Re: Supporting Ubuntu Mobile
It certainly looks like Win7 would take back the Netbook market from Linux with W7 at this stage. Having tested it at the weekend, its clear that the 1.6Ghz processor, 1GB mem and a reasonably fast disk will be fine and offers a far more comfortable, productive and enjoyable environment than any Linux distro i've seen. I don't see any Linux distribution increasing their share in the netbook market with WM7 around UNLESS, 1) Microsoft charge full rates for W7 licenses AND 2) Win XP for ULCPCs goes away. In this case, Linux could give OEMs the chance to save some up-front licensing costs. It leaves the MID market where 4GB flash, 800Mhz processors aren't good enough for Win7 and MS doesn't have an X86 product to offer (assuming XP goes away and WM7 does not support X86 architechture.) Steve On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Tal Beno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I could not resist sending this to you all ... http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103sid=a3VyE_ofSwwErefer=news Its amazing to hear that MS is actually suffering on the OS business - and just because of the fact that 30% of the Netbooks are sold with Linux. It just emphasize what I have been trying to say here - which is that on the desktop level Windows is too dominant to defeat at this point. But you have a unique opportunity until next December when Windows7 is supposed to be released to eat more and more market share in the Netbook domain. I may be hallucinating but Canonical and the community here need to concentrate all of the efforts around a real winning opportunity, which in my opinion is probably the Mobile edition. Instead of spreading the resources thin. I am not sure how soon an opportunity such as this will come our way to make a difference. Best, Tal On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:30 PM, Tal Beno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for rumbling more about it ... As stated software strategy is an elusive trade. Putting aside enterprise software and focusing on the consumer market, we are facing a unique opportunity here. Microsoft is making a dual strategic mistake in my humble opinion when not pushing XP as the mobile (netbook/umpc/mid) OS. It has corrected itself by not eliminating it and reversing the process. But they are also heavily invested in Windows mobile and as a big corporation it is almost impossible for them to maneuver to the right direction. The mobile OS should no longer be considered as a different entity but a derivative of the desktop OS, with agility and resolution adaptation. The Ubuntu mobile project seems to have all of that. Actually if I were to speculate as stated in my original reply, I would say that Canonical has much more chances with the mobile edition than with the desktop one, concerning market share and the possibility to finally put a Linux flavor as a truly wide distribution for the consumer market. But my personal opinion is probably different from most open source fans. I don't see any open source project becoming the next big thing without big corporations standing behind it. And I may be stating a strange opinion here, but open source and big corporations should go together. I can see various software companies which could adopt the Ubuntu mobile project for various reasons. Without spending big money on this effort the community will just get frustrated. That said if played right the wonderful community around Ubuntu could definitely make the difference and elevate it to the right places. To summarize, I can't help thinking that ATM this project is still not on the road for glory. I don't see Canonical aiming high enough nor have the vision or the killer instinct they could show. I would personally take Steve's advice if I were them concerning the forums the advertisement and the OEMs. I would also suggest putting this agenda as the number one priority for the company and revamping the Ubuntu front page with mobile reference. Best, Tal Beno On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Steve Paine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think TAL has a good point that there's an opportunity here that could take root if given more support from the back-end. Over the last week we've all seen the active response from users too which is an even better indication that this distro could be worth focusing on by both the community and Canonical. Its great to hear that Canonical are putting weight behind it then. Thanks for the feedback from Emmet. As a further encouragement to Canonical and the community I want to say that I am personally getting queries from OEMs and manufacturers about what I think of Linux on netbooks and UMPCs. They are worried about the user experience and (possibly unfounded) reports of higher return rates for Linux-based netbooks. OEMs want a solution and they want a well-recognised solution but if there's a risk of it damaging their brand, they wont take it. It's here that I see Canonical playing the main role. You are obviously
Re: Supporting Ubuntu Mobile
I could not resist sending this to you all ... http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103sid=a3VyE_ofSwwErefer=news Its amazing to hear that MS is actually suffering on the OS business - and just because of the fact that 30% of the Netbooks are sold with Linux. It just emphasize what I have been trying to say here - which is that on the desktop level Windows is too dominant to defeat at this point. But you have a unique opportunity until next December when Windows7 is supposed to be released to eat more and more market share in the Netbook domain. I may be hallucinating but Canonical and the community here need to concentrate all of the efforts around a real winning opportunity, which in my opinion is probably the Mobile edition. Instead of spreading the resources thin. I am not sure how soon an opportunity such as this will come our way to make a difference. Best, Tal On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:30 PM, Tal Beno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for rumbling more about it ... As stated software strategy is an elusive trade. Putting aside enterprise software and focusing on the consumer market, we are facing a unique opportunity here. Microsoft is making a dual strategic mistake in my humble opinion when not pushing XP as the mobile (netbook/umpc/mid) OS. It has corrected itself by not eliminating it and reversing the process. But they are also heavily invested in Windows mobile and as a big corporation it is almost impossible for them to maneuver to the right direction. The mobile OS should no longer be considered as a different entity but a derivative of the desktop OS, with agility and resolution adaptation. The Ubuntu mobile project seems to have all of that. Actually if I were to speculate as stated in my original reply, I would say that Canonical has much more chances with the mobile edition than with the desktop one, concerning market share and the possibility to finally put a Linux flavor as a truly wide distribution for the consumer market. But my personal opinion is probably different from most open source fans. I don't see any open source project becoming the next big thing without big corporations standing behind it. And I may be stating a strange opinion here, but open source and big corporations should go together. I can see various software companies which could adopt the Ubuntu mobile project for various reasons. Without spending big money on this effort the community will just get frustrated. That said if played right the wonderful community around Ubuntu could definitely make the difference and elevate it to the right places. To summarize, I can't help thinking that ATM this project is still not on the road for glory. I don't see Canonical aiming high enough nor have the vision or the killer instinct they could show. I would personally take Steve's advice if I were them concerning the forums the advertisement and the OEMs. I would also suggest putting this agenda as the number one priority for the company and revamping the Ubuntu front page with mobile reference. Best, Tal Beno On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Steve Paine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think TAL has a good point that there's an opportunity here that could take root if given more support from the back-end. Over the last week we've all seen the active response from users too which is an even better indication that this distro could be worth focusing on by both the community and Canonical. Its great to hear that Canonical are putting weight behind it then. Thanks for the feedback from Emmet. As a further encouragement to Canonical and the community I want to say that I am personally getting queries from OEMs and manufacturers about what I think of Linux on netbooks and UMPCs. They are worried about the user experience and (possibly unfounded) reports of higher return rates for Linux-based netbooks. OEMs want a solution and they want a well-recognised solution but if there's a risk of it damaging their brand, they wont take it. It's here that I see Canonical playing the main role. You are obviously talkingn to OEMs directly in the b/g but how about tempting other OEMs and developers via high quality branded blogs and not via IRC (Please, IRC is great but users, OEMs, ISVs, resellers jsut dont have the time to participate. ) or mailing lists. Canonical also need to do marketing. Now. Not when Ubuntu Mobile is launched. Its almost funny that this distro was announced on a personal blog until you realise what potential we're talking about here. Ubuntu Mobile seems to be taking root. ISVs and community members need reasons to join now. Canonical need to provide the feedback that gives them confidence that this project will go forward with aggression, good end-user focus and with long-term goals to become the de-facto choice on netbooks and medium sized touchscreen devices. I have a to-do to write another Ubuntu Mobile article soon bul will probably fire a
Re: Supporting Ubuntu Mobile
I think TAL has a good point that there's an opportunity here that could take root if given more support from the back-end. Over the last week we've all seen the active response from users too which is an even better indication that this distro could be worth focusing on by both the community and Canonical. Its great to hear that Canonical are putting weight behind it then. Thanks for the feedback from Emmet. As a further encouragement to Canonical and the community I want to say that I am personally getting queries from OEMs and manufacturers about what I think of Linux on netbooks and UMPCs. They are worried about the user experience and (possibly unfounded) reports of higher return rates for Linux-based netbooks. OEMs want a solution and they want a well-recognised solution but if there's a risk of it damaging their brand, they wont take it. It's here that I see Canonical playing the main role. You are obviously talkingn to OEMs directly in the b/g but how about tempting other OEMs and developers via high quality branded blogs and not via IRC (Please, IRC is great but users, OEMs, ISVs, resellers jsut dont have the time to participate. ) or mailing lists. Canonical also need to do marketing. Now. Not when Ubuntu Mobile is launched. Its almost funny that this distro was announced on a personal blog until you realise what potential we're talking about here. Ubuntu Mobile seems to be taking root. ISVs and community members need reasons to join now. Canonical need to provide the feedback that gives them confidence that this project will go forward with aggression, good end-user focus and with long-term goals to become the de-facto choice on netbooks and medium sized touchscreen devices. I have a to-do to write another Ubuntu Mobile article soon bul will probably fire a few questions to Canonical PR before I do that. I'll try and tie it in with the first release at end of October with a new video. I'll also be campaigning for Poulsbo/SCH/GMA500 support for the next release as I know some OEMs that are looking for a solution here. (Some faith in Ubuntu-MID appears to have been lost through the delays with the Gigabyte M528/Compal JAX10 device.) Good luck to all for Intrepid release. Steve On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 7:25 PM, Emmet Hikory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tal Beno wrote: I wish to comment please on Steve's original mail as well as on the overall reply that Steve got from Mr. Emmet Hikory. Although I've been replying to a number of these mails, it's not that I'm someone particularly special when it comes to Ubuntu Mobile: I'm just a user who was unsatisfied with both Ubuntu MID and Ubuntu Desktop on my Kohjinsha SR. Oliver credits me with some help with the installer, but that truly belongs to the many contributors to the installer technologies used, some originating in Ubuntu, and some in Debian. I may be an Ubuntu Developer, but that's just because I've been an Ubuntu user and contributor for long enough that someone granted me upload rights (I have not checked to see if any of my patches are in Ubuntu Mobile). Nothing I'm saying represents anything other than my opinion, and shouldn't be taken as a statement of policy of any sort. But as many analysts are claiming the Linux landscape is way too fractured in general and on the mobile front, so to make this one stand out of the crowd and give MS a real fight (as with the desktop edition) Canonical can't throw it on the community as a prime resource, at least not at this stage. I beg to argue that this is all a big waste of time if you don't intend realizing the huge potential you have in your hands, and invest much more resources on its success. The community will follow only when seeing your own initial commitment ... I take great issue with this assertion. Ubuntu is developed by a large and diverse community, and that Ubuntu Mobile is developed entirely within and as part of Ubuntu is surely a good means by which to ensure that the work done includes the work of the largest number of interested parties. While is it certainly true that Canonical offers significant support to Ubuntu, including almost all of the infrastructure and funding for a number of the developers (I believe it to be over 10%, including more than a third of the most active developers, although I could be mistaken), for which much appreciation is deserved, it is not the case that Ubuntu Mobile is something which Canonical is throwing on the community, nor is it the case that Ubuntu Mobile being community created and community supported necessarily means that nobody associated with Canonical will be involved in that community. While Oliver has created the initial preview image for Ubuntu Mobile, the idea originates from the UDS held in Prague, has been discussed in the #ubuntu-mobile channel in freenode for some time, and relies heavily on the work of the entire Ubuntu community in order to function as
Re: Supporting Ubuntu Mobile
On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 14:11, Steve Paine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Some faith in Ubuntu-MID appears to have been lost through the delays with the Gigabyte M528/Compal JAX10 device.) Good luck to all for Intrepid release. Steve It is also not helping that this device requires some proprietary drivers that seems to rule Ubuntu and other open operating systems out (both Hardy and Intrepid) :-( I'd love to see this fixed! -- Tero -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Supporting Ubuntu Mobile
hi, On Fr, 2008-09-26 at 15:37 +0200, Steve Paine wrote: I was proposing that I send an SC3 to Oliver (mainly as I know him and he's not far from me in Germany) to help out with the SCH/Poulsbo testing, not buying up the contents of Dynamism and shipping it to him ;-) i'd love to get one, but please be aware that i moved to kassel 2 years ago so its not like driving 50km and dropping it off at my door anymore (unless you like to drive 300km more indeed :) ) How many people on the Ubuntu Mobile (distro) team right now though? I get the impression that its, er, not many more than Oliver? even though i built the first image on my own and am mainly responsible for it, it is still a team effort. i wouldnt be anywhere if emmet wouldnt care for the installer bits, without steven's work on the build system (who additionally has a similar position as i do in -mobile wrt ubuntu-mid), loic as our special force and team lead who puts out the worst fires or david who does an awesome job as manager to keep all our backs free (not to talk about the distro and desktop teams from where i get the apps and who are listening to my change requests ... or even the launchpad team that makes sure our infrastructure is always reliable). in ubuntu we usually have one responsible person for a project but most stuff builds on work of other team members so even though i'm the responsible guy i'm not the owner of ubuntu-mobile ... its only a skeleton without a community fleshing it out, without users who give feedback, file bugs and help with QA ... so in the end its up to you guys to make it fly :) i will listen to your requests and complaints and act accordingly since its not my image but yours ;) team size isnt defined by headcount inside a company in the opensource world but by the amount of feedback and participation you get from the community and its great to see that so many people like it and that i got so much response already ... please keep in mind that things like poulsbo and other hardware support are often dependant on the manufacturer and driver developer, i will happily test and push for fixes upstream (and indeed send patches where i can) but nobody in our team can guarantee that it will be fixed in time for 8.10 (especially Xorg was just undergoing a massive transition which makes many drivers fall behind, i.e. see my work on the evtouch touchscreen driver where i'll be happy to have at least the mainstream stuff supported in 8.04), it might take until 9.04 ... (though having the HW around surely helps speeding it up) ciao oli signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
RE: Supporting Ubuntu Mobile
I wish to comment please on Steve's original mail as well as on the overall reply that Steve got from Mr. Emmet Hikory. I understand the enthusiasm that Steve is showing towards this flavor. Heck I share the same feeling, and when first hearing about this second flavor I couldn't resist thinking this was a slam dunk. I find the Ubuntu mobile project as having the right strategic potential, and Oliver's goals to be the right ones (not having to reinvent the wheel and relying on a solid distro). But as many analysts are claiming the Linux landscape is way too fractured in general and on the mobile front, so to make this one stand out of the crowd and give MS a real fight (as with the desktop edition) Canonical can't throw it on the community as a prime resource, at least not at this stage. I beg to argue that this is all a big waste of time if you don't intend realizing the huge potential you have in your hands, and invest much more resources on its success. The community will follow only when seeing your own initial commitment ... As usual with technology strategy, timing is everything, and I fear that not acting immediately will significantly reduce your chances. on the other hand if you do manage to capture the community's attention at this point, the sky is the limit. Trying not to sound too dreamy, in my humble opinion you might potentially actually do much better with the mobile edition than the desktop one (looking at your current numbers). Best, Tal * * -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Supporting Ubuntu Mobile
Tal Beno wrote: I wish to comment please on Steve's original mail as well as on the overall reply that Steve got from Mr. Emmet Hikory. Although I've been replying to a number of these mails, it's not that I'm someone particularly special when it comes to Ubuntu Mobile: I'm just a user who was unsatisfied with both Ubuntu MID and Ubuntu Desktop on my Kohjinsha SR. Oliver credits me with some help with the installer, but that truly belongs to the many contributors to the installer technologies used, some originating in Ubuntu, and some in Debian. I may be an Ubuntu Developer, but that's just because I've been an Ubuntu user and contributor for long enough that someone granted me upload rights (I have not checked to see if any of my patches are in Ubuntu Mobile). Nothing I'm saying represents anything other than my opinion, and shouldn't be taken as a statement of policy of any sort. But as many analysts are claiming the Linux landscape is way too fractured in general and on the mobile front, so to make this one stand out of the crowd and give MS a real fight (as with the desktop edition) Canonical can't throw it on the community as a prime resource, at least not at this stage. I beg to argue that this is all a big waste of time if you don't intend realizing the huge potential you have in your hands, and invest much more resources on its success. The community will follow only when seeing your own initial commitment ... I take great issue with this assertion. Ubuntu is developed by a large and diverse community, and that Ubuntu Mobile is developed entirely within and as part of Ubuntu is surely a good means by which to ensure that the work done includes the work of the largest number of interested parties. While is it certainly true that Canonical offers significant support to Ubuntu, including almost all of the infrastructure and funding for a number of the developers (I believe it to be over 10%, including more than a third of the most active developers, although I could be mistaken), for which much appreciation is deserved, it is not the case that Ubuntu Mobile is something which Canonical is throwing on the community, nor is it the case that Ubuntu Mobile being community created and community supported necessarily means that nobody associated with Canonical will be involved in that community. While Oliver has created the initial preview image for Ubuntu Mobile, the idea originates from the UDS held in Prague, has been discussed in the #ubuntu-mobile channel in freenode for some time, and relies heavily on the work of the entire Ubuntu community in order to function as well as it does. The Ubuntu Mobile community is expected to support this new flavour (as is true for the community surrounding any Ubuntu flavour), and that community consists of interested people from many sources, including Canonical. If there are no interested individuals, then there is no community, and there is no point in having such a flavour of Ubuntu. I know I'm interested, and judging from the mail here, the comments to Oliver's blog entry, and the comments to Steve's article, I'm fairly certain I'm not alone. There's no reason we can't make Ubuntu Mobile great, but it's not right to frame this as a competition between corporate entities, or to try to fit some analyst's model: the key idea is to make something that we want to use, and to seek out any resources we need to make it as good as it can be. -- Emmet HIKORY -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Supporting Ubuntu Mobile
Steve Paine wrote: I've been impressed with what Oliver has done with Ubuntu Mobile in such a short time and I see an opportunity. We, the mobile community, finally have a project that we can get behind with confidence. Ubuntu-MID is great but there's a feeling that Intel, Canonical and others are tied up with OEMs and that the project is not so accessible. Not least becuase there isn't a single instance of it in the wild yet! As much as I am a huge fan of Ubuntu Mobile, and expect it to be the default environment for my 7 laptop, I would like to note that there *are* a few devices on which Ubuntu MID works now, so I'm not sure that it can't be said to be in the wild (although only a few people install it). I've been running it on the Kohjinsha SR series (for which Mobile is a better choice), and on the Sharp D4. I know some users have been using it on the Aigo MID. While there's not a lot of hardware out there, it should be usable on an increasing set of hardware over time (as more is produced in the appropriate form factor with supported processors). My proposal is that UMPCPortal officially supports the Ubuntu Mobile project and tries to rally dev support for it. My feeling is that the project could really benefit from more dev and community support, and that we are in a position to help seed that. This project could capture a big chunk of netbook, umpc and mid owner support. Despite the above,it would be wonderful to have more people involved. Most of the discussions happen on #ubuntu-mobile in freenode and on this list. More users, testers, and developers are *always* welcome. My question is, can we do this in some semi-formal way? I want to post an article (today if possble), place a promotional ad button and donate some equipment to Oliver. Can someone from Canonical informally 'approve' and 'recieve' our support such that the community sees that it's a two-way link? I can't speak on behalf of Canonical, but speaking from my experience in Ubuntu, it's generally better to get more people who each have their own hardware involved than to send lots of hardware to some specific person. More developers with more hardware would help get Ubuntu Mobile from being something that a couple people fiddle with to something rich, robust, and widely supported. While Oliver would likely enjoy being drowned in hardware, it's unlikely that such a model would result in the significant ongoing testing that is required to ensure that the releases meet the desired level of polish. Also, I think that rather than creating a link between a UMPC Portal Ubuntu Mobile Community and a Canonical Ubuntu Mobile Developer, it may be more sensible to join both as part of an Ubuntu Mobile Community using Ubuntu resources (forums, wiki), this mailing list, and the IRC channel, to discuss items of interest. Such a group may also pull other interested parties, from other sources, where all can collaborate towards a common goal. One note - I also want to promote Ubuntu Mobile as a potential distro for the larger Poulsbo-based UMPCs and possibly MIDs. I know Ubuntu-MID is there for that but I see Ubuntu-MID more of a 'developer' or 'OEM' edition and as such, it doesnt connect with the community as well. This is the key element and advantage I see with Ubuntu Mobile. Well, no, Ubuntu MID specifically isn't there for that. Ubuntu MID is very much not ideal for use on the larger devices (speaking as someone who used Ubuntu MID on a 7 laptop as a primary computing platform all through Intrepid UDS). These larger devices are definitely a target for Ubuntu Mobile, and if sufficiently large, may even be better with Desktop than either MID or Mobile. I think part of the problem with Ubuntu MID is that it's generally been very hardware specific and uses special tools to construct test environments. During the intrepid cycle, significant work has been done to reduce the specialness of Ubuntu MID. While there's still some packages that only work properly on the lpia architecture, the majority is not architecture-specific. There are regular daily live images available (1), based on a mix of GNOME, Xfce, Hildon, and Moblin, as well as the standard Ubuntu base components. While I think it's only the right choice for those with very small screens, I'd not like to see it cast aside just because of the history of the project (and don't think Ubuntu Mobile is the right choice for a 5 screen: I've tried it: it's too small). 1: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mid/intrepid/current/ -- Emmet HIKORY -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Supporting Ubuntu Mobile
Hi Emmet. Thanks for your response. My responses inline. Steve. My question is, can we do this in some semi-formal way? I want to post an article (today if possble), place a promotional ad button and donate some equipment to Oliver. Can someone from Canonical informally 'approve' and 'recieve' our support such that the community sees that it's a two-way link? I can't speak on behalf of Canonical, but speaking from my experience in Ubuntu, it's generally better to get more people who each have their own hardware involved than to send lots of hardware to some specific person. More developers with more hardware would help get Ubuntu Mobile from being something that a couple people fiddle with to something rich, robust, and widely supported. While Oliver would likely enjoy being drowned in hardware, it's unlikely that such a model would result in the significant ongoing testing that is required to ensure that the releases meet the desired level of polish. I was proposing that I send an SC3 to Oliver (mainly as I know him and he's not far from me in Germany) to help out with the SCH/Poulsbo testing, not buying up the contents of Dynamism and shipping it to him ;-) I doubt you'll find many devs with poulsbo/touch hardware out there to be honest either so unless Canonical are sending engineers devices, where do they start? How many people on the Ubuntu Mobile (distro) team right now though? I get the impression that its, er, not many more than Oliver? Also, I think that rather than creating a link between a UMPC Portal Ubuntu Mobile Community and a Canonical Ubuntu Mobile Developer, it may be more sensible to join both as part of an Ubuntu Mobile Community using Ubuntu resources (forums, wiki), this mailing list, and the IRC channel, to discuss items of interest. Such a group may also pull other interested parties, from other sources, where all can collaborate towards a common goal. No problem. you tell me where people should gather. I'll try and promote that meeting point. Dont say IRC or mailing lists though. Open, easy to use forums is probaly the best way to achieve the critical seeding process. One note - I also want to promote Ubuntu Mobile as a potential distro for the larger Poulsbo-based UMPCs and possibly MIDs. I know Ubuntu-MID is there for that but I see Ubuntu-MID more of a 'developer' or 'OEM' edition and as such, it doesnt connect with the community as well. This is the key element and advantage I see with Ubuntu Mobile. Well, no, Ubuntu MID specifically isn't there for that. Ubuntu MID is very much not ideal for use on the larger devices (speaking as someone who used Ubuntu MID on a 7 laptop as a primary computing platform all through Intrepid UDS). These larger devices are definitely a target for Ubuntu Mobile, and if sufficiently large, may even be better with Desktop than either MID or Mobile. Dont forget, touch-interfaces are important here with the mid-range devices. With either large or small screen, the finger doesnt change its size so moving to desktop just because a device has a large screen is a mistake. I see Ubuntu Mobile targeted at the nobile devices. Sub 1KG, often without keyboards. -- OK. I'm happy to promote Ubuntu-Mobile for UMPC-sized Poulsbo devices and very happy to see it happen. Send me details of the ubuntu forum that people should plug into, details of the team and its project wiki/plan and I'll create a news item to say that we're behind Ubuntu Mobile as our #1 hope for UMPCs. Some promo work has to be done somewhere along the lines, I hope this little bit will help to seed enough support and action to get things moving quickly. Netbooks, MIDs and UMPCs are the biggest chance that Linux has ever had to get into the hands of millions but in my opinion, you havent got long before others come in on the scene. Steve -- Steve 'Chippy' Paine Promoting mobile computing devices to over 220,000 people per month through UMPCPortal.com -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Supporting Ubuntu Mobile
Ryan Gallagher wrote: Ok it downloads and unpacks fine, then it gets into trouble (see below). Any ideas? [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/# dpkg -i linux-image*deb ... Examining /etc/kernel/postinst.d. run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postinst.d/nvidia-common pcilib: Cannot open /proc/bus/pci That happened for me too. Ignore it. Reboot. I think it's because the chroot environment isn't set up with everything the kernel expects when being installed, but I'm not entirely sure. -- Emmet HIKORY -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
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I tried rebooting and once again am back to the error 15. :( Tried it twice now and no joy. Any other ideas I can try out? Thanks, Ryan. -Original Message- From: Emmet Hikory [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ubuntu Mobile ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: Supporting Ubuntu Mobile Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 23:41:32 +0900 Ryan Gallagher wrote: Ok it downloads and unpacks fine, then it gets into trouble (see below). Any ideas? [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/# dpkg -i linux-image*deb ... Examining /etc/kernel/postinst.d. run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postinst.d/nvidia-common pcilib: Cannot open /proc/bus/pci That happened for me too. Ignore it. Reboot. I think it's because the chroot environment isn't set up with everything the kernel expects when being installed, but I'm not entirely sure. -- Emmet HIKORY -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Supporting Ubuntu Mobile
Ryan, did you install the kernel image before or after installing Ubuntu Mobile in your device? Regards, Javi 2008/9/26 Ryan Gallagher [EMAIL PROTECTED] I tried rebooting and once again am back to the error 15. :( Tried it twice now and no joy. Any other ideas I can try out? Thanks, Ryan. -Original Message- *From*: Emmet Hikory [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] *To*: Ubuntu Mobile ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Subject*: Re: Supporting Ubuntu Mobile *Date*: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 23:41:32 +0900 Ryan Gallagher wrote: Ok it downloads and unpacks fine, then it gets into trouble (see below). Any ideas? [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/# dpkg -i linux-image*deb ... Examining /etc/kernel/postinst.d. run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postinst.d/nvidia-common pcilib: Cannot open /proc/bus/pci That happened for me too. Ignore it. Reboot. I think it's because the chroot environment isn't set up with everything the kernel expects when being installed, but I'm not entirely sure. -- Emmet HIKORY -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Supporting Ubuntu Mobile
After, should I try before? I assumed that would overwrite it. -Original Message- From: Javier Gálvez Guerrero [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ryan Gallagher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Emmet Hikory [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ubuntu Mobile ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: Supporting Ubuntu Mobile Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 17:48:31 +0200 Ryan, did you install the kernel image before or after installing Ubuntu Mobile in your device? Regards, Javi 2008/9/26 Ryan Gallagher [EMAIL PROTECTED] I tried rebooting and once again am back to the error 15. :( Tried it twice now and no joy. Any other ideas I can try out? Thanks, Ryan. -Original Message- From: Emmet Hikory [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ubuntu Mobile ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: Supporting Ubuntu Mobile Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 23:41:32 +0900 Ryan Gallagher wrote: Ok it downloads and unpacks fine, then it gets into trouble (see below). Any ideas? [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/# dpkg -i linux-image*deb ... Examining /etc/kernel/postinst.d. run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postinst.d/nvidia-common pcilib: Cannot open /proc/bus/pci That happened for me too. Ignore it. Reboot. I think it's because the chroot environment isn't set up with everything the kernel expects when being installed, but I'm not entirely sure. -- Emmet HIKORY -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Supporting Ubuntu Mobile
Hi, The wiki needs work. I'll see if I can spend some time on it, but if anyone else wants to flesh out more on wiki.ubuntu.com, that would be great. I am currently working on a page called something like 'Application Selection' which i will probably end up putting as a link of help.ubuntu.com/community/ rather than the main site The idea is to try to 'segment' the potential ubuntu mobile market into certain categories and document appropriate applications /customizations /tweaks/test plans for each area. After an IRC chat a while back the following were mentioned: Business Application Users Multimedia Users Gen Y/Social Networkers Gamers Adventure Users Public Transportation Users This is obviously not an exact science and I am not experienced in marketing at all but I would certainly find such a resource useful when pitching to OEM's for customization work and so on More ideas/areas are obviously welcome Ian -- http://ianlawrence.info -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
