Re: Mobile-media
On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 10:45:15AM -0700, Rusty Lynch wrote: > > On Mon, 2007-10-08 at 10:33 -0700, Spencer, Bob wrote: > > > >> 2) Adapt mobile-player to use directories in ~ rather than /usr/share > > >> for user information. Right now it wants to write files to > > >> /usr/share, which isn't going to work now that we're not running as > > >> root. Either > > >> it needs to be able to deal with the concept of merging multiple data > > >> sources (one read-only and another read-write) or we can just move > > >> everything into the user home directory. The downside of the simple > > >> approach is that it makes it harder to provide example data. I'm not > > >> much of a Python person, so I'm not so keen on implementing the more > > >> difficult side of things. If that can get worked out, it would be > > >> great. > > > > > > I meant to write a bug on this but never followed through. Perhaps > > > the right approach for providing some minimal sample media would be > > > to install the files in /usr/share, but then have the player copy > > > over the sample media when it runs for the first time as a given user > > > (i.e. when it constructs the media database in > > > ~/.something-or-another.) > > > > Sounds like a simple solution. So to recap: > > 1) moblin-media package will contain a few samples (recommend: 2 > > pics, 1 song (short), 1 video) > > 2) when run, moblin-media will check for ~/media/ folder (any > > reason to hide it with .media?) > > Not really. Just as long as the media database (i.e. both media files > and metadata) is in the user's home directory. If we're storing content in the user's home directory, we should follow the XDG directory standard (Documents, Pictures, Music, Videos, etc.). The xdg-user-dirs package contains the necessary magic. -- - mdz -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
RE: Mobile-media
On Mon, 2007-10-08 at 10:33 -0700, Spencer, Bob wrote: > >> 2) Adapt mobile-player to use directories in ~ rather than /usr/share > >> for user information. Right now it wants to write files to > >> /usr/share, which isn't going to work now that we're not running as > >> root. Either > >> it needs to be able to deal with the concept of merging multiple data > >> sources (one read-only and another read-write) or we can just move > >> everything into the user home directory. The downside of the simple > >> approach is that it makes it harder to provide example data. I'm not > >> much of a Python person, so I'm not so keen on implementing the more > >> difficult side of things. If that can get worked out, it would be > >> great. > > > > I meant to write a bug on this but never followed through. Perhaps > > the right approach for providing some minimal sample media would be > > to install the files in /usr/share, but then have the player copy > > over the sample media when it runs for the first time as a given user > > (i.e. when it constructs the media database in > > ~/.something-or-another.) > > Sounds like a simple solution. So to recap: > 1) moblin-media package will contain a few samples (recommend: 2 > pics, 1 song (short), 1 video) > 2) when run, moblin-media will check for ~/media/ folder (any > reason to hide it with .media?) Not really. Just as long as the media database (i.e. both media files and metadata) is in the user's home directory. > 2a) if no ~/media folder, then create ~/media/photo, > ~/media/video, ~/media/music and copy over sample content Eventually we will need more then just a directory of files, but a database of additional information (metadata) that we associate with the files (like play list, ratings, etc.) This copying task will also initialize the media database. > > Question: If we were to create a separate moblin-media-sample-content > package, where would it install its contents? I would think that /usr/share/moblin-media/sample-content/ would be a good location to install the content. > How would these get into > ~/media for the installing user given that installation is always done > as root? (noob question) The application (running as the given user) would copy over the content into it's own media database. This would only happen the first time the user ran the media application. But... didn't you cover this on 2a? Maybe I didn't get the question? --rusty -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Mobile-media
On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 10:33:08AM -0700, Spencer, Bob wrote: > Rusty Lynch wrote: > > I meant to write a bug on this but never followed through. Perhaps > > the right approach for providing some minimal sample media would be > > to install the files in /usr/share, but then have the player copy > > over the sample media when it runs for the first time as a given user > > (i.e. when it constructs the media database in > > ~/.something-or-another.) > > Sounds like a simple solution. So to recap: > 1) moblin-media package will contain a few samples (recommend: 2 > pics, 1 song (short), 1 video) > 2) when run, moblin-media will check for ~/media/ folder (any > reason to hide it with .media?) > 2a) if no ~/media folder, then create ~/media/photo, > ~/media/video, ~/media/music and copy over sample content > > Question: If we were to create a separate moblin-media-sample-content > package, where would it install its contents? How would these get into > ~/media for the installing user given that installation is always done > as root? (noob question) I think it would be wise to keep this in a separate package, even if they're small, so that it's possible to strip them out. example-content provides an example of how we do this for the desktop. They should be stored in /usr/share/whatever, and publishing in the user's home directory could be done by way of a symlink, as we do in the live CD. -- - mdz -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
RE: Mobile-media
Rusty Lynch wrote: > On Mon, 2007-10-08 at 07:07 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: >> I chatted to Bob about this briefly on Friday, but thought I'd mail >> the list to make sure that I don't end up doing anything unexpected. >> >> I've been looking into uploading gstreamer-dbus-media-service and >> mobile-player. I've got everything working and building happily, but >> there's a few changes I'd like to make: >> >> 1) Rename org.gnome.MobileMediaService to >> org.moblin.MobileMediaService >> - using Gnome's namespace for an interface that isn't part of Gnome >> doesn't sound like the best plan to me. > > I thought we did this already... yea, this needs to be fixed. Got it. ...and I believe moblin-media doesn't yet have MobileMediaService as an install dependency. > >> >> 2) Adapt mobile-player to use directories in ~ rather than /usr/share >> for user information. Right now it wants to write files to >> /usr/share, which isn't going to work now that we're not running as >> root. Either >> it needs to be able to deal with the concept of merging multiple data >> sources (one read-only and another read-write) or we can just move >> everything into the user home directory. The downside of the simple >> approach is that it makes it harder to provide example data. I'm not >> much of a Python person, so I'm not so keen on implementing the more >> difficult side of things. If that can get worked out, it would be >> great. > > I meant to write a bug on this but never followed through. Perhaps > the right approach for providing some minimal sample media would be > to install the files in /usr/share, but then have the player copy > over the sample media when it runs for the first time as a given user > (i.e. when it constructs the media database in > ~/.something-or-another.) Sounds like a simple solution. So to recap: 1) moblin-media package will contain a few samples (recommend: 2 pics, 1 song (short), 1 video) 2) when run, moblin-media will check for ~/media/ folder (any reason to hide it with .media?) 2a) if no ~/media folder, then create ~/media/photo, ~/media/video, ~/media/music and copy over sample content Question: If we were to create a separate moblin-media-sample-content package, where would it install its contents? How would these get into ~/media for the installing user given that installation is always done as root? (noob question) > >> >> 3) Possibly rename mobile-player to moblin-player or moblin-media? >> This would be more consistent with the naming of the other packages. > > I like moblin-media. Anyone else? > moblin-media Already in the works. >> >> Other than that, I don't see any showstoppers. As long as there's >> agreement on these, I'll get it into gutsy this week. -- >> Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Mobile-media
On Mon, 2007-10-08 at 07:07 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > I chatted to Bob about this briefly on Friday, but thought I'd mail the > list to make sure that I don't end up doing anything unexpected. > > I've been looking into uploading gstreamer-dbus-media-service and > mobile-player. I've got everything working and building happily, but > there's a few changes I'd like to make: > > 1) Rename org.gnome.MobileMediaService to org.moblin.MobileMediaService > - using Gnome's namespace for an interface that isn't part of Gnome > doesn't sound like the best plan to me. I thought we did this already... yea, this needs to be fixed. > > 2) Adapt mobile-player to use directories in ~ rather than /usr/share > for user information. Right now it wants to write files to /usr/share, > which isn't going to work now that we're not running as root. Either it > needs to be able to deal with the concept of merging multiple data > sources (one read-only and another read-write) or we can just move > everything into the user home directory. The downside of the simple > approach is that it makes it harder to provide example data. I'm not > much of a Python person, so I'm not so keen on implementing the more > difficult side of things. If that can get worked out, it would be great. I meant to write a bug on this but never followed through. Perhaps the right approach for providing some minimal sample media would be to install the files in /usr/share, but then have the player copy over the sample media when it runs for the first time as a given user (i.e. when it constructs the media database in ~/.something-or-another.) > > 3) Possibly rename mobile-player to moblin-player or moblin-media? This > would be more consistent with the naming of the other packages. I like moblin-media. Anyone else? > > Other than that, I don't see any showstoppers. As long as there's > agreement on these, I'll get it into gutsy this week. > -- > Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
