Re: Shibboleth package maintenance in Ubuntu [Was: SRU: Shibboleth SPv3 for bionic]
On 16/04/2019 16.14, Robie Basak wrote: > You could be fine declaring that a team exists but deferring the > creation of anything representing that in Launchpad until later when > it's actually needed if you prefer. Or you can create it in Launchpad > now if you want to give it some firm basis. Your choice. I prefer it to be discoverable, so I created https://launchpad.net/~pkg-shibboleth. :) Cheers, Etienne signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: Shibboleth package maintenance in Ubuntu [Was: SRU: Shibboleth SPv3 for bionic]
On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 03:59:41PM +0200, Etienne Dysli Metref wrote:
> What's the best way to represent this in Launchpad?
> - Shall I create a new team on LP or rather claim the team
> https://launchpad.net/~pkg-shibboleth-devel ("Is this a team you run?")?
I asked, and was told "those are just autocreated persons based on the
email address". I think you'd be best creating a separate team.
> - Do I need to create a project as well?
No need for that. In fact you don't even need a Launchpad team as such
unless you have some specific need - it won't go into ACLs anywhere. You
can use a Launchpad team to host VCS, but as you're using Salsa, that
won't be necessary either.
You could be fine declaring that a team exists but deferring the
creation of anything representing that in Launchpad until later when
it's actually needed if you prefer. Or you can create it in Launchpad
now if you want to give it some firm basis. Your choice.
Launchpad teams also allow you to host mailing lists, but I recommend
using ubuntu-motu@ for getting started, again splitting off later if
needed if things get too busy.
HTH,
Robie
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Re: Shibboleth package maintenance in Ubuntu [Was: SRU: Shibboleth SPv3 for bionic]
On 16/04/2019 14.06, Robie Basak wrote:
> Note that Ubuntu developers may upload (to Ubuntu) without updating the
> VCS first. This is rather like an NMU in Debian, but more common. For
> example, in Ubuntu uploads needed for library transitions are generally
> driven from the library provider end, rather than the library consumer
> end, and so uploads relating to a transition may just "appear" in the
> archive. If this happens, you'll need to pull in those uploads to your
> VCS, as the archive remains the single source of truth.
Thanks for the explanation. Come to think of it, in Debian, any DD can
upload without touching the VCS, so... it's the same. :)
>> I'll go ahead and create a team on LP as that seems to be a step in the
>> right direction. Then I'll try to reflect the current state of Ubuntu
>> packages in the Git repositories on salsa under ubuntu/ (changelog,
>> patches, etc.) so that all of this can be unified. I'd still need
>> sponsorship to upload though, but that can be sorted later.
>
> I suggest you announce your intentions to ubuntu-devel@ and
> ubuntu-motu@, together with details on how to contact your team (perhaps
> nominate ubuntu-motu@ for now, and subscribe).
Ok so I'm now subscribed to ubuntu-motu and ubuntu-devel-announce lists
(and ubuntu-devel if I manage to).
What's the best way to represent this in Launchpad?
- Shall I create a new team on LP or rather claim the team
https://launchpad.net/~pkg-shibboleth-devel ("Is this a team you run?")?
- Do I need to create a project as well?
Etienne
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Shibboleth package maintenance in Ubuntu [Was: SRU: Shibboleth SPv3 for bionic]
[moving this thread over to ubuntu-motu@ from https://launchpad.net/bugs/1822069] On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 11:28:58AM -, Etienne Dysli Metref wrote: > IMHO, ideally, the Shibboleth packaging repositories over on salsa.d.o > [1] should be the reference also for Ubuntu packaging. I can create an > ubuntu/ branch namespace there for this purpose, as per DEP-14. That sounds great, and fits a common pattern used by other Ubuntu development teams too. When an Ubuntu delta exists, you can adjust Vcs-* in debian/control to point to the correct place on Salsa to help other Ubuntu developers find the correct VCS. Note that Ubuntu developers may upload (to Ubuntu) without updating the VCS first. This is rather like an NMU in Debian, but more common. For example, in Ubuntu uploads needed for library transitions are generally driven from the library provider end, rather than the library consumer end, and so uploads relating to a transition may just "appear" in the archive. If this happens, you'll need to pull in those uploads to your VCS, as the archive remains the single source of truth. However, if you're available and developers know to talk to you, they'll try to avoid stepping on your toes as much as possible by communicating first. > If I > understand you correctly, creating a team on LP would be enough to > "claim" ownership of these packages, though not enough to force others > to use salsa before uploading to Ubuntu. Right. There's no ownership claim as such; just an understanding that your team is volunteering to generally look after the packages, and others will try to work with you on that. > I'll go ahead and create a team on LP as that seems to be a step in the > right direction. Then I'll try to reflect the current state of Ubuntu > packages in the Git repositories on salsa under ubuntu/ (changelog, > patches, etc.) so that all of this can be unified. I'd still need > sponsorship to upload though, but that can be sorted later. I suggest you announce your intentions to ubuntu-devel@ and ubuntu-motu@, together with details on how to contact your team (perhaps nominate ubuntu-motu@ for now, and subscribe). In fact, we're quite far off topic on this bug now. I suggest we switch to talking on ubuntu-motu@ instead. I'll Cc: that list now, and switch the bug to Bcc:, to move this conversation over there. -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: SRU vs Backport
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 11/13/2013 11:02 AM, Daniel Lintott wrote: > Hi MOTU, > > The following bug [0] was recently fixed though Debian in version > 0.8.6-2 of the GNS3 package. This has has successfully been > imported into Trusty, but the bug was first reported in 13.04 > (Raring), so is still present in 13.10 (Saucy). > > When I took took over maintenance of the GNS3 package, I had to > bump the dependency on dynamips to version 0.8.4. > > So I believe both packages would need to be updated to prevent the > dependency breaking. > > The problem arises that whilst GNS3 0.86-2 fixes a bug making it a > candiate for SRU, dynamips does not and simply imports the new It isn't a candidate for SRU since 13.10 shipped with 0.8.3, so 0.8.6 is a new upstream release. > upstream version, which would be a backport. > > What would be the preferred method to handle this situtation? If you could cherry pick just the change that fixes the bug and apply it to 0.8.3 and it didn't require the new library, then it could be an SRU, otherwise it would have to be a backport. Given that 14.04 is now only a month away, and will shortly be followed by 13.10 going EOL, it begs the question why bother with either? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJTJ4kPAAoJEI5FoCIzSKrwz1UH/jaHwNnRAz9+Y5hKlVc0FX+R pZVhjqE8vo+s19GdGxHXDw6Vi0wfryUznweia2O0XpDduV105t3A7BGET2lAEUc5 akYXsJnengkCe7oywQ3n5y3xCF8k+AWGtNAs3lGUl/lQgwCKe9OGgZ7H6yyMKZ9n nCploEti0XRD4lrBJX+BSCaACYykiVdvNuB1rwGhnbcKXqZXZcpb/WqQjwBMGgVF YfHeYpFHlQo/GQxVB7KKRvwD8xjrVyVnL8ycgy3B7mXY1i6lIBHothIplUcz/kkZ NfKQa28s2aDndSFT8IPmigdcnHBV1KM29FY+CpN3zGXkgqsMlJY+lQdaY4kdPZw= =knU9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
SRU vs Backport
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi MOTU, The following bug [0] was recently fixed though Debian in version 0.8.6-2 of the GNS3 package. This has has successfully been imported into Trusty, but the bug was first reported in 13.04 (Raring), so is still present in 13.10 (Saucy). When I took took over maintenance of the GNS3 package, I had to bump the dependency on dynamips to version 0.8.4. So I believe both packages would need to be updated to prevent the dependency breaking. The problem arises that whilst GNS3 0.86-2 fixes a bug making it a candiate for SRU, dynamips does not and simply imports the new upstream version, which would be a backport. What would be the preferred method to handle this situtation? Regards Daniel [0] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gns3/+bug/1152884 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSg6KIAAoJEMw/9yOWzAkJj9UH/i8XaOQwyDuL3ICJJ9VwKrVW PcFDuNOCJESoa1CcZVPCnIuyk6XImQMhROvz4RXLPsaZqmCw2AE/P2RVSq21kqcF 6QLquZSvKxiCfFYYDosnzYjgzMxXetqwEs9/i5z07cki8j1yqYh3snrzqeD/86dM /zxAAGq7dMJzD+BfE+/zFpTYIFISe8myBhss4phcOrFbXAs1z90vLreGWuvtXQ8/ MgHD/hUy14iaTrxApiw7NDSlCPdGKeVbzqkHd0XDiPKOLl4n02xIMgZjY93i+Veq JBU+/zWSDPtz/qR/t0qKSILCzQwba4feSFfX0gbE5IJB32DD6UQt0drT5waHSec= =/EM2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
SRU request: gdesklets in jaunty
Hello, I'm pretty new to all of this (packaging for Ubuntu/Debian), but I created a debdiff for a bug I encountered when installing Jaunty for my girlfriend. I've build the package locally and in my PPA. SRU has been subscribed to the bug, but so far I haven't received any updates (x-mas and new years might have people focusing on other things then bugs and fixes :)). The fix is rather simple and I'm hoping to get the bug package released soonish so we can close at least 2 bugreports. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/350562 Could you guys (SRU) please have look at the bug and debdiff? Many thanks! Wesley -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: Improving process of MOTU SRU requests that are no change rebuilds
Luca Falavigna wrote:
> Steve Kowalik ha scritto:
>
>> How often is this actually the case that is required to change the
>> process? I would have thought that SRUs in general would not general
>> rebuilds (I'm ignoring clamav, because it's thpecial).
>>
>
> One of the example is apache2-mpm-itk, which depends on
> ${apache:Depends}, and it needs a rebuild when a security/SRU upload of
> apache2 is made.
>
> With my experience in motu-sru, I remember requests were mainly for
> packages in NBS list not managed in time for the release.
>
>
Hi,
Well i opened the bug for the recent apache2-mpm-itk rebuild (#394696),
provided a trivial changelog debdiff and attempted to go through the SRU
process. It was then rebuilt as a -security update (even thought it was
just a rebuild), therefore not relevant to motu-sru. I mentioned to the
uploader that he didn't reference the bug in the changelog (therefore
closing), he wasn't aware the bug existed.
Therefore, as a workflow process - there wasn't really any point (in
that instance) of raising the bug, as clearly the fault was being
tracked another method.
Kind Regards,
Dave Walker
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Re: Improving process of MOTU SRU requests that are no change rebuilds
Steve Kowalik ha scritto:
> How often is this actually the case that is required to change the
> process? I would have thought that SRUs in general would not general
> rebuilds (I'm ignoring clamav, because it's thpecial).
One of the example is apache2-mpm-itk, which depends on
${apache:Depends}, and it needs a rebuild when a security/SRU upload of
apache2 is made.
With my experience in motu-sru, I remember requests were mainly for
packages in NBS list not managed in time for the release.
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Re: Improving process of MOTU SRU requests that are no change rebuilds
Cody A.W. Somerville wrote: > I'd like to discuss possibly modifying the MOTU SRU process to allow a > wider group of individuals the ability to approve MOTU SRU requests that are > simply no change rebuilds. From my experience on the motu-sru team, I've > made a few observations: ~99.99% of rebuild requests pose minimal levels of > risk; if a MOTU requests a rebuild he or she is usually involved in > maintaining the package in question; and frequently the reason the rebuild > is necessary is because of another SRU or security update (ex. > xulrunner-1.9). > > So in the spirit of making life easier for everyone, I'd like to propose > allowing all MOTUs the ability to approve SRU requests that are no change > rebuilds. Optionally, we could also require that the MOTU approving must not > be the MOTU requesting. > > Thoughts, Feedback? How often is this actually the case that is required to change the process? I would have thought that SRUs in general would not general rebuilds (I'm ignoring clamav, because it's thpecial). Cheers, -- Steve joy hasn't spoken on IRC in 45 seconds, he must be MIA! -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: Improving process of MOTU SRU requests that are no change rebuilds
Steve Stalcup wrote: > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:47 PM, Cody A.W. > Somerville wrote: > >> So in the spirit of making life easier for everyone, I'd like to propose >> allowing all MOTUs the ability to approve SRU requests that are no change >> rebuilds. Optionally, we could also require that the MOTU approving must not >> be the MOTU requesting. >> >> Thoughts, Feedback? > > Sounds great. I think this would work out very well. > > Steve > How do you propose that non motu-sru members be informed of these specific SRU requests? -- Nick Ellery Ubuntu MOTU Developer www.ubuntu.com -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: Improving process of MOTU SRU requests that are no change rebuilds
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:47 PM, Cody A.W. Somerville wrote: > So in the spirit of making life easier for everyone, I'd like to propose > allowing all MOTUs the ability to approve SRU requests that are no change > rebuilds. Optionally, we could also require that the MOTU approving must not > be the MOTU requesting. > > Thoughts, Feedback? Sounds great. I think this would work out very well. Steve -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Improving process of MOTU SRU requests that are no change rebuilds
Hello Folks, I'd like to discuss possibly modifying the MOTU SRU process to allow a wider group of individuals the ability to approve MOTU SRU requests that are simply no change rebuilds. From my experience on the motu-sru team, I've made a few observations: ~99.99% of rebuild requests pose minimal levels of risk; if a MOTU requests a rebuild he or she is usually involved in maintaining the package in question; and frequently the reason the rebuild is necessary is because of another SRU or security update (ex. xulrunner-1.9). So in the spirit of making life easier for everyone, I'd like to propose allowing all MOTUs the ability to approve SRU requests that are no change rebuilds. Optionally, we could also require that the MOTU approving must not be the MOTU requesting. Thoughts, Feedback? Cheers, -- Cody A.W. Somerville Software Systems Release Engineer Foundations Team Custom Engineering Solutions Group Canonical OEM Services Phone: +1-781-850-2087 Cell: +1-506-471-8402 Email: cody.somervi...@canonical.com -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: Clarification of SRU procedure
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Toby Smithe ha scritto:
> [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fluid-soundfont/+bug/355864
> ("config file doesn't work")
>
> I believe that this bug, due to its functionally inhibiting property
> and its minor correction, to be worthy of SRU. However, I am not sure
> of the procedure, having not worked directly in Ubuntu universe for a
> long time: as the fix was released in a new Debian revision, can I
> just request a sync from Jaunty and provide a rationale? Or must I
> transplant only the change to the config file referenced, ignoring any
> other minor fixes that the "-2" revision may provide, creating a
> "-1ubuntu1" revision?
Even if changes are small and unintrusive, it's better to provide fix fo
the described behaviour only. In this case, the second option you
described should be followed.
Please subscribe motu-sru team to let its members to weigh the changes
introduced and receive the green light for the upload.
Regards,
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Clarification of SRU procedure
Hi,
I am the maintainer of "fluid-soundfont" in Debian, and receive bug
reports not only from there but also from Launchpad. Bug 355864[1] was
reported by a user running a release prior to Jaunty, and thus has not
received the fix that I released into Debian sid in late December.
[1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fluid-soundfont/+bug/355864
("config file doesn't work")
I believe that this bug, due to its functionally inhibiting property
and its minor correction, to be worthy of SRU. However, I am not sure
of the procedure, having not worked directly in Ubuntu universe for a
long time: as the fix was released in a new Debian revision, can I
just request a sync from Jaunty and provide a rationale? Or must I
transplant only the change to the config file referenced, ignoring any
other minor fixes that the "-2" revision may provide, creating a
"-1ubuntu1" revision? Bear in mind that the "-2" revision is available
in Debian testing, and is therefore less likely to be visibly buggy
than any new and untested "-1ubuntu1" revision; I am aware, however,
that the "-proposed" repositories are provided for this, but that
seems somewhat redundant here.
I read wiki.u.c/StableReleaseUpdates, but it seems primarily aimed at
Ubuntu developers, and doesn't sufficiently cover the minimal sync
case I describe here. Procedure 2.3 ("A minimal patch applicable to
the stable version of the package") is particularly ambiguous: can
this "minimal patch" be just the debdiff between the two revisions?
Please remember to copy me in on all replies: I am not subscribed to this list.
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Stepping down from MOTU-SRU
Hi folks, I need to end my short ride in the MOTU-SRU team, i apply with the hope that i will have more time now since i wouldn't be at the university anymore, but that didn't happen, i still doesn't have enough time for that, work, the projects i have, the things i want to do and the amount of work i'm making on it is not as much as i will like it to be. For that reason i leave my position open for someone else who want to take it. -- aka nxvl Key fingerprint = BCE4 27A0 D03E 55DE DA2D BE06 891D 8DEE 6545 97FE gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 654597FE signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Stepping down from motu-sru
Hello, after serving for two release cycles as a motu-sru team member, I decided to leave this position open for another developer interested in post-release activities. Work pressure increased a lot lately and I was not able to process SRU and MOTU activities as I did in recent past. motu-sru is a key team and deserves much more love than the amount I can give to it right now. I am still strongly interested in SRUs, I will be probably around again in the future, but I (sadly) feel this is the right decision for now. A big thank you to all team members, current and former, for the help provided and for the huge amount of work done, you ROCK! Regards, -- . ''`. Luca Falavigna : :' : Ubuntu MOTU Developer `. `'` Debian Maintainer `- GPG Key: 0x86BC2A50 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: New motu-sru members
On 2008-10-16 09:06:29 +0200, Luca Falavigna wrote: > Dear MOTU Council, > > please consider appoint Devid Antonio Filoni (d.filoni on LP) and > Nicolas Valcarcel (nvalcarcel on LP) as new motu-sru members. > > Devid's application and advocates: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-September/004800.html > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-October/004803.html > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-October/004804.html Added. > Nicolas' application and advocates: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-October/004805.html > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-October/004841.html > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-October/004843.html Added. The ~motu-sru team is now back at five members. Devid and Nicolas thank you for stepping up for ~motu-sru. > Please take care of former members (Stephan and Luke) too: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-July/004292.html > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-August/004369.html Done. Michael -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
New motu-sru members
Dear MOTU Council, please consider appoint Devid Antonio Filoni (d.filoni on LP) and Nicolas Valcarcel (nvalcarcel on LP) as new motu-sru members. Devid's application and advocates: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-September/004800.html https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-October/004803.html https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-October/004804.html Nicolas' application and advocates: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-October/004805.html https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-October/004841.html https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-October/004843.html Please take care of former members (Stephan and Luke) too: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-July/004292.html https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-August/004369.html Regards, -- . ''`. Luca Falavigna : :' : Ubuntu MOTU Developer `. `'` Debian Maintainer `- GPG Key: 0x86BC2A50 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: motu-sru needs you
As per the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Teams/KeyTeamPolicy wiki page I advocate Nicolas's application as I think he will be an excellent member of motu-sru team and I also know his work as I've looked at some upload signed by him. Devid Antonio Filoni 2008/10/2 Nicolas Valcárcel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I would like to apply for SRU team aswell, my daily work involves > working with the current stable release, so i think i can do o a good > job on it. I'm also interested in Q&A and security, which are some > things that will help me on this, so please consider this as my > application for the motu-sru team. > > My LP page is here: http://launchpad.net/~nvalcarcel > And my non-updated wiki page: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nxvl > > Rock on the universe! -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: motu-sru needs you
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Emilio Pozuelo Monfort ha scritto: > Any progress on this? There are two applications open for the free positions. A quick recap: APPLICATIONS As of today, there are two volunteers who applied to join motu-sru, Devid Antonio Filoni (devfil) [1] and Nicolas Valcarcel (nxvl) [2]. ADVOCATES As of today, Devid already received two advocates [3-4], Nicolas just received his first one [5] and he's waiting for the second one. NEXT ACTIONS If Nicolas receives his second advocate, it is possible to ask MOTU Council to add Devid and Nicolas to motu-sru, eventually dropping former members (Stephan, Scott and Luke). [1]https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-September/004790.html [2]https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-October/004805.html [3]https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-October/004803.html [4]https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-October/004804.html [5]https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-October/004841.html Regards, - -- . ''`. Luca Falavigna : :' : Ubuntu MOTU Developer `. `'` Debian Maintainer `- GPG Key: 0x86BC2A50 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkj2N+sACgkQnXjXEYa8KlCiBgCgiUQ+WL8uB6Q8X4yWlpcd3W+H IugAoKznRtdjVWW7G57PYWPXNT2kahD3 =+gIY -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: motu-sru needs you
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Hi all,
Luca Falavigna wrote:
> as of today, motu-sru [1] needs more volunteers to reach five team
> members. Current members are Cody Somerville, John Dong and myself, so
> we should nominate at least two new members to be ready to process SRU
> requests for {uni,multi}verse at the time Intrepid will be released.
Any progress on this? There are two applications open for the free positions.
Cheers,
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On Sat, 2008-10-04 at 10:34 +0200, Stephan Hermann wrote: > from ubuntu4 -> -updates -> ubuntu4.1 ? I mean this one ubuntu4 + 0.1 -> ubuntu4.1 > Please clarify. > > BTW, what are you doing with -updates which needs to go to several > releases, where the source has the same version+revision? For that i will append 0.release, so let's say we have ubuntu4 then it will end with ubuntu4.8.04.1 (ubuntu4.8.04.2 for next one) for hardy, ubuntu4.7.10.1 for gutsy and so on. -- aka nxvl Key fingerprint = BCE4 27A0 D03E 55DE DA2D BE06 891D 8DEE 6545 97FE gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 654597FE -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
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MOins, On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 13:33 -0500, Nicolas Valcárcel wrote: > On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 20:11 +0200, Stefan Potyra wrote: > > Ah, that's interesting. I of course assumed that it would be clear > > that I'd > > give it a suitable version number. Why must a package in -updates have > > a > > different version number than a package e.g. in intrepid? > > Let's assume that our package has revision ubuntu4 in hardy, for > intrepid is there is no upstream version changes we will move that to > ubuntu5, right? then a new update comes to hardy-updates, if we just add > 1 to it it will be ubuntu5, as the one in intrepid, but those are > different, updates (usually), and then when we update to intrepid it > won't we superseded, since we already have the highest version number, > for that we add 0.something to them instead of 1! I just lost the string... Do you mean: from ubuntu4 -> -updates -> ubuntu0.1 ? or from ubuntu4 -> -updates -> ubuntu4.1 ? Please clarify. BTW, what are you doing with -updates which needs to go to several releases, where the source has the same version+revision? Regards, \sh -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
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On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 20:11 +0200, Stefan Potyra wrote: > Ah, that's interesting. I of course assumed that it would be clear > that I'd > give it a suitable version number. Why must a package in -updates have > a > different version number than a package e.g. in intrepid? Let's assume that our package has revision ubuntu4 in hardy, for intrepid is there is no upstream version changes we will move that to ubuntu5, right? then a new update comes to hardy-updates, if we just add 1 to it it will be ubuntu5, as the one in intrepid, but those are different, updates (usually), and then when we update to intrepid it won't we superseded, since we already have the highest version number, for that we add 0.something to them instead of 1! -- aka nxvl Key fingerprint = BCE4 27A0 D03E 55DE DA2D BE06 891D 8DEE 6545 97FE gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 654597FE -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
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Hi again, On Friday 03 October 2008 19:47:24 Nicolas Valcárcel wrote: > On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 19:23 +0200, Stefan Potyra wrote: > > ok, what possible problems would both of you see with getting the > > current > > version into -updates? > > Also, would you think that there are possible advantages of doing so? > > An advantage would be that -updates is activated on most systems while > -backports not, so less people will receive the update. > Problem is that it will break somehow the versioning schema, almost all > packages in the -updates repository have the hardy revision + 0.X, while > this package will have + Y, which can be somehow confusing aswell as the > changelog entry, also it can break some updates and/or other packages > given the new versioning, > [..] Ah, that's interesting. I of course assumed that it would be clear that I'd give it a suitable version number. Why must a package in -updates have a different version number than a package e.g. in intrepid? Cheers, Stefan. -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
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On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 19:23 +0200, Stefan Potyra wrote: > ok, what possible problems would both of you see with getting the > current > version into -updates? > Also, would you think that there are possible advantages of doing so? An advantage would be that -updates is activated on most systems while -backports not, so less people will receive the update. Problem is that it will break somehow the versioning schema, almost all packages in the -updates repository have the hardy revision + 0.X, while this package will have + Y, which can be somehow confusing aswell as the changelog entry, also it can break some updates and/or other packages given the new versioning, other than that is a matter of testing and checking if it won't break anything and all the normal Q&A process. -- aka nxvl Key fingerprint = BCE4 27A0 D03E 55DE DA2D BE06 891D 8DEE 6545 97FE gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 654597FE -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
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Hi, On Friday 03 October 2008 14:01:42 Devid Antonio Filoni wrote: > 2008/10/3 Stefan Potyra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Hi, > > Hi Stefan > > > On Thursday 02 October 2008 22:25:16 Nicolas Valcárcel wrote: [..] > > > > Also, I'd be interested about a personal nitpick: The ghc6 package as in > > intrepid right now, hasn't seen a new upstream version since hardy, but > > was updated with a number of fixes since then, a few irrelevant to hardy > > (e.g. adding a script that produces some output during the time-taking > > build, so that slow buildds won't fail due to timeout), but some which > > fix imho important bugs. How would you react if I'd request the current > > version in intrepid to go into hardy-updates? > > I would say you to make a debdiff of the fixes for important bugs, If > you want other things I would suggest you to ask for a backport. > [..] On Friday 03 October 2008 02:29:19 Nicolas Valcárcel wrote: [..] > I would suggest to use -backports instead of -updates, since it will be > the same package as the one in the devel release, so that would be my > suggestion. ok, what possible problems would both of you see with getting the current version into -updates? Also, would you think that there are possible advantages of doing so? Cheers, Stefan. -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
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2008/10/3 Scott Kitterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Friday 03 October 2008 08:01, Devid Antonio Filoni wrote: >> 2008/10/3 Stefan Potyra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> > Hi, >> >> Hi Stefan >> >> > On Thursday 02 October 2008 22:25:16 Nicolas Valcárcel wrote: >> >> I would like to apply for SRU team aswell, my daily work involves >> >> working with the current stable release, so i think i can do o a good >> >> job on it. I'm also interested in Q&A and security, which are some >> >> things that will help me on this, so please consider this as my >> >> application for the motu-sru team. >> > >> > speaking of it, I'm interested where you'd draw the border between what >> > should go into -security and -updates. >> > >> > Also, I'd be interested about a personal nitpick: The ghc6 package as in >> > intrepid right now, hasn't seen a new upstream version since hardy, but >> > was updated with a number of fixes since then, a few irrelevant to hardy >> > (e.g. adding a script that produces some output during the time-taking >> > build, so that slow buildds won't fail due to timeout), but some which >> > fix imho important bugs. How would you react if I'd request the current >> > version in intrepid to go into hardy-updates? >> >> I would say you to make a debdiff of the fixes for important bugs, If >> you want other things I would suggest you to ask for a backport. > > How would you deal with it then if Stefan told you something along the lines > of "I've been a MOTU for a very long time and I understand this stuff really > well since I did most of the last GHC transition. I think it's better to put > the whole version in -updates."? > I would ask another member of motu-sru as I still think that some of the changes are useless. The motu-sru member will be a sort of judge :) > Scott K > > -- > Ubuntu-motu mailing list > Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu > -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
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On Friday 03 October 2008 08:01, Devid Antonio Filoni wrote: > 2008/10/3 Stefan Potyra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Hi, > > Hi Stefan > > > On Thursday 02 October 2008 22:25:16 Nicolas Valcárcel wrote: > >> I would like to apply for SRU team aswell, my daily work involves > >> working with the current stable release, so i think i can do o a good > >> job on it. I'm also interested in Q&A and security, which are some > >> things that will help me on this, so please consider this as my > >> application for the motu-sru team. > > > > speaking of it, I'm interested where you'd draw the border between what > > should go into -security and -updates. > > > > Also, I'd be interested about a personal nitpick: The ghc6 package as in > > intrepid right now, hasn't seen a new upstream version since hardy, but > > was updated with a number of fixes since then, a few irrelevant to hardy > > (e.g. adding a script that produces some output during the time-taking > > build, so that slow buildds won't fail due to timeout), but some which > > fix imho important bugs. How would you react if I'd request the current > > version in intrepid to go into hardy-updates? > > I would say you to make a debdiff of the fixes for important bugs, If > you want other things I would suggest you to ask for a backport. How would you deal with it then if Stefan told you something along the lines of "I've been a MOTU for a very long time and I understand this stuff really well since I did most of the last GHC transition. I think it's better to put the whole version in -updates."? Scott K -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
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2008/10/3 Stefan Potyra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi, Hi Stefan > On Thursday 02 October 2008 22:25:16 Nicolas Valcárcel wrote: >> I would like to apply for SRU team aswell, my daily work involves >> working with the current stable release, so i think i can do o a good >> job on it. I'm also interested in Q&A and security, which are some >> things that will help me on this, so please consider this as my >> application for the motu-sru team. > > speaking of it, I'm interested where you'd draw the border between what should > go into -security and -updates. > > Also, I'd be interested about a personal nitpick: The ghc6 package as in > intrepid right now, hasn't seen a new upstream version since hardy, but was > updated with a number of fixes since then, a few irrelevant to hardy (e.g. > adding a script that produces some output during the time-taking build, so > that slow buildds won't fail due to timeout), but some which fix imho > important bugs. How would you react if I'd request the current version in > intrepid to go into hardy-updates? I would say you to make a debdiff of the fixes for important bugs, If you want other things I would suggest you to ask for a backport. > > @Devid: maybe you'd also like to answer to these questions? Done :) > > Cheers, >Stefan. > > > -- > Ubuntu-motu mailing list > Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu > -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
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On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 01:42 +0200, Stefan Potyra wrote: > speaking of it, I'm interested where you'd draw the border between > what should > go into -security and -updates. For -security i will said updates that close CVE's, specially if that involves medium to critical security fixes, the rest to updates > Also, I'd be interested about a personal nitpick: The ghc6 package as > in > intrepid right now, hasn't seen a new upstream version since hardy, > but was > updated with a number of fixes since then, a few irrelevant to hardy > (e.g. > adding a script that produces some output during the time-taking > build, so > that slow buildds won't fail due to timeout), but some which fix imho > important bugs. How would you react if I'd request the current version > in > intrepid to go into hardy-updates? I would suggest to use -backports instead of -updates, since it will be the same package as the one in the devel release, so that would be my suggestion. -- aka nxvl Key fingerprint = BCE4 27A0 D03E 55DE DA2D BE06 891D 8DEE 6545 97FE gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 654597FE -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
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Hi, On Thursday 02 October 2008 22:25:16 Nicolas Valcárcel wrote: > I would like to apply for SRU team aswell, my daily work involves > working with the current stable release, so i think i can do o a good > job on it. I'm also interested in Q&A and security, which are some > things that will help me on this, so please consider this as my > application for the motu-sru team. speaking of it, I'm interested where you'd draw the border between what should go into -security and -updates. Also, I'd be interested about a personal nitpick: The ghc6 package as in intrepid right now, hasn't seen a new upstream version since hardy, but was updated with a number of fixes since then, a few irrelevant to hardy (e.g. adding a script that produces some output during the time-taking build, so that slow buildds won't fail due to timeout), but some which fix imho important bugs. How would you react if I'd request the current version in intrepid to go into hardy-updates? @Devid: maybe you'd also like to answer to these questions? Cheers, Stefan. -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
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I would like to apply for SRU team aswell, my daily work involves
working with the current stable release, so i think i can do o a good
job on it. I'm also interested in Q&A and security, which are some
things that will help me on this, so please consider this as my
application for the motu-sru team.
My LP page is here: http://launchpad.net/~nvalcarcel
And my non-updated wiki page: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nxvl
Rock on the universe!
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Devid Antonio Filoni wrote: > Hi, > I propose myself as motu-sru member. I have free time to also do > moru-sru works and I think I will do a good job. I've worked at some > SRU, so I know the procedure and in some bug I've suggested if a bug > is a SRU or not (I'm unable to find links right now), etc... I hereby advocate Devid's application as per the Key Teams Policy [1]. Cheers, Emilio [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Teams/KeyTeamPolicy signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
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Hi Cody, 2008/9/28 Cody A.W. Somerville <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi Devid, > > On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Devid Antonio Filoni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> Hi, >> I propose myself as motu-sru member. I have free time to also do >> moru-sru works and I think I will do a good job. I've worked at some >> SRU, so I know the procedure and in some bug I've suggested if a bug >> is a SRU or not (I'm unable to find links right now), etc... > > Thank you for taking the time to volunteer. > >> >> My launchpad profile: https://launchpad.net/~d.filoni >> My wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevidAntonioFiloni >> >> I will answer to any questions you will have for me. > > Can you provide a few (ie. 2-4) links to SRU bugs you've been involved with? > Also, could you take one of the currently pending SRU bugs that you're not > involved with and take us through the steps that you'd go through if you > were already a member of the motu-sru team? Links to SRU bugs: https://edge.launchpad.net/bugs/230027 https://edge.launchpad.net/bugs/229776 (my first SRU :) ) https://edge.launchpad.net/bugs/211553 Ok, for the second question, the following is a pending SRU bug (https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/debian/+source/tomcat5.5/+bug/179447) The following are the (general) steps that I should do as motu-sru member: The first question that needs a reply is "is this bug a SRU or not?" In the example, the program doesn't start so it is a SRU as it cannot be used by users. I try to reproduce the bug or to check users confirmations. I test if the debdiff works and if it introduces new regressions or not. If all is ok I give motu-sru ACK to the debdiff so it can be uploaded. If there is not a test case etc... I ask for it so people can test the package. If a new upstream version fixes the bug, in most cases the package is not updated but only the upstream fix is needed as a new upstream version will probability introduces new bugs. I hope all this is enough. Devid Antonio Filoni > >> >> Thanks, >> Devid Antonio Filoni >> > >> >> Ubuntu-motu mailing list >> Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu > > Cheers, > > -- > Cody A.W. Somerville > Software Systems Release Engineer > Custom Engineering Solutions Group > Canonical OEM Services > Cell: 506-449-5899 > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
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Hi Devid, On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Devid Antonio Filoni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Hi, > I propose myself as motu-sru member. I have free time to also do > moru-sru works and I think I will do a good job. I've worked at some > SRU, so I know the procedure and in some bug I've suggested if a bug > is a SRU or not (I'm unable to find links right now), etc... Thank you for taking the time to volunteer. > > > My launchpad profile: > https://launchpad.net/~d.filoni<https://launchpad.net/%7Ed.filoni> > My wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevidAntonioFiloni > > I will answer to any questions you will have for me. Can you provide a few (ie. 2-4) links to SRU bugs you've been involved with? Also, could you take one of the currently pending SRU bugs that you're not involved with and take us through the steps that you'd go through if you were already a member of the motu-sru team? > > > Thanks, > Devid Antonio Filoni > > > > Ubuntu-motu mailing list > Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu > Cheers, -- Cody A.W. Somerville Software Systems Release Engineer Custom Engineering Solutions Group Canonical OEM Services Cell: 506-449-5899 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
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Hi,
I propose myself as motu-sru member. I have free time to also do
moru-sru works and I think I will do a good job. I've worked at some
SRU, so I know the procedure and in some bug I've suggested if a bug
is a SRU or not (I'm unable to find links right now), etc...
My launchpad profile: https://launchpad.net/~d.filoni
My wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevidAntonioFiloni
I will answer to any questions you will have for me.
Thanks,
Devid Antonio Filoni
2008/9/24 Luca Falavigna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
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Hello,
as of today, motu-sru [1] needs more volunteers to reach five team
members. Current members are Cody Somerville, John Dong and myself, so
we should nominate at least two new members to be ready to process SRU
requests for {uni,multi}verse at the time Intrepid will be released.
If you would like to apply for the role, please reply to this message
and follow instructions defined by MOTU Key Teams policy [2].
[1] https://launchpad.net/~motu-sru
[2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Teams/KeyTeamPolicy
Thank you in advance!
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Re: motu-sru renewal?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Scott Kitterman ha scritto: > I'd also suggest we consider process changes to make it less overwhelming. > Right now it seems like motu-sru is expected to look at any bug that anyone > wants fixed in a stable release. I think it'd be better if motu-sru didn't > get involved until after someone had decided they were going to try and fix > it. Current policy [1] states that a SRU requires these elements: 1. Impact on users and regression potential discussion 2. Patch/Debdiff for stable releases packages 3. Detailed test cases to perform tests on proposed updates Sometimes these elements are scattered on bug reports and it's difficult to collect them to have a clear understanding of the problem. It happens bugs lack some or all of the above required elements, this makes motu-sru work extremely difficult since members need to keep in touch with reporter or getting informations from upstream bugtracker/VCS. For instance, I'm totally blind with bugs similar to [2], we usually trust reporter due to his knowledge of the package, but peer review is usually not provided there. If reported was *really* interested to have a patch as a SRU, I think providing required informations would not be a pain at all, leaving bug marked as Incomplete until required informations are gathered (as in motu-release [3], IIRC) will surely help motu-sru work. This will become extremely important if MOTUs are allowed to do archive administration tasks in the future. [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates [2] https://launchpad.net/bugs/254997 [3] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess Regards, - -- . ''`. Luca Falavigna : :' : Ubuntu MOTU Developer `. `'` Debian Maintainer `- GPG Key: 0x86BC2A50 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiZw2IACgkQnXjXEYa8KlCAawCfeVZjH/lWRMH00ay/cORCPvBz LC8AnA739c/NKFiadiyBtkeQM2oPGjcQ =MFds -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: motu-sru renewal? (was: Stepping down from MOTU SRU)
On Wednesday 06 August 2008 05:51, Luca Falavigna wrote: > Luke Yelavich ha scritto: > > I'm writing to announce that I have decided to step down from MOTU SRU. > > Luke, thank you very much for your help so far! > > Recently, Scott [1] and Stephan [2] left the team, a big thanks for your > contributions in the team and my best luck with your current activities! > > Also, John is busy with real life [3] and could not help right now, > motu-sru limits to Cody and me, actually. > > Even if SRU work is smaller now if compared to the days following Hardy > release, there are some requests which need to be reviewed. I managed > some bugs yesterday and will process more this week (I'm on holiday, I > can spend more time on Ubuntu), but I think we should add at least one > new member now to help out with outstanding bugs and eventually reach 5 > elements before Intrepid release to help during post-release days. > > Thoughts? > > [1]https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-July/004273.html > [2]https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-July/004292.html > [3]https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-August/004359.html > I think you've been really carrying the load and it ought to be better shared. I'd also suggest we consider process changes to make it less overwhelming. Right now it seems like motu-sru is expected to look at any bug that anyone wants fixed in a stable release. I think it'd be better if motu-sru didn't get involved until after someone had decided they were going to try and fix it. Scott K -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: motu-sru renewal? (was: Stepping down from MOTU SRU)
On Wednesday 06 August 2008 11:51:08 Luca Falavigna wrote: > motu-sru limits to Cody and me, actually. > > Even if SRU work is smaller now if compared to the days following Hardy > release, there are some requests which need to be reviewed. If there is a dare need for help, count me in. Cesare -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: SRU: please take a look at bug 241402
Luca Falavigna wrote: > Martin answered (I forgot to add him to CC, so I paste his reply here): > > "In fact we do update translations for main regularly post-release, > through the language packs. If those are standard .po updates and have > been tested, I'm ok with updating translations in universe SRUs." > Sounds good. I haven't tested the .po updates myself - I guess we could put the package into hardy-proposed and then add the translations to the test cases. The reason for updating the translations is that we didn't do this during the Hardy development cycle. Better do it now than never ;) Regards, Michael -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
motu-sru renewal? (was: Stepping down from MOTU SRU)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Luke Yelavich ha scritto: > I'm writing to announce that I have decided to step down from MOTU SRU. Luke, thank you very much for your help so far! Recently, Scott [1] and Stephan [2] left the team, a big thanks for your contributions in the team and my best luck with your current activities! Also, John is busy with real life [3] and could not help right now, motu-sru limits to Cody and me, actually. Even if SRU work is smaller now if compared to the days following Hardy release, there are some requests which need to be reviewed. I managed some bugs yesterday and will process more this week (I'm on holiday, I can spend more time on Ubuntu), but I think we should add at least one new member now to help out with outstanding bugs and eventually reach 5 elements before Intrepid release to help during post-release days. Thoughts? [1]https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-July/004273.html [2]https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-July/004292.html [3]https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-August/004359.html Regards, - -- . ''`. Luca Falavigna : :' : Ubuntu MOTU Developer `. `'` Debian Maintainer `- GPG Key: 0x86BC2A50 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiZdAgACgkQnXjXEYa8KlAviACgkBgZAtG4qH5qEYGUaLS2XvOy uwMAn2CM5Pj7J1opMh4kflIAZ0wU6s6y =IPvW -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Stepping down from MOTU SRU.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all I'm writing to announce that I have decided to step down from MOTU SRU. Due to other areas of Ubuntu keeping my attention for a while, I am not helping out as much as I'd like with MOTU, and feel that I'm letting the SRU process down, as I am not giving it enough attention. So I feel someone who feels enthusiastic about the SRU procedure, and can breathe new life into it should take over. I'll stick around in the team until someone is found to replace me. Thanks for the opportunity to help out the MOTU community in this way, it has been a great learning experience, and I wish my successor the best of luck. Luke -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFImOnPjVefwtBjIM4RAtL8AKDMYxq29skgp6Xra4IGpXSDdj8MXgCg1UiY MiiSQZdiahGbeAY8foCxQ+k= =SH9a -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: SRU: please take a look at bug 241402
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martin answered (I forgot to add him to CC, so I paste his reply here): "In fact we do update translations for main regularly post-release, through the language packs. If those are standard .po updates and have been tested, I'm ok with updating translations in universe SRUs." Regards, - -- . ''`. Luca Falavigna : :' : Ubuntu MOTU Developer `. `'` Debian Maintainer `- GPG Key: 0x86BC2A50 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiYImAACgkQnXjXEYa8KlAH2gCeJWtYkiycwlMztq5ionDXLkiZ Ny0An1Ym3l36/jvNjHRDFptwVU2eE6ff =5Ti0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: SRU: please take a look at bug 241402
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Haas ha scritto: > This is the first time I'm filing an SRU request which closes multiple > bugs. The wiki page doesn't give clear instructions so I hope what I did > was OK :) Having a SRU fixing multiple bugs is OK, given that you provide a detailed test case for each of them. You did it very well, great job! I'm not sure about having up-to-date translations, though. We usually bring in bugfixes, and updating translations is not commonly a bugfix, unless there are valid reasons to do so. I'd like to hear from other motu-sru members about this as much as Martin's thoughts. Regards, - -- . ''`. Luca Falavigna : :' : Ubuntu MOTU Developer `. `'` Debian Maintainer `- GPG Key: 0x86BC2A50 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiXMq0ACgkQnXjXEYa8KlCrRACfQWfSvm/XSNdSNTKix1JquDVO Y0wAnR13e/J1MwZ2ZIpeQZngUi/f6Eub =csif -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
SRU: please take a look at bug 241402
Hello, if someone from motu-sru has some spare time, it'd be nice if they could take a look at bug 241402[1]. This SRU fixes a few bug in mythbuntu-control-centre. This is the first time I'm filing an SRU request which closes multiple bugs. The wiki page doesn't give clear instructions so I hope what I did was OK :) Regards, Michael [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythbuntu-control-centre/+bug/241402 -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: MOTU SRU Team wiki page
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 11:00:31PM EST, Cody A.W. Somerville wrote: > Along with getting this team page setup in the wiki, I'd like to see about > organizing a MOTU SRU meeting so that we can all touch base. How does August > 7th @ 1600 UTC sound to everyone? No can do. That is 2AM for me. Luke -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIj58VjVefwtBjIM4RAvquAKCzTVMcwwNj86NmoK3PWkszcWD08QCg6FxO joJcV2dkm/SQNCgdsRTWHck= =AZzN -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: MOTU SRU Team wiki page
Cody A.W. Somerville ha scritto: I quickly put together a wiki page for the MOTU SRU team Great! Thanks Cody ;) Along with getting this team page setup in the wiki, I'd like to see about organizing a MOTU SRU meeting so that we can all touch base. How does August 7th @ 1600 UTC sound to everyone? I'll be home on holiday (I hope, at least...), so I think I can attend the meeting. -- . ''`. Luca Falavigna : :' : Ubuntu MOTU Developer `. `'` Debian Maintainer `- GPG Key: 0x86BC2A50 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
MOTU SRU Team wiki page
Hello MOTU, Contributors, and fellow MOTU-SRU members, I quickly put together a wiki page for the MOTU SRU team to allow for us to easily schedule meetings and keep track of issues we face along with the resolutions we've arrived at. You can visit it and help make it more awesome by directing your browser to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Teams/SRU Along with getting this team page setup in the wiki, I'd like to see about organizing a MOTU SRU meeting so that we can all touch base. How does August 7th @ 1600 UTC sound to everyone? Cheers, -- Cody A.W. Somerville Software Engineer Red Cow Marketing & Technologies, Inc. Office: 506-458-1290 Toll Free: 1-877-733-2699 Fax: 506-453-9112 Cell: 506-449-5899 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.redcow.ca -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Stepping down from motu-sru
I am stepping down from motu-sru because I don't think I can be effective at it. The current state of Launchpad is that it takes me forever to work through which SRU bugs I should look at and which ones I don't need to. I give. Since we added one extra person in the last go 'round, I shouldn't need a replacement. Scott K -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: MOTU-SRU Meeting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stephan Hermann ha scritto: |> Sounds good to me. | | So it's setteled... | | 16th June, 21UTC...can someone write it down somewhere? Fine with me too. We should add meeting to Fridge. Cody, mind adding it? Also, I wrote down some random thoughts about mout-sru issues we faced in the past, just for your reference. You can find it here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MotuSruIssues. Regards, - -- Luca Falavigna Ubuntu MOTU Developer GPG Key: 0x86BC2A50 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkhPd4AACgkQnXjXEYa8KlAobgCeNgZGu4A2yiMIEnOAa6tQXKuD HtkAnA9ZwsLVxB2BYOjSVVmrBLD5yICn =eJ6Q -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: MOTU-SRU Meeting (was: motu-sru extension)
Moins, On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:37:43 +1000 Luke Yelavich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 12:32:50PM EST, Cody A.W. Somerville wrote: > > How about June 16th? (June 17th for Luke) > > Sounds good to me. So it's setteled... 16th June, 21UTC...can someone write it down somewhere? \sh -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: MOTU-SRU Meeting (was: motu-sru extension)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 12:32:50PM EST, Cody A.W. Somerville wrote: > How about June 16th? (June 17th for Luke) Sounds good to me. Luke -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFITzp3jVefwtBjIM4RAi8CAJ9p9izdfpVwUAZa6xSUOXsEcuvhlQCg4tXO JlSgI4jMdZnMbCTxra+7ppc= =rNx0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: MOTU-SRU Meeting (was: motu-sru extension)
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 11:29 PM, Scott Kitterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 10 June 2008 18:50, Luke Yelavich wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 08, 2008 at 10:03:10PM EST, Luca Falavigna wrote: > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > Cody A.W. Somerville ha scritto: > > > > As for a meeting, I'd love to get one done ASAP (I'm sure the rest of > > > > the team is ready to rock and roll too). I'm unfamiliar with your > guy's > > > > schedule but mine is very flexible. Please feel free to pick a > > > > tentative date and we can go from there. > > > > > > Given that we live in different timezones (Luke in Australia, Stephan > > > and I in Europe and the rest of the team in U.S.), it will be hard to > > > find a suitable date for everyone. > > > > > > E.g. if we choose 20 or 21 UTC, there could be room to attend everybody > > > (it will be early in Australia, though). > > > > I would much prefer 21:00UTC, which is 7AM my time, and preferably during > > the week. > > > > Luke > > If we do it then, I can be there for about 45 minutes. That should be > plenty. > > Scott K How about June 16th? (June 17th for Luke) Cheers, -- Cody A.W. Somerville Software Engineer Red Cow Marketing & Technologies, Inc. Office: 506-458-1290 Toll Free: 1-877-733-2699 Fax: 506-453-9112 Cell: 506-449-5899 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.redcow.ca -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: MOTU-SRU Meeting (was: motu-sru extension)
On Tuesday 10 June 2008 18:50, Luke Yelavich wrote: > On Sun, Jun 08, 2008 at 10:03:10PM EST, Luca Falavigna wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Cody A.W. Somerville ha scritto: > > > As for a meeting, I'd love to get one done ASAP (I'm sure the rest of > > > the team is ready to rock and roll too). I'm unfamiliar with your guy's > > > schedule but mine is very flexible. Please feel free to pick a > > > tentative date and we can go from there. > > > > Given that we live in different timezones (Luke in Australia, Stephan > > and I in Europe and the rest of the team in U.S.), it will be hard to > > find a suitable date for everyone. > > > > E.g. if we choose 20 or 21 UTC, there could be room to attend everybody > > (it will be early in Australia, though). > > I would much prefer 21:00UTC, which is 7AM my time, and preferably during > the week. > > Luke If we do it then, I can be there for about 45 minutes. That should be plenty. Scott K -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: MOTU-SRU Meeting (was: motu-sru extension)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Jun 09, 2008 at 04:41:21PM EST, Stephan Hermann wrote: > > E.g. if we choose 20 or 21 UTC, there could be room to attend > > everybody (it will be early in Australia, though). > > When I know beforehand..the timeframe between 20 - 22 UTC during > working days is ok for me, regarding work, life et al. > > we can also schedule the meeting on saturday or sunday, so there's more > time to spend :) I would rather not, as I can't be sure I can get to the keyboard, let alone that I would want to get up early on a weekend day. Luke -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFITwVnjVefwtBjIM4RAh5FAKCfkEDFdZa5Yuzs+CofCGEjNEGzvACfTDlY k+Gtbp/+yYymumEdxLiSgkM= =xcow -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: MOTU-SRU Meeting (was: motu-sru extension)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Jun 08, 2008 at 10:03:10PM EST, Luca Falavigna wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Cody A.W. Somerville ha scritto: > > As for a meeting, I'd love to get one done ASAP (I'm sure the rest of > > the team is ready to rock and roll too). I'm unfamiliar with your guy's > > schedule but mine is very flexible. Please feel free to pick a tentative > > date and we can go from there. > > Given that we live in different timezones (Luke in Australia, Stephan > and I in Europe and the rest of the team in U.S.), it will be hard to > find a suitable date for everyone. > > E.g. if we choose 20 or 21 UTC, there could be room to attend everybody > (it will be early in Australia, though). I would much prefer 21:00UTC, which is 7AM my time, and preferably during the week. Luke -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFITwUljVefwtBjIM4RAiBUAJ43+2xHIbXYNxPun9leweLyvf1fpwCgiYML hCEnNZpUQWngMopkFWPsTp4= =JZpi -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: MOTU-SRU Meeting (was: motu-sru extension)
On Monday 09 June 2008 02:41, Stephan Hermann wrote: > Moins, > > > On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 14:03:10 +0200 > > Luca Falavigna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Cody A.W. Somerville ha scritto: > > > As for a meeting, I'd love to get one done ASAP (I'm sure the rest > > > of the team is ready to rock and roll too). I'm unfamiliar with > > > your guy's schedule but mine is very flexible. Please feel free to > > > pick a tentative date and we can go from there. > > > > Given that we live in different timezones (Luke in Australia, Stephan > > and I in Europe and the rest of the team in U.S.), it will be hard to > > find a suitable date for everyone. > > > > E.g. if we choose 20 or 21 UTC, there could be room to attend > > everybody (it will be early in Australia, though). > > When I know beforehand..the timeframe between 20 - 22 UTC during > working days is ok for me, regarding work, life et al. > > we can also schedule the meeting on saturday or sunday, so there's more > time to spend :) > > \sh 20 UTC will work for me on most any day during the week. Scott K -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: MOTU-SRU Meeting (was: motu-sru extension)
Moins, On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 14:03:10 +0200 Luca Falavigna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Cody A.W. Somerville ha scritto: > > As for a meeting, I'd love to get one done ASAP (I'm sure the rest > > of the team is ready to rock and roll too). I'm unfamiliar with > > your guy's schedule but mine is very flexible. Please feel free to > > pick a tentative date and we can go from there. > > Given that we live in different timezones (Luke in Australia, Stephan > and I in Europe and the rest of the team in U.S.), it will be hard to > find a suitable date for everyone. > > E.g. if we choose 20 or 21 UTC, there could be room to attend > everybody (it will be early in Australia, though). When I know beforehand..the timeframe between 20 - 22 UTC during working days is ok for me, regarding work, life et al. we can also schedule the meeting on saturday or sunday, so there's more time to spend :) \sh -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: MOTU-SRU Meeting (was: motu-sru extension)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Cody A.W. Somerville ha scritto: > As for a meeting, I'd love to get one done ASAP (I'm sure the rest of > the team is ready to rock and roll too). I'm unfamiliar with your guy's > schedule but mine is very flexible. Please feel free to pick a tentative > date and we can go from there. Given that we live in different timezones (Luke in Australia, Stephan and I in Europe and the rest of the team in U.S.), it will be hard to find a suitable date for everyone. E.g. if we choose 20 or 21 UTC, there could be room to attend everybody (it will be early in Australia, though). - -- Luca Falavigna Ubuntu MOTU Developer GPG Key: 0x86BC2A50 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIS8p9nXjXEYa8KlARAgF0AJ0a7DXj3fBmIlKylk9+E9IDkg9HBgCfSXPY HU3u+0bFJvHhXsGQVad9WnQ= =vg4N -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
MOTU-SRU Meeting (was: motu-sru extension)
On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Luca Falavigna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I have added Cody Somerville, Scott Kitterman, and Stephan Hermann > > as new members of MOTU SRU. Please welcome them to the team. > > Welcome aboard! Can we schedule a short meeting to discuss what we can > do to improve our workflow and to examine difficulties we faced? > > Hey, thanks :) As for a meeting, I'd love to get one done ASAP (I'm sure the rest of the team is ready to rock and roll too). I'm unfamiliar with your guy's schedule but mine is very flexible. Please feel free to pick a tentative date and we can go from there. Cheers, -- Cody A.W. Somerville Software Engineer Red Cow Marketing & Technologies, Inc. Office: 506-458-1290 Toll Free: 1-877-733-2699 Fax: 506-453-9112 Cell: 506-449-5899 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.redcow.ca -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: motu-sru extension
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Emmet Hikory ha scritto: > I have deactvated the memberships of Brandon Holtsclaw and Jordan > Mantha. Much appreciation is due them both for their help with MOTU > SRU in the past, and they deserve all our best wishes with their > current activities. A huge Thank you guys for your hard work during these months! > I have added Cody Somerville, Scott Kitterman, and Stephan Hermann > as new members of MOTU SRU. Please welcome them to the team. Welcome aboard! Can we schedule a short meeting to discuss what we can do to improve our workflow and to examine difficulties we faced? - -- Luca Falavigna Ubuntu MOTU Developer GPG Key: 0x86BC2A50 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFISsAgnXjXEYa8KlARAs5rAKCopHY0a/csFCoMtjQVibe6fQmGQwCfakjv bqHx85yyE944op0lx6Bp1xs= =eyET -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: motu-sru extension
I wrote: >I've been advised that the above represents a statement by > MOTU-SRU asking for inclusion as an alternative to the requested poll > Given that this is different to how team members have been > chosen in the past, I'd like to ask that anyone who objects to this > solution reply in the next couple days (48 hours or so). That was a couple days ago, so: I have deactvated the memberships of Brandon Holtsclaw and Jordan Mantha. Much appreciation is due them both for their help with MOTU SRU in the past, and they deserve all our best wishes with their current activities. I have added Cody Somerville, Scott Kitterman, and Stephan Hermann as new members of MOTU SRU. Please welcome them to the team. -- Emmet HIKORY -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: motu-sru extension
Emmet Hikory wrote: > Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: >> Emmet Hikory wrote: >>> I'd like to ask that anyone who objects to this >>> solution reply in the next couple days (48 hours or so). >> As a general policy or just for this case? > > Just in this case(1), No objection then > although it may lend itself as possible > precedent as part of the larger conversation about how to select / > elect / appoint / collect / generate our leadership teams. But that will surely need discussion et al. Cheers, Emilio > 1: In the interests of restoring the flow of critical bugfixes to our > current stable release. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: motu-sru extension
Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: > Emmet Hikory wrote: >> I'd like to ask that anyone who objects to this >> solution reply in the next couple days (48 hours or so). > > As a general policy or just for this case? Just in this case(1), although it may lend itself as possible precedent as part of the larger conversation about how to select / elect / appoint / collect / generate our leadership teams. 1: In the interests of restoring the flow of critical bugfixes to our current stable release. -- Emmet HIKORY -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: motu-sru extension
Emmet Hikory wrote: > I'd like to ask that anyone who objects to this > solution reply in the next couple days (48 hours or so). As a general policy or just for this case? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: motu-sru extension
Luca Falavigna wrote: > Cesare Tirabassi ha scritto: > | Can I propose to extend the numbers of members in the motu-sru team to 6? > | Unless somebody objects we can have a full team up and running again > in no > | time, with plenty of enthusiasts ready to process all our SRU to > everybody's > | satisfaction. > > Having more members is not a problem, we can speed up SRU review and > approval phases, we just need to coordinate and adopt common procedures. > > Once new members are in place, I would like to discuss about issues we > faced in the past, this can be done by mail/irc meeting/MOTU meeting as > you prefer. If you want, I can write a brief summary of what has been > done and pending open issues we need to solve, so we have something to > work on immediately. I've been advised that the above represents a statement by MOTU-SRU asking for inclusion as an alternative to the requested poll (1). Given that this is different to how team members have been chosen in the past, I'd like to ask that anyone who objects to this solution reply in the next couple days (48 hours or so). Also, I'd like to invite the MOTU SRU team to hold a public meeting with the candidates as soon as possible to establish procedures and coordination, and reduce the possibility of organisational delays if there is a polling period. 1: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2008-June/001181.html -- Emmet HIKORY -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: motu-sru extension
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Cesare Tirabassi ha scritto: | Can I propose to extend the numbers of members in the motu-sru team to 6? | Unless somebody objects we can have a full team up and running again in no | time, with plenty of enthusiasts ready to process all our SRU to everybody's | satisfaction. Having more members is not a problem, we can speed up SRU review and approval phases, we just need to coordinate and adopt common procedures. Once new members are in place, I would like to discuss about issues we faced in the past, this can be done by mail/irc meeting/MOTU meeting as you prefer. If you want, I can write a brief summary of what has been done and pending open issues we need to solve, so we have something to work on immediately. - -- Luca Falavigna Ubuntu MOTU Developer GPG Key: 0x86BC2A50 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkhGPUUACgkQnXjXEYa8KlB+vQCfV7kfetjnUxHs+GUGmPavxRvI fc4Anjb0f9hIZVSSoSpQSBWLuJpwOi0T =nGZv -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: motu-sru extension
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 4:16 AM, Michael Bienia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2008-06-01 04:44:55 +0200, Stefan Potyra wrote: > > looks, like we need two members (follow-ups to [1]), but that might be > subject > > to discussion. > > As I had to go out and look after one ~motu-sru member to get my SRUs > ACKed, I'd like to hear from the remaining ~motu-sru members how many > new members should be added to the team to get it operational again. Well, I think the minimum would probably be 3 because it's hard to keep a consistent and varied group otherwise and I probably wouldn't go more than 6 or 7 because communication becomes more difficult and productivity tends to go down due to "anonymity". When it's a fairly small team you know you have to contribute to the team and there's more investment in the team. However, when a team gets large each member's part shrinks and they can tend to get disinterested. But again, this really is really a function of the dynamics of the team and there are ways to effectively use large teams too (having a team lead with subteam works on specific task, or expanding the team's scope). -Jordan -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: motu-sru extension
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Cody A.W. Somerville < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 8:44 PM, Chuck Short <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> >> Hi, >> >> I would just like to make a suggestion if you wish to expand the team >> then it should cover different timezones since the motu-sru might not >> always be available. > > > Why is that nessary? When is a member of the SRU team ever needed > *immediately*? If that is the case, I don't mind giving out my phone number > (if I'm placed on the team). > > Well, most SRUs don't need immediate attention (since security follows a different workflow) however it is good to spread timezones because people often do have question for MOTU SRU members or you want to chat with somebody working on an SRU. It's just generally not great to have the whole team in one general timezone. With Stephan and Luka on European timezones, Luke in AU, and John, Cody, and Scott in the Americas we'd have fairly good coverage. -Jordan -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: motu-sru extension
Cody A.W. Somerville wrote: > Chuck Short wrote: >> I would just like to make a suggestion if you wish to expand the team >> then it should cover different timezones since the motu-sru might not >> always be available. > > Why is that nessary? When is a member of the SRU team ever needed > *immediately*? If that is the case, I don't mind giving out my phone number MOTU SRU isn't "needed" immediately, but it's nice to have someone available for discussion in #ubuntu-motu if one is considering working on something, and wants a second opinion to verify it's worth doing. -- Emmet HIKORY -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: motu-sru extension
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 8:44 PM, Chuck Short <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > I would just like to make a suggestion if you wish to expand the team > then it should cover different timezones since the motu-sru might not > always be available. Why is that nessary? When is a member of the SRU team ever needed *immediately*? If that is the case, I don't mind giving out my phone number (if I'm placed on the team). > > > Regards > chuck > > -- > Ubuntu-motu mailing list > Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu > -- Cody A.W. Somerville Software Engineer Red Cow Marketing & Technologies, Inc. Office: 506-458-1290 Toll Free: 1-877-733-2699 Fax: 506-453-9112 Cell: 506-449-5899 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.redcow.ca -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: motu-sru extension
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 5:43 PM, Cesare Tirabassi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>Dear MC, >> >>please set up polls for extending motu-sru/replacing retired members [1]. >>Daniel, maybe you'd also like to transfer team ownership to MC (see [2]). >> >>Candidates: >>Stephan Hermann [3] >>Scott Kitterman [4] >>Cody A.W. Somerville [5] >> >>looks, like we need two members (follow-ups to [1]), but that might be >>subject to discussion. > > Can I propose to extend the numbers of members in the motu-sru team to 6? > Unless somebody objects we can have a full team up and running again in no > time, with plenty of enthusiasts ready to process all our SRU to everybody's > satisfaction. > > Cesare > > -- > Ubuntu-motu mailing list > Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu > Hi, I would just like to make a suggestion if you wish to expand the team then it should cover different timezones since the motu-sru might not always be available. Regards chuck -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: motu-sru extension
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Cesare Tirabassi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Dear MC, > > > >please set up polls for extending motu-sru/replacing retired members [1]. > >Daniel, maybe you'd also like to transfer team ownership to MC (see [2]). > > > >Candidates: > >Stephan Hermann [3] > >Scott Kitterman [4] > >Cody A.W. Somerville [5] > > > >looks, like we need two members (follow-ups to [1]), but that might be > >subject to discussion. > > Can I propose to extend the numbers of members in the motu-sru team to 6? > Unless somebody objects we can have a full team up and running again in no > time, with plenty of enthusiasts ready to process all our SRU to > everybody's > satisfaction. As one of the people being replaced, I'd like to say that I think the number of people in the team not nearly as important as having people who are dedicated to being an active part of the MOTU SRU team. I personally don't think 6 people are necessary, but I don't see real problems with it and I'd hate to waste good candidates like these :-) +1 from me. -Jordan -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
motu-sru extension
>Dear MC, > >please set up polls for extending motu-sru/replacing retired members [1]. >Daniel, maybe you'd also like to transfer team ownership to MC (see [2]). > >Candidates: >Stephan Hermann [3] >Scott Kitterman [4] >Cody A.W. Somerville [5] > >looks, like we need two members (follow-ups to [1]), but that might be >subject to discussion. Can I propose to extend the numbers of members in the motu-sru team to 6? Unless somebody objects we can have a full team up and running again in no time, with plenty of enthusiasts ready to process all our SRU to everybody's satisfaction. Cesare -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: motu-sru extension
On 2008-06-01 04:44:55 +0200, Stefan Potyra wrote: > looks, like we need two members (follow-ups to [1]), but that might be > subject > to discussion. As I had to go out and look after one ~motu-sru member to get my SRUs ACKed, I'd like to hear from the remaining ~motu-sru members how many new members should be added to the team to get it operational again. Michael -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
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Dear MC, please set up polls for extending motu-sru/replacing retired members [1]. Daniel, maybe you'd also like to transfer team ownership to MC (see [2]). Candidates: Stephan Hermann [3] Scott Kitterman [4] Cody A.W. Somerville [5] looks, like we need two members (follow-ups to [1]), but that might be subject to discussion. Thanks, Stefan. -- [1]: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-May/003873.html [2]: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-May/003963.html [3]: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-May/003912.html [4]: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-May/003954.html [5]: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-May/003961.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: wanted: motu-sru members
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stefan Potyra ha scritto: > I'd say, we extent the deadline until tomorrow (31.05.08), 20.00 UTC. If > there > should be more than two volunteers (it looks like we need to replace two > members right now), I'd call for a vote then. Otherwise, let's just add the > members to the team on Monday, at 20.00h UTC unless anyone disagrees with > that. Sounds good. Also, I'd suggest to set MC as team owner, so it can approve new members when needed or replace existing ones. - -- Luca Falavigna Ubuntu MOTU Developer GPG Key: 0x86BC2A50 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIQR2tnXjXEYa8KlARArxnAJ4gMGWnSL8Cif5IH6XmnGL9D3Rr8QCfXSDj srOi/97m8Wq/PMO8My48hbQ= =z9GL -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: wanted: motu-sru members
I'd be interested in volunteering if more volunteers are required. On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Stefan Potyra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi again, > > thanks for more volunteers. > > Siegfried: Having no big track of sru history doesn't imho warrant that you > couldn't be a member of motu-sru. Do you also volunteer? > > So, how do we proceed now? > > I'd say, we extent the deadline until tomorrow (31.05.08), 20.00 UTC. If > there > should be more than two volunteers (it looks like we need to replace two > members right now), I'd call for a vote then. Otherwise, let's just add the > members to the team on Monday, at 20.00h UTC unless anyone disagrees with > that. > > Any objections? > > Cheers, > Stefan. > > > -- > Ubuntu-motu mailing list > Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu > > -- Cody A.W. Somerville Software Engineer Red Cow Marketing & Technologies, Inc. Office: 506-458-1290 Toll Free: 1-877-733-2699 Fax: 506-453-9112 Cell: 506-449-5899 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.redcow.ca -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: wanted: motu-sru members
Hi again, thanks for more volunteers. Siegfried: Having no big track of sru history doesn't imho warrant that you couldn't be a member of motu-sru. Do you also volunteer? So, how do we proceed now? I'd say, we extent the deadline until tomorrow (31.05.08), 20.00 UTC. If there should be more than two volunteers (it looks like we need to replace two members right now), I'd call for a vote then. Otherwise, let's just add the members to the team on Monday, at 20.00h UTC unless anyone disagrees with that. Any objections? Cheers, Stefan. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: wanted: motu-sru members
On Fri, 30 May 2008 23:08:05 +0200 Siegfried-Angel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> so it's Friday now, and Stephan is the only candidate so far (thanks again for >> volunteering, Stephan!). > >Oh, I thought there would be more interest on this. Come on people!! :P > >I'd step out but I don't think that I'm ready for it (I've only done >two SRUs until now) :(. > >Regards, > /me volunteers. Scott K -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: wanted: motu-sru members
> so it's Friday now, and Stephan is the only candidate so far (thanks again for > volunteering, Stephan!). Oh, I thought there would be more interest on this. Come on people!! :P I'd step out but I don't think that I'm ready for it (I've only done two SRUs until now) :(. Regards, -- Siegfried-Angel Gevatter Pujals (RainCT) GNU/Linux User #438657. Ubuntu User #11680. P.D.: Uhm... Why am I sending this mail if it doesn't say anything? :P -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: wanted: motu-sru members
Hi folks, Am Freitag 23 Mai 2008 15:48:31 schrieb Stephan Hermann: [..] > > Count me as candidate... > > \sh so it's Friday now, and Stephan is the only candidate so far (thanks again for volunteering, Stephan!). Imho voting doesn't make too much sense to me for this case, given that we don't have much choices. If you however still want a vote, or believe, that we should follow a different procedure *for this particular case* please reply until Monday evening. Otherwise I'd ask that Stephan gets added to motu-sru on Tuesday. Cheers, Stefan. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: wanted: motu-sru members
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Scott Kitterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: > >> What is the benefit of 2) ? Can't the MOTU team do the selection in the > >> voting? > >> If there's some people motu-sru would remove, I would hope for the MOTU > >> team to > >> remove them too in the voting. > > > > The large benefit of allowing the existing members of motu-sru to > > select amoung the volunteers is to ensure that the team works well > > together. If there is a removal with which MOTU disagree, such > > objection ought be raised in response to the motu-sru publication of > > the candidates. > > > > While I can't be entirely sure, I suspect there will be time > > between the publication of the slate of candidates and MOTU Council > > configuring the appropriate polls for selection. > > I am strongly opposed to pre-selection. We have had cases in the past > where a non-transparent pre-selection process resulted in a very limited > and from the perspective of at least a significant slice of the community > very unsuitable set of choices. > I'm also opposed to opaque membership processes, *however* I also think that current team members are in a good position (in most cases, IMO better than MOTU-at-large) to judge candidates. I personally think if MOTU are just going to pick random people because they've heard of them or something, then we're better off having MOTU SRU making pre-selections (not final selections). > As an organization consisting largely of volunteers, the legitimacy of our > management teams comes from the fact that MOTU have selected them. Once > there is a pre-selection, this legitimacy is lost. If someone volunteers > that might be problematic, I think that we should trust the MOTU to do the > right thing. Personally, I'm not at all opposed to MOTU discussing the > advantages and disadvantages of various candidates. That would, of > course, include the current motu-sru. I believe that whatever concerns > there may be that consider motu-sru to want pre-selection, I think that > with some constructive discussion as we move to a vote the can be managed > transparently in an effective way. > Well, I'm not sure if legitimacy is neccesarily lost. Some is I suppose is, but the team members are still MOTUs so the question is really whether a subset of MOTU should do some selection or whether the whole thing, top-to-bottom, should be handled by MOTU-at-large. Ideally I would like the entire MOTU team deciding teams but issues I see are: * many MOTU don't vote in the first place. I don't believe we've ever gotten over 50%. Most votes during MOTU Meetings are 4-8 people. * historically I don't see where we've been able to comprehensively vett people without devolving into a flamefest. * time consuming. Giving time for comments, time for nominatiions, time for voting, etc. can easily make the process of getting new members take at least 1 month. Perhaps we can put some things in place to mitigate these issues. /me crawls back under his rock. -Jordan -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: wanted: motu-sru members
Hi, Am Freitag 23 Mai 2008 18:53:25 schrieb Scott Kitterman: > > Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: > >> What is the benefit of 2) ? Can't the MOTU team do the selection in the > >> voting? > >> If there's some people motu-sru would remove, I would hope for the MOTU > >> team to > >> remove them too in the voting. > > > > The large benefit of allowing the existing members of motu-sru to > > select amoung the volunteers is to ensure that the team works well > > together. If there is a removal with which MOTU disagree, such > > objection ought be raised in response to the motu-sru publication of > > the candidates. heh, yeah... and since my request is for additional members to an existing team, I guess it's polite to ask them. > > > > While I can't be entirely sure, I suspect there will be time > > between the publication of the slate of candidates and MOTU Council > > configuring the appropriate polls for selection. > > I am strongly opposed to pre-selection. We have had cases in the past > where a non-transparent pre-selection process resulted in a very limited > and from the perspective of at least a significant slice of the community > very unsuitable set of choices. Ok, let me make s.th. clear: My proposal so far is aimed at *one* particular goal. To get motu-sru back to full strength *now*. It is *not* meant as a general policy for handling membership for motu key-teams. As Emilio noted in the gobby document, we need a good general policy, and I fully support this idea. However for this particular case (and that's why I didn't write s.th. about a MOTU vote in my initial mail), I just don't expect that there will be much to discuss. So far, only Stephan volunteered (thanks!), so unless more people will also volunteer, there won't be even much to vote about ;). So maybe we can agree to the following: - everyone volunteering to back up motu-sru please reply in this thread - in one week (Friday, 30th of May), we'll see how many applicants we have - and then we'll decide how to proceed, and if s.th. is worthwhile to vote on (which I really don't expect so far, but I hope you all prove me wrong by volunteering for motu-sru ;)). And for the general discussion about membership in key teams: I'll start a new thread about that, so please use that thread instead. (hah, so at least I invented a new tongue twister *g*.) Cheers, Stefan. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: wanted: motu-sru members
> Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: >> What is the benefit of 2) ? Can't the MOTU team do the selection in the >> voting? >> If there's some people motu-sru would remove, I would hope for the MOTU >> team to >> remove them too in the voting. > > The large benefit of allowing the existing members of motu-sru to > select amoung the volunteers is to ensure that the team works well > together. If there is a removal with which MOTU disagree, such > objection ought be raised in response to the motu-sru publication of > the candidates. > > While I can't be entirely sure, I suspect there will be time > between the publication of the slate of candidates and MOTU Council > configuring the appropriate polls for selection. I am strongly opposed to pre-selection. We have had cases in the past where a non-transparent pre-selection process resulted in a very limited and from the perspective of at least a significant slice of the community very unsuitable set of choices. As an organization consisting largely of volunteers, the legitimacy of our management teams comes from the fact that MOTU have selected them. Once there is a pre-selection, this legitimacy is lost. If someone volunteers that might be problematic, I think that we should trust the MOTU to do the right thing. Personally, I'm not at all opposed to MOTU discussing the advantages and disadvantages of various candidates. That would, of course, include the current motu-sru. I believe that whatever concerns there may be that consider motu-sru to want pre-selection, I think that with some constructive discussion as we move to a vote the can be managed transparently in an effective way. Scott K -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: wanted: motu-sru members
Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: > What is the benefit of 2) ? Can't the MOTU team do the selection in the > voting? > If there's some people motu-sru would remove, I would hope for the MOTU team > to > remove them too in the voting. The large benefit of allowing the existing members of motu-sru to select amoung the volunteers is to ensure that the team works well together. If there is a removal with which MOTU disagree, such objection ought be raised in response to the motu-sru publication of the candidates. While I can't be entirely sure, I suspect there will be time between the publication of the slate of candidates and MOTU Council configuring the appropriate polls for selection. -- Emmet HIKORY -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: wanted: motu-sru members
Stefan Potyra wrote: > How about the following: > 1) applicants reply in this thread > 2) motu-sru does a preselection > 3) we'll vote on the result What is the benefit of 2) ? Can't the MOTU team do the selection in the voting? If there's some people motu-sru would remove, I would hope for the MOTU team to remove them too in the voting. Cheers, Emilio signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: wanted: motu-sru members
Hi, Am Freitag 23 Mai 2008 16:11:30 schrieb Scott Kitterman: > > Stefan Potyra wrote: > >> @motu-sru: Once we have a number of applicants, can you select whom > >> you'd like > >> to see in your team? > > > > Shouldn't that be voted by the entire MOTU team? We need a clear process > > about > > this... (/me goes and adds it to the motu-processes Gobby document) > > I agree. That's how we've been appointing members lately. I vote is > needed. To be honest, I don't mind too much how it is done, as long as it is done soon. How about the following: 1) applicants reply in this thread 2) motu-sru does a preselection 3) we'll vote on the result Regardless of all, 1) needs to happen anyways, so please don't hesitate to reply if you are volunteering. Cheers, Stefan. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: wanted: motu-sru members
> Stefan Potyra wrote: >> @motu-sru: Once we have a number of applicants, can you select whom >> you'd like >> to see in your team? > > Shouldn't that be voted by the entire MOTU team? We need a clear process > about > this... (/me goes and adds it to the motu-processes Gobby document) I agree. That's how we've been appointing members lately. I vote is needed. Scott K -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: wanted: motu-sru members
Well, On Fri, 23 May 2008 15:20:05 +0200 Stefan Potyra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I'd like to call for volunteers to supplement the motu-sru team (see > [1]). > > Requirements: > * have a good understanding of the SRU process > * being able to work together with current team members > * ability to read and judge patches > > If you're up for it, please reply to this thread. > > @motu-sru: Once we have a number of applicants, can you select whom > you'd like to see in your team? > Count me as candidate... \sh -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: wanted: motu-sru members
Stefan Potyra wrote: > @motu-sru: Once we have a number of applicants, can you select whom you'd > like > to see in your team? Shouldn't that be voted by the entire MOTU team? We need a clear process about this... (/me goes and adds it to the motu-processes Gobby document) Cheers, Emilio signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
wanted: motu-sru members
Hi, I'd like to call for volunteers to supplement the motu-sru team (see [1]). Requirements: * have a good understanding of the SRU process * being able to work together with current team members * ability to read and judge patches If you're up for it, please reply to this thread. @motu-sru: Once we have a number of applicants, can you select whom you'd like to see in your team? Cheers, Stefan. -- [1]: <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-May/003873.html> signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: motu-sru extension?
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 8:34 AM, Luca Falavigna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Stefan Potyra ha scritto: > | with the sad news, that Jordan needs to focus his work on his PhD > thesis (good > | luck, Jordan!), I'm curious if motu-sru could benefit from additional > | member(s)? > | > | motu-sru, what do you think? > I also talked to Brandon Holtsclaw this week and he said that he is also unable to continue with MOTU SRU so he needs a replacement as well. > > Recently, motu-sru queue has grown a bit, since developers focused on > fixing Hardy packages which weren't touched in time for the release. > And this is really awesome to see. As much as we hate having to fix things post-release, itś great to see a commitment from developers and contributors to support our stable releases. Keep it up! > > Also, I'm mostly offline because my ISP hasn't restored my DSL line yet > (it's been more than a month... hope to have good news soon), so I guess > having more members can help to review outstanding bugs and to sponsor > packages in -proposed. > Yeah, if we have more members then people can be temporarily gone without negatively affecting the response time. > > We also talked about the possibility to improve SRU policy for > universe/multiverse packages to allow new bugfix releases go into > - -proposed (and -updates as well), but we need to check with Technical > Board and with stable releases managers (pitti or slangasek). > > I´m currently working on cleaning/clarifying the SRU wiki page and I´ll make sure that any outstanding SRU work I was doing get´s resolved or handed over. -Jordan -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: motu-sru extension?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stefan Potyra ha scritto: | with the sad news, that Jordan needs to focus his work on his PhD thesis (good | luck, Jordan!), I'm curious if motu-sru could benefit from additional | member(s)? | | motu-sru, what do you think? Recently, motu-sru queue has grown a bit, since developers focused on fixing Hardy packages which weren't touched in time for the release. Also, I'm mostly offline because my ISP hasn't restored my DSL line yet (it's been more than a month... hope to have good news soon), so I guess having more members can help to review outstanding bugs and to sponsor packages in -proposed. We also talked about the possibility to improve SRU policy for universe/multiverse packages to allow new bugfix releases go into - -proposed (and -updates as well), but we need to check with Technical Board and with stable releases managers (pitti or slangasek). Regards, - -- Luca Falavigna Ubuntu MOTU Developer GPG Key: 0x86BC2A50 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkgtqYcACgkQnXjXEYa8KlCvTACdGpc5MDslEbTNX3SoYPymZVFA jtAAn2smDGUfp9WAxgeO5Nj0pfu+pIgM =+2mL -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
Re: motu-sru extension?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 05:17:43PM CEST, Stefan Potyra wrote: > Hi folks, > > with the sad news, that Jordan needs to focus his work on his PhD thesis > (good > luck, Jordan!), I'm curious if motu-sru could benefit from additional > member(s)? > > motu-sru, what do you think? I think so, as I am not always able to give a lot of attention to it. i do what I can when I can, and wish I could do more, but I can't garentee to look at them every so often at a set time. So yes, I think so. Luke -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFILalcjVefwtBjIM4RApZGAKCgpwNgCbqKkPq5C4prtLMztTr8gACfWzbP mj4Ir35YeSTnswR8Jmk824A= =7vOO -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list Ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
