Re: Jaunty Mobile

2009-04-30 Thread Ramaddan
Hi,

1) The issues that I had was that the netbook-launcher was not running in
harmony with the previous mobile desktop when it upgraded, and it would
keep trying to decided whether it should be in front of or behind the
panels.

I just uninstalled it, and things were back to normal.

2) Aside from that, I've been having many system freezes, and I'm not sure
if that is related to my hardware, or the upgrade itself.

My TabletPC uses the Intel 945 graphic card
eGalax toucscreen

The freeze never happens, unless I touch the screen a lot. If I were to
plug in a mouse, then no freezes, so it seems to be related to touchscreen
maybe?

I guess this is a heads up for people thinking of upgrading to Jaunty.


John Rudd johnk...@gmail.com wrote on 29 Apr 2009, 01:17 PM:
Subject: Re: Jaunty Mobile
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 09:00, Ramaddan ramad...@gawab.com wrote:
 Hi,

 I just upgraded, and had the dreaded netbook launcher which does not
 integrate well with a TabletPC (gave issues, apart from looking ugly on a
 TabletPC),


What issues did it give?


 so after upgrading, I just removed the netbook-launcher package, and I
 was back to normal again, but as Emmet said, the best is to test the
 release for yourself first before doing anything else.

 The upgrade removed the Ubuntu-mobile package, but after removing the
 netbook-launcher, the settings were still there, probably in the user's
 folder.

 So I'm thinking of making a Jaunty package of ubuntu-mobile from the
 Intrepid package. Will see how that goes with me when I get some time.

 Regards,
 Ramaddan

 Emmet Hikory per...@ubuntu.com wrote on 29 Apr 2009, 10:44 AM:
 Subject: Re: Jaunty Mobile
Turgut Durduran wrote:
 You might try with a live USB session first, just to see if you
like
 it.  That's the safe way to determine if something would meet your
needs.

 I am in a very similar boat as the other poster -- using Samsung Q1U. I
started with the earlier version that had the hildon desktop and really
hated it (mainly because of the difficulty to switch between windows etc)
and moved to the mobile and I find it quite useful.

 I will test the live USB session but just to confirm, I should not
attempt to a distribution upgrade with my present installation.Is that
accurate?

I believe a distribution upgrade should mostly work.  There's no
special hints in update-manager to support UMPC though, so you may find
the results a bit unpolished.  If you're comfortable working with a
package manager, then you should be able to resolve any confusion.  If
you're not comfortable, a fresh installation may be easier.

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Re: Jaunty Mobile

2009-04-30 Thread Turgut Durduran

 There is no separate UMPC release for Jaunty.  In many ways, the

 goals of the UMPC flavour were identical to the goals of the Netbook
 Remix, and there were several sets of instructions on partially enabling
 the Netbook Remix interface for the UMPC release in intrepid.  During
 the Jaunty cycle, the code and packages previously in the Netbook Remix
 were brought up to date and integrated with Ubuntu, resulting in a
 release as a flavour of Ubuntu, rather than a derivative.
 
 Those that prefer the previous interface are probably best served by
 installing Desktop, and then installing the intrepid ubuntu-mobile
 package.  I'm not sure if this works (I haven't tried it).  If someone
 wants to take over maintenance of the settings package and associated
 bits to work in Karmic, that is certainly a solution, but those
 previously maintaining it have merged their efforts with the Netbook Remix.

I have just tried the Netbook Remix via live USB. I see that *some* bugs that 
haunted me with UMPC and intrepid were resolved -- for example, wireless now 
wakes up after suspend. This is on a Samsung Q1U.

To my dislike, it still did not recognize the builtin cameras, did not turn the 
arrow keys into scrollers (I guess I still need to set the keycodes accordingly 
still), touch screen calibration froze the unit, I can not find an easy way to 
edit and reduce the clutter of the netbook interface.

I guess this mailing list may not be the right place to report these anymore? 
Or is it?

Thanks for all your suggestions.

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Re: Jaunty Mobile

2009-04-30 Thread Jeff
If you hate the interface that NB remix has the devopers also included
a way to go to the classic desktop. Then you just install the mobile
package like we did before. I haven't tried it yet because of my next
problem.

During install after the format and organizing of the partitions it hangs on 5%.

It doesn't freeze but it zips right to it and stops there is no
activity on the USB so i restarted. It did it again when I selected
install on the boot menu instead of try. Any one else have this hang?
Or does it just take a long time on the 5 and I am being impatient.

Jeff

On Thursday, April 30, 2009, John Rudd johnk...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 04:38, Turgut Durduran durdu...@yahoo.com wrote:

     There is no separate UMPC release for Jaunty.  In many ways, the

 goals of the UMPC flavour were identical to the goals of the Netbook
 Remix, and there were several sets of instructions on partially enabling
 the Netbook Remix interface for the UMPC release in intrepid.  During
 the Jaunty cycle, the code and packages previously in the Netbook Remix
 were brought up to date and integrated with Ubuntu, resulting in a
 release as a flavour of Ubuntu, rather than a derivative.

     Those that prefer the previous interface are probably best served by
 installing Desktop, and then installing the intrepid ubuntu-mobile
 package.  I'm not sure if this works (I haven't tried it).  If someone
 wants to take over maintenance of the settings package and associated
 bits to work in Karmic, that is certainly a solution, but those
 previously maintaining it have merged their efforts with the Netbook Remix.

 I have just tried the Netbook Remix via live USB. I see that *some* bugs 
 that haunted me with UMPC and intrepid were resolved -- for example, 
 wireless now wakes up after suspend. This is on a Samsung Q1U.

 To my dislike, it still did not recognize the builtin cameras, did not turn 
 the arrow keys into scrollers (I guess I still need to set the keycodes 
 accordingly still), touch screen calibration froze the unit, I can not find 
 an easy way to edit and reduce the clutter of the netbook interface.


 What about screen rotation?  Under Intrepeid, at least early on, it
 was lousy.  The mouse and touch screen axes didn't properly update
 with the rotated screen, so pointer movement was WAY off.   Have you
 tried screen rotation with Jaunty, on the Q1U?

 I think it'd be nice to do Google Reader in portrait mode, for example :-)

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Re: Jaunty Mobile

2009-04-29 Thread Turgut Durduran





From: Jeff yam...@gmail.com
To: Emmet Hikory per...@ubuntu.com
Cc: Ubuntu Mobile ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:03:05 PM
Subject: Jaunty Mobile

I can not find Mobile in the Jaunty folder in  releases.ubuntu.com  . Did it 
get moved? I only see NetBook Remix


i am bit puzzled by this too.


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Re: Jaunty Mobile

2009-04-29 Thread Emmet Hikory
Jeff wrote:
 I can not find Mobile in the Jaunty folder in  releases.ubuntu.com
 http://releases.ubuntu.com  . Did it get moved? I only see NetBook Remix

There is no separate UMPC release for Jaunty.  In many ways, the
goals of the UMPC flavour were identical to the goals of the Netbook
Remix, and there were several sets of instructions on partially enabling
the Netbook Remix interface for the UMPC release in intrepid.  During
the Jaunty cycle, the code and packages previously in the Netbook Remix
were brought up to date and integrated with Ubuntu, resulting in a
release as a flavour of Ubuntu, rather than a derivative.

Those that prefer the previous interface are probably best served by
installing Desktop, and then installing the intrepid ubuntu-mobile
package.  I'm not sure if this works (I haven't tried it).  If someone
wants to take over maintenance of the settings package and associated
bits to work in Karmic, that is certainly a solution, but those
previously maintaining it have merged their efforts with the Netbook Remix.

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Re: Jaunty Mobile

2009-04-29 Thread Emmet Hikory
Turgut Durduran wrote:
 You might try with a live USB session first, just to see if you like
 it.  That's the safe way to determine if something would meet your needs.
 
 I am in a very similar boat as the other poster -- using Samsung Q1U. I 
 started with the earlier version that had the hildon desktop and really hated 
 it (mainly because of the difficulty to switch between windows etc) and moved 
 to the mobile and I find it quite useful. 
 
 I will test the live USB session but just to confirm, I should not attempt to 
 a distribution upgrade with my present installation.Is that accurate?

I believe a distribution upgrade should mostly work.  There's no
special hints in update-manager to support UMPC though, so you may find
the results a bit unpolished.  If you're comfortable working with a
package manager, then you should be able to resolve any confusion.  If
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Re: Jaunty Mobile

2009-04-29 Thread Ramaddan
Hi,

I just upgraded, and had the dreaded netbook launcher which does not
integrate well with a TabletPC (gave issues, apart from looking ugly on a
TabletPC),
so after upgrading, I just removed the netbook-launcher package, and I
was back to normal again, but as Emmet said, the best is to test the
release for yourself first before doing anything else.

The upgrade removed the Ubuntu-mobile package, but after removing the
netbook-launcher, the settings were still there, probably in the user's
folder.

So I'm thinking of making a Jaunty package of ubuntu-mobile from the
Intrepid package. Will see how that goes with me when I get some time.

Regards,
Ramaddan

Emmet Hikory per...@ubuntu.com wrote on 29 Apr 2009, 10:44 AM:
Subject: Re: Jaunty Mobile
Turgut Durduran wrote:
 You might try with a live USB session first, just to see if you like
 it.  That's the safe way to determine if something would meet your
needs.
 
 I am in a very similar boat as the other poster -- using Samsung Q1U. I
started with the earlier version that had the hildon desktop and really
hated it (mainly because of the difficulty to switch between windows etc)
and moved to the mobile and I find it quite useful. 
 
 I will test the live USB session but just to confirm, I should not
attempt to a distribution upgrade with my present installation.Is that
accurate?

I believe a distribution upgrade should mostly work.  There's no
special hints in update-manager to support UMPC though, so you may find
the results a bit unpolished.  If you're comfortable working with a
package manager, then you should be able to resolve any confusion.  If
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Re: Jaunty Mobile

2009-04-29 Thread Ramaddan
Hi,

I just upgraded, and had the dreaded netbook launcher which does not
integrate well with a TabletPC (gave issues, apart from looking ugly on a
TabletPC),
so after upgrading, I just removed the netbook-launcher package, and I
was back to normal again, but as Emmet said, the best is to test the
release for yourself first before doing anything else.

The upgrade removed the Ubuntu-mobile package, but after removing the
netbook-launcher, the settings were still there, probably in the user's
folder.

So I'm thinking of making a Jaunty package of ubuntu-mobile from the
Intrepid package. Will see how that goes with me when I get some time.

Regards,
Ramaddan

Emmet Hikory per...@ubuntu.com wrote on 29 Apr 2009, 10:44 AM:
Subject: Re: Jaunty Mobile
Turgut Durduran wrote:
 You might try with a live USB session first, just to see if you like
 it.  That's the safe way to determine if something would meet your
needs.
 
 I am in a very similar boat as the other poster -- using Samsung Q1U. I
started with the earlier version that had the hildon desktop and really
hated it (mainly because of the difficulty to switch between windows etc)
and moved to the mobile and I find it quite useful. 
 
 I will test the live USB session but just to confirm, I should not
attempt to a distribution upgrade with my present installation.Is that
accurate?

I believe a distribution upgrade should mostly work.  There's no
special hints in update-manager to support UMPC though, so you may find
the results a bit unpolished.  If you're comfortable working with a
package manager, then you should be able to resolve any confusion.  If
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Re: Jaunty Mobile (correction)

2009-04-29 Thread Ramaddan
Hi,

Actually, there are two packages, one called ubuntu-mobile and one called
ubuntu-mobile-default-settings which was not removed after upgrade to
Jaunty.

The ubuntu-mobile package seems to install the packages required for
ubuntu-mobile, and the ubuntu-mobile-default-settings are the settings for
these packages.

Can anyone confirm this? I did not have time to look deeply into these
packages, and sorry for the earlier double post.

Thanks

Ramaddan  ramad...@gawab.com wrote on 29 Apr 2009, 12:00 PM:
Subject: Re: Jaunty Mobile
Hi,

I just upgraded, and had the dreaded netbook launcher which does not
integrate well with a TabletPC (gave issues, apart from looking ugly on a
TabletPC),
so after upgrading, I just removed the netbook-launcher package, and I
was back to normal again, but as Emmet said, the best is to test the
release for yourself first before doing anything else.

The upgrade removed the Ubuntu-mobile package, but after removing the
netbook-launcher, the settings were still there, probably in the user's
folder.

So I'm thinking of making a Jaunty package of ubuntu-mobile from the
Intrepid package. Will see how that goes with me when I get some time.

Regards,
Ramaddan

Emmet Hikory per...@ubuntu.com wrote on 29 Apr 2009, 10:44 AM:
Subject: Re: Jaunty Mobile
Turgut Durduran wrote:
 You might try with a live USB session first, just to see if you
like
 it.  That's the safe way to determine if something would meet your
needs.
 
 I am in a very similar boat as the other poster -- using Samsung Q1U. I
started with the earlier version that had the hildon desktop and really
hated it (mainly because of the difficulty to switch between windows etc)
and moved to the mobile and I find it quite useful. 
 
 I will test the live USB session but just to confirm, I should not
attempt to a distribution upgrade with my present installation.Is that
accurate?

I believe a distribution upgrade should mostly work.  There's no
special hints in update-manager to support UMPC though, so you may find
the results a bit unpolished.  If you're comfortable working with a
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Re: Jaunty Mobile

2009-04-29 Thread John Rudd
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 09:00, Ramaddan ramad...@gawab.com wrote:
 Hi,

 I just upgraded, and had the dreaded netbook launcher which does not
 integrate well with a TabletPC (gave issues, apart from looking ugly on a
 TabletPC),


What issues did it give?


 so after upgrading, I just removed the netbook-launcher package, and I
 was back to normal again, but as Emmet said, the best is to test the
 release for yourself first before doing anything else.

 The upgrade removed the Ubuntu-mobile package, but after removing the
 netbook-launcher, the settings were still there, probably in the user's
 folder.

 So I'm thinking of making a Jaunty package of ubuntu-mobile from the
 Intrepid package. Will see how that goes with me when I get some time.

 Regards,
 Ramaddan

 Emmet Hikory per...@ubuntu.com wrote on 29 Apr 2009, 10:44 AM:
 Subject: Re: Jaunty Mobile
Turgut Durduran wrote:
     You might try with a live USB session first, just to see if you like
 it.  That's the safe way to determine if something would meet your
needs.

 I am in a very similar boat as the other poster -- using Samsung Q1U. I
started with the earlier version that had the hildon desktop and really
hated it (mainly because of the difficulty to switch between windows etc)
and moved to the mobile and I find it quite useful.

 I will test the live USB session but just to confirm, I should not
attempt to a distribution upgrade with my present installation.Is that
accurate?

    I believe a distribution upgrade should mostly work.  There's no
special hints in update-manager to support UMPC though, so you may find
the results a bit unpolished.  If you're comfortable working with a
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Jaunty Mobile

2009-04-28 Thread Jeff
I can not find Mobile in the Jaunty folder in  releases.ubuntu.com  . Did
it get moved? I only see NetBook Remix
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