10/3 Dany Veilleux immorte...@hotmail.com

 Bonjour Gregory,

 Merci beaucoup pour ce partage d'information. Ca confirme mes craintes.
 J'ai perdu confiance en ATI, il y a plusieurs années lorsqu'ils avaient
 sorti un carte TV/Tuner et qui était voulu à de bonnes performances
 graphiques et avec les pilotes, c'était un ou l'autre, ils n'ont jamais
 réussi à faire des bons pilotes qui avaient les deux. Et je parle de sur
 Windows.

 Bref, ca répond à ma question merci beaucoup.

 J'ai essayé StarCraft 2 sur Windows sur ma machine et j'ai des
 performances pas mal supérieure à Wine sous Linux mais machine n'est
 quand même pas assez puissante. 700$ pour pouvoir jouer à un jeux, c'est
 quand même décourageant. :)

 Dany

 On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 17:47 -0400, Gregory Eric Sanderson wrote:
  J'ai 2 postes que j'utilise à tous les jours :
 
 
  - Ubuntu Nvidia, 2 moniteurs (mode twinview) : poste de bureau pour
  mon travail
  - Arch Linux ATI : laptop personnel
 
 
  Dans les 2 cas j'utilise les drivers propriétaires.
 
 
  Sur mon ubuntu je n'ai jamais eu de problèmes avec la carte graphique
  ou avec mes moniteurs. Les mises à jour se sont toujours fait sans
  souci, les options de configuration dans xorg.conf sont sainement
  configurable et semble bien s'intégrer avec le reste de ma config
  bizaroide (j'ai tendance à passer bcp de temps à tweaker toute ce
  qui se trouve dans /etc, et xorg.conf ne fait pas exception) et puis
  comme Samuel a mentionné, Nvidia tiens leurs drivers pas mal plus à
  jour qu'ATI (je vais donner un exemple un peu plus bas). En gros, je
  suis très satisfait avec Nvidia
 
 
  J'ai aussi eu une carte Nvidia pendant un petit moment sur une tour
  personelle (avant que le AC explose) avec Arch Linux ou je faisait un
  peu de gaming sous wine. Même si je n'ai pas gardé ce setup pendant
  longtemps, Les graphiques ont toujours été fluides, et les mises à
  jour sans problèmes
 
 
  En contre partie, sur mon laptop la situation est un cauchemar. Arch
  Linux est une distribution basé sur le modèle du rolling release.
   En bref dès qu'une nouvelle version d'un logiciel est disponible elle
  est ajouté aux dépôts, ce qui veut dire que des mises à jour de Xorg
  arrivent souvent. Par contre, Catalyst (le nom du driver propriétaire
  d'ATI) ne se tient pas tout aussi à jour. On ne sait jamais quand
  est-ce qu'une nouvelle version du driver va sortir, et quand elle
  sort, on est certain à 90 % du temps qu'elle ne marche pas avec la
  dernière version de Xorg. Juste hier, je n'ai pas pu faire une mise à
  jour complète de mon système parce-que catalyst 10.9 ne marche pas
  avec xorg-xserver 1.9. C'est la 6e fois que ça m'arrive de ne pas
  pouvoir mettre à jour Xorg à cause de catalyst.
 
 
  La configuration n'est pas beaucoup mieux. Bien que X n'a plus besoin
  de xorg.conf pour fonctionner, j'aime bien configurer les choses à ma
  façon. Mais avec ma carte ATI, je ne suis même pas capable de me
  générer un xorg.conf bare bones. La commande X -configure plante à
  chaque fois (tandis qu'avec Nivida ça fonctionne nickel). je suis
  obligé d'utiliser l'outil propriétaire aticonfig pour générer un
  xorg.conf de départ, et la manière que c'est généré est plus
  dégeulasse qu'un site d'enfouissement des vidanges, Je n'ai même pas
  encore ajouté mes propres options personnalisés, et j'ai déja un
  fichier de config bâtard ! De plus, l'outil graphique équivalent
  (amdcccle) plante les 3/4 du temps (tandis que je n'ai jamais vu celui
  de nvidia planter encore une fois)
 
 
  J'ai du passer une fin de semaine au complet à tester différents
  setups commun pour produire 4 fichiers xorg.conf différents que
  j'utilise quand je branche un moniteur externe (dépendant du type de
  moniteur), et même à ça je dois prier que ça fonctionne du premier
  coup quand je branche le moniteur.
 
 
  Ah, et j'ai pas parlé des bugs graphiques. La version 10.7 de catalyst
  génère des gros blocs gris dans les applications GTK comme firefox de
  manière alléatoire, bloquant parfois la page au complet. Plusieurs
  personnes ont reporté le bug, et la seule réponse d'ATI est que le
  problème est connu. nous vous conseillons de désactiver option xyz
  dans votre configuration en attendant de trouver une solution plus
  permanente. Sauf que quand cette option est désactivé, le taux de
  rafraîchissement est 3 fois plus lent. Un simple fichier avi n'est
  plus jouable. Ce bug n'est toujours pas corrigé dans la version 10.9,
  et en tant que programmeur, je trouve ça innaceptable de laisser un
  bug aussi majeur traîner aussi longtemps, avec comme seul solution de
  venir handicapper la carte graphique.
 
 
 
 
  Certes, si j'utilisais ubuntu à place sur mon laptop ( la où la
  version de Xorg et de catalyst ne change pas à tout bout de champ ) la
  situation serait peut-être différente. Il se peut juste que la version
  de la carte graphique que j'ai sois 

[Ubuntu-QC] Rappel: Linux-Meetup de la ville de Quebec (5 oct. 2010)

2010-10-04 Thread Martial Bigras
Bonjour,

*Vous voulez partager des trucs et astuces avec certains logiciels libres
sous Linux  c'est le temps de venir au Linux-Meetup pour partager votre
savoir  ou pour apprendre des autres :-)
*
Le Linux-Meetup (ou Linux-Causerie) d'octobre sera très éducatif,
puisqu'il y a aura un échange de trucs et astuces des logiciels libres sous
Linux.

Voici comment se déroulera la soirée:

   - On fera un premier tour de table rapide des participants et chacun
   indiquera un logiciel (ou en Linux) qu'il aimerait avoir certaines astuces.
   - et lors du 2e tour de table, les experts des domaines souhaités
   répondront aux questions, on démontrant certains trucs et astuces
   live, en direct avec le projecteur !

Nous invitons tous les amateurs de logiciels libres (peu importe la
plate-forme) à venir discuter. C'est vraiment une excellente occasion de
socialiser et de faire connaissance avec les autres qui partagent les mêmes
intérêts.

Le Linux-Meetup se fera dans l'ambiance décontracté du Café-bistro
Tousazimut (291 rue Saint-Vallier Est, Québec) de 17:30 à 21:30 (vous
pouvez même souper sur place avec nous).

La rencontre est gratuite et ouverte à tous (de débutants à experts) et
rassemble des gens de diverses professions: gestionnaires, professeurs,
administrateurs de systèmes, ingénieurs, programmeurs, retraités, étudiants,
etc...

Les Linux-Meetup se déroulent simultanément à travers le monde à tous les
premiers mardis du mois dont dans plusieurs régions du Québec (voir
http://www.GULQuebec.org/ http://www.gulquebec.org/

).

Vous pouvez confirmer votre présence de deux façons:
* sur Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=108003505931278


* ou envoyez-moi un courriel

Bienvenue à tous !

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] warning: Non ubuntu thread! Fwd: Transcript of 4 Oct 2010 7:25:17. Visitor: javad. Operator: Jessica Waynick.

2010-10-04 Thread javadayaz
the lady got a bit defensive when i asked her if she was a man in africa
trying to steal my monies!!!

I guess HRH prince mabubu was busy!

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Vince Marsters vi...@marsters.co.uk wrote:

  Just to add it looks like the website was only registered early in
 September and has US contacts - nothing connecting it to the UK at all.

 As you said - too good to be true.


 On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 13:28 +0100, javadayaz wrote:

 i thought their prices were too good to be true!!

  On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Vince Marsters vi...@marsters.co.uk
 wrote:

  As soon as I read no credit cards but only Western Union then the alarm
 bells started ringing for me. I wouldn't just walk away but would be running
 as fast as I could.

 Also I didn't see anywhere on the website where a postal address is shown.
 AFAIK it is a legal requirement in the UK for all internet companies to
 provide this.

 Vince




 On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 13:05 +0100, javadayaz wrote:

 Hi,


 Many of you may know of my efforts to get a revo installed with ubuntu as a
 media centre for my living roomwhat do you make of this offer here?




 -- Forwarded message --
 From: *ProvideSupport* transcr...@providesupport.com
 Date: Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 12:47 PM
 Subject: Transcript of 4 Oct 2010 7:25:17. Visitor: javad. Operator:
 Jessica Waynick.
 To: javada...@gmail.com javada...@gmail.com


 Chat Transcript

 Visitor: javad
 Operator: Jessica Waynick
 Company: digital-switch.com
 Started: 4 Oct 2010 7:25:17
 Finished: 4 Oct 2010 7:47:40

 javad: on this item CODE: 0099802702922...what is the size of the monitor?
 * Welcome javad! Your request has been directed to the Technical Support
 department. Please wait for our operator to answer your call.
 * Call accepted by operator Jessica Waynick. Currently in room: Jessica
 Waynick, javad.
 Jessica Waynick: I am can only answer questions about return policy,
 payment methods and shipping. For this kind of questions, please use the
 contact form from the website and the guys from the sales department will
 answer.
 javad: sorry i thought this was the technical support department!!!
 javad: do you accept paypal or google checkout as payment methods?
 Jessica Waynick: From Oct/01/2010 to Oct/07/2010 we don't accept credit
 cards. This is an offer sponsored by Western Union, the prices are lower by
 60% because of this, so the only payment method available is Western union
 wire transfer. After this time period, you can purchase by credit card, but
 also the prices are going to be much higher.
 javad: so i cant pay via my debit card?
 Jessica Waynick: no, you can't this week
 javad: but i can after the 7th of oct.?
 Jessica Waynick: Yes
 javad: after which prices will go up too?
 Jessica Waynick: yes, by 60%
 javad: so to take advantage of the 60% off offer i need to make western
 union transfer? where do i make the transfer to?
 Jessica Waynick: Please locate here
 http://www.westernunion.com/info/agentInquiryIntl.asp a Western Union
 agent near you. You will must have the money in cash and a valid ID with
 you. After the wire transfer is completed, please scan the copy of the
 Western Union receipt and send it by email at ord...@digital-switch.com .
 You will also have to include in the email the following details: MTCN (
 Money Transfer Control Number ) - 10 digits number from the payment receipt
 - Sender Name and Address - Receiver Name ( agent name ) - Amount Western
 Union has offered two sponsored payment options, one for its own advertising
 and brand awareness and the other for the Yele Haiti Organization. 1.You
 will send the payment by Western Union without disclosing the purpose of the
 transfer to the Western Union agent from where you are going to send the
 payment. It this case, you will only have to pay the reduced price of your
 order and you will receive with your items the book  Western Union At Your
 Service Since 1851. 2. If you will send the payment by Western Union and
 disclose the purpose of the transfer to the agent, you will have to pay the
 reduced price for your order plus a £250 fee as donation for the Yele Haiti,
 a non-political movement that has built global awareness for Haiti while
 helping to sustain the country through short-term emergency relief efforts
 and long-term programs.
 Jessica Waynick: You will have to order the items first
 Jessica Waynick: You will receive detailed payment instructions by email
 and also on your account.
 javad: this sounds like a really good offer
 javad: where in the uk are goods dispatched from?
 javad: can i pick them up personally
 javad: ?
 Jessica Waynick: We only ship the items, we are an internet based store,
 like many others. Local pick up it not an option.
 javad: do you support any other charities ?
 Jessica Waynick: Not at the moment.
 javad: are you a man in africa trying to steal my money?

 Visitor Details
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] warning: Non ubuntu thread! Fwd: Transcript of 4 Oct 2010 7:25:17. Visitor: javad. Operator: Jessica Waynick.

2010-10-04 Thread javadayaz
i thought their prices were too good to be true!!

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Vince Marsters vi...@marsters.co.uk wrote:

  As soon as I read no credit cards but only Western Union then the alarm
 bells started ringing for me. I wouldn't just walk away but would be running
 as fast as I could.

 Also I didn't see anywhere on the website where a postal address is shown.
 AFAIK it is a legal requirement in the UK for all internet companies to
 provide this.

 Vince


 On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 13:05 +0100, javadayaz wrote:

 Hi,



  Many of you may know of my efforts to get a revo installed with ubuntu as
 a media centre for my living roomwhat do you make of this offer here?





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 From: *ProvideSupport* transcr...@providesupport.com
 Date: Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 12:47 PM
 Subject: Transcript of 4 Oct 2010 7:25:17. Visitor: javad. Operator:
 Jessica Waynick.
 To: javada...@gmail.com javada...@gmail.com


 Chat Transcript

 Visitor: javad
 Operator: Jessica Waynick
 Company: digital-switch.com
 Started: 4 Oct 2010 7:25:17
 Finished: 4 Oct 2010 7:47:40

 javad: on this item CODE: 0099802702922...what is the size of the monitor?
 * Welcome javad! Your request has been directed to the Technical Support
 department. Please wait for our operator to answer your call.
 * Call accepted by operator Jessica Waynick. Currently in room: Jessica
 Waynick, javad.
 Jessica Waynick: I am can only answer questions about return policy,
 payment methods and shipping. For this kind of questions, please use the
 contact form from the website and the guys from the sales department will
 answer.
 javad: sorry i thought this was the technical support department!!!
 javad: do you accept paypal or google checkout as payment methods?
 Jessica Waynick: From Oct/01/2010 to Oct/07/2010 we don't accept credit
 cards. This is an offer sponsored by Western Union, the prices are lower by
 60% because of this, so the only payment method available is Western union
 wire transfer. After this time period, you can purchase by credit card, but
 also the prices are going to be much higher.
 javad: so i cant pay via my debit card?
 Jessica Waynick: no, you can't this week
 javad: but i can after the 7th of oct.?
 Jessica Waynick: Yes
 javad: after which prices will go up too?
 Jessica Waynick: yes, by 60%
 javad: so to take advantage of the 60% off offer i need to make western
 union transfer? where do i make the transfer to?
 Jessica Waynick: Please locate here
 http://www.westernunion.com/info/agentInquiryIntl.asp a Western Union
 agent near you. You will must have the money in cash and a valid ID with
 you. After the wire transfer is completed, please scan the copy of the
 Western Union receipt and send it by email at ord...@digital-switch.com .
 You will also have to include in the email the following details: MTCN (
 Money Transfer Control Number ) - 10 digits number from the payment receipt
 - Sender Name and Address - Receiver Name ( agent name ) - Amount Western
 Union has offered two sponsored payment options, one for its own advertising
 and brand awareness and the other for the Yele Haiti Organization. 1.You
 will send the payment by Western Union without disclosing the purpose of the
 transfer to the Western Union agent from where you are going to send the
 payment. It this case, you will only have to pay the reduced price of your
 order and you will receive with your items the book  Western Union At Your
 Service Since 1851. 2. If you will send the payment by Western Union and
 disclose the purpose of the transfer to the agent, you will have to pay the
 reduced price for your order plus a £250 fee as donation for the Yele Haiti,
 a non-political movement that has built global awareness for Haiti while
 helping to sustain the country through short-term emergency relief efforts
 and long-term programs.
 Jessica Waynick: You will have to order the items first
 Jessica Waynick: You will receive detailed payment instructions by email
 and also on your account.
 javad: this sounds like a really good offer
 javad: where in the uk are goods dispatched from?
 javad: can i pick them up personally
 javad: ?
 Jessica Waynick: We only ship the items, we are an internet based store,
 like many others. Local pick up it not an option.
 javad: do you support any other charities ?
 Jessica Waynick: Not at the moment.
 javad: are you a man in africa trying to steal my money?

 Visitor Details
 ---
 Please select the department you would like to reach: Technical Support
 Your Name: javad
 Your Question: on this item CODE: 0099802702922...what is the size of the
 monitor?
 IP Address: 62.172.160.254
 Host Name: 62.172.160.254
 Referrer: 
 http://www.google.co.uk/products?q=acerrevohl=enshow=ddlnk=pruserprice1=100price2=150
 Browser/OS: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US)
 AppleWebKit/534.3 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/6.0.472.63 Safari/534.3
 Location: Milton Keynes, England, United Kingdom

 

Re: [ubuntu-uk] warning: Non ubuntu thread! Fwd: Transcript of 4 Oct 2010 7:25:17. Visitor: javad. Operator: Jessica Waynick.

2010-10-04 Thread Roy Jamison
If you look at the registered address it is 57th  Park Avenue
New York, NY 10022... that's a road intersection lol
http://www.merchantcircle.com/business/Digital.Switch.800-305-9203

If it looks too good to true, it usually is.

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 1:28 PM, javadayaz javada...@gmail.com wrote:
 i thought their prices were too good to be true!!

 On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Vince Marsters vi...@marsters.co.uk wrote:

 As soon as I read no credit cards but only Western Union then the alarm
 bells started ringing for me. I wouldn't just walk away but would be running
 as fast as I could.

 Also I didn't see anywhere on the website where a postal address is shown.
 AFAIK it is a legal requirement in the UK for all internet companies to
 provide this.

 Vince

 On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 13:05 +0100, javadayaz wrote:

 Hi,

 Many of you may know of my efforts to get a revo installed with ubuntu as
 a media centre for my living roomwhat do you make of this offer here?



 -- Forwarded message --
 From: ProvideSupport transcr...@providesupport.com
 Date: Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 12:47 PM
 Subject: Transcript of 4 Oct 2010 7:25:17. Visitor: javad. Operator:
 Jessica Waynick.
 To: javada...@gmail.com javada...@gmail.com


 Chat Transcript

 Visitor: javad
 Operator: Jessica Waynick
 Company: digital-switch.com
 Started: 4 Oct 2010 7:25:17
 Finished: 4 Oct 2010 7:47:40

 javad: on this item CODE: 0099802702922...what is the size of the monitor?
 * Welcome javad! Your request has been directed to the Technical Support
 department. Please wait for our operator to answer your call.
 * Call accepted by operator Jessica Waynick. Currently in room: Jessica
 Waynick, javad.
 Jessica Waynick: I am can only answer questions about return policy,
 payment methods and shipping. For this kind of questions, please use the
 contact form from the website and the guys from the sales department will
 answer.
 javad: sorry i thought this was the technical support department!!!
 javad: do you accept paypal or google checkout as payment methods?
 Jessica Waynick: From Oct/01/2010 to Oct/07/2010 we don't accept credit
 cards. This is an offer sponsored by Western Union, the prices are lower by
 60% because of this, so the only payment method available is Western union
 wire transfer. After this time period, you can purchase by credit card, but
 also the prices are going to be much higher.
 javad: so i cant pay via my debit card?
 Jessica Waynick: no, you can't this week
 javad: but i can after the 7th of oct.?
 Jessica Waynick: Yes
 javad: after which prices will go up too?
 Jessica Waynick: yes, by 60%
 javad: so to take advantage of the 60% off offer i need to make western
 union transfer? where do i make the transfer to?
 Jessica Waynick: Please locate here
 http://www.westernunion.com/info/agentInquiryIntl.asp a Western Union agent
 near you. You will must have the money in cash and a valid ID with you.
 After the wire transfer is completed, please scan the copy of the Western
 Union receipt and send it by email at ord...@digital-switch.com . You will
 also have to include in the email the following details: MTCN ( Money
 Transfer Control Number ) - 10 digits number from the payment receipt -
 Sender Name and Address - Receiver Name ( agent name ) - Amount Western
 Union has offered two sponsored payment options, one for its own advertising
 and brand awareness and the other for the Yele Haiti Organization. 1.You
 will send the payment by Western Union without disclosing the purpose of the
 transfer to the Western Union agent from where you are going to send the
 payment. It this case, you will only have to pay the reduced price of your
 order and you will receive with your items the book  Western Union At Your
 Service Since 1851. 2. If you will send the payment by Western Union and
 disclose the purpose of the transfer to the agent, you will have to pay the
 reduced price for your order plus a £250 fee as donation for the Yele Haiti,
 a non-political movement that has built global awareness for Haiti while
 helping to sustain the country through short-term emergency relief efforts
 and long-term programs.
 Jessica Waynick: You will have to order the items first
 Jessica Waynick: You will receive detailed payment instructions by email
 and also on your account.
 javad: this sounds like a really good offer
 javad: where in the uk are goods dispatched from?
 javad: can i pick them up personally
 javad: ?
 Jessica Waynick: We only ship the items, we are an internet based store,
 like many others. Local pick up it not an option.
 javad: do you support any other charities ?
 Jessica Waynick: Not at the moment.
 javad: are you a man in africa trying to steal my money?

 Visitor Details
 ---
 Please select the department you would like to reach: Technical Support
 Your Name: javad
 Your Question: on this item CODE: 0099802702922...what is the size of the
 monitor?
 IP Address: 62.172.160.254
 Host Name: 

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Diagnostics tools

2010-10-04 Thread Jacob Mansfield
must be a drivers problem

On 4 October 2010 11:04, John Matthews jake...@sky.com wrote:

   On 04/10/10 10:23, javadayaz wrote:

 Well it was working fine before...and i havent disabled anything! i will
 have to check if its somehow manage to disable itself!!!

 On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Philip Stubbs phi...@stuphi.co.ukwrote:

 On 4 October 2010 09:13, javadayaz javada...@gmail.com wrote:
  still awaiting an answer
  Why would my keyboard work in the bios settings but not when i boot up
 in
  normal or when i running a livecd? would this still be related to the
  overheating cpu?

 Some time ago, when I first tried a USB keyboard, there was a setting
 in the BIOS that I had to enable to allow it to work. Not sure what
 the setting was, but until I had fixed it, the behaviour was as you
 describe. I guess with newer hardware, the default will be to expect a
 USB keyboard. Have you looked through all the BIOS options?

 --
 Philip Stubbs

 --
 ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com
 https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/




 --
 Regards

 Javad


 I have a similar problem, all the numbers on the right hand side wont work.
 Bought two new keyboards, and they wont work either. Nobody seems to be able
 to work that one out either, and I cant.

 Real pain too.

 John

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 Ubuntu User #30817


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] warning: Non ubuntu thread! Fwd: Transcript of 4 Oct 2010 7:25:17. Visitor: javad. Operator: Jessica Waynick.

2010-10-04 Thread Roy Jamison
lol! Fonejacker springs to mind with a guy sitting in a box asking for
monies Sir...I wouldn't touch this with a barge pole! For the sake
of a few extra quid, you'd be better off sticking with a known
brand/seller. Western Union do not give back money for buyer/seller
mistakes like Paypal do - once the money's transferred that's it, no
bank to back you up (Fraud Prevention Team)
60% off is usually the closing down clearance type sale, but I don't
know any retailer that would hike the prices back up after a week if
they're selling their stock off... the mind boggles on this one...

If you want a cheap monitor, you can get a 21.6 TV from Tesco now for
£99, or maybe it was £119, and it can double as a monitor with the VGA
ports :) Failing that you could try Maplin, SVP or eBay for some
bargains...or even Freecycle/Freegle if you're not fussed about
picking up second-hand stuff from strangers houses for free ;)

Just a few suggestions :)


On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 1:05 PM, javadayaz javada...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,
 Many of you may know of my efforts to get a revo installed with ubuntu as a
 media centre for my living roomwhat do you make of this offer here?


 -- Forwarded message --
 From: ProvideSupport transcr...@providesupport.com
 Date: Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 12:47 PM
 Subject: Transcript of 4 Oct 2010 7:25:17. Visitor: javad. Operator: Jessica
 Waynick.
 To: javada...@gmail.com javada...@gmail.com


 Chat Transcript

 Visitor: javad
 Operator: Jessica Waynick
 Company: digital-switch.com
 Started: 4 Oct 2010 7:25:17
 Finished: 4 Oct 2010 7:47:40

 javad: on this item CODE: 0099802702922...what is the size of the monitor?
 * Welcome javad! Your request has been directed to the Technical Support
 department. Please wait for our operator to answer your call.
 * Call accepted by operator Jessica Waynick. Currently in room: Jessica
 Waynick, javad.
 Jessica Waynick: I am can only answer questions about return policy, payment
 methods and shipping. For this kind of questions, please use the contact
 form from the website and the guys from the sales department will answer.
 javad: sorry i thought this was the technical support department!!!
 javad: do you accept paypal or google checkout as payment methods?
 Jessica Waynick: From Oct/01/2010 to Oct/07/2010 we don't accept credit
 cards. This is an offer sponsored by Western Union, the prices are lower by
 60% because of this, so the only payment method available is Western union
 wire transfer. After this time period, you can purchase by credit card, but
 also the prices are going to be much higher.
 javad: so i cant pay via my debit card?
 Jessica Waynick: no, you can't this week
 javad: but i can after the 7th of oct.?
 Jessica Waynick: Yes
 javad: after which prices will go up too?
 Jessica Waynick: yes, by 60%
 javad: so to take advantage of the 60% off offer i need to make western
 union transfer? where do i make the transfer to?
 Jessica Waynick: Please locate here
 http://www.westernunion.com/info/agentInquiryIntl.asp a Western Union agent
 near you. You will must have the money in cash and a valid ID with you.
 After the wire transfer is completed, please scan the copy of the Western
 Union receipt and send it by email at ord...@digital-switch.com . You will
 also have to include in the email the following details: MTCN ( Money
 Transfer Control Number ) - 10 digits number from the payment receipt -
 Sender Name and Address - Receiver Name ( agent name ) - Amount Western
 Union has offered two sponsored payment options, one for its own advertising
 and brand awareness and the other for the Yele Haiti Organization. 1.You
 will send the payment by Western Union without disclosing the purpose of the
 transfer to the Western Union agent from where you are going to send the
 payment. It this case, you will only have to pay the reduced price of your
 order and you will receive with your items the book  Western Union At Your
 Service Since 1851. 2. If you will send the payment by Western Union and
 disclose the purpose of the transfer to the agent, you will have to pay the
 reduced price for your order plus a £250 fee as donation for the Yele Haiti,
 a non-political movement that has built global awareness for Haiti while
 helping to sustain the country through short-term emergency relief efforts
 and long-term programs.
 Jessica Waynick: You will have to order the items first
 Jessica Waynick: You will receive detailed payment instructions by email and
 also on your account.
 javad: this sounds like a really good offer
 javad: where in the uk are goods dispatched from?
 javad: can i pick them up personally
 javad: ?
 Jessica Waynick: We only ship the items, we are an internet based store,
 like many others. Local pick up it not an option.
 javad: do you support any other charities ?
 Jessica Waynick: Not at the moment.
 javad: are you a man in africa trying to steal my money?

 Visitor Details
 ---
 Please select the department you 

Re: [ubuntu-uk] warning: Non ubuntu thread! Fwd: Transcript of 4 Oct 2010 7:25:17. Visitor: javad. Operator: Jessica Waynick.

2010-10-04 Thread Neil Greenwood
On 4 October 2010 13:35, Roy Jamison xtee...@googlemail.com wrote:
 If you look at the registered address it is 57th  Park Avenue
 New York, NY 10022... that's a road intersection lol
 http://www.merchantcircle.com/business/Digital.Switch.800-305-9203

That's fairly normal for US addresses in an office overlooking the
intersection (so it'll be on one of the 4 corners of the intersection,
rather than in the middle of the road!).

Sometimes you will see a compass direction to show which of the 4
buildings the office is in.


 If it looks too good to true, it usually is.


In spite of my comments above, I'd agree and give this a miss.

Cofion/Regards,
Neil.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Diagnostics tools

2010-10-04 Thread John Matthews

On 04/10/10 10:23, javadayaz wrote:
Well it was working fine before...and i havent disabled anything! i 
will have to check if its somehow manage to disable itself!!!


On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Philip Stubbs phi...@stuphi.co.uk 
mailto:phi...@stuphi.co.uk wrote:


On 4 October 2010 09:13, javadayaz javada...@gmail.com
mailto:javada...@gmail.com wrote:
 still awaiting an answer
 Why would my keyboard work in the bios settings but not when i
boot up in
 normal or when i running a livecd? would this still be related
to the
 overheating cpu?

Some time ago, when I first tried a USB keyboard, there was a setting
in the BIOS that I had to enable to allow it to work. Not sure what
the setting was, but until I had fixed it, the behaviour was as you
describe. I guess with newer hardware, the default will be to expect a
USB keyboard. Have you looked through all the BIOS options?

--
Philip Stubbs

--
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https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
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--
Regards

Javad



I have a similar problem, all the numbers on the right hand side wont 
work. Bought two new keyboards, and they wont work either. Nobody seems 
to be able to work that one out either, and I cant.


Real pain too.

John

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Ubuntu User #30817

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Diagnostics tools

2010-10-04 Thread javadayaz
Well it was working fine before...and i havent disabled anything! i will
have to check if its somehow manage to disable itself!!!

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Philip Stubbs phi...@stuphi.co.uk wrote:

 On 4 October 2010 09:13, javadayaz javada...@gmail.com wrote:
  still awaiting an answer
  Why would my keyboard work in the bios settings but not when i boot up in
  normal or when i running a livecd? would this still be related to the
  overheating cpu?

 Some time ago, when I first tried a USB keyboard, there was a setting
 in the BIOS that I had to enable to allow it to work. Not sure what
 the setting was, but until I had fixed it, the behaviour was as you
 describe. I guess with newer hardware, the default will be to expect a
 USB keyboard. Have you looked through all the BIOS options?

 --
 Philip Stubbs

 --
 ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com
 https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/




-- 
Regards

Javad
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Diagnostics tools

2010-10-04 Thread JON TAYLOR
 ?
 On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 12:31 +0100, javadayaz wrote:
 I don't think it is..looks clean enough. How can I check? Just blow on
 it?

 I( had a machine with the same problem that worked fine after I'd taken
 the heatsink off, cleaned it and the CPU and applied new heatsink
 compound before puting it back together.

 Regards, Barry Drake.
 --
 Sent from my Dell Netbook using Ubuntu - the window-free environment
 that gives me real fresh air.


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Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 09:13:59 +0100
From: javadayaz javada...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Diagnostics tools
To: UK Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com, bdr...@crosswire.org
Message-ID:
aanlktimvw1c_=u4qepshq=te0z4fr=tsq9p13elp-...@mail.gmail.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

still awaiting an answer

Why would my keyboard work in the bios settings but not when i boot up in
normal or when i running a livecd? would this still be related to the
overheating cpu?

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 6:09 PM, javadayaz javada...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ok will try this then...

 Can anyone explain the non functioning keyboard in ubuntu ?
  On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 12:31 +0100, javadayaz wrote:
  I don't think it is..looks clean enough. How can I check? Just blow on
  it?
 
  I( had a machine with the same problem that worked fine after I'd taken
  the heatsink off, cleaned it and the CPU and applied new heatsink
  compound before puting it back together.
 
  Regards, Barry Drake.
  --
  Sent from my Dell Netbook using Ubuntu - the window-free environment
  that gives me real fresh air.
 
 
  --
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From: Philip Stubbs phi...@stuphi.co.uk
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Diagnostics tools
To: UK Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com
Message-ID:
aanlktiklpn333gn8benfwogtv64kv_q5bfxwys+0q...@mail.gmail.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

On 4 October 2010 09:13, javadayaz javada...@gmail.com wrote:
 still awaiting an answer
 Why would my keyboard work in the bios settings but not when i boot up in
 normal or when i running a livecd? would this still be related to the
 overheating cpu?

Some time ago, when I first tried a USB keyboard, there was a setting
in the BIOS that I had to enable to allow it to work. Not sure what
the setting was, but until I had fixed it, the behaviour was as you
describe. I guess with newer hardware, the default will be to expect a
USB keyboard. Have you looked through all the BIOS options?

-- 
Philip Stubbs



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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 10:23:51 +0100
From: javadayaz javada...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Diagnostics tools
To: UK Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com
Message-ID:
aanlktimt+m0htb8uwycmy_cdumhfz3jgx+gu72whg...@mail.gmail.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Well it was working fine before...and i havent disabled anything! i will
have to check if its somehow manage to disable itself!!!

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Philip Stubbs phi...@stuphi.co.uk wrote:

 On 4 October 2010 09:13, javadayaz javada...@gmail.com wrote:
  still awaiting an answer
  Why would my keyboard work in the bios settings but not when i boot up in
  normal or when i running a livecd? would this still be related to the
  overheating cpu?

 Some time ago, when I first tried a USB keyboard, there was a setting
 in the BIOS that I had to enable to allow it to work. Not sure what
 the setting was, but until I had fixed it, the behaviour was as you
 describe. I guess with newer hardware, the default will be to expect a
 USB keyboard. Have you looked through all the BIOS options?

 --
 Philip Stubbs

 --
 ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com
 https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/




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Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 11:04:46 +0100
From: John Matthews jake...@sky.com
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Diagnostics tools
To: UK Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com
Message-ID: 4ca9a6be.6020...@sky.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

On 04/10/10 10:23, javadayaz wrote:
 Well it was working fine

Re: [ubuntu-uk] warning: Non ubuntu thread! Fwd: Transcript of 4 Oct 2010 7:25:17. Visitor: javad. Operator: Jessica Waynick.

2010-10-04 Thread Jacob Mansfield
so more woman in russia stealing your monies

On 4 October 2010 13:35, javadayaz javada...@gmail.com wrote:

 the lady got a bit defensive when i asked her if she was a man in africa
 trying to steal my monies!!!

 I guess HRH prince mabubu was busy!


 On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Vince Marsters vi...@marsters.co.ukwrote:

 Just to add it looks like the website was only registered early in
 September and has US contacts - nothing connecting it to the UK at all.

 As you said - too good to be true.


 On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 13:28 +0100, javadayaz wrote:

 i thought their prices were too good to be true!!

 On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Vince Marsters vi...@marsters.co.uk
 wrote:

  As soon as I read no credit cards but only Western Union then the alarm
 bells started ringing for me. I wouldn't just walk away but would be running
 as fast as I could.

 Also I didn't see anywhere on the website where a postal address is shown.
 AFAIK it is a legal requirement in the UK for all internet companies to
 provide this.

 Vince




 On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 13:05 +0100, javadayaz wrote:

 Hi,


 Many of you may know of my efforts to get a revo installed with ubuntu as
 a media centre for my living roomwhat do you make of this offer here?




 -- Forwarded message --
 From: *ProvideSupport* transcr...@providesupport.com
 Date: Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 12:47 PM
 Subject: Transcript of 4 Oct 2010 7:25:17. Visitor: javad. Operator:
 Jessica Waynick.
 To: javada...@gmail.com javada...@gmail.com


 Chat Transcript

 Visitor: javad
 Operator: Jessica Waynick
 Company: digital-switch.com
 Started: 4 Oct 2010 7:25:17
 Finished: 4 Oct 2010 7:47:40

 javad: on this item CODE: 0099802702922...what is the size of the monitor?
 * Welcome javad! Your request has been directed to the Technical Support
 department. Please wait for our operator to answer your call.
 * Call accepted by operator Jessica Waynick. Currently in room: Jessica
 Waynick, javad.
 Jessica Waynick: I am can only answer questions about return policy,
 payment methods and shipping. For this kind of questions, please use the
 contact form from the website and the guys from the sales department will
 answer.
 javad: sorry i thought this was the technical support department!!!
 javad: do you accept paypal or google checkout as payment methods?
 Jessica Waynick: From Oct/01/2010 to Oct/07/2010 we don't accept credit
 cards. This is an offer sponsored by Western Union, the prices are lower by
 60% because of this, so the only payment method available is Western union
 wire transfer. After this time period, you can purchase by credit card, but
 also the prices are going to be much higher.
 javad: so i cant pay via my debit card?
 Jessica Waynick: no, you can't this week
 javad: but i can after the 7th of oct.?
 Jessica Waynick: Yes
 javad: after which prices will go up too?
 Jessica Waynick: yes, by 60%
 javad: so to take advantage of the 60% off offer i need to make western
 union transfer? where do i make the transfer to?
 Jessica Waynick: Please locate here
 http://www.westernunion.com/info/agentInquiryIntl.asp a Western Union
 agent near you. You will must have the money in cash and a valid ID with
 you. After the wire transfer is completed, please scan the copy of the
 Western Union receipt and send it by email at ord...@digital-switch.com .
 You will also have to include in the email the following details: MTCN (
 Money Transfer Control Number ) - 10 digits number from the payment receipt
 - Sender Name and Address - Receiver Name ( agent name ) - Amount Western
 Union has offered two sponsored payment options, one for its own advertising
 and brand awareness and the other for the Yele Haiti Organization. 1.You
 will send the payment by Western Union without disclosing the purpose of the
 transfer to the Western Union agent from where you are going to send the
 payment. It this case, you will only have to pay the reduced price of your
 order and you will receive with your items the book  Western Union At Your
 Service Since 1851. 2. If you will send the payment by Western Union and
 disclose the purpose of the transfer to the agent, you will have to pay the
 reduced price for your order plus a £250 fee as donation for the Yele Haiti,
 a non-political movement that has built global awareness for Haiti while
 helping to sustain the country through short-term emergency relief efforts
 and long-term programs.
 Jessica Waynick: You will have to order the items first
 Jessica Waynick: You will receive detailed payment instructions by email
 and also on your account.
 javad: this sounds like a really good offer
 javad: where in the uk are goods dispatched from?
 javad: can i pick them up personally
 javad: ?
 Jessica Waynick: We only ship the items, we are an internet based store,
 like many others. Local pick up it not an option.
 javad: do you support any other charities ?
 Jessica Waynick: Not at the moment.
 javad: are you a man in africa trying to 

Re: [ubuntu-uk] warning: Non ubuntu thread! Fwd: Transcript of 4 Oct 2010 7:25:17. Visitor: javad. Operator: Jessica Waynick.

2010-10-04 Thread javadayaz
Hilarious! The chat has now been taken offline.


On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Neil Greenwood neil.greenwood@gmail.com
 wrote:

 On 4 October 2010 13:35, Roy Jamison xtee...@googlemail.com wrote:
  If you look at the registered address it is 57th  Park Avenue
  New York, NY 10022... that's a road intersection lol
  http://www.merchantcircle.com/business/Digital.Switch.800-305-9203

 That's fairly normal for US addresses in an office overlooking the
 intersection (so it'll be on one of the 4 corners of the intersection,
 rather than in the middle of the road!).

 Sometimes you will see a compass direction to show which of the 4
 buildings the office is in.

 
  If it looks too good to true, it usually is.
 

 In spite of my comments above, I'd agree and give this a miss.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] warning: Non ubuntu thread! Fwd: Transcript of 4 Oct 2010 7:25:17. Visitor: javad. Operator: Jessica Waynick.

2010-10-04 Thread javadayaz
and lastly:

javad:
awesomebtw take a guess which websites im posting your messages to? they
will see what a professional website you are!
Jessica Waynick:
don't know, enlighten me.
javad:
Wonga
javad:
oh righ!
Jessica Waynick:
lol, we own kiva
Jessica Waynick:
wonga is kind o ours too


On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 3:49 PM, javadayaz javada...@gmail.com wrote:

 and more!!

 javad:
 really? how much can the travelling pigeons carry? im concerned about
 animal welfare!
  There are no operators available at the moment. If you would like to
 leave a message, please type it in the input field below and click Send
 button
  javad is now off-line and may not reply. Currently in room: room is empty
 .
  Call accepted by operator Jessica Waynick. Currently in room: Jessica
 Waynick.
  javad is now on-line. Currently in room: javad, Jessica Waynick.
 Jessica Waynick:
 They can carry a lot.
 javad:
 thats good. Will the pc come suitable wrapped. Its a present and i dont
 want the person to know the pigeon is carry that resembles a revo!
 javad:
 is this doable?
 Jessica Waynick:
 It is. Nevertheless the flying pigeons are always horny, so hide your wife
 or daughter as soon as they arrive.
 javad:
 Will do! But as deterrent can you dispatch with neutered pigeons?
 Jessica Waynick:
 Yes, of course but the neutered pigeons will like you, so...
 javad:
 hey im open minded!
 javad:
 know any michael jackson jokes?
 Jessica Waynick:
 They like uro and other shit, you like?
 javad:
 erm sure
 javad:
 but back to the revodoes it come in black?


 On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 3:37 PM, javadayaz javada...@gmail.com wrote:

 javad:
 can i get a acer revo for free?
  Call accepted by operator Jessica Waynick. Currently in room: javad,Jessica
 Waynick.
 Jessica Waynick:
 Yes of course.
 Jessica Waynick:
 We can ship it by traveling pigeons.
 Jessica Waynick:
 Where are you located?
  Jessica Waynick has left the conversation. Currently in room: javad.


 proves that even scammers have a sense of humour!

 On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 3:32 PM, javadayaz javada...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hilarious! The chat has now been taken offline.


 On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Neil Greenwood 
 neil.greenwood@gmail.com wrote:

 On 4 October 2010 13:35, Roy Jamison xtee...@googlemail.com wrote:
  If you look at the registered address it is 57th  Park Avenue
  New York, NY 10022... that's a road intersection lol
  http://www.merchantcircle.com/business/Digital.Switch.800-305-9203

 That's fairly normal for US addresses in an office overlooking the
 intersection (so it'll be on one of the 4 corners of the intersection,
 rather than in the middle of the road!).

 Sometimes you will see a compass direction to show which of the 4
 buildings the office is in.

 
  If it looks too good to true, it usually is.
 

 In spite of my comments above, I'd agree and give this a miss.

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[ubuntu-uk] Sound effects ....

2010-10-04 Thread Barry Drake
Just spent a long time searching through fora with no result.  I want to
play mp3's of stage sound effects and music tracks.  The problem is that
they have to be on cue.  Like: imagine a gunshot with a two second delay
(that happened last year when the sound man used audio CD's)!  At least
it was a laugh.  I had a Windows app that did the job reasonably well,
but I don't want to have to revert to Windows, and the app I mentioned
doesn't like Wine AFAIK.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Diagnostics tools

2010-10-04 Thread javadayaz
btw can i start using the pc as soon as i apply the thermal..do i need to
wait for it to dry ...? sorry ignorant fool/ noob here!

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Neil Greenwood neil.greenwood@gmail.com
 wrote:

 On 4 October 2010 13:55, javadayaz javada...@gmail.com wrote:
  would the thermal gel really be exhausted after a few years...wasnt long
 ago
  when i applied it, it seems.
  I hope this will solve the problem.
 

 It's unlikely to be 'exhausted'.

 The main problem is likely to be dust, etc. in the heatsink or the
 fan. Taking the heatsink off the chip (perhaps in order to clean it)
 can leave air bubbles in the thermal compound - air in this situation
 acts as a brilliant heat insulator, which is less than ideal...

 Removing and re-applying the thermal compound ensures that the
 conductivity between chip and heatsink is a good way to help exclude
 the air bubbles and any other contaminants that could interfere in the
 cooling.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] warning: Non ubuntu thread! Fwd: Transcript of 4 Oct 2010 7:25:17. Visitor: javad. Operator: Jessica Waynick.

2010-10-04 Thread Alan Pope
On 4 October 2010 15:53, javadayaz javada...@gmail.com wrote:

 and lastly:

Thankfully.

That's a triple-whammy of annoyance you got there with offtopic
rubbish, top posted and non-trimmed. Please think about mail before
you send it to this list.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Diagnostics tools

2010-10-04 Thread Shaun ONeil
On 4 Oct 2010, at 15:58, javadayaz javada...@gmail.com wrote:

 btw can i start using the pc as soon as i apply the thermal..do i need to 
 wait for it to dry ...? sorry ignorant fool/ noob here! 
 
Thermal paste shouldn't dry. It stays a paste. It really is just a lick-um  
stick-um job. No need to watch paint dry :)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Diagnostics tools

2010-10-04 Thread Tyler J. Wagner
On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 16:23 +0100, Shaun ONeil wrote:
 Thermal paste shouldn't dry. It stays a paste. It really is just a lick-um  
 stick-um job. No need to watch paint dry :)

Don't, of course, lick thermal paste. It contains some unpleasant heavy
metals that you should not ingest. :)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Diagnostics tools

2010-10-04 Thread pmgazz



On 04/10/10 13:55, javadayaz wrote:

would the thermal gel really be exhausted after a few years...wasnt long ago
when i applied it, it seems.
   

One of mine's making a noise like an idling black cab - I've reseated 
the heat sink and messed around with it - only way to get it to stop for 
a while is to slap the box strategically. Driving me nuts, it's less 
than a year old but spose I have to get a new one :(


You can sometimes fiddle with smart fan settings in the BIOS if the 
CPU's running too hot. Didn't work for me cos it's obviously plain 
knackered but might work for you :)


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Diagnostics tools

2010-10-04 Thread javadayaz
So the changing the usb settings did the trick. The keyboard is now
operational. The cpu thermal seems to have been a waste though..and in
vain...its still showing at the 53c...although I suppose its better than
before.


 On 04/10/10 13:55, javadayaz wrote:
 would the thermal gel really be exhausted after a few years...wasnt long
ago
 when i applied it, it seems.


 One of mine's making a noise like an idling black cab - I've reseated
 the heat sink and messed around with it - only way to get it to stop for
 a while is to slap the box strategically. Driving me nuts, it's less
 than a year old but spose I have to get a new one :(

 You can sometimes fiddle with smart fan settings in the BIOS if the
 CPU's running too hot. Didn't work for me cos it's obviously plain
 knackered but might work for you :)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Diagnostics tools

2010-10-04 Thread Rob Beard
On 04/10/10 16:23, Shaun ONeil wrote:
 On 4 Oct 2010, at 15:58, javadayazjavada...@gmail.com  wrote:

 btw can i start using the pc as soon as i apply the thermal..do i need to 
 wait for it to dry ...? sorry ignorant fool/ noob here!

 Thermal paste shouldn't dry. It stays a paste. It really is just a lick-um  
 stick-um job. No need to watch paint dry :)

 Shaun


It will harden over time (I gather that compound such as Arctic Silver) 
gradually sets when the PC is used and then when it is set it works 
better.  But yeah, just apply it and start the PC up.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Diagnostics tools

2010-10-04 Thread Rob Beard
On 04/10/10 18:36, javadayaz wrote:
 So the changing the usb settings did the trick. The keyboard is now
 operational. The cpu thermal seems to have been a waste though..and in
 vain...its still showing at the 53c...although I suppose its better than
 before.

Yep that's definitely an improvement although keep an eye on it as it 
might go up when it's under load.

If it still doesn't get any better you'd probably be better off getting 
a new heatsink and fan and some good compound.

Here's an article comparing the stock cooler and an after market cooler 
(okay it covers the Intel Core i7 but the general idea is the same):

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/heatsink-heatpipe-cpu,2375.html

...and doing a quick Google search came up with this:

http://www.frostytech.com

and this...

http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm

Should give you some suggestions of what to look out for if you do 
replace your heatsink and fan.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Diagnostics tools

2010-10-04 Thread javadayaz
Ok so everything seems fine but I can't seem to boot up..I'm getting a
screen with some options as follows;

Linux mint 8 helena, linux 2.6.31-22-generic
, linux(recovery mode)
Memory test (memtest86+)
Memory test (memtest 86+ serial console 115200)

Please not there's a few more in there similair to first entry..but I didn't
type it in coz I'm ttyping on a handheld...
Hope someone can help...
 On 03/10/10 12:12, javadayaz wrote:
 CPU fan is working fine...

 If it's 71°C then it looks like your fan isn't working fine!

 It could be clogged up with dust. Dust is not your friend, if the fan
 is dusty say between the metal fins then it works like a blanket, air
 can't get through and cool the fins down so it gets hotter and hotter.

 You might also need to apply a fresh coat of heatsink compound.

 What CPU do you have by the way?

 You may even want to look at replacing the cooler with something
 bigger/better. You don't have to go too expensive but you should be
 able to get a reasonable fan for around £10 to £15 online (or possibly
 nearer to £20 to £25 from PC World).

 Personally I have a nice big Zalman fan...

 http://www.ebuyer.com/product/120876

 It wasn't cheap (traditionally I've not spent any more than about 6 or 7
 quid on a fan) but it cooled down my hot Phenom X4 and it's now in the
 wife's PC cooling down her overclocked Pentium Dual Core. It's silent
 too (although it has sharp fins).

 I've also used something like this before too which was pretty good:

 http://www.ebuyer.com/product/176157

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Diagnostics tools

2010-10-04 Thread Neil Greenwood
On 4 October 2010 19:34, javadayaz javada...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ok so everything seems fine but I can't seem to boot up..I'm getting a
 screen with some options as follows;

 Linux mint 8 helena, linux 2.6.31-22-generic
         , linux    (recovery mode)
 Memory test (memtest86+)
 Memory test (memtest 86+ serial console 115200)

 Please not there's a few more in there similair to first entry..but I didn't
 type it in coz I'm ttyping on a handheld...
 Hope someone can help...


Sounds like the boot menu.
Using the arrow keys will change the selected option. Pressing Enter
will boot the selected one.

Sounds like either the timeout options or the hiding options have been
changed. After you've booted, reply and we'll ask some more questions
so that we can work out how to stop the menu appearing again (if
that's what you want).


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Diagnostics tools

2010-10-04 Thread John Matthews
On 04/10/10 18:36, javadayaz wrote:
 So the changing the usb settings did the trick. The keyboard is now 
 operational. The cpu thermal seems to have been a waste though..and in 
 vain...its still showing at the 53c...although I suppose its better 
 than before.

Ok, so how did you change the usb settings, I wonder if that is what is 
happening with my numbers thing. Can you give me some directions?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Diagnostics tools

2010-10-04 Thread Barry Titterton
On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 16:32 +0100, pmgazz wrote:

 One of mine's making a noise like an idling black cab

This is definitely the fan motor bearings. I had one go just like that
last year. The motor gets stuck in a resonance mode before it gets up to
full speed, hence the noise and poor cooling performance. A well judged
shock can help the motor to drive through the resonance zone and get to
full speed but things will only get worse over time.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Diagnostics tools

2010-10-04 Thread javadayaz
Ok booted upwhat next please?
 On 4 October 2010 19:34, javadayaz javada...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ok so everything seems fine but I can't seem to boot up..I'm getting a
 screen with some options as follows;

 Linux mint 8 helena, linux 2.6.31-22-generic
 , linux(recovery mode)
 Memory test (memtest86+)
 Memory test (memtest 86+ serial console 115200)

 Please not there's a few more in there similair to first entry..but I
didn't
 type it in coz I'm ttyping on a handheld...
 Hope someone can help...


 Sounds like the boot menu.
 Using the arrow keys will change the selected option. Pressing Enter
 will boot the selected one.

 Sounds like either the timeout options or the hiding options have been
 changed. After you've booted, reply and we'll ask some more questions
 so that we can work out how to stop the menu appearing again (if
 that's what you want).


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[ubuntu-uk] Symlinking to USB hard drives

2010-10-04 Thread Neil Greenwood
Hi all,

I have a couple of matched USB hard drives that I use as part of my
backup strategy. At the moment they both have the same label, so they
end up mounted at /media/backup. But this means I can't easily tell
which drive is which, and when I plug the second in, it gets mounted
at /media/backup_.

I'd like to re-label the drives to backup1 and backup2, but then have
a symlink automatically created at /media/backup to whichever drive
was first plugged in. I think I need to use a udev rule, but other
than that I'm not sure.

Does anyone have any ideas?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Diagnostics tools

2010-10-04 Thread Alan Pope
On 4 October 2010 19:34, javadayaz javada...@gmail.com wrote:
 Linux mint 8 helena, linux 2.6.31-22-generic

You do realise you're not running Ubuntu there? Linux Mint, whilst
based on Ubuntu, isn't Ubuntu.

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[ubuntu-uk] Musick Manager

2010-10-04 Thread Jacob Mansfield
could anybody recommend a good music player/manager, I've just spent 4 hours
clearing up after banshee, amorak and rhythmbox and I'm not happy. it has to
be able to consolidate my music library using move, NOT COPY. use 'smart
play-lists' get album art. manage the content on my mp3 player based on what
I haven't herd recently. oh and did I mention I have 105GB of MP3s which I
also want to convert into ogg vorbis. any ideas about this?
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Musick Manager

2010-10-04 Thread Grant Sewell
On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:03:43 +0100
Jacob Mansfield wrote:

 could anybody recommend a good music player/manager, I've just spent
 4 hours clearing up after banshee, amorak and rhythmbox and I'm not
 happy. it has to be able to consolidate my music library using move,
 NOT COPY. use 'smart play-lists' get album art. manage the content on
 my mp3 player based on what I haven't herd recently. oh and did I
 mention I have 105GB of MP3s which I also want to convert into ogg
 vorbis. any ideas about this?

Regarding the converting of MP3s to OGG Vorbis audio files... don't.  I
know keeping MP3s around kinda goes against the ethos and spirit of
FLOSS, but if you care about audio quality then you'll re-rip the audio
and store as either FLAC or OGG-Vorbis.  Converting from one lossy
format to another lossy format is just a recipe for poor audio quality
files as an end result.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Musick Manager

2010-10-04 Thread Jacob Mansfield
can't re-rip them, I never had the CDs in the first place. my boss sent me
most of this stuff

On 4 October 2010 21:12, Grant Sewell dcg...@thymox.co.uk wrote:

 On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:03:43 +0100
 Jacob Mansfield wrote:

  could anybody recommend a good music player/manager, I've just spent
  4 hours clearing up after banshee, amorak and rhythmbox and I'm not
  happy. it has to be able to consolidate my music library using move,
  NOT COPY. use 'smart play-lists' get album art. manage the content on
  my mp3 player based on what I haven't herd recently. oh and did I
  mention I have 105GB of MP3s which I also want to convert into ogg
  vorbis. any ideas about this?

 Regarding the converting of MP3s to OGG Vorbis audio files... don't.  I
 know keeping MP3s around kinda goes against the ethos and spirit of
 FLOSS, but if you care about audio quality then you'll re-rip the audio
 and store as either FLAC or OGG-Vorbis.  Converting from one lossy
 format to another lossy format is just a recipe for poor audio quality
 files as an end result.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Musick Manager

2010-10-04 Thread Anton Piatek
It might help if you said why the others failed you. I love amazon, and it
should do most of your list (though I prefer to manage my library as files
than let a tool do it for me)
Anton
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significant number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
On 4 Oct 2010 21:04, Jacob Mansfield cyberja...@gmail.com wrote:
 could anybody recommend a good music player/manager, I've just spent 4
hours
 clearing up after banshee, amorak and rhythmbox and I'm not happy. it has
to
 be able to consolidate my music library using move, NOT COPY. use 'smart
 play-lists' get album art. manage the content on my mp3 player based on
what
 I haven't herd recently. oh and did I mention I have 105GB of MP3s which I
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Musick Manager

2010-10-04 Thread Jacob Mansfield
can't find that in synaptic. AmorK can only import individual files, banshee
duplicated everything and crashes every ten seconds and rhythmbox lacks the
MP3 player features as well as crashing every few seconds

On 4 October 2010 21:21, Anton Piatek an...@piatek.co.uk wrote:


 It might help if you said why the others failed you. I love amazon, and it
 should do most of your list (though I prefer to manage my library as files
 than let a tool do it for me)
 Anton
 -
 Anton Piatek
 email: an...@piatek.co.uk
 blog/photos: http:// www.strangeparty.com
 pgp: [74B1FA37] (http:// www.strangeparty.com/anton.asc)

 No trees were destroyed in the sending of this message, however, a
 significant number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
 On 4 Oct 2010 21:04, Jacob Mansfield cyberja...@gmail.com wrote:
  could anybody recommend a good music player/manager, I've just spent 4
 hours
  clearing up after banshee, amorak and rhythmbox and I'm not happy. it has
 to
  be able to consolidate my music library using move, NOT COPY. use 'smart
  play-lists' get album art. manage the content on my mp3 player based on
 what
  I haven't herd recently. oh and did I mention I have 105GB of MP3s which
 I
  also want to convert into ogg vorbis. any ideas about this?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Diagnostics tools

2010-10-04 Thread javadayaz
Yes I know but I'm sure there are similarities then there are differnces...
:)
 On 4 October 2010 19:34, javadayaz javada...@gmail.com wrote:
 Linux mint 8 helena, linux 2.6.31-22-generic

 You do realise you're not running Ubuntu there? Linux Mint, whilst
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Diagnostics tools

2010-10-04 Thread javadayaz
I'm using 1,97 of grub...I only know this coz its displayed on the screen
I'm stuck on...
Can't get passed this screen to get to synaptic or terminal...
On 4 Oct 2010 21:03, Neil Greenwood neil.greenwood@gmail.com wrote:

 On 4 October 2010 20:16, javadayaz javada...@gmail.com wrote:
  Ok booted upwhat next please?
 ...
 Sorry for the delay, I had to do some research on Grub1. :-)

 What version of grub are you running? That's the program that is
 displaying the boot menu.
 You can look in Synaptic and search for 'grub', or type 'dpkg --list
 grub' in a terminal - if this is installed the last line shown will
 start 'ii'.

 If the 'grub' package is installed, that's Grub1. Otherwise you're
 using Grub2 (which probably has a version number of 1.97 or 1.98).

 For Grub1, you need to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst (that's LST in lower
 case), and 'uncomment' the 'hiddenmenu' option. IIRC, it will
 currently have 2 # marks at the front of the line, change it to just
 1.

 For Grub2 you need to edit /etc/default/grub, and you need to look for
 the GRUB_TIMEOUT and GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT values. GRUB_TIMEOUT should
 be set to 0 (zero). GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT should be set to a value
 between zero and about 2.

 Whichever file you are editing, you will need to have root permission
 to edit it (try Alt-F2, then type 'gksu gedit filename' without the
 quotes and replacing the filename for the relevant version of Grub).


 If you get stuck, let us know.

 Cofion,

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Last call (was Natty and RT Kernel)

2010-10-04 Thread Alessio Igor Bogani
Hi,

If you would want help in kernel stuff for Ubuntu Studio please reply
to these questions:

Which are kernels on you are interested in? The -rt, -lowlatency or -realtime?
Which kernels you use on per day basis (so you can provide at least
test and feedback)?
How do you would want help (test, packaging, upstream relation, Ubuntu
relation, Studio relation and so on)?
Which Ubuntu releases do you would want see well supported for
that/those kernels? Every releases or only LTS?

Please reply only if you want help.

Thanks

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Re: Last call (was Natty and RT Kernel)

2010-10-04 Thread Mike Holstein
Alessio,

i would like to help in any way i can... testing is something i can handle
with my current skill level... anything else i can learn to do, i am
willing.. i use your -realtime kernel in lucid right now, but i'll help
where ever i can...

thanks...

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 Hi,

 If you would want help in kernel stuff for Ubuntu Studio please reply
 to these questions:

 Which are kernels on you are interested in? The -rt, -lowlatency or
 -realtime?
 Which kernels you use on per day basis (so you can provide at least
 test and feedback)?
 How do you would want help (test, packaging, upstream relation, Ubuntu
 relation, Studio relation and so on)?
 Which Ubuntu releases do you would want see well supported for
 that/those kernels? Every releases or only LTS?

 Please reply only if you want help.

 Thanks

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Re: Last call (was Natty and RT Kernel)

2010-10-04 Thread ailo

 I suppose I would be most interested in the -rt kernel.
I can help with testing, but I am willing to learn more.
At least one new release each year, I think. LTS seems too far apart.

It would be great if people from different audio distros could 
collaborate on this particular problem, but maybe the 1/2 year dev cycle 
is not good for everyone?
I know that the guys at puredyne were building their own rt-kernel, but 
decided to use the one from Ubuntu's repo for their 9.10 release.
Perhaps if the development cycle was once a year instead of twice a 
year, it would be easier to get more people involved?

Just an idea.



On 10/04/2010 06:13 PM, Mike Holstein wrote:

Alessio,

i would like to help in any way i can... testing is something i can 
handle with my current skill level... anything else i can learn to do, 
i am willing.. i use your -realtime kernel in lucid right now, but 
i'll help where ever i can...


thanks...

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abog...@ubuntu.com mailto:abog...@ubuntu.com wrote:


Hi,

If you would want help in kernel stuff for Ubuntu Studio please reply
to these questions:

Which are kernels on you are interested in? The -rt, -lowlatency
or -realtime?
Which kernels you use on per day basis (so you can provide at least
test and feedback)?
How do you would want help (test, packaging, upstream relation, Ubuntu
relation, Studio relation and so on)?
Which Ubuntu releases do you would want see well supported for
that/those kernels? Every releases or only LTS?

Please reply only if you want help.

Thanks

Ciao,
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Re: Last call (was Natty and RT Kernel)

2010-10-04 Thread Brian David
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Alessio Igor Bogani abog...@ubuntu.comwrote:

 2010/10/4 Alessio Igor Bogani abog...@ubuntu.com:
  Do you know of some sort of bugs on that kernel? Are you using some
  closed video drivers (nvidia, fglrx, virtualbox, lirc, drbd, asterisk,
  bcmwl, r5u87xa and so on)? Do you plan to migrate to Maverick soon or
  remain stick on Lucid? Which arch are you using (i386 known as 32
  bit or amd64 known as

 64 bit systems.

 Damn Italian keyboard!

 Ciao,
 Alessio ~ passed to topo chico


I would also ask that Alessio or anyone else who knows send links for how to
learn this stuff.  I'll spend some time today researching, but it would make
things a little easier if people who know could just point us in the right
direction.

Since you asked about bugs in the -realtime kernel, I would like to say that
my desktop's ATI card has never worked with the -realtime kernel.  It's a
somewhat older card (Radeon 5000 series) that is not supported by the open
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Re: Last call (was Natty and RT Kernel)

2010-10-04 Thread Alessio Igor Bogani
Ailo,

2010/10/4 ailo ailo...@gmail.com:
[...]
 It would be great if people from different audio distros could collaborate
 on this particular problem, but maybe the 1/2 year dev cycle is not good for
 everyone?

As you know well there are a lot of distributions use Ubuntu Studio as
their base but I never see any type of help (bug reporting or fix,
suggestion on configuration and so on) came from they. So this
proposal don't be sure turned to me.

From that list I must exclude KXStudio.

 Perhaps if the development cycle was once a year instead of twice a year, it
 would be easier to get more people involved?

Upstream isn't interested in it at all.

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Re: Last call (was Natty and RT Kernel)

2010-10-04 Thread Alessio Igor Bogani
Brian,

2010/10/4 Brian David beej...@gmail.com:
[...]
 I would also ask that Alessio or anyone else who knows send links for how to
 learn this stuff.  I'll spend some time today researching, but it would make
 things a little easier if people who know could just point us in the right
 direction.

It is really hard pinpoint on something useful if you don't explain me
what do you would want learn.
Kernel programming? Test on latency and jitter corner case? Tips 
Tricks? What is the final objective do you want achieve?
Without that specification I couldn't suggest something.

 Since you asked about bugs in the -realtime kernel, I would like to say that
 my desktop's ATI card has never worked with the -realtime kernel.  It's a
 somewhat older card (Radeon 5000 series) that is not supported by the open
 drivers, and so I need to use fglrx.

I'll take care only of the bugs reported by active people(*) . Do you
want one of these? :)

Ciao,
Alessio

(*)
Sorry but it seems to me the only way to guarantee future on this
project (aka realtime kernel on Studio).

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Re: Last call (was Natty and RT Kernel)

2010-10-04 Thread Brian David
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Alessio Igor Bogani abog...@ubuntu.comwrote:


 It is really hard pinpoint on something useful if you don't explain me
 what do you would want learn.
 Kernel programming? Test on latency and jitter corner case? Tips 
 Tricks? What is the final objective do you want achieve?
 Without that specification I couldn't suggest something.


I would like to have reference for all of these things.  I want to know
about the whole process that you need to do to get an -rt kernel prepared.
That is the goal:  to make a good -rt kernel.  That may sound broad, and
that's because I don't even know were to start.  I have know idea what
particular issues I'd be interested in, and which ones I can best help on,
because I don't know anything about the process.



  Since you asked about bugs in the -realtime kernel, I would like to say
 that
  my desktop's ATI card has never worked with the -realtime kernel.  It's a
  somewhat older card (Radeon 5000 series) that is not supported by the
 open
  drivers, and so I need to use fglrx.

 I'll take care only of the bugs reported by active people(*) . Do you
 want one of these? :)


To clarify, are you asking if I want to report a bug? Or be an active
member?  I would like to be both.  If you are asking if I want to report a
bug, do you mean via Launchpad?

See, this what I mean.  I'm starting from an extreme point of ignorance
here.  Don't assume any prior knowledge.  This is often a problem on lists
like this.  People  will come in with earnest desires to help, and when they
ask how they can start, they can get obtuse answers like 'start reporting
bugs'.  Reporting bugs where?  And how?  What's the most effective way to
report bugs?  Have you ever seen the posts on a Launchpad bug?  They're
confusing!  What are those people doing? (yes, I am being a little goofy
here)

This is not meant to offend anyone, I just think that a lot of the more
experienced users on the list, especially the ones who are asking for more
support, don't genuinely know how they come across to beginners.  I've been
on this list for a while, and I have seen several people stop participating
because they get what seems like rude behavior from people who are asking
for their help (I do not mean that you are being rude, Alessio, because you
are not.  It's an overall observation.)  Sometimes the rudeness is not
intentional, it's just people giving an answer that they feel is adequate,
when it is not.

This a tough environment for beginners, and that's a problem when we are
trying to recruit people. The best thing we can do to get more people on
board is to figure out how to get them the information they need -- and be
VERY detailed and nice about it.

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Re: Putting the cart before the horse. (was: Final Notes on the Ubuntu Studio Website)

2010-10-04 Thread Brian David
On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Scott Lavender scottalaven...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Benjamin Turner 
 passionsplaydes...@gmail.com wrote:

 I hope to address some of the questions in this email later this week.

 Properly identifying the audience and the purpose of the website is
 critical in order to make the website useful.  I have given it quite a bit
 of thought but haven't really devoted time to fleshing it out and writing it
 down.

 However, in that fashion I have been working on this mock-up for the past
 two weeks while exploring audience and purpose:
 http://www.fossmusicproject.org/public/images/website-mockup-3.png

 I trust that most people will find this mock-up far superior to my last one
 ;)

 Comments are encouraged and welcomed (even ones that say it sucks).

 ScottL


I'm liking the general direction this is headed.  I would say that it looks
a little busy.  Also, I think using Linux for Creative Humans is better
than Set Your Creativity Free.  I also don't care for the Experience. .
. added to the Ubuntu Logo.  Those are the initial thoughts that come to
mind.

Also, were you thinking there would be a gateway page, or would this be the
page people see immediately upon going to ubuntustudio.com?

Would you be able to send a link for the .svg?  I'd like to try combining
some of your ideas with the things I've been working on, and see what that
might look like.

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Re: Last call (was Natty and RT Kernel)

2010-10-04 Thread Erik Rasmussen

 Alessio,

 *Which are kernels on you are interested in?  *-*rt *
 *Which kernels you use on per day basis (so you can provide at least test
 and feedback)?  -rt*
 I use the *-rt kernel on a daily basis* for both multimedia work and
 non-multimedia work, on my laptop, and it is very reliable for me and I
 never get xruns in Ardour with it.

 I (and probably many others on this list) do not have a good grasp of who
 is doing what in regards to Ubuntu Studio, but I'd like to understand more.

 I'd like to learn more about what is involved with getting an -rt kernel
 available for Ubuntu Studio and I'd be willing to help.

 *How do you want to help (test, packaging, upstream relation, Ubuntu
 relation, Studio relation and so on)?  Test*
 Not sure what the *relation items mean, but if pointed to some educational
 materials, perhaps I can help with other things as well.

 *Which Ubuntu releases do you would want see well supported for that/those
 kernels? Every releases or only LTS?  Preferably every release.*

 Alessio, what you wrote at
 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/RealTimeKernel
 is very helpful information.  Do you have any advice on where I can learn
 more so that I can more effectively help?
 *
 *-Erik


 On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 09:27, Alessio Igor Bogani abog...@ubuntu.comwrote:

 Hi,

 If you would want help in kernel stuff for Ubuntu Studio please reply
 to these questions:

 Which are kernels on you are interested in? The -rt, -lowlatency or
 -realtime?
 Which kernels you use on per day basis (so you can provide at least
 test and feedback)?
 How do you would want help (test, packaging, upstream relation, Ubuntu
 relation, Studio relation and so on)?
 Which Ubuntu releases do you would want see well supported for
 that/those kernels? Every releases or only LTS?

 Please reply only if you want help.

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Re: Sporadic UI halts on Meerkat Netbook - how to debug

2010-10-04 Thread Milan Bouchet-Valat
Le lundi 04 octobre 2010 à 21:42 +0300, Mikko Ohtamaa a écrit :
 Hi,
 
 
 
 I am trying Maverick Meerkat Netbook remix on Asus 1005HA Eee Pc. I
 like it. Finally the Linux desktop is going to right direction.
 
 
 However, I am having some slowdown issues. Once in a while (...or
 many times during an hour) everything besides the mouse cursor in the
 user interface halts. The text cursor stops blinking (no matter what
 application). I suspect this might have something to do with disk IO
 as the netbook has very slow disk and I have encrypted home folder.
 Each halts last 5-10 seconds and since they happen often they hit hard
 the overall user experience. Basic tasks like editing the text on the
 computer become pain.
These are the typical symptoms of an I/O bug nobody has been able to
identify and which has generated many comments. See
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/131094
but don't expect to find help there, as we don't even know whether there
are several bugs mixed or a single root cause... :-(

 I have some background tasks running (Skype, Quassel), but it should
 be nothing killing the performance. Windows XP can handle things just
 fine.
The only thing that is likely to create a high I/O load regularly is
swapping. I'd suggest you avoid running too many programs at the same
time. You can use the command 'free -m' to see how many free RAM you
have.

 Now, my question is, how to debug these halt or stop issues. I
 suspect if I could get history graph of CPU and IO per application
 level it would help greatly. Also, the problem might be in kernel
 services (disk io, OpenGL, sound?) . 
If your problem is actually the swapping + I/O bug issue, I don't think
you can do much to help, except if you have enough skills to convince
kernel developers that they can do something about it. If you're ready
to answer a long series of technical questions, then you can send a mail
to the kernel development list (lkml.org).

But before that, it would be useful to check that system logs don't show
something interesting each time you suffer from the bug (use
System-Administration-Log viewer and have a look at these files). Also
running the command 'top' and checking what applications are using RAM
may simply reveal that one of them is leaking memory (type '' to sort
processes by order of physical RAM usage).


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ubuntu 10.10 launch party melbourne

2010-10-04 Thread peter baker
hey guys

I don't think anyone has organised a 10.10 launch party in melbourne yet so
here is my suggestion.  feel free to come and join me

sun 10.10.10 6:30pm

jawa bar, 297 Victoria Street West Melbourne.  its a quick tram ride from
the city, not far from the queen vic markets.  the bar will allow us to
order take-away from around the area and eat it in the bar so we will
probably be sharing pizza for dinner.

we will be sitting out the back.  if you have any problems finding us gimme
me a call on 0411 437137

can someone has has admin access to ubuntu.org.au please post this there?

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Re: Deadline for translations on live-cd

2010-10-04 Thread David Planella
El dj 30 de 09 de 2010 a les 11:05 +0200, en/na Bruno Patri va escriure:
 Le mercredi 29 septembre 2010 21:38:49, Dylan McCall a écrit :
 
  If you see anything else, let me know! I should probably add a note
 
  mentioning it needs Javascript. (Although that kind of message feels
 
  very 90s…)
 
 Hi Dylan,
 
 I noticed a strange CSS rule in the slideshow (in the online demo) :
 
 font-family:'UbuntuBeta', sans-serif;
 
 I've installed the ttf-ubuntu-font-family package but it doesn't works
 because the font name is just 'Ubuntu'.
 
 Maybe this has been already fixed.
 

Yes, this has already been fixed. It is now

  font-family:'Ubuntu', 'UbuntuBeta', sans-serif;

UbuntuBeta was the name of the font family while the font was available
in the beta testers PPA. Now that the Ubuntu font is available in the
repositories, the name is 'Ubuntu'.

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Re: [UIFe] message timestamps are too verbose in empathy chat

2010-10-04 Thread David Planella
El dv 01 de 10 de 2010 a les 14:59 +0500, en/na Omer Akram va escriure:
 Hi all. 
 In Maverick adium theme accepted a few patches during that a patch
 went in which introduced a problem i.e. every chat message in empathy
 now shows fulldate, time and even seconds. a user dont want to know
 that detailed information during a chat and also as ubuntu is using
 sans as document font and not the ubuntu font. empathy use document
 for chats so that makes thing really look weired. I have screenshots.
 this is the bug
 report. 
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adium-theme-ubuntu/+bug/619932

Thanks Omer for the notification.

By looking at the patch, it seems that translations are not modified, so
from the translations side: +1

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Re: Ubuntu 11.04 Translations Plans

2010-10-04 Thread David Planella
Hi all,

Some days ago I was asking you for feedback on the translations roadmap
for the 11.04 cycle [1], and at this point I must send you a big thanks:
you've all provided great ideas and comments, which I'll try to address
by responding to them directly in this thread.

I'm working on the plan right now, and on the next few days I'll be
drafting the blueprints for what will become the sessions at UDS were
we'll discuss the roadmap's objectives.

We will obviously won't be able to work on every one of the ideas you've
provided, so I'll be picking up the ones I believe to be most important
for the translations community. If I did not pick up one of your
suggestions, don't be discouraged: if you want to, feel free to still
lead the effort of implementing it. Even if it's not on the roadmap,
I'll help you in what I can.

Let's start by Milo's ideas: 

El dv 17 de 09 de 2010 a les 12:06 +0200, en/na Milo Casagrande va
escriure:
 Hi David,
 
 On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 19:17, David Planella david.plane...@ubuntu.com 
 wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  In the Community team at Canonical we are now starting to lay out the
  plans for the 11.04 roadmap for translations.
 
  For this, we really value your input and would very much like to take
  your ideas and feedback into account.
 
  One of the key areas I'd like to work on in this cycle, for instance, is
  outreach: we want to bang the drum and get people excited and involved
  in translations.
 
  What are your thoughts and ideas? What do you think we should focus on?
 
 Maybe, as a short-term goal, I was thinking about reaching out
 translator teams, and ask them if they have story to share about how,
 a translated version of Ubuntu, has helped people/companies/schools in
 a particular way, something that a non-translated version couldn't
 have achieved, and share their story on the Fridge, pointing out how
 important is the translators work.

I really like this idea, I think it would be good to start a coordinated
effort to publish stories for each translation team. I'm planning to
have a UDS session on this.

  We should probably try to have more
 translators on the hall-of-fame,

We haven't updated the Hall Of Fame for a while, so the status of the
HoF is right now on hold, unless someone finds the time to step up and
help maintaining it. That's the reason why we haven't been adding any
rockstar contributors (be it in translation or in any area).

  and start publishing more translators
 interview.
 

We should be publishing the interviews monthly, but there seems to have
been some delay in the last one. It's been hectic lately with the
preparation of several OpenWeek, AppDeveloperWeek and such events, but
I'll try to see if we can unblock it and start publishing the next batch
of interviews.

 What follows is probably a very very long term thing, maybe not
 implementable too... but anyway.
 
 I would really like to see a community-driven web portal where
 translator groups (but not only them) can get together, a sort-of
 Language Portal like Microsoft has, but better and open-source:
 http://www.microsoft.com/Language/en-US/Default.aspx
 
 Maybe somebody will turn up their nose because it's Microsoft, but I
 think that portal is very well done, and a precious resource for
 translators. I've been using that portal for a while to look into how
 certain words are translated into my language from a very big software
 company like Microsoft. I've done this also to try to keep some kind
 of cross-operating-system coherence when translating technical terms
 (so maybe users will not feel lost).
 
 Think about this portal as a glossary on steroids, but not only a mere
 glossary portal: a new professional look for Ubuntu and FLOSS
 translators, and the work they do.
 
 A forum where translators can share opinions, and talk about their
 language, where developers can get information on how to i18n-ize
 their application, what are the tools the FLOSS world has for i18n;
 and where developers can find very good and motivated translators to
 help their apps reach the most number of people.
 
 What do you think?
 

That's something I've been thinking for a while. I too had seen the
Microsoft languages portal a while ago (it looked a bit different than
now, there were also case stories and such), so I'm glad someone else
brings up the subject as well.

Despite all attempts to structure the contents on the Translations
namespace and to simplify the main page so that people can easily find
the info they need (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/), the wiki has
grown too big for being able to store all the content related to
translations and present it to new users in a way that is both easy to
use and attractive.

I've been discussing this with Jono, and also looking at the awesome
work my team mate Ahmed has been doing on a Cloud Portal, and I think it
is the time for a Translations Portal.

The idea of the portal is to have a site on
http://translations.ubuntu.com that can serve to 

Re: Ubuntu 11.04 Translations Plans

2010-10-04 Thread David Planella
El dl 27 de 09 de 2010 a les 15:00 -0400, en/na Scott Kitterman va
escriure:
 On Thursday, September 16, 2010 01:17:49 pm David Planella wrote:
  Hi all,
  
  In the Community team at Canonical we are now starting to lay out the
  plans for the 11.04 roadmap for translations.
  
  For this, we really value your input and would very much like to take
  your ideas and feedback into account.
  
  One of the key areas I'd like to work on in this cycle, for instance, is
  outreach: we want to bang the drum and get people excited and involved
  in translations.
  
  What are your thoughts and ideas? What do you think we should focus on?
  
 There are some projects where we would really rather existing translations 
 not 
 be changed in Launchpad.  It would be quite useful to be able to mark 
 templates from certain packages as unmodifiable and limit Ubuntu translation 
 work to supplying translations for untranslated strings.
 
 Scott K
 

Thanks Scott for the good feeback as usual. Yours is a valid request,
but I'd prefer discussing it in another thread. Implementing this would
mean adding a feature to Launchpad, but as mentioned on the follow-up
e-mail to my original a few days ago, this thread is for discussion of
plans related to the Ubuntu translations community.

For any technical discussion or requests, I'd suggest opening a separate
thread on the ubuntu-translators list or rather in launchpad-dev. Your
request has been echoed before, and it is not something trivial to
implement: while some translation teams might want to work upstream
exclusively, others might want to work on Launchpad only and then send
translations upstream. I've seen both workflows, and right now this is
something better controlled by the translation teams themselves than on
a Launchpad-wide setting. Since we requested all translation teams to be
moderated and the global policy on translations for Ubuntu to be
Restricted, this has been working quite well.

We've got scarce development resources for working on Launchpad
Translations, and defining the priorities to work requires always a
balance between new features and work that provides an immediate benefit
to translators and upstreams. Right now the Launchpad Translations
developers are working in providing a better upstream integration
experience, which I believe to be a higher priority at this time.

Therefore, they won't likely have the time to work on any new feature
such as template locking in the near future. In any case, that should
not discourage anyone in contributing to this, and the Launchpad
Translations development team will be happy to mentor anyone willing to
step up and work on such a feature (or any other).

Regards,
David.

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Re: Ubuntu 11.04 Translations Plans

2010-10-04 Thread David Planella
El dv 17 de 09 de 2010 a les 11:33 +0200, en/na Andrej Žnidaršič va
escriure:
 Hello !
 
 
 For attracting new translators i believe most of the effort must be
 done by each local translation team.
 From my experience one needs to show to the other people that it's fun
 and rewarding thing to do.
 Also a team should get a chatroom where people interested in
 translations or translators can share info, discuss, coordinate, etc.
 In our case we used jabber chat room
 from http://partychapp.appspot.com/ as many new contributors were not
 comfortable/had difficulities with irc but almost all had
 google /jabber accounts.
   

That's a good tip. Different teams use different workflows, so this
might work better on some teams that others. I'll take a note to add it
to the best practices and advice for new teams.

 About string reorganization: I don't think singificantly more people
 will translate if they see easy strings first. They might translate
 first few, but they are going to stop at difficult ones. In my opinion
 easy strings like Add are of medium importance as most people
 already know what they mean or can easily look it up (i guess it
 depends on the country one comes from). What is the most important are
 long, difficult strings as one cannot look them up in a dictionary /
 online.
 

I'm not planning to focus on any string reorganization effort. If this
were to happen, I believe it should be done by prioritizing the most
visible strings first. If anyone would want to work on this, a
suggestion would be (roughly) a coordinated effort to:

  * Collect the data of the most visible strings in the desktop
  * Work with gettext upstream to implement a per-string
prioritization
  * Implement per-string priorities in Launchpad

While useful, this seems to me like a significant amount of work. In
addition to that, there should be an easy way to update the priorities
at least on a per-release basis.

I think what we have now, in terms of per-template priorities (i.e. most
important templates are shown first on the list) is a good compromise
with the functionality we've got. Of course it would even be better to
organize the templates per package sets (e.g. GNOME, KDE, etc.), but as
mentioned on the previous e-mail, the Launchpad Translations developers
focus right now is not on new features, but rather upstream integration.

And I won't get tired of repeating it :) Launchpad is Free Software, so
if any one at one point would and enjoy the experience of working in
such a big and fast-paced project and contribute to it by scratching
their own itch and implementing new features that can be useful to all
translators, the Launchpad devs will be more than happy to mentor them.

Here are some pointers to get started:

  https://dev.launchpad.net/

 
 I agree the most important think translations should focus is easy
 upstream coordination. both ways. For example, a translation was
 imported from compiz into launchpad, by a person who i cannot contact.
 There were some bugs in translations. We fixed them and wanted to send
 the .po file upstream. Unfortunately slovenian team does not exist for
 compiz and they only have pootble for translation (cannot import .po).
 After half an hour hunting for people on irc i was redirected to
 ubuntu package maintainters, but i don't think they can contribute
 directly to upstream (will ask them, need to check).

We've discussed this on IRC already, but I'll include the answer for the
benefit of other translators. No, maintainers cannot generally
contribute to upstream translations. Apart from the fact that they could
not handle requests from all translation teams, they might not even have
commit rights to the upstream projects or not be versed in how
translations work. And most importantly, in general the work of
translation teams should not be bypassed. They are ultimately
responsible for QA'ing translations, and a maintainer that does not
speak a particular language might not be the best person to submit a
translation, unless he's intimately familiar and already involved with
the translation workflow of the particular project.

  There are lots of small projects (in terms of translations) like
 compiz.
 Of course it would be best if the translations were automatically
 signed. But even if some simplificaion of the process would be really
 great.
 I think it would be really great if;
 a) there would be a list of all packages with links with upstream 
 and even better if we could assign some people who have good contact
 with smaller upstream projects (meaning excluding Gnome, kde, debian
 and translaton project, possibly package maintainers), so that we
 could send them the .po files and they would know who they should send
 it to and how should they commit it. This would save people a massive
 amount of time as we don't need to hunt down the people thorugh which
 we can commit the packages. Also the people responsible wouldn't have
 too much work, as i 

Is Rhythmbox translated in your language? If yes, please test indicator-sound

2010-10-04 Thread Jiri Grönroos
See https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-sound/+bug/654140

This most likely happens only when Rhythmbox (the name itself) is
translated. Please report by replying or in Launchpad.

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Re: Ubuntu 11.04 Translations Plans

2010-10-04 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, October 04, 2010 02:44:39 pm David Planella wrote:
 El dl 27 de 09 de 2010 a les 15:00 -0400, en/na Scott Kitterman va
 
 escriure:
  On Thursday, September 16, 2010 01:17:49 pm David Planella wrote:
   Hi all,
   
   In the Community team at Canonical we are now starting to lay out the
   plans for the 11.04 roadmap for translations.
   
   For this, we really value your input and would very much like to take
   your ideas and feedback into account.
   
   One of the key areas I'd like to work on in this cycle, for instance,
   is outreach: we want to bang the drum and get people excited and
   involved in translations.
   
   What are your thoughts and ideas? What do you think we should focus on?
  
  There are some projects where we would really rather existing
  translations not be changed in Launchpad.  It would be quite useful to
  be able to mark templates from certain packages as unmodifiable and
  limit Ubuntu translation work to supplying translations for untranslated
  strings.
  
  Scott K
 
 Thanks Scott for the good feeback as usual. Yours is a valid request,
 but I'd prefer discussing it in another thread. Implementing this would
 mean adding a feature to Launchpad, but as mentioned on the follow-up
 e-mail to my original a few days ago, this thread is for discussion of
 plans related to the Ubuntu translations community.
 
 For any technical discussion or requests, I'd suggest opening a separate
 thread on the ubuntu-translators list or rather in launchpad-dev. Your
 request has been echoed before, and it is not something trivial to
 implement: while some translation teams might want to work upstream
 exclusively, others might want to work on Launchpad only and then send
 translations upstream. I've seen both workflows, and right now this is
 something better controlled by the translation teams themselves than on
 a Launchpad-wide setting. Since we requested all translation teams to be
 moderated and the global policy on translations for Ubuntu to be
 Restricted, this has been working quite well.
 
 We've got scarce development resources for working on Launchpad
 Translations, and defining the priorities to work requires always a
 balance between new features and work that provides an immediate benefit
 to translators and upstreams. Right now the Launchpad Translations
 developers are working in providing a better upstream integration
 experience, which I believe to be a higher priority at this time.
 
 Therefore, they won't likely have the time to work on any new feature
 such as template locking in the near future. In any case, that should
 not discourage anyone in contributing to this, and the Launchpad
 Translations development team will be happy to mentor anyone willing to
 step up and work on such a feature (or any other).

I'm not subscribed to any of those lists, so (since I know this request isn't 
news to you), please keep it in mind.

The lack of this feature makes use of LP translations quite problematic from 
my point of view for KDE (I know this is also not news).

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Re: Ubuntu 11.04 Translations Plans

2010-10-04 Thread David Planella
El dg 03 de 10 de 2010 a les 09:43 +0200, en/na Yaron Shahrabani va
escriure:
 I think we should add it to the roadmap, any objections?
 Yaron Shahrabani
 Hebrew translator
 

Hi Yaron,

As mentioned before, the roadmap is for projects or objectives related
primarily to the translations community.

While this would certainly provide a big benefit to the translations
community, it is mainly a Launchpad Translations feature request. Even
then, it might make sense to add it to the roadmap.

However, I feel that this would be a significant piece of work, probably
spanning several Ubuntu cycles, and the use case and specification are
still a bit vague. It is also not clear to me who'd be willing to lead
and contribute to this effort, which would also mean getting familiar
with Launchpad development and its code base and how it is designed.
With this in mind, I think I'd prefer not to add it to the roadmap.

Please don't feel discouraged about this. If you would like to work on
this either by developing it or coordinating it, feel free to go on.
You'll certainly have the support of the Launchpad development team.
However, I'd first recommend to write a complete specification about the
feature and its implementation, as I believe it to be essential for any
development work planning.

Thanks!

Regards,
David.

 
 
 On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Ofir Klinger klinger.o...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 I think it is a great idea!
 
 
 When I translated Amarok (upstream) I opened Amarok in my
 language and marked the untranslated strings in Amarok. Then I
 searched for them in the po file and translated them.
 Many strings were impossible to translate right without the
 context, as different languages as different ways to the same
 thing.
 
 
 I am all for it, and I am willing to help updating the
 screenshots.
 
 
 
 On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Jonathan Aquilina
 eagles051...@gmail.com wrote:
 Just thought of another idea.
 
 Would it be possible then with those images to have
 the po files attached so that translators can updated
 them there directly, and see how they will look on the
 ui of a particular program?
 
 
 
 On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:55 PM, Yaron Shahrabani
 sh.ya...@gmail.com wrote:
 Its all a matter of seconds, once the feature
 is available the translators will find it
 useful and will be motivated to use it, it's
 just like translating a software with a
 resource editor which is way easier than
 translating a po file
 Yaron Shahrabani
 Hebrew translator
 
 
 
 On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Jonathan
 Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote:
 im no translator, but am a pot full of
 ideas. i think one problem we will run
 into is keeping pages up to date in
 regards to the images, when strings
 change up stream or as newer versions
 are released.
 
 
 
 On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Yaron
 Shahrabani sh.ya...@gmail.com wrote:
 Perfect!!
 I guess implementing this
 feature might cause a slower
 interface (AJAX) but way more
 intuitive and friendly.
 I would love to hear more
 suggestions...
 Yaron Shahrabani
 Hebrew translator
 
 
 
 
 On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:36
 AM, Jonathan Aquilina
 eagles051...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 this is just an idea
 for me 

Re: Ubuntu 11.04 Translations Plans

2010-10-04 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
David my idea was rather simple have a screen shot. then translators can
translate it in lp and on the screenshot and it directly edits the po file
on the back end with out the user having to touch it. Also translators can
see how the strings will look prior to release.

i would more then willingly help but i have lots on my plate at the moment.

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 10:51 PM, David Planella
david.plane...@ubuntu.comwrote:

 El dg 03 de 10 de 2010 a les 09:43 +0200, en/na Yaron Shahrabani va
 escriure:
  I think we should add it to the roadmap, any objections?
  Yaron Shahrabani
  Hebrew translator
 

 Hi Yaron,

 As mentioned before, the roadmap is for projects or objectives related
 primarily to the translations community.

 While this would certainly provide a big benefit to the translations
 community, it is mainly a Launchpad Translations feature request. Even
 then, it might make sense to add it to the roadmap.

 However, I feel that this would be a significant piece of work, probably
 spanning several Ubuntu cycles, and the use case and specification are
 still a bit vague. It is also not clear to me who'd be willing to lead
 and contribute to this effort, which would also mean getting familiar
 with Launchpad development and its code base and how it is designed.
 With this in mind, I think I'd prefer not to add it to the roadmap.

 Please don't feel discouraged about this. If you would like to work on
 this either by developing it or coordinating it, feel free to go on.
 You'll certainly have the support of the Launchpad development team.
 However, I'd first recommend to write a complete specification about the
 feature and its implementation, as I believe it to be essential for any
 development work planning.

 Thanks!

 Regards,
 David.

 
 
  On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Ofir Klinger klinger.o...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  I think it is a great idea!
 
 
  When I translated Amarok (upstream) I opened Amarok in my
  language and marked the untranslated strings in Amarok. Then I
  searched for them in the po file and translated them.
  Many strings were impossible to translate right without the
  context, as different languages as different ways to the same
  thing.
 
 
  I am all for it, and I am willing to help updating the
  screenshots.
 
 
 
  On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Jonathan Aquilina
  eagles051...@gmail.com wrote:
  Just thought of another idea.
 
  Would it be possible then with those images to have
  the po files attached so that translators can updated
  them there directly, and see how they will look on the
  ui of a particular program?
 
 
 
  On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:55 PM, Yaron Shahrabani
  sh.ya...@gmail.com wrote:
  Its all a matter of seconds, once the feature
  is available the translators will find it
  useful and will be motivated to use it, it's
  just like translating a software with a
  resource editor which is way easier than
  translating a po file
  Yaron Shahrabani
  Hebrew translator
 
 
 
  On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Jonathan
  Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote:
  im no translator, but am a pot full of
  ideas. i think one problem we will run
  into is keeping pages up to date in
  regards to the images, when strings
  change up stream or as newer versions
  are released.
 
 
 
  On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Yaron
  Shahrabani sh.ya...@gmail.com wrote:
  Perfect!!
  I guess implementing this
  feature might cause a slower
  interface (AJAX) but way more
  intuitive and friendly.
  I would love to hear more
  suggestions...
  Yaron Shahrabani
  Hebrew translator
 
 
 
 
  On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:36
  AM, Jonathan Aquilina
  eagles051...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  this is just an idea

Re: Missing initrd when building a kernel-rt

2010-10-04 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 11:07 +0200, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:

 On 10/04/2010 10:40 AM, Alessio Igor Bogani wrote:
  2010/10/4 Jeremy Jongepier jer...@autostatic.com:
  On 10/03/2010 07:41 AM, Ralf wrote:
  spinymo...@ubuntu:/usr/src/linux$ make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd
 
  Hmm, and what if you try fakeroot make-kpg --initrd kernel-image
  kernel-headers kernel-source ? Shouldn't make a difference though I think.
  
  Ubuntu don't support make-pkg.
  
  Ciao,
  Alessio
  
 
 Hello Alessio,
 
 As of which release? I've built several kernels with make-kpkg for 9.04
 and 9.10 (to include dsdt tables for my netbook). Haven't tried with
 10.04 though.
 
 Best,
 
 Jeremy


Jeremy, I did compile with make-kpkg for Hardy 8.04, resp. 64 Studio 3.0
- beta, based on Hardy and it did work.

If you should have got the time to do it, would you please try to test,
if there won't be an initrd for you too, building on Lucid or later
version of Ubuntu?

Copy and paste should be ok, if you allow HTML for received messages ;).

wget ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.33.7.tar.bz2
http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/projects/rt/patch-2.6.33.7-rt29.bz2
tar xvjf linux-2.6.33.7.tar.bz2
mv linux-2.6.33.7 linux-2.6.33.7-rt29
ln -s linux-2.6.33.7-rt29 linux
cd linux
mv ../patch-2.6.33.7-rt29.bz2 ../linux
bunzip2 patch-2.6.33.7-rt29.bz2
patch -p1  patch-2.6.33.7-rt29

If uname -r is 2.6.32-25-preempt, than ...
cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) .config
make oldconfig
... should need to push enter all the times only.

I guess it's needed to disable staging on any machine, so ...
gedit .config
Editing
CONFIG_STAGING=y
to
# CONFIG_STAGING is not set
... and then
make oldconfig
There should be nothing to do when running make oldconfig.

make-kpkg clean
make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd kernel-image kernel-headers
kernel-source

or perhaps

fakeroot first.
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Re: Real-time kernels from the Ubuntu Studio Lucid repositories

2010-10-04 Thread Alessio Igor Bogani
Hi,

2010/10/3 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net:
[...]
  2.6.31-11-rt ends in tty1
  2.6.31-10-rt ends also in tty1, for this kernel I logged in and run

 Did you try the proprietary nvidia driver?

Please remember that every driver which use DKMS infrastructure (like
nvidia and fglrx) require mandatory installation of headers packages
of all installed kernels.

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Re: Missing initrd when building a kernel-rt

2010-10-04 Thread Alessio Igor Bogani
2010/10/4 Jeremy Jongepier jer...@autostatic.com:
 On 10/03/2010 07:41 AM, Ralf wrote:
 spinymo...@ubuntu:/usr/src/linux$ make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd

 Hmm, and what if you try fakeroot make-kpg --initrd kernel-image
 kernel-headers kernel-source ? Shouldn't make a difference though I think.

Ubuntu don't support make-pkg.

Ciao,
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Re: Missing initrd when building a kernel-rt

2010-10-04 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2010-10-04 at 11:07 +0200, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
 On 10/04/2010 10:40 AM, Alessio Igor Bogani wrote:
  2010/10/4 Jeremy Jongepier jer...@autostatic.com:
  On 10/03/2010 07:41 AM, Ralf wrote:
  spinymo...@ubuntu:/usr/src/linux$ make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd
 
  Hmm, and what if you try fakeroot make-kpg --initrd kernel-image
  kernel-headers kernel-source ? Shouldn't make a difference though I think.
  
  Ubuntu don't support make-pkg.
  
  Ciao,
  Alessio
  
 
 Hello Alessio,
 
 As of which release? I've built several kernels with make-kpkg for 9.04
 and 9.10 (to include dsdt tables for my netbook). Haven't tried with
 10.04 though.
 
 Best,
 
 Jeremy

I did read all emails and will reply later this day or tomorrow, the flu
I've got is a PITA, I can't stay long on the computer ;).

But this is very important. 'make-kpkg' did build:

spinymouse1...@suse11-2:~ ls /media/ubuntu_studio/usr/src/linux*
/media/ubuntu_studio/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.33.7-rt29_2.6.33.7-rt29-10.00.Custom_amd64.deb
/media/ubuntu_studio/usr/src/linux-image-2.6.33.7-rt29_2.6.33.7-rt29-10.00.Custom_amd64.deb
/media/ubuntu_studio/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.33.7-rt29_2.6.33.7-rt29-10.00.Custom_all.deb

It's just that initrd isn't included to
linux-image-2.6.33.7-rt29_2.6.33.7-rt29-10.00.Custom_amd64.deb.

How should a kernel be build for Ubuntu today?

Cheers!

Ralf


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Re: Missing initrd when building a kernel-rt

2010-10-04 Thread Alessio Igor Bogani
Jeremy,

2010/10/4 Jeremy Jongepier jer...@autostatic.com:

 Ubuntu don't support make-pkg.
[...]
 As of which release? I've built several kernels with make-kpkg for 9.04
 and 9.10 (to include dsdt tables for my netbook). Haven't tried with
 10.04 though.

I don't recall when make-kpkg started to create problems but you can
notice that neither Ubuntu Kernel Team Wiki
(https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev/) nor Ubuntu kernel packaging
contains any reference to make-kpkg. Moreover the package which
contains that utility (that is kernel-package) is in universe so that
should be an evident sign.

Feel free to use what do you want but keep in mind that isn't the
official Ubuntu way to build a kernel (so it is unsupported).

Ciao,
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Re: Missing initrd when building a kernel-rt

2010-10-04 Thread Jeremy Jongepier
On 10/03/2010 07:41 AM, Ralf wrote:
 spinymo...@ubuntu:/usr/src/linux$ make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd

Hmm, and what if you try fakeroot make-kpg --initrd kernel-image
kernel-headers kernel-source ? Shouldn't make a difference though I think.

Best,

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Re: Missing initrd when building a kernel-rt

2010-10-04 Thread Jeremy Jongepier
On 10/04/2010 10:40 AM, Alessio Igor Bogani wrote:
 2010/10/4 Jeremy Jongepier jer...@autostatic.com:
 On 10/03/2010 07:41 AM, Ralf wrote:
 spinymo...@ubuntu:/usr/src/linux$ make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd

 Hmm, and what if you try fakeroot make-kpg --initrd kernel-image
 kernel-headers kernel-source ? Shouldn't make a difference though I think.
 
 Ubuntu don't support make-pkg.
 
 Ciao,
 Alessio
 

Hello Alessio,

As of which release? I've built several kernels with make-kpkg for 9.04
and 9.10 (to include dsdt tables for my netbook). Haven't tried with
10.04 though.

Best,

Jeremy

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Last call (was Natty and RT Kernel)

2010-10-04 Thread Alessio Igor Bogani
Hi,

If you would want help in kernel stuff for Ubuntu Studio please reply
to these questions:

Which are kernels on you are interested in? The -rt, -lowlatency or -realtime?
Which kernels you use on per day basis (so you can provide at least
test and feedback)?
How do you would want help (test, packaging, upstream relation, Ubuntu
relation, Studio relation and so on)?
Which Ubuntu releases do you would want see well supported for
that/those kernels? Every releases or only LTS?

Please reply only if you want help.

Thanks

Ciao,
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Re: Last call (was Natty and RT Kernel)

2010-10-04 Thread Erik Rasmussen
Alessio,

*Which are kernels on you are interested in?  *-*rt *
*Which kernels you use on per day basis (so you can provide at least test
and feedback)?  -rt*
I use the *-rt kernel on a daily basis* for both multimedia work and
non-multimedia work, on my laptop, and it is very reliable for me and I
never get xruns in Ardour with it.

I (and probably many others on this list) do not have a good grasp of who is
doing what in regards to Ubuntu Studio, but I'd like to understand more.

I'd like to learn more about what is involved with getting an -rt kernel
available for Ubuntu Studio and I'd be willing to help.

*How do you want to help (test, packaging, upstream relation, Ubuntu
relation, Studio relation and so on)?  Test*
Not sure what the *relation items mean, but if pointed to some educational
materials, perhaps I can help with other things as well.

*Which Ubuntu releases do you would want see well supported for that/those
kernels? Every releases or only LTS?  Preferably every release.*

Alessio, what you wrote at
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/RealTimeKernel
is very helpful information.  Do you have any advice on where I can learn
more so that I can more effectively help?
*
*-Erik

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 09:27, Alessio Igor Bogani abog...@ubuntu.comwrote:

 Hi,

 If you would want help in kernel stuff for Ubuntu Studio please reply
 to these questions:

 Which are kernels on you are interested in? The -rt, -lowlatency or
 -realtime?
 Which kernels you use on per day basis (so you can provide at least
 test and feedback)?
 How do you would want help (test, packaging, upstream relation, Ubuntu
 relation, Studio relation and so on)?
 Which Ubuntu releases do you would want see well supported for
 that/those kernels? Every releases or only LTS?

 Please reply only if you want help.

 Thanks

 Ciao,
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Re: Real-time kernels from the Ubuntu Studio Lucid repositories

2010-10-04 Thread Brian David
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 1:39 AM, Alessio Igor Bogani abog...@ubuntu.comwrote:

 Hi,

 2010/10/3 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net:
 [...]
   2.6.31-11-rt ends in tty1
   2.6.31-10-rt ends also in tty1, for this kernel I logged in and run
 
  Did you try the proprietary nvidia driver?

 Please remember that every driver which use DKMS infrastructure (like
 nvidia and fglrx) require mandatory installation of headers packages
 of all installed kernels.

 Ciao,
 Alessio


I ran into a problem with this the other day.  Some sort of re-installation
of fglrx had to take place on my computer, but the package would not build
under the -realtime kernel.  As a result, the package didn't builld under
any of my kernels, and I lost my video driver.  I had to entirely uninstall
the -realtime kernel, including all headers, before I could re-install fglrx
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Re: Last call (was Natty and RT Kernel)

2010-10-04 Thread Alessio Igor Bogani
Hi Erik,

2010/10/4 Erik Rasmussen mailfore...@gmail.com:
[...]

Could you subscribe -devel mailing list and provide your feedback on:
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2010-October/002648.html,
please?

Thanks!

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Re: Last call (was Natty and RT Kernel)

2010-10-04 Thread laurent.bellegarde
Le 04/10/2010 16:27, Alessio Igor Bogani a écrit :
 Hi,

 If you would want help in kernel stuff for Ubuntu Studio please reply
 to these questions:

 Which are kernels on you are interested in? The -rt, -lowlatency or -realtime?


Real time for audio, is there de difference beetween the three proposals ?

 Which kernels you use on per day basis (so you can provide at least
 test and feedback)?

RT for multimedia, audio and video editing, RT for non-multimedia work

 How do you would want help (test, packaging, upstream relation, Ubuntu
 relation, Studio relation and so on)?

testing, advertising, conference, demonstration to large public

 Which Ubuntu releases do you would want see well supported for
 that/those kernels? Every releases or only LTS?


in priority LTS, because as we are working in improvement of video 
editing tools/documentation, only LTS has an enough large life to 
develop/improve...

 Please reply only if you want help.

 Thanks

 Ciao,
 Alessio


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[ubuntu-ec] Charlas para testeadores de Ubuntu

2010-10-04 Thread Pedro Franco
Hola:
Aqui les dejo un enlace, para aquellos que deseen ayudar a testear las 
diferente .ISO de ubutu, conforme avanza su desarrollo:
(1) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/PromotingLoCoTestingTeams
(2) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/LoCoTeam

Es importante involucrarnos en este tipo de actividades comunitarias, al igual 
que las charlas ubunteras, proximas a realizarse, de la cual, enviare mas 
informacion mas adelante.

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Ubuntu 10.04 LTS ou Ubuntu 10.10

2010-10-04 Thread Tiago Rocha
Com certeza LTS...
Até pq ainda nao foi lançada a versão estável do 10.10... só tem beta!

E geralmente depois de lançado o Ubuntu precisa de cerca de 1 ou 2 meses
para amadurecer legal. De inicial sempre aparecem alguns bugs (o que eu acho
normal de acontecer nestes casos), e são logos corrigidos nos meses
seguintes.

Com o 10.04 vc já vai evitar isso, pois ele está num nível de amadurecimento
excelente.

[]'s e boa sorte lá!
Tiago Rocha

Em 4 de outubro de 2010 10:02, Ivan Brasil Fuzzer i...@fuzzer.com.brescreveu:

 Para 20 máquinas o melhor é sempre utilizar LTS a não ser que você
 precise de algum recurso da 10.10 que não há a possibilidade de
 instalação na 10.04.

 Em 04-10-2010 09:46, Wilson Bom escreveu:
  Bom dia Pessoal,
 
  Boa semana a todos
 
  Vamos instalar o Ubuntu em 20 máquinas e a pergunta que não quer calar é
  a seguinte:
 
  Vamos direto para 10.10 ou ficamos com a LTS ?
 
 

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Ubuntu não reconhece automático me u celular como storage card ou pen drive

2010-10-04 Thread Darlan Dapper
Prezado Gracco; Bom dia!

Da uma olhada e verifica o que posso estar fazendo de errado
adriana-lap...@ubuntu-notebook:~$ sudo modprobe usb
usb8xxx   usbhidusbnetusbtouchscreen
usbatmusbip usbserial usbvideo
usb_debug usbip_common_mod  usbsevseg usbvision
usbduxusblcdusb-storage
usbduxfastusbledusbtest
usb_gigaset   usblp usbtmc
adriana-lap...@ubuntu-notebook:~$ sudo modprobe usb




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gracco.cerque...@gmail.comescreveu:

 Você digitou errado, o nome do módulo é usb-storage não usb [espaço]
 storage. Quando você for digitar o sudo modprobe usb[nessa hora aperta TAB
 2
 vezes que ele vai listar todos os módulos USB].

 Em 10 de abril de 2010 20:29, Darlan Dapper darlan.dap...@gmail.com
 escreveu:

  Amigo olha a menssagem que ele retornou 
 
  adri...@adriana:~$ sudo modprobe usb storage
  [sudo] password for adriana:
  FATAL: Module usb not found.
 
 
 
  Em 10 de abril de 2010 19:41, Gracco Guimarães
  gracco.cerque...@gmail.comescreveu:
 
   Tenta colocar o celular no USB, e digitar no terminal sudo modprobe
   usb-storage, o meu acontecia isso com o mouse USB, parava de funcionar
 do
   nada, ai era só subindo o módulo.
  
   Abraço
  
   Em 10 de abril de 2010 16:20, Darlan Dapper darlan.dap...@gmail.com
   escreveu:
  
Amigos; boa tarde!
   
Desculpa a chateação, mas não sei a quem recorrer se não aos amigos
 da
Lista
   
Meu Ubuntu de uns mês para cá sem mais nem menos não reconhece os
   celulares
que plugamos nele para usar como pen drive
   
Modelos que ele antes reconhecia:
   
- Qtek (meu filho)
- Motorola (minha esposa)
- Foston (meu)
   
Agora a gente pluga e ele apenas mostra mensagem dizendo carregando
 ...
   
Mais nada na tela do computador não aparece nada nem no nautilus
   
Alguém sabe como fazer isso para que ele volte a ser o ubuntu
 bonzinho
  de
antes ??
   
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[Ubuntu-BR] Problema na detecção de vga nvidia .

2010-10-04 Thread Luciano Marques
Olá, às vezes minha vga nao é reconhecida na inicializaçao. Aí toda vez que
isso acontece (e agora ocorre com frequência) eu tenho que parar o X
(/etc/init.d/gdm stop) e rodar startx pra vga voltar a funcionar. Isso
ocorre tanto com o driver fornecido pelo ubuntu quanto com o driver da
nvidia, testei os dois. Alguém tem alguma pista do que seja? Uso o ubuntu
10.04 64bits. Detalhe, no ubuntu 9.10 o problema nao ocorre.
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Problemas com Samba

2010-10-04 Thread Allan Ricardo
Opa te perguntei ontem sobre o modelo de sua rede ... !

vamos lah então!!


nos linux

veja em /etc/hosts

vc deve ter algo como

127.0.0.1   localhost
127.0.1.1   nomeadamaquina
seu.ip.fixo  nomedamaquina.local   nomedamaquina


nos windows veja o nome da maquina na propriedades

da uma lida nestes artigos!

http://pitxyoki.blogspot.com/2008/01/resoluo-de-nomes-em-redes-com-clientes.html
http://www.vivaolinux.com.br/artigo/Samba-e-seu-processo-de-resolucao-de-nomes

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Inkscape x formato cdr

2010-10-04 Thread nethell
On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 10:20:23 -0300
nethell neth...@logbin.net wrote:

 On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 20:54:43 -0300
 Vinicius Franco do Nascimento vinicius.nascime...@gmail.com wrote:
  Não sei se este programa irá converter para você os trabalhos.
  Mas o http://sk1project.org/ é um programa muito similar ao Corel Draw.
 
 Vinicius e demais,
 Instalei o sk1, fiz o teste de abertura e importação do cdr e, como supuz, 
 ocorreu o mesmo que no inkscape. 
 Aparentemente, embora com algumas bibliotecas extras, o sk1 é idêntico ao 
 Inkscape e deve usar o mesmo filtro... nada feito.
 Mas já me contactaram e estão enviando os arquivos em formatos svg e gif 
 (estranho), para mim está resolvida a questão. 
 nethell - Ubuntu user 24389 - Linux user 496632

Desculpem-me, na ânsia de retornar o resultado, não agradeci as informações a 
respeito.
Mas creio que o assunto ficou bem definido na lista para futuras consultas...
De minha parte, estou praticando engenharia reversa junto aos usuários do 
Corel e enviando a eles um CD do Ubuntu com as devidas instruções de instalação 
do Inkscape :) 
Como eles se interessaram... vamos ver se consigo pelo menos mais 3 Ubuntu 
users.

Valeu, turma. 

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Ubuntu 10.04 LTS ou Ubuntu 10.10

2010-10-04 Thread Allan Ricardo
LTS tem mais tempo de suporte ...
Acredito que no seu caso sera mais  interessante pelo tempo de suporte.
da uma lida

http://releases.ubuntu.com/10.04/
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[Ubuntu-BR] Ubuntu 10.04 LTS ou Ubuntu 10.10

2010-10-04 Thread Wilson Bom
Bom dia Pessoal,

Boa semana a todos

Vamos instalar o Ubuntu em 20 máquinas e a pergunta que não quer calar é 
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Inkscape x formato cdr

2010-10-04 Thread nethell
On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 20:54:43 -0300
Vinicius Franco do Nascimento vinicius.nascime...@gmail.com wrote:
 Não sei se este programa irá converter para você os trabalhos.
 Mas o http://sk1project.org/ é um programa muito similar ao Corel Draw.

Vinicius e demais,

Instalei o sk1, fiz o teste de abertura e importação do cdr e, como supuz, 
ocorreu o mesmo que no inkscape. 
Aparentemente, embora com algumas bibliotecas extras, o sk1 é idêntico ao 
Inkscape e deve usar o mesmo filtro... nada feito.

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Inkscape x formato cdr

2010-10-04 Thread nethell
On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 20:54:43 -0300
Vinicius Franco do Nascimento vinicius.nascime...@gmail.com wrote:
 Caro,
 Não sei se este programa irá converter para você os trabalhos.
 Mas o http://sk1project.org/ é um programa muito similar ao Corel Draw.
 Um abraço,
 Vinícius Franco do Nascimento

Dei um lida rápida nas aplicações inclusas no projeto, ele utiliza o filtro CDR 
Explorer para conversão em conjunto com o sk1 e uniconvertor... não sei se o 
recurso seria o mesmo do Inkscape, mas acho que vale a pena a tentativa.
Como eu mencionei, não uso essa aplicação na minha rotina e o caso que 
apresentei foi isolado e estou aguardando o retorno dos arquivos convertidos.
Mas se tiver um tempo vago por aqui, vou testar os recursos do sk1 porém... 
estou achando que a funcionalidade do filtro será idêntica à do utilizado pelo 
Inkscape e vai depender da interpretação do binŕio cdr de acordo com a versão 
utilizada.

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Problemas com Samba

2010-10-04 Thread Marlon
tu temq ver como está a resolução de nomes do teu pc

no arquivo de conf do samba deve ter algo como:

name resolve order = lmhosts host bcast

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Em 3 de outubro de 2010 22:54, Fábio Magnoni fabiohmagn...@gmail.comescreveu:

 É apenas grupo mesmo, simples


 Em 3 de outubro de 2010 22:41, Allan Ricardo allana...@gmail.com
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  Como é sua rede? você se utentica por um dominio ou é apenas grupo ? ou
  seja, possui um servidor de nomes?
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Linux não tem Tela azul

2010-10-04 Thread Marlon
Renato,
se o programa não é compatível com o SO, o responsável pelo SO não tem
culpa levanta uma VM e usa o SO que é compatível de acordo com as
especificações técnicas do programa.

ps: apesar de tudo eu gostei do *Ou melhor, sei: INÉRCIA.*
Abraço galera
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Em 3 de outubro de 2010 19:33, Allan Ricardo allana...@gmail.com escreveu:

 É uma opnião pessoal, mas acjo o compiz e outros de personalização
 grafica, ou seja, que colocam animações,
 fonguinhos, cubinhos e tals, meio perfumaria e cosmeticos, sem
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Usando túnel SSH para conexões seg uras e anônimas.

2010-10-04 Thread Allan Ricardo
Boa, deu certo! obrigado!
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Usando túnel SSH para conexões se guras e anônimas.

2010-10-04 Thread Marlon
Sim, pelo IP.. mas certifique-se de: a porta estar aberta no roteador,modem
e pela própria compania q faz o relay do seu ip (ex: a Oi e a NetV bloqueiam
a porta 80 e a 25 se não me engano) e por segurança, não deixe um usuário
com permissão de root logar no ssh. Explicações aqui: www.google.com.br :)

Allan,
na verdade, como o Nilsonm falou, não precisa instalar programa nenhum
basta usar no terminal o comando -D [porta] e no programa usar o proxy socks
v5. e para não ficar o terminal aberto pode-se usar o comando nohup e o ()
e-comercial para o processo ir para o init e você poder fechar o terminal :)

Ex:

$ nohup ssh -qTfnNC -D 5900 usua...@host 

*
*

*
*

os outros parâmetros no comando são para eficácia, eficiência e segurança
aprimorada da conexão, explicações:



-q :- be very quite, we are acting only as a tunnel.
-T :- Do not allocate a pseudo tty, we are only acting a tunnel.
-f :- move the ssh process to background, as we don’t want to interact with
this ssh session directly.
-N :- Do not execute remote command.
-n :- redirect standard input to /dev/null.
-C :- compressão habilitada, para conexões lentas.

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Em 1 de outubro de 2010 18:24, Fábio Magnoni fabiohmagn...@gmail.comescreveu:

 Certo, se eu quiser montar meu pc de casa como meu servidor, como eu seria
 por exemplo o nome que eu colocaria no @servidor? O IP do meu pc?

 Foi mal pela ignorância, por isso to perguntando hehehe

 []s

 Em 1 de outubro de 2010 18:05, Nilson Morais darkstrik...@gmail.com
 escreveu:

  No cliente:
 
  Dê um ssh -D u...@servidor
  e
  configure o proxy como socks localhost:
 
  Done. ;)
 
 
 
  2010/10/1 Allan Ricardo allana...@gmail.com
 
   Bom galera ontem eu havia questionado aqui na lista commo se faz um
 proxy
   para de certa forma burlar restrições de acessos de redes (Como a do
   trabalho, hoteis etc ...), as respostas foram muitas e sairam melhor
 qeu
   encomenda paga via sedex 10!
  
   Alem de conseguir burlar bloqueios temos um tunel SSH ou seja
 segurança
   total nas informações transmitidas sem a preocupação de que alguém
 possa
   estar bisbilhotando sua navegação.
  
   Vou passar os passos aqui do que eu fiz 
   o link do Tutorial que me foi útil é esse:
   o que será descrito aqui é um resumão
  
  
   1- Você deve ter um servidor ao qual você possui acesso via SSH
   2- Instale o Tinyproxy do lado do servidor e da maquina cliente
   3- As configurações básicas do Tinyproxy ja estão de bom tamanho, mas é
  de
   extrema importância que você de uma olhada nelas para saber o que da
 para
   melhorar
   4- A porta padrão do Tinyproxy é  você pode trocar pela que você
  quiser
   ...
   5- No navegador (Firefox) vá em preferencias  Avançado  Rede e
 coloque
  a
   configuração do proxy : localhost porta: 8000
   6-  Abra o terminal e digite ssh usua...@endereÇodoserverssh -NL
   8000:localhost:
   7- Vai ficar suspenso esse comando não o cancele ... enquanto ele
 estiver
   ativo você terá conexão com tunel criado
  
  
   Galera isso foi um resumão dos brabo tem muita coisa para melhorar,
  muita
   mesmo! estou preparando um artigo que postarei no
 vivaolinux.com.brposto
   aqui o link!
  
   Quem souber de melhorias posta ai!
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Ubuntu 10.04 LTS ou Ubuntu 10.10

2010-10-04 Thread Ivan Brasil Fuzzer
Para 20 máquinas o melhor é sempre utilizar LTS a não ser que você 
precise de algum recurso da 10.10 que não há a possibilidade de 
instalação na 10.04.

Em 04-10-2010 09:46, Wilson Bom escreveu:
 Bom dia Pessoal,

 Boa semana a todos

 Vamos instalar o Ubuntu em 20 máquinas e a pergunta que não quer calar é
 a seguinte:

 Vamos direto para 10.10 ou ficamos com a LTS ?



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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Linux não tem Tela azul

2010-10-04 Thread Renato Alvim
Cansei de PC.
Estou comprando um Mac mini hoje.
Adeus Windows.
W vou usar o Ubuntu nele.
Chega...
Grato a todos.

Quanto ao programa não ser compatível, amigo...
O Encore é o mesmo.
Rodava no XPe agora nem entra.
O Sibelius rodava e agora não roda mais.
Ora, o problema é dos programas?
Faça-me o favor.
Eu tenho um XP que roda do CD.
Mas não vou fazer isso.


Em 4 de outubro de 2010 09:06, Marlon yoda...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Renato,
 se o programa não é compatível com o SO, o responsável pelo SO não tem
 culpa levanta uma VM e usa o SO que é compatível de acordo com as
 especificações técnicas do programa.

 ps: apesar de tudo eu gostei do *Ou melhor, sei: INÉRCIA.*
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  É uma opnião pessoal, mas acjo o compiz e outros de personalização
  grafica, ou seja, que colocam animações,
  fonguinhos, cubinhos e tals, meio perfumaria e cosmeticos, sem
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[Ubuntu-BR] Abrir arquivos localizados em partiç ões e sistemas diferentes?

2010-10-04 Thread Edson.Yahoo
Amigos
Tenho instalados DualBoot (WinSeven + Ubuntu 10.04) em duas partições... 
tenho arquivos (avi, jpg, doc, pdf, etc) únicos,  em ambos os sistemas e 
partições.
Pergunta: Como posso acessar qualquer arquivo a partir do sistema que 
estiver aberto?
Agradeço qualquer informação que será considerada.
Abçs
Edson



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[Ubuntu-BR] problema na inicialização - Ubun tu 10.04

2010-10-04 Thread Lamack Lamack

Pessoal sou novo no linux (Ubuntu 10.04) e após tentar mudar o encoding do 
sistema não consigo mais iniciar normalmente. Na inicialização recebo a 
mensagem:

Filesystem check or mout failed 

Para mudar o enconding segui os seguintes passos:

1)


sudo cd /var/lib/locales/supported.d 



alterei o conteudo dos arquivos:  local e pt para




pt_BR.ISO-8859-1 ISO-8859-1

2) localedef -i pt_BR -c -f ISO-8859-1 pt_BR

Por fim, mudei o /etc/default/locale , informando:

LANG=pt_BR”

LANGUAGE=pt_BR”

Pessoal, como faço pra reverter pra situaçao anterior?. Por favor me deem uma 
luz, não quero instalar tudo de novo.

abs

ML
  
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Abrir arquivos localizados em partiç ões e sistemas diferentes?

2010-10-04 Thread Allan Ricardo
Você tem varias formas de fazer isso vou citar uma:

Usando uma partição comum para arquivos:

por exemplo:

part1  windows - ntfs
part2  linux - ext4
part3  arquivos ext4 ou ntfs

se a partição de arquivos estivar em ntfs o linux ja lê naturalmente (ou so
instalar o ntfs-3g)
se a partição estiver em ext4 você pdoe instalar um leitor de partições
linux no windows ele ira reconhecer como se fosse uma partição nativa


Na minha opinião é muito chato ter dois sistemas em dual boot instala um so
e coloca maquina virtual, eu prefira instalar o ubuntu e colocar o
virtualbox e nele o win
se o seu probs for jogo o virtualbox integra tão bem com o kernel que da pra
rodar jogo na maquina virtual do win como se fosse uma maquina fisica
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] problema na inicialização - Ubuntu 10.04

2010-10-04 Thread Allan Ricardo
com certeza você fez um backup do arquivo que vc alterou neh!?
entra com um live cd e restaura o arquivo original.
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] problema na inicialização - Ubunt u 10.04

2010-10-04 Thread Paulo de Souza Lima
O que tem a montagem de filesystem a ver com a codificação de caracteres?

Tem algo sinistro aí.


Em 4 de outubro de 2010 13:47, Lamack Lamack mar.lam...@hotmail.comescreveu:


 Pessoal sou novo no linux (Ubuntu 10.04) e após tentar mudar o encoding do
 sistema não consigo mais iniciar normalmente. Na inicialização recebo a
 mensagem:

 Filesystem check or mout failed 

 Para mudar o enconding segui os seguintes passos:

 1)


 sudo cd /var/lib/locales/supported.d



 alterei o conteudo dos arquivos:  local e pt para




 pt_BR.ISO-8859-1 ISO-8859-1

 2) localedef -i pt_BR -c -f ISO-8859-1 pt_BR

 Por fim, mudei o /etc/default/locale , informando:

 LANG=pt_BR”

 LANGUAGE=pt_BR”

 Pessoal, como faço pra reverter pra situaçao anterior?. Por favor me deem
 uma luz, não quero instalar tudo de novo.

 abs

 ML

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] problema na inicialização - Ubuntu 10.04

2010-10-04 Thread Allan Ricardo
Nada a ver mas se foi a única coisa que ele alterou ... desfazer o que fez
que nós descobriremos!
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