Re: debdiff question

2007-07-15 Thread Andy Price
On 16/07/07 06:41, Charlie wrote:
> Ok I'm stupid, learning how to use debdiff, how do I get debdiff to send
> it's output to a file?

$ debdiff foo bar > baz.debdiff

Further reading: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Recipes/Debdiff

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Re: debdiff question

2007-07-15 Thread Luke Yelavich
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On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 03:41:49PM EST, Charlie wrote:
> Ok I'm stupid, learning how to use debdiff, how do I get debdiff to send
> it's output to a file?

debdiff package1.dsc package2.dsc > filename.diff
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debdiff question

2007-07-15 Thread Charlie
Ok I'm stupid, learning how to use debdiff, how do I get debdiff to send
it's output to a file?

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REVU: xfce4-timer-plugin 0.5.1-0ubuntu1_source.changes is NEW

2007-07-15 Thread Luke Yelavich
Format: 1.7
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 09:46:34 +0200
Source: xfce4-timer-plugin
Binary: xfce4-timer-plugin
Architecture: source
Version: 0.5.1-0ubuntu1
Distribution: gutsy
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers 
Changed-By: Vincent Legout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Description: 
 xfce4-timer-plugin - timer plugin for Xfce panel
Launchpad-Bugs-Fixed: 123141
Changes: 
 xfce4-timer-plugin (0.5.1-0ubuntu1) gutsy; urgency=low
 .
   * Initial release (LP: #123141)
   * Original tarball repacked to remove .svn dirs and aclocal.m4
Files: 
 f2745ec58bc039eebee1e70bd9717960 740 x11 optional 
xfce4-timer-plugin_0.5.1-0ubuntu1.dsc
 dc0877756a0e1cf45e18156112c50e0a 312969 x11 optional 
xfce4-timer-plugin_0.5.1.orig.tar.gz
 556140eac0800d8965e8030e5e1abd33 1393 x11 optional 
xfce4-timer-plugin_0.5.1-0ubuntu1.diff.gz
Original-Maintainer: Vincent Legout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Re: PrBoom Locks up X

2007-07-15 Thread Zombie Ryushu
I know how to Resolve the PrBoom Lockup issue. Install Timidity++ and
start it as a Virtual Midi service

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Re: Web view of debian/changelog

2007-07-15 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Sunday 15 July 2007 20:11, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 01:30:27 +0200 Soren Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 09:27:02AM +1000, Christopher James Halse Rogers
>
> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 2007-07-15 at 19:11 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> >> > Is there an Ubuntu equivalent of packages.debian.org's web display of
> each package's debian/changelog, e.g.:
> >>
> >> Yes; for python-dns the url is:
> >> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/python-dns/+changelog
> >
> >That only seems to include the changelog entry since the package got
> >imported into Ubuntu. Thanks for pointing it out, though. I didn't
> >realise Launchpad had that. :)
>
> It also mangles the who in the last (top) entry.  It leads me to believe
> that this is a concatenated view of the changes files and not actually the
> changelog.

In fact, I think that's what it is.  The launchpad view lists the changelog 
entry in .changes for the releases currently in the repository (and not the 
interim releases.  Moreover, calling it a changelog is very misleading since 
that's not what it is.

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Re: Web view of debian/changelog

2007-07-15 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 01:30:27 +0200 Soren Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 09:27:02AM +1000, Christopher James Halse Rogers 
wrote:
>> On Sun, 2007-07-15 at 19:11 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
>> > Is there an Ubuntu equivalent of packages.debian.org's web display of 
each 
>> > package's debian/changelog, e.g.:
>> > 
>> Yes; for python-dns the url is:
>> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/python-dns/+changelog
>
>That only seems to include the changelog entry since the package got
>imported into Ubuntu. Thanks for pointing it out, though. I didn't
>realise Launchpad had that. :)
>
It also mangles the who in the last (top) entry.  It leads me to believe 
that this is a concatenated view of the changes files and not actually the 
changelog.

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Re: Web view of debian/changelog

2007-07-15 Thread Soren Hansen
On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 09:27:02AM +1000, Christopher James Halse Rogers wrote:
> On Sun, 2007-07-15 at 19:11 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> > Is there an Ubuntu equivalent of packages.debian.org's web display of each 
> > package's debian/changelog, e.g.:
> > 
> Yes; for python-dns the url is:
> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/python-dns/+changelog

That only seems to include the changelog entry since the package got
imported into Ubuntu. Thanks for pointing it out, though. I didn't
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Re: Web view of debian/changelog

2007-07-15 Thread Christopher James Halse Rogers
On Sun, 2007-07-15 at 19:11 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> Is there an Ubuntu equivalent of packages.debian.org's web display of each 
> package's debian/changelog, e.g.:
> 
Yes; for python-dns the url is:
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/python-dns/+changelog

In general, LP->source package->overview tab->gutsy->view changelog (in
lefthand sidebar).

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Re: Web view of debian/changelog

2007-07-15 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Sunday 15 July 2007 19:16, Soren Hansen wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 15, 2007 at 07:11:39PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> > Is there an Ubuntu equivalent of packages.debian.org's web display of
> > each package's debian/changelog, e.g.:
> >
> > http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/p/python-dns/current/chan
> >gelog
>
> Sure. We have:
> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/p/python-dns/python-d
>ns_2.3.1-1/changelog
>
> It's linked from http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/python/python-dns

Thanks.  I hadn't noticed that (I almost always look packages up on Launchpad, 
I guess that's what I get).

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Re: Web view of debian/changelog

2007-07-15 Thread Soren Hansen
On Sun, Jul 15, 2007 at 07:11:39PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> Is there an Ubuntu equivalent of packages.debian.org's web display of each 
> package's debian/changelog, e.g.:
> 
> http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/p/python-dns/current/changelog

Sure. We have:
http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/p/python-dns/python-dns_2.3.1-1/changelog

It's linked from http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/python/python-dns

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Web view of debian/changelog

2007-07-15 Thread Scott Kitterman
Is there an Ubuntu equivalent of packages.debian.org's web display of each 
package's debian/changelog, e.g.:

http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/p/python-dns/current/changelog

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Re: Merges - Pinging Previous Uploaders

2007-07-15 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Sunday 15 July 2007 18:21, Michael Bienia wrote:
> On 2007-07-15 17:45:37 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> > On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 13:20:16 +0200 Michael Bienia
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > wrote:
> > >I don't know what the best solution for this but it should work for both
> > >main and universe packages easily.
> >
> > Personally all these option seem FAR more complex than just asking the
> > person that dealt with it last.
>
> The last uploader has not to be the last merger.
> Person A does a merge, person B does an upload (say for a rebuild or an
> easy fix) -> MoM lists B as last upload. But asking person A about the
> new merge can be more helpful than asking person B.
>
> I've the impression that MoM works for main better than for universe.
> Main has small teams caring for specific packages sets (like Gnome)
> where the same team or person does the merges.
> MOTU is a larger team and doesn't have this "ordering" like main.
> Relying on the "Last Uploader" field on MoM doesn't work for us. We need an
> other mechanism to coordinate our efforts.
>
> An aggressive suggestion would be to drop the "Last uploader" field for
> universe package from MoM if it doesn't work out for us and "lock"
> merges with "In progress" bugs (or through some other means).
>
All of which is still way more complex than asking.

Part of the beauty of asking is that one can look in debian/changelog and it's 
pretty easy to understand who to ask without a lot of rules or adding weight 
to the process.

The more time people spend on process overhead, then less work actually gets 
done.

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Re: Merges - Pinging Previous Uploaders

2007-07-15 Thread Michael Bienia
On 2007-07-15 17:45:37 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 13:20:16 +0200 Michael Bienia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> >I don't know what the best solution for this but it should work for both
> >main and universe packages easily.
> 
> Personally all these option seem FAR more complex than just asking the 
> person that dealt with it last.

The last uploader has not to be the last merger.
Person A does a merge, person B does an upload (say for a rebuild or an
easy fix) -> MoM lists B as last upload. But asking person A about the
new merge can be more helpful than asking person B.

I've the impression that MoM works for main better than for universe.
Main has small teams caring for specific packages sets (like Gnome)
where the same team or person does the merges.
MOTU is a larger team and doesn't have this "ordering" like main.
Relying on the "Last Uploader" field on MoM doesn't work for us. We need an
other mechanism to coordinate our efforts.

An aggressive suggestion would be to drop the "Last uploader" field for
universe package from MoM if it doesn't work out for us and "lock"
merges with "In progress" bugs (or through some other means).

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Re: Merges - Pinging Previous Uploaders

2007-07-15 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 13:20:16 +0200 Michael Bienia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
>I don't know what the best solution for this but it should work for both
>main and universe packages easily.

Personally all these option seem FAR more complex than just asking the 
person that dealt with it last.

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Re: Merges - Pinging Previous Uploaders

2007-07-15 Thread Ming Hua
On Sun, Jul 15, 2007 at 01:20:16PM +0200, Michael Bienia wrote:
> 
> The advantage of a file in the source package is that one has it
> automatically when one fetches the source.
> But the big disadvantage is that one needs an upload to update that
> file.

As a compromise, packages using VCS for packaging can say in the file,
"The packaging is maintained in $VCS, please always check $VCS_URL
before you update this package".

> If the package has a bzr branch one could update the file there but most
> packages haven't a bzr branch yet. And what about package which are in a
> Debian VCS?
> 
> I don't know what the best solution for this but it should work for both
> main and universe packages easily.

Ming
2007.07.15

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Re: I guess you know all about this error

2007-07-15 Thread Michael Koch
On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 03:28:20PM -0400, Cefn Hoile wrote:
> But just in case, here's the summary.
> 
> Architecture: all
> Version: 5.5.20-4ubuntu1
> 
> http://cefn.com/blog/ubuntutomcat.html

Its better to report bugs into our bug tracking system. Then we can
track the issues. If there is already a bug report about this, please
add additional issues about it. Please dont just add links, add the
concrete information.

Thanks for taking the time to report bugs for Debian.


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upcoming REVU days

2007-07-15 Thread Stefan Potyra
Hi,

the next REVU days will be tomorrow on Monday, July 16th and one week later on 
July the 23rd. Again we'll be trying to flood the new queue by reviewing as 
many packages on REVU as possible, giving immiediate feedback to the package 
creators.

If you are an ubuntu developer, please come around to #ubuntu-motu on freenode 
and help to review packages sitting on REVU.

If you are a contributor and want your package to get included into ubuntu, 
please join us too at #ubuntu-motu and ask around (ideally with an URL to 
your source package on REVU) to get your package reviewed.

Cheers,
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Re: Merges - Pinging Previous Uploaders

2007-07-15 Thread Michael Bienia
On 2007-07-15 07:37:12 +0900, Emmet Hikory wrote:
> As a result of this, I am now uncertain whether to prefer
> something as part of the package, or as a launchpad whiteboard.
> Personally, I believe my workflow would be simplified for notes within
> the package, but downloading source is a low barrier for me: each
> developers' environment differs, and for some it may be signficiantly
> higher.

Both LP and a text file in the package have their advantages and
disadvantages.

The advantage of LP would be that information can be updated independent
from the package. If somebody does a merge and get stuck at some place
(like FTBFS due to new libs), one could add a note mentioning it. Or
that is in contact with Debian or upstream about an issue and that the
package should currently be not merged.

But I don't feel like bug reports are the right place for such
information. One would need a convention how those bug should be named
to be easy to find by mergers, especially if the packages has many bugs
(like some packages in main).

The disadvantage is that one needs to go to LP to get it but one should
check the bug lists for easy fixes/ patches when doing an upload/merge.
Therefore I don't see it as a real disadvantage.

The advantage of a file in the source package is that one has it
automatically when one fetches the source.
But the big disadvantage is that one needs an upload to update that
file.

If the package has a bzr branch one could update the file there but most
packages haven't a bzr branch yet. And what about package which are in a
Debian VCS?

I don't know what the best solution for this but it should work for both
main and universe packages easily.

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Re: Merges - Pinging Previous Uploaders

2007-07-15 Thread Emmet Hikory
On 7/15/07, Reinhard Tartler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't think that everyone is checking launchpad before doing
> merges. Mostly, I only check the MoM page and then use grab-source.sh to
> get them. Or I directly do 'apt-get source '. Having to look at
> the lp whiteboard is another step complicating my workflow.

I would think any use of grab-source.sh, apt-get source, or bzr
checkout without checking launchpad both dangerous and not best
practice for working as a team.  When touching a package for any
reason (merge, bugfix, rebuild, feature improvement, etc.), please
check the LP page to make sure there are no "In-Progress" bugs, as
otherwise it's easy to unexpectedly interact with others effort,
possibly requiring readjustment to match others changes, perhaps
causing others to readjust to match your changes, perhaps being a
duplication or work, and possibly involving conflicts due to changes
in similar places.  Additionally, checking the package bugs page may
provide some guidance on additional things that might be easy to fix
in the same upload, resulting in generally improved packages.

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Re: PrBoom Locks up X

2007-07-15 Thread Reinhard Tartler
Zombie Ryushu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> PrBoom 2.4.6 has a lockup issue it needs to be updated to 2.4.7 for
> Fiesty Fawn

filed as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/prboom/+bug/98946

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Re: Merges - Pinging Previous Uploaders

2007-07-15 Thread Reinhard Tartler
Jordan Mantha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I think I can get a whiteboard added to the
> launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ page. I think putting notes in BZR
> is really suboptimal at this point because we have very few packages that
> use it. Putting info in a README.Ubuntu or something seems ok, but I'd like
> people to be able to see stuff *before* they grab the source.

I don't think that everyone is checking launchpad before doing
merges. Mostly, I only check the MoM page and then use grab-source.sh to
get them. Or I directly do 'apt-get source '. Having to look at
the lp whiteboard is another step complicating my workflow.

This extra information would ideally be displayed while using these two
tools. It is not really important where they get their information from,
I just feel it is more practical to have that in the package than in
launchpad.

> So I see two issues:
>   1. Being able to "lock" a merge when you're working on it. This should be
> done via bug reports.

Ideally, on the commandline, like the resquestsync tool.

>   2. Some packages have tricky things or larger scale issues and we should
> have some way to share per-package information. I think a LP whiteboard
> could work for this.

FWIW, I prefer writing such documentations in a textfile, while working
on a package. Therefore I suggest that this information should go to
either debian/changelog, or debian/README.source.

And another point: It is already possible to have and use a whiteboard:
You can already link a package to a packaging branch, and that branch
already has a whiteboard ready for use. 

Package not in bzr obviously don't profit from this. For those packages
it indeed makes sense to have a "source package whiteboard". But is this
the majority of packages we are talking about? I mean, we are talking
about packages which have special requirements and considerations to be
taken into account while merging. I think for those packages, it really
makes sense to record your steps while working, so the are more likeley
to be kept in bzr. At least, it would make more sense to do that than
for easier packages.

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