Re: [ubuntu-mythtv] Change Right/Left menu behavior?
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:14 AM, Yeechang Lee wrote: > Cliff Dunn says: > > I prefer the navigation of the Mythbuntu theme the way it currently is. > > This works great with my Logitech Harmony remotes' arrow keys. > > I'm the one who wrote to Thomas proposing the change to the theme. If > implemented, the change would not affect using LEFT and RIGHT to move > between the group and recording panes in the theme at all. The > proposal is to remove the use, hard-wired into the Mythbuntu theme, of > RIGHT as a synonym for OK/SELECT/MENU and LEFT as a synonym for > ESCAPE. > > The issue is to remove an inconsistency within the Mythbuntu > theme. Why does RIGHT sometimes mean OK/SELECT, sometimes mean MENU > (only in the right pane of Watch Recordings and nowhere else), and > sometimes actually mean RIGHT? Why does LEFT sometimes mean ESCAPE and > sometimes mean LEFT? There was a time, years ago, when having RIGHT as > a menu button synonym made some sense because back then mythfrontend > had two separate menus in Watch Recordings, but 0.23 fixed this and > only one menu button is now needed. The proposed change would make > LEFT and RIGHT work as (only) left and right everywhere, consistent > with other themes whether vertical or horizontal-oriented. > > If the above is the case then I am not opposed to the change and further, I believe it would be wise to stay consistent with the rest of the themes. Jeremy -- Ubuntu-mythtv mailing list Ubuntu-mythtv@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mythtv
Re: [ubuntu-mythtv] Change Right/Left menu behavior?
Cliff Dunn says: > I prefer the navigation of the Mythbuntu theme the way it currently is. > This works great with my Logitech Harmony remotes' arrow keys. I'm the one who wrote to Thomas proposing the change to the theme. If implemented, the change would not affect using LEFT and RIGHT to move between the group and recording panes in the theme at all. The proposal is to remove the use, hard-wired into the Mythbuntu theme, of RIGHT as a synonym for OK/SELECT/MENU and LEFT as a synonym for ESCAPE. The issue is to remove an inconsistency within the Mythbuntu theme. Why does RIGHT sometimes mean OK/SELECT, sometimes mean MENU (only in the right pane of Watch Recordings and nowhere else), and sometimes actually mean RIGHT? Why does LEFT sometimes mean ESCAPE and sometimes mean LEFT? There was a time, years ago, when having RIGHT as a menu button synonym made some sense because back then mythfrontend had two separate menus in Watch Recordings, but 0.23 fixed this and only one menu button is now needed. The proposed change would make LEFT and RIGHT work as (only) left and right everywhere, consistent with other themes whether vertical or horizontal-oriented. -- Ubuntu-mythtv mailing list Ubuntu-mythtv@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mythtv
Re: [ubuntu-mythtv] Change Right/Left menu behavior?
I prefer the navigation of the Mythbuntu theme the way it currently is. This works great with my Logitech Harmony remotes' arrow keys. However, the fact that I have a programmable remote means that I can configure my arrow keys to replicate almost any key sequence required. On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Thomas Mashos wrote: > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Jeremy Jones > wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Thomas Mashos > wrote: > >> > >> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 8:28 AM, Jeremy Jones > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Thomas Mashos > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Per my previous email, I've added this for discussion (it was sent to > >> >> me in a private email). > >> >> > >> >> "I noticed after migrating to 0.25 (I tend to keep my MythTV setups > >> >> stable for long periods) from 0.24 that the Mythbuntu theme was > >> >> hardwired to interpret RIGHT as Menu and LEFT as escape, à la the way > >> >> all themes behaved pre-0.22. > >> >> > >> >> Given that the great RIGHT/MENU controversy of 2009 is long past > >> >> us--with only one MENU button now needed and horizontal themes > >> >> common--I'd prefer to revert the theme to the 0.22-0.24 behavior of > >> >> having LEFT and RIGHT wrap and relying on the existing MENU and > >> >> ESCAPE bindings. Was there a reason for the change? Do you feel > >> >> strongly about it on eway or another?" > >> >> > >> > Being relatively new to MythTV (started in December of 2010) I am not > >> > familiar with the great 2009 controversy, nor do I understand what the > >> > post > >> > is talking about regarding the change. Unless the change was > >> > implemented in > >> > the most recent update that Thomas committed to the theme, mine is > still > >> > working the same as it always has, with the right arrow perorming a > >> > select > >> > of the item highlighted (for example in the Watch Recordings screen it > >> > moves > >> > from the selected category into the episodes list to the right). I > like > >> > the > >> > way that works now, and would be opposed to changing that, but I am > not > >> > sure > >> > if that is relevant to the posters question. > >> > > >> > Can someone please clarify? > >> > > >> > Jeremy > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Ubuntu-mythtv mailing list > >> > Ubuntu-mythtv@lists.ubuntu.com > >> > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > >> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mythtv > >> > > >> > >> Rather than hitting right to decend into the menus and left to ascend > >> back to the top, I believe themes generally require hitting OK to > >> decend and BACK to ascend in the menus. The default behavior for all > >> themes prior to 0.22 is what you see now in the Mythbuntu theme. This > >> default behavior had to change in 0.22 because in 0.22 themes are now > >> allowed to have horizontal menus (example > >> http://www.mythtv.org/w/images/7/71/Terra_menu3.png). If you open the > >> theme chooser and download another theme (IIRC, steppes) you should > >> see this behavior of having to hit OK rather than RIGHT to decend into > >> a menu. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Thomas Mashos > >> > >> > > So the post was asking about changing the MythBuntu Theme to match the > > operation of a horizontal theme? > > > > Why would that be needed? What functionality would be gained by doing > that? > > > > It seemed to be a post asking why a change was done when I read it, but > > based on your description the MythBuntu Theme is the same as all themes > were > > prior to 0.22, right? > > > > I for one like it the way it is. I would have a lot of complaints in my > > house if the right arrow suddenly didn't move the cursor over into the > > episodes pane on the watch recordings screen. I understand the > necessity of > > a horizontal theme, but I don't understand why we would change one that > does > > not necessitate that. > > > > Jeremy > > > > > > > > -- > > Ubuntu-mythtv mailing list > > Ubuntu-mythtv@lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mythtv > > > > Not exactly. The post was about changing menu navigation to work like > all the other vertical themes, which currently use the default of > OK/ESCAPE rather than RIGHT/LEFT. Currently (AFAIK) we differ in how > navigation is handled in our theme (RIGHT/LEFT) from all other themes > out there (OK/ESCAPE). > > Functionality wise I don't think we gain anything from doing it other > than consistency for people going from one vertical theme to another. > I'll let everyone else weigh in on their thoughts before I say which > way I prefer. > > Thanks, > > Thomas Mashos > > -- > Ubuntu-mythtv mailing list > Ubuntu-mythtv@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mythtv > -- Ubuntu-mythtv mailing list Ubuntu-mythtv@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/list
Re: [ubuntu-mythtv] Change Right/Left menu behavior?
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Jeremy Jones wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Thomas Mashos wrote: >> >> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 8:28 AM, Jeremy Jones >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Thomas Mashos >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Per my previous email, I've added this for discussion (it was sent to >> >> me in a private email). >> >> >> >> "I noticed after migrating to 0.25 (I tend to keep my MythTV setups >> >> stable for long periods) from 0.24 that the Mythbuntu theme was >> >> hardwired to interpret RIGHT as Menu and LEFT as escape, à la the way >> >> all themes behaved pre-0.22. >> >> >> >> Given that the great RIGHT/MENU controversy of 2009 is long past >> >> us--with only one MENU button now needed and horizontal themes >> >> common--I'd prefer to revert the theme to the 0.22-0.24 behavior of >> >> having LEFT and RIGHT wrap and relying on the existing MENU and >> >> ESCAPE bindings. Was there a reason for the change? Do you feel >> >> strongly about it on eway or another?" >> >> >> > Being relatively new to MythTV (started in December of 2010) I am not >> > familiar with the great 2009 controversy, nor do I understand what the >> > post >> > is talking about regarding the change. Unless the change was >> > implemented in >> > the most recent update that Thomas committed to the theme, mine is still >> > working the same as it always has, with the right arrow perorming a >> > select >> > of the item highlighted (for example in the Watch Recordings screen it >> > moves >> > from the selected category into the episodes list to the right). I like >> > the >> > way that works now, and would be opposed to changing that, but I am not >> > sure >> > if that is relevant to the posters question. >> > >> > Can someone please clarify? >> > >> > Jeremy >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Ubuntu-mythtv mailing list >> > Ubuntu-mythtv@lists.ubuntu.com >> > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mythtv >> > >> >> Rather than hitting right to decend into the menus and left to ascend >> back to the top, I believe themes generally require hitting OK to >> decend and BACK to ascend in the menus. The default behavior for all >> themes prior to 0.22 is what you see now in the Mythbuntu theme. This >> default behavior had to change in 0.22 because in 0.22 themes are now >> allowed to have horizontal menus (example >> http://www.mythtv.org/w/images/7/71/Terra_menu3.png). If you open the >> theme chooser and download another theme (IIRC, steppes) you should >> see this behavior of having to hit OK rather than RIGHT to decend into >> a menu. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Thomas Mashos >> >> > So the post was asking about changing the MythBuntu Theme to match the > operation of a horizontal theme? > > Why would that be needed? What functionality would be gained by doing that? > > It seemed to be a post asking why a change was done when I read it, but > based on your description the MythBuntu Theme is the same as all themes were > prior to 0.22, right? > > I for one like it the way it is. I would have a lot of complaints in my > house if the right arrow suddenly didn't move the cursor over into the > episodes pane on the watch recordings screen. I understand the necessity of > a horizontal theme, but I don't understand why we would change one that does > not necessitate that. > > Jeremy > > > > -- > Ubuntu-mythtv mailing list > Ubuntu-mythtv@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mythtv > Not exactly. The post was about changing menu navigation to work like all the other vertical themes, which currently use the default of OK/ESCAPE rather than RIGHT/LEFT. Currently (AFAIK) we differ in how navigation is handled in our theme (RIGHT/LEFT) from all other themes out there (OK/ESCAPE). Functionality wise I don't think we gain anything from doing it other than consistency for people going from one vertical theme to another. I'll let everyone else weigh in on their thoughts before I say which way I prefer. Thanks, Thomas Mashos -- Ubuntu-mythtv mailing list Ubuntu-mythtv@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mythtv
Re: [ubuntu-mythtv] Change Right/Left menu behavior?
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Thomas Mashos wrote: > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 8:28 AM, Jeremy Jones > wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Thomas Mashos > wrote: > >> > >> Per my previous email, I've added this for discussion (it was sent to > >> me in a private email). > >> > >> "I noticed after migrating to 0.25 (I tend to keep my MythTV setups > >> stable for long periods) from 0.24 that the Mythbuntu theme was > >> hardwired to interpret RIGHT as Menu and LEFT as escape, à la the way > >> all themes behaved pre-0.22. > >> > >> Given that the great RIGHT/MENU controversy of 2009 is long past > >> us--with only one MENU button now needed and horizontal themes > >> common--I'd prefer to revert the theme to the 0.22-0.24 behavior of > >> having LEFT and RIGHT wrap and relying on the existing MENU and > >> ESCAPE bindings. Was there a reason for the change? Do you feel > >> strongly about it on eway or another?" > >> > > Being relatively new to MythTV (started in December of 2010) I am not > > familiar with the great 2009 controversy, nor do I understand what the > post > > is talking about regarding the change. Unless the change was > implemented in > > the most recent update that Thomas committed to the theme, mine is still > > working the same as it always has, with the right arrow perorming a > select > > of the item highlighted (for example in the Watch Recordings screen it > moves > > from the selected category into the episodes list to the right). I like > the > > way that works now, and would be opposed to changing that, but I am not > sure > > if that is relevant to the posters question. > > > > Can someone please clarify? > > > > Jeremy > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Ubuntu-mythtv mailing list > > Ubuntu-mythtv@lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mythtv > > > > Rather than hitting right to decend into the menus and left to ascend > back to the top, I believe themes generally require hitting OK to > decend and BACK to ascend in the menus. The default behavior for all > themes prior to 0.22 is what you see now in the Mythbuntu theme. This > default behavior had to change in 0.22 because in 0.22 themes are now > allowed to have horizontal menus (example > http://www.mythtv.org/w/images/7/71/Terra_menu3.png). If you open the > theme chooser and download another theme (IIRC, steppes) you should > see this behavior of having to hit OK rather than RIGHT to decend into > a menu. > > Thanks, > > Thomas Mashos > > > So the post was asking about changing the MythBuntu Theme to match the operation of a horizontal theme? Why would that be needed? What functionality would be gained by doing that? It seemed to be a post asking why a change was done when I read it, but based on your description the MythBuntu Theme is the same as all themes were prior to 0.22, right? I for one like it the way it is. I would have a lot of complaints in my house if the right arrow suddenly didn't move the cursor over into the episodes pane on the watch recordings screen. I understand the necessity of a horizontal theme, but I don't understand why we would change one that does not necessitate that. Jeremy -- Ubuntu-mythtv mailing list Ubuntu-mythtv@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mythtv
Re: [ubuntu-mythtv] Change Right/Left menu behavior?
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 8:28 AM, Jeremy Jones wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Thomas Mashos wrote: >> >> Per my previous email, I've added this for discussion (it was sent to >> me in a private email). >> >> "I noticed after migrating to 0.25 (I tend to keep my MythTV setups >> stable for long periods) from 0.24 that the Mythbuntu theme was >> hardwired to interpret RIGHT as Menu and LEFT as escape, à la the way >> all themes behaved pre-0.22. >> >> Given that the great RIGHT/MENU controversy of 2009 is long past >> us--with only one MENU button now needed and horizontal themes >> common--I'd prefer to revert the theme to the 0.22-0.24 behavior of >> having LEFT and RIGHT wrap and relying on the existing MENU and >> ESCAPE bindings. Was there a reason for the change? Do you feel >> strongly about it on eway or another?" >> > Being relatively new to MythTV (started in December of 2010) I am not > familiar with the great 2009 controversy, nor do I understand what the post > is talking about regarding the change. Unless the change was implemented in > the most recent update that Thomas committed to the theme, mine is still > working the same as it always has, with the right arrow perorming a select > of the item highlighted (for example in the Watch Recordings screen it moves > from the selected category into the episodes list to the right). I like the > way that works now, and would be opposed to changing that, but I am not sure > if that is relevant to the posters question. > > Can someone please clarify? > > Jeremy > > > > > -- > Ubuntu-mythtv mailing list > Ubuntu-mythtv@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mythtv > Rather than hitting right to decend into the menus and left to ascend back to the top, I believe themes generally require hitting OK to decend and BACK to ascend in the menus. The default behavior for all themes prior to 0.22 is what you see now in the Mythbuntu theme. This default behavior had to change in 0.22 because in 0.22 themes are now allowed to have horizontal menus (example http://www.mythtv.org/w/images/7/71/Terra_menu3.png). If you open the theme chooser and download another theme (IIRC, steppes) you should see this behavior of having to hit OK rather than RIGHT to decend into a menu. Thanks, Thomas Mashos -- Ubuntu-mythtv mailing list Ubuntu-mythtv@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mythtv
Re: [ubuntu-mythtv] Change Right/Left menu behavior?
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Thomas Mashos wrote: > Per my previous email, I've added this for discussion (it was sent to > me in a private email). > > "I noticed after migrating to 0.25 (I tend to keep my MythTV setups > stable for long periods) from 0.24 that the Mythbuntu theme was > hardwired to interpret RIGHT as Menu and LEFT as escape, à la the way > all themes behaved pre-0.22. > > Given that the great RIGHT/MENU controversy of 2009 is long past > us--with only one MENU button now needed and horizontal themes > common--I'd prefer to revert the theme to the 0.22-0.24 behavior of > having LEFT and RIGHT wrap and relying on the existing MENU and > ESCAPE bindings. Was there a reason for the change? Do you feel > strongly about it on eway or another?" > > Being relatively new to MythTV (started in December of 2010) I am not familiar with the great 2009 controversy, nor do I understand what the post is talking about regarding the change. Unless the change was implemented in the most recent update that Thomas committed to the theme, mine is still working the same as it always has, with the right arrow perorming a select of the item highlighted (for example in the Watch Recordings screen it moves from the selected category into the episodes list to the right). I like the way that works now, and would be opposed to changing that, but I am not sure if that is relevant to the posters question. Can someone please clarify? Jeremy -- Ubuntu-mythtv mailing list Ubuntu-mythtv@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mythtv
[ubuntu-mythtv] Change Right/Left menu behavior?
Per my previous email, I've added this for discussion (it was sent to me in a private email). "I noticed after migrating to 0.25 (I tend to keep my MythTV setups stable for long periods) from 0.24 that the Mythbuntu theme was hardwired to interpret RIGHT as Menu and LEFT as escape, à la the way all themes behaved pre-0.22. Given that the great RIGHT/MENU controversy of 2009 is long past us--with only one MENU button now needed and horizontal themes common--I'd prefer to revert the theme to the 0.22-0.24 behavior of having LEFT and RIGHT wrap and relying on the existing MENU and ESCAPE bindings. Was there a reason for the change? Do you feel strongly about it on eway or another?" Thanks, Thomas Mashos -- Ubuntu-mythtv mailing list Ubuntu-mythtv@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mythtv
