Re: [Ubuntu-phone] A very open thank you.

[Matthias Apitz]

El día Tuesday, June 14, 2016 a las 08:37:34AM +0100, Gareth France escribió:

> I just wanted to say thanks to the Facebook team for breaking the 
> website for me. Where is the logic behind removing the ability to 
> message people for anyone who doesn't have an apple or android device? 
> Oh and the message asking me to download the app is just pouring salt 
> into the wound by the way!

Despite of collecting data and other reasons, shouldn't this not already
reason enough for not using Facebook at all.

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] A very open thank you.

[Gareth France]

On 14/06/16 08:43, Matthias Apitz wrote:

Despite of collecting data and other reasons, shouldn't this not already
reason enough for not using Facebook at all.

matthias
Agreed but the sad reality is that everyone uses facebook so unless you 
want to be isolated from them you have to as well. Vicious circle. And 
you can't say they don't matter, otherwise we wouldn't have an app 
installed as standard, they've got the world cornered so I guess that's 
why they can make these bad decisions with no thought for the little guy.


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[Ubuntu-phone] A very open thank you.

[Gareth France]

I just wanted to say thanks to the Facebook team for breaking the 
website for me. Where is the logic behind removing the ability to 
message people for anyone who doesn't have an apple or android device? 
Oh and the message asking me to download the app is just pouring salt 
into the wound by the way!


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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] A very open thank you.

[Mitchell Reese]

Only an issue on the mobile site... desktop version in browser doesn't have 
this issue - fine on my M10. But yeah, what a sucky thing to do...


Mitchell

On Tuesday, 14 June 2016 5:46:24 PM AEST, Gareth France 
 wrote:

On 14/06/16 08:43, Matthias Apitz wrote:

Despite of collecting data and other reasons, shouldn't this not already
reason enough for not using Facebook at all.

matthias
Agreed but the sad reality is that everyone uses facebook so unless you 
want to be isolated from them you have to as well. Vicious circle. And 
you can't say they don't matter, otherwise we wouldn't have an app 
installed as standard, they've got the world cornered so I guess that's 
why they can make these bad decisions with no thought for the little guy.






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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] A very open thank you.

[Melvin Carvalho]

On 14 June 2016 at 10:10, Ivo Xavier  wrote:

> Don't loose faith, an app for messenger/facebook will come one day. The
> thing I'm afraid is that, on that day, facebook is no longer the
> 'dictator'. Now serious. It's really bad for non iOs and droid users beeing
> banned from the party. Also it's bad for Ubuntu, and Canonical should try
> to talk with Mark Zuckerberg. Apart from that, you could try to bring your
> contacts you talk the most for Telegram or even Hangouts, I bet they'll
> understand. If you use facebook for professional reasons, well... Good luck.
>

Yes I think an open source alternative will come one day.  I personally
have worked on an open source decentralized social network and chat app:

Here's some screenshots:
https://www.gitbook.com/book/melvincarvalho/solid-social/details

Which is based on Tim Berners-Lee's new decentralized platform, Solid :

https://github.com/solid/solid/

(PS it's awesome!) :)

It's just a lot of work for one person.  And the free software alternatives
out there dont really provide enough decentralization to offer the users
freedom.  I'll continue to work on this, and all my development is
primarily done with ubuntu desktop / phone / tablet as a target.  Im hoping
that this will start to be usable later this year.

What would be needed to deliver this kind of thing more easily to Ubuntu is
to enhance the "Public" folder a bit so that it can have access to the
web.  Then let 1000 apps bloom.

>
>
> Big hug :)
>
>
> Em terça-feira, 14 de Junho de 2016 08:37:34 WEST, Gareth France <
> gareth.fra...@gmail.com> escreveu:
>
>> I just wanted to say thanks to the Facebook team for breaking the website
>> for me. Where is the logic behind removing the ability to message people
>> for anyone who doesn't have an apple or android device? Oh and the message
>> asking me to download the app is just pouring salt into the wound by the
>> way!
>>
>>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] A very open thank you.

[Ivo Xavier]

Don't loose faith, an app for messenger/facebook will come one day. The 
thing I'm afraid is that, on that day, facebook is no longer the 
'dictator'. Now serious. It's really bad for non iOs and droid users beeing 
banned from the party. Also it's bad for Ubuntu, and Canonical should try 
to talk with Mark Zuckerberg. Apart from that, you could try to bring your 
contacts you talk the most for Telegram or even Hangouts, I bet they'll 
understand. If you use facebook for professional reasons, well... Good 
luck.


Big hug :)


Em terça-feira, 14 de Junho de 2016 08:37:34 WEST, Gareth France 
 escreveu:
I just wanted to say thanks to the Facebook team for breaking the 
website for me. Where is the logic behind removing the ability to 
message people for anyone who doesn't have an apple or android device? 
Oh and the message asking me to download the app is just pouring salt 
into the wound by the way!






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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] A very open thank you.

[Wayne Ward]

Pretty gats isnt it 
it stiil works ok on the M10 
ive tried messenger apps but they are no good - so yes its very odd and
i dont see the point?

Wayne

On Tue, 2016-06-14 at 08:37 +0100, Gareth France wrote:
> I just wanted to say thanks to the Facebook team for breaking the 
> website for me. Where is the logic behind removing the ability to 
> message people for anyone who doesn't have an apple or android
> device? 
> Oh and the message asking me to download the app is just pouring
> salt 
> into the wound by the way!
> 

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] A very open thank you.

[nick luigi eusebio]

I can still message in the facebook webapp in both the Canonical and Mitchel's 
version.

  From: Wayne Ward 
 To: ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:47 AM
 Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-phone] A very open thank you.
   
Pretty gats isnt it 
it stiil works ok on the M10 
ive tried messenger apps but they are no good - so yes its very odd and
i dont see the point?

Wayne

On Tue, 2016-06-14 at 08:37 +0100, Gareth France wrote:
> I just wanted to say thanks to the Facebook team for breaking the 
> website for me. Where is the logic behind removing the ability to 
> message people for anyone who doesn't have an apple or android
> device? 
> Oh and the message asking me to download the app is just pouring
> salt 
> into the wound by the way!
> 

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] A very open thank you.

[Phil]

On Tue, 14/6/16, Wayne Ward  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-phone] A very open thank you.
 To: ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net
 Date: Tuesday, 14 June, 2016, 9:47
 
 Pretty gats isnt it 
 it stiil works ok on the M10 
 ive tried messenger apps but they are no good -
 so yes its very odd and
 i dont see the
 point?
 
 Wayne



There was a large glut of people uninstalling the app (from Android, at least, 
but I suspect iOS was the same) a short while ago after it became more and more 
intrusive, and they went back to the web client.  I suspect this is Facebook's 
kickback against that.  Yeah, just try to get people to install Telegram 
alongside it - at least it's free and quite easy to do, so you may be able to 
get some converts.  I don't know how well the full site views on a phone - if 
it's usable, you could create a web-app with a desktop user agent string so you 
get the full site on your phone (and still keep the site sandboxed).  That's 
what I did with an app I knocked up and pushed up to the store - Fatter: which 
gives a full-fat Twitter experience (e.g. you can control list membership, etc).


 On Tue, 2016-06-14 at 08:37 +0100, Gareth
 France wrote:
 > I just wanted to say
 thanks to the Facebook team for breaking the 
 > website for me. Where is the logic behind
 removing the ability to 
 > message
 people for anyone who doesn't have an apple or
 android
 > device? 
 >
 Oh and the message asking me to download the app is just
 pouring
 > salt 
 >
 into the wound by the way!
 > 
 
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] A very open thank you.

[Daniel Wood]

This sounds like a good opportunity to start a little community app!!

A couple of questions:

1. Can the facebook messages be accessed via any of the official facebook
APIs?
2. Are there any opensource libraries to connect to facebook (C++,
Javascript or Python)

Any work that we can do here could possibly translate in to a messaging
plugin once the messaging framework is ready.

Any one fancy doing a bit of research to see whats available?

Thanks,

Dan

On 14 June 2016 at 09:47, Wayne Ward  wrote:

> Pretty gats isnt it
> it stiil works ok on the M10
> ive tried messenger apps but they are no good - so yes its very odd and
> i dont see the point?
>
> Wayne
>
> On Tue, 2016-06-14 at 08:37 +0100, Gareth France wrote:
> > I just wanted to say thanks to the Facebook team for breaking the
> > website for me. Where is the logic behind removing the ability to
> > message people for anyone who doesn't have an apple or android
> > device?
> > Oh and the message asking me to download the app is just pouring
> > salt
> > into the wound by the way!
> >
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] A very open thank you.

[Yarid Andrea Guglielmetti]

Hi, i not like the decisions of Facebook but Fmessenger working for me on
BQ E4.5. Bye

Il martedì 14 giugno 2016, Melvin Carvalho  ha
scritto:
>
>
> On 14 June 2016 at 10:10, Ivo Xavier  wrote:
>>
>> Don't loose faith, an app for messenger/facebook will come one day. The
thing I'm afraid is that, on that day, facebook is no longer the
'dictator'. Now serious. It's really bad for non iOs and droid users beeing
banned from the party. Also it's bad for Ubuntu, and Canonical should try
to talk with Mark Zuckerberg. Apart from that, you could try to bring your
contacts you talk the most for Telegram or even Hangouts, I bet they'll
understand. If you use facebook for professional reasons, well... Good luck.
>
> Yes I think an open source alternative will come one day.  I personally
have worked on an open source decentralized social network and chat app:
>
> Here's some screenshots:
https://www.gitbook.com/book/melvincarvalho/solid-social/details
>
> Which is based on Tim Berners-Lee's new decentralized platform, Solid :
>
> https://github.com/solid/solid/
>
> (PS it's awesome!) :)
>
> It's just a lot of work for one person.  And the free software
alternatives out there dont really provide enough decentralization to offer
the users freedom.  I'll continue to work on this, and all my development
is primarily done with ubuntu desktop / phone / tablet as a target.  Im
hoping that this will start to be usable later this year.
>
> What would be needed to deliver this kind of thing more easily to Ubuntu
is to enhance the "Public" folder a bit so that it can have access to the
web.  Then let 1000 apps bloom.
>
>>
>> Big hug :)
>>
>>
>> Em terça-feira, 14 de Junho de 2016 08:37:34 WEST, Gareth France <
gareth.fra...@gmail.com> escreveu:
>>>
>>> I just wanted to say thanks to the Facebook team for breaking the
website for me. Where is the logic behind removing the ability to message
people for anyone who doesn't have an apple or android device? Oh and the
message asking me to download the app is just pouring salt into the wound
by the way!
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] A very open thank you.

[Dave Morley]

On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 08:50:55 + (UTC)
nick luigi eusebio  wrote:

> I can still message in the facebook webapp in both the Canonical and
> Mitchel's version.
> 
>   From: Wayne Ward 
>  To: ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net 
>  Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:47 AM
>  Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-phone] A very open thank you.
>
> Pretty gats isnt it 
> it stiil works ok on the M10 
> ive tried messenger apps but they are no good - so yes its very odd
> and i dont see the point?
> 
> Wayne
> 
> On Tue, 2016-06-14 at 08:37 +0100, Gareth France wrote:
> > I just wanted to say thanks to the Facebook team for breaking the 
> > website for me. Where is the logic behind removing the ability to 
> > message people for anyone who doesn't have an apple or android
> > device? 
> > Oh and the message asking me to download the app is just pouring
> > salt 
> > into the wound by the way!
> >   
> 

That is because Facebook have dropped it completely from their web
interface in favour of the facebook messenger app which means they get
to double their revenue from adverts :)


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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] A very open thank you.

[Felipe Salvador]

owaqQHYU   GGGklm, 4b  n tue, jun 14, 2016 at 08:37:34am +0100, 
gareth france wrote:
> i just wanted to say thanks to the facebook team for breaking the website
> for me. where is the logic behind removing the ability to message people for
> anyone who doesn't have an apple or android device? oh and the message
> asking me to download the app is just pouring salt into the wound by the
> way!
> 
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So a proprietary services provider doesn't share his services with FOSS
community. Old story, I'm not surprised at all.

On the other hand, I'm surprised that Ubuntu, as a part of FOSS community,
doesn't endorse projects like Diaspora, GNU Social (but also XMPP and other open
protocols/standars) and so on, with an official implementation.

There's a lot of opportunity in FOSS, trace your path in freedom Ubuntu, be the
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] A very open thank you.

[Ivo Xavier]

Why don't we start campaign to get funds to pay facebook to port the app 
?Since we paid for it, ads would'nt be a problem. If messenger for ubuntu 
was a paid app,I would paid for it. Facebook doesn't know that. People 
could pay to have a Facebook 'premium' without ads. Anyone have Zuckerber 
phone number? He should know this.


Em terça-feira, 14 de Junho de 2016 10:27:05 WEST, Dave Morley 
 escreveu:

On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 08:50:55 + (UTC)
nick luigi eusebio  wrote:


I can still message in the facebook webapp in both the Canonical and
Mitchel's version.

  From: Wayne Ward 
 To: ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:47 AM

 Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-phone] A very open thank you.
   
Pretty gats isnt it 
it stiil works ok on the M10 
ive tried messenger apps but they are no good - so yes its very odd

and i dont see the point?

Wayne

On Tue, 2016-06-14 at 08:37 +0100, Gareth France wrote:
> I just wanted to say thanks to the Facebook team for breaking the 
> website for me. Where is the logic behind removing the ability to 
> message people for anyone who doesn't have an apple or android
> device? 
> Oh and the message asking me to download the app is just pouring
> salt 
> into the wound by the way!
>   



That is because Facebook have dropped it completely from their web
interface in favour of the facebook messenger app which means they get
to double their revenue from adverts :)






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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] A very open thank you.

[Phil]

I don't think Facebook would be interested in people's money (directly) - I 
think they'd be much more interested in a constant advertising stream and 
access to your data.  Though in UT this is nicely sandboxed, so they'd only get 
what data you used via the app, rather than having carte-blanche to everything 
that's set up in the security permissions, as happens with iOS and Android (so 
I think this would be a _lot_ less attractive to them).


On Tue, 14/6/16, Ivo Xavier  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-phone] A very open thank you.
 To: ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net
 Date: Tuesday, 14 June, 2016, 10:54
 
 Why don't we start
 campaign to get funds to pay facebook to port the app 
 ?Since we paid for it, ads would'nt be a
 problem. If messenger for ubuntu 
 was a paid
 app,I would paid for it. Facebook doesn't know that.
 People 
 could pay to have a Facebook
 'premium' without ads. Anyone have Zuckerber 
 phone number? He should know this.
 
 Em terça-feira, 14 de Junho
 de 2016 10:27:05 WEST, Dave Morley 
 
 escreveu:
 > On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 08:50:55
 + (UTC)
 > nick luigi eusebio 
 wrote:
 > 
 >> I can
 still message in the facebook webapp in both the Canonical
 and
 >> Mitchel's version.
 >> 
 >>   
    From: Wayne Ward 
 >>  To: ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net
 
 >>  Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016
 10:47 AM
 >>  Subject: Re:
 [Ubuntu-phone] A very open thank you.
 >>    
 >> Pretty
 gats isnt it 
 >> it stiil works ok on
 the M10 
 >> ive tried messenger apps
 but they are no good - so yes its very odd
 >> and i dont see the point?
 >> 
 >> Wayne
 >> 
 >> On Tue,
 2016-06-14 at 08:37 +0100, Gareth France wrote:
 >> > I just wanted to say thanks to
 the Facebook team for breaking the 
 >>
 > website for me. Where is the logic behind removing the
 ability to 
 >> > message people for
 anyone who doesn't have an apple or android
 >> > device? 
 >>
 > Oh and the message asking me to download the app is
 just pouring
 >> > salt 
 >> > into the wound by the way!
 >> >   
 >> 
 > 
 > That is because Facebook have dropped it
 completely from their web
 > interface in
 favour of the facebook messenger app which means they get
 > to double their revenue from adverts :)
 > 
 > 
 
 
 
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] A very open thank you.

[Melvin Carvalho]

On 14 June 2016 at 11:51, Felipe Salvador  wrote:

> owaqQHYU   GGGklm, 4b  n tue, jun 14, 2016 at 08:37:34am
> +0100, gareth france wrote:
> > i just wanted to say thanks to the facebook team for breaking the website
> > for me. where is the logic behind removing the ability to message people
> for
> > anyone who doesn't have an apple or android device? oh and the message
> > asking me to download the app is just pouring salt into the wound by the
> > way!
> >
> > --
>
> So a proprietary services provider doesn't share his services with FOSS
> community. Old story, I'm not surprised at all.
>
> On the other hand, I'm surprised that Ubuntu, as a part of FOSS community,
> doesn't endorse projects like Diaspora, GNU Social (but also XMPP and
> other open
> protocols/standars) and so on, with an official implementation.
>

The reason that the FOSS social web hasnt taken off is endorsement of
products that dont scale and you end up replacing one silo with another.

>
>
> There's a lot of opportunity in FOSS, trace your path in freedom Ubuntu,
> be the
> free (as in freedom) and open alternative.
>

The FOSS social web is a pretty terrible landscape, with 99% trying to
evangelize non interoperable solutions.

The real failure was not to listen to Tim Berners-Lee who explained how to
design the social web the same way as the original web.  Or simply swallow
your pride and clone facebook exactly, but allow cross domain
communication.  Essentially these projects have gone sideways for years,
and will continue to do so.  Hopefully a new breed will bring a solution
closer.

If Ubuntu endorsed something good it would make a difference.  But GNU
social and diaspora are not it.  In fact I did talk to mattl about building
the social tier of GNU social, but I just didnt have enough resource and so
the largely abandoned status.net was inherited.

Free software and ubuntu need a first class social experience.  I think the
way forward is more along the lines of everyone owning their own data on
their OS (phone, tablet, desktop, server) and then allowing those data
stores to start to communicate with each other.  Maybe if a revamped Ubuntu
One was added at some point in the future, and adopted, say, Solid.  There
would be real potential.  I hope to get time to build it, but probably
would need the next LTS cycle to make it mature enough to use.


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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] A very open thank you.

[Alan Bell]

If you are looking for the one true branded social platform at one URL 
and with all humans of the world on it, and you want the Ubuntu phone to 
support it then you are doing it wrong. The whole webapp approach based 
on Url patterns seems to be doing it wrong. it supports single url 
instances of software as a service platforms. We have a lens that works 
for bbc.co.uk, a webapp that works for gmail.com etc, they are built to 
work with fixed fully qualified domain names owned by other people.
What would be cool is having the webapp architecture work so that you 
can build a webapp for "elgg instances" so you can go to 
https://elgg.org/ and install elgg on your Ubuntu server for your tennis 
club or school or software community and we have a client for the Ubuntu 
phone that works well with software on your Ubuntu server. Not a client 
on your Ubuntu phone that works OK with a specific proprietary SaaS 
platform that hates freedom.


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[Ubuntu-phone] We have unleashed the LXD based SDK

[Zoltán Balogh]

And calling for beta testers

https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/blog/2016/06/14/calling-testers-new-ubuntu-sdk-ide-post/

cheers,

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] A very open thank you.

[Oliver Grawert]

hi,
Am Dienstag, den 14.06.2016, 11:39 +0100 schrieb Alan Bell:
> If you are looking for the one true branded social platform at one
> URL 
> and with all humans of the world on it, and you want the Ubuntu phone
> to 
> support it then you are doing it wrong. The whole webapp approach
> based 
> on Url patterns seems to be doing it wrong. it supports single url 
> instances of software as a service platforms. We have a lens that
> works 
> for bbc.co.uk, a webapp that works for gmail.com etc, they are built
> to 
> work with fixed fully qualified domain names owned by other people.
> What would be cool is having the webapp architecture work so that
> you 
> can build a webapp for "elgg instances" so you can go to 
> https://elgg.org/ and install elgg on your Ubuntu server for your
> tennis 
> club or school or software community and we have a client for the
> Ubuntu 
> phone that works well with software on your Ubuntu server. Not a
> client 
> on your Ubuntu phone that works OK with a specific proprietary SaaS 
> platform that hates freedom.

right, you would just have a snappy cloud instance (or your rpi at home
running snappy) that has the backend server as a snap to provide you
what you need, including full notification support etc in a safe, self
hosted way ...

ciao
oli

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] A very open thank you.

[Gareth France]

On 14/06/16 10:02, Yarid Andrea Guglielmetti wrote:
Hi, i not like the decisions of Facebook but Fmessenger working for me 
on BQ E4.5. Bye
Excellent, but I have always avoided a dedicated messenger app, I never 
liked the idea of splitting a web page in two.


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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] We have unleashed the LXD based SDK

[Leonardo "LeartS" Donelli]

This sounds really, really great. I have a very very limited
experience with the SDK/IDE (just trying some things around) but
already encountered basically all the issues described in the preface.
Good job.

On 14 June 2016 at 13:38, Zoltán Balogh  wrote:
> And calling for beta testers
>
> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/blog/2016/06/14/calling-testers-new-ubuntu-sdk-ide-post/
>
> cheers,
>
> bzoltan
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[Ubuntu-phone] ANNOUNCEMENT: Bileto jobs are now cancellable.

[Robert Park]

Hello,

Just a quick update that the jobs which run in bileto (currently the
build & diff jobs, hopefully more soon), are now cancellable. When you
run jobs you'll now see a big cancel button in the log output as long
as the job is still running.

This cancellation is much more sophisticated than the jenkins
cancellation feature. Under jenkins it would simply kill the process,
but the bileto cancellation is more polite and requests the process to
shutdown, which it does only at certain safe points.

In particular, once the job begins uploading packages to the PPA, the
cancellation requests will be ignored, so it should not be possible to
cancel uploads halfway through uploading and get an inconsistent PPA
as a result. Cancelling is however possible throughout the merging and
source build stages of the build job, which takes up most of the time.

If you realize you need to cancel a build, best be quick on that
cancel button! The average run time for the build job is just 3
minutes and 18 seconds.

As always, please do let me know if you have any troubles with this or
anything else at ci-train.ubuntu.com.

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[Ubuntu-phone] Two bugs regarding screen/touch

[Krzysztof Tataradziński]

Hello,

Please see below bugs

https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1592412
https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1592417

Personally, above prevents me from using my phone, it's unusable most of time.
Does them also affect you?

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Band aids for Ubuntu Phone

[Julia Palandri]

Hi Alan,

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 7:11 PM, Alan Bell  wrote:

> This is an interesting initiative, how do bugs get on this list? There are
> things I would like to fix, principally the fact that my phone thinks that
> I am currently still where I was on Saturday evening
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/location-service/+bug/1554604
> but that is an opinion. How do I get a bug into a "patches welcome" state?
>
>
well, I guess all bugs are in that state for default :D

For this project in particular, the idea is to have bugs that are, let's
say, "ready to be implemented", this is, that won't require a hard load of
decision making. I see that the bug you sent implies a design decision on
how the phone should behave, so it might not be suitable for this.

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Two bugs regarding screen/touch

[Krzysztof Tataradziński]

Maybe, for now I corrected titles.
But does that affect anyone else? I came back from Android and I don't
want to go back. But these two bugs causing that I can't use my phone
most of time.

Best regards,
Krzysztof Tataradziński
https://launchpad.net/~ktatar156

2016-06-14 16:31 GMT+02:00 Matthias Apitz :
> El día Tuesday, June 14, 2016 a las 04:08:38PM +0200, Krzysztof Tataradziński 
> escribió:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Please see below bugs
>>
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1592412
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1592417
>
> They seem only affect (if at all) the MX4, not the BQ E4.5.
>
> matthias
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] pulseaudio: no control of volume with baresip

[Matthias Apitz]

El día Monday, June 13, 2016 a las 08:57:00AM +0200, Matthias Apitz escribió:

> I have one observation re/ the audio during the SIP calls:
> 
> baresip uses its pulseaudio driver pulse.so and this seems to contact
> and work with a process 'pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog' running
> in the device. One has no control over the volume of the conversation.
> Even if you mute the volume with the button on the side of the phone
> completely, the volume has the same value. More, you cant even make
> calls without using a headset due to the problem of local recording from
> the loudspeaker.

It seems (reading the man page, untested) that with pactl one can
control the volume:

pactl set-sink-volume SINK VOLUME

I'm wondering why there is no GUI support for this in the BQ and/or why
the normal volume control does not address as well pulseaudio; is
this just a bug or by intention?

matthias

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Two bugs regarding screen/touch

[Matthias Apitz]

El día Tuesday, June 14, 2016 a las 04:08:38PM +0200, Krzysztof Tataradziński 
escribió:

> Hello,
> 
> Please see below bugs
> 
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1592412
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1592417

They seem only affect (if at all) the MX4, not the BQ E4.5.

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[Ubuntu-phone] Landing team 14.06.16

[Lukasz Zemczak]

Hello everyone!

Today we only had a few selective landings, meaning: a ciborium
release fixing the arm64 builds, touch seed updates and a new upstream
backport version of network manager (1.2.2).

The aforementioned seed changes basically removed the
ubuntu-pocket-desktop meta-package and seeds as they are no longer
needed. We also added the required libertine packages to the touch
seeds, enabling us to finally merge PD and touch together. There are
no longer two separate rootfses for frieza/cooler and the rest. We're
still waiting for the updated custom tarballs though, but once those
are ready we'll resume frieza/cooler builds on system-image. The turbo
devices will also get a separate PD-related channel now.

In the meantime, if you're a developer be sure to check out two other
posts on this mailing list: beta-testing of the SDK [1] and the Band
Aids [2].

Cheers!

[1] https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg21146.html
[2] https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg21125.html


* What landed in our images:
http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/landing-team/ubuntu-touch

#357 rc-proposed/krillin
- 
http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/landing-team/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en/krillin/357.commitlog

#351 rc-proposed/vegetahd
- 
http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/landing-team/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en/vegetahd/351.commitlog

#350 rc-proposed/arale
- 
http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/landing-team/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/meizu.en/arale/350.commitlog

#124 rc-proposed/frieza
- 
http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/landing-team/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris-pd.en/frieza/124.commitlog


* Some useful documentation:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LandingTeam

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/citrain/RTMLandingApproaches
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/citrain/LandingProcess
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LandingTeam/ReleaseSchedule
http://developer.ubuntu.com/start/ubuntu-for-devices/image-channels/

https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/
https://trello.com/b/AE3swczu/silo-testing
http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/issues/
https://lists.launchpad.net/landing-team-changes/
https://lists.launchpad.net/landing-team-changes+1/


* Blocking issues (stable):

** Ubuntu-emulator no network on latest image
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phablet-tools/+bug/1587808


* Blocking issues (devel):

** devel-proposed - android lxc container fails to start
https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1551150
 -> Fix present! Should be working soon


* Issues in need of attention:

None.


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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Band aids for Ubuntu Phone

[Alan Bell]

On 14/06/16 15:42, Julia Palandri wrote:

well, I guess all bugs are in that state for default :D

well, not really, when things are designed not to function it is not so easy


For this project in particular, the idea is to have bugs that are, 
let's say, "ready to be implemented", this is, that won't require a 
hard load of decision making. I see that the bug you sent implies a 
design decision on how the phone should behave, so it might not be 
suitable for this.
yeah, the whole GPS/Location services thing is immensely frustrating, it 
is causing me to recommend a project to put phones in 101 delivery vans 
across Europe doesn't use Ubuntu phone but picks Android devices 
instead. I am developing the server side logistics telling the vans 
where to go, and I could recommend anything, I would like to have 
recommended a phone that is open all the way down to the hardware, but I 
simply can't because the GPS is designed to be off all the time just to 
save a bit of battery life and I have to have something that works.


My phone still thinks I am in Fitzroy square in London where I was on 
Saturday night. It needs a band aid, I am totally up for contributing to 
a fix, but if it is designed to not work then I can't really contribute 
much.


Alan.

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] A very open thank you.

[Femma Ashraf]

Great idea Daniel, make it convergent and win yourselves a prize:
https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/06/01/still-and-rigid-or-adaptable-tell-us-about-your-app/


On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 10:06 AM, Daniel Wood 
wrote:

>
> This sounds like a good opportunity to start a little community app!!
>
> A couple of questions:
>
> 1. Can the facebook messages be accessed via any of the official facebook
> APIs?
> 2. Are there any opensource libraries to connect to facebook (C++,
> Javascript or Python)
>
> Any work that we can do here could possibly translate in to a messaging
> plugin once the messaging framework is ready.
>
> Any one fancy doing a bit of research to see whats available?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan
>
> On 14 June 2016 at 09:47, Wayne Ward  wrote:
>
>> Pretty gats isnt it
>> it stiil works ok on the M10
>> ive tried messenger apps but they are no good - so yes its very odd and
>> i dont see the point?
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>> On Tue, 2016-06-14 at 08:37 +0100, Gareth France wrote:
>> > I just wanted to say thanks to the Facebook team for breaking the
>> > website for me. Where is the logic behind removing the ability to
>> > message people for anyone who doesn't have an apple or android
>> > device?
>> > Oh and the message asking me to download the app is just pouring
>> > salt
>> > into the wound by the way!
>> >
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Two bugs regarding screen/touch

[Pat McGowan]

I use the MX4 and do not have any trouble with the edge gestures, although
some have suggested tuning the pixel count
>From the video I see in one case you are swiping an area with no gesture
defined (the center of the panel under recent calls).

For the first bug we do not support double tap to wake so something else is
happening to wake the phone. We made a number of recet fixes to reduce the
possibility of various events turning on the screen. Ironically there are
several requests to enable double tap to wake.

There is a bug you may be hitting where the hardware home button stays
active and touching it turns on the screen if the phone has not yet
suspended.

Pat


On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Krzysztof Tataradziński <
ktatar...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Maybe, for now I corrected titles.
> But does that affect anyone else? I came back from Android and I don't
> want to go back. But these two bugs causing that I can't use my phone
> most of time.
>
> Best regards,
> Krzysztof Tataradziński
> https://launchpad.net/~ktatar156
>
> 2016-06-14 16:31 GMT+02:00 Matthias Apitz :
> > El día Tuesday, June 14, 2016 a las 04:08:38PM +0200, Krzysztof
> Tataradziński escribió:
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> Please see below bugs
> >>
> >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1592412
> >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1592417
> >
> > They seem only affect (if at all) the MX4, not the BQ E4.5.
> >
> > matthias
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Two bugs regarding screen/touch

[Krzysztof Tataradziński]

Regarding these bugs, is there a possibility that Android changes
something? I mean where there was installed on Flyme OS (A. 5.1), in some
kind of magic, it changed my phone? And in example added double tab feature
or changed touch layer with 'bug' swiping left/right even there is Ubuntu
now?
Is there command I can run, to be sure that storage is cleared/parted again?

2016-06-14 17:55 GMT+02:00 Pat McGowan :

> I use the MX4 and do not have any trouble with the edge gestures, although
> some have suggested tuning the pixel count
> From the video I see in one case you are swiping an area with no gesture
> defined (the center of the panel under recent calls).
>
> For the first bug we do not support double tap to wake so something else
> is happening to wake the phone. We made a number of recet fixes to reduce
> the possibility of various events turning on the screen. Ironically there
> are several requests to enable double tap to wake.
>
> There is a bug you may be hitting where the hardware home button stays
> active and touching it turns on the screen if the phone has not yet
> suspended.
>
> Pat
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Krzysztof Tataradziński <
> ktatar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Maybe, for now I corrected titles.
>> But does that affect anyone else? I came back from Android and I don't
>> want to go back. But these two bugs causing that I can't use my phone
>> most of time.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Krzysztof Tataradziński
>> https://launchpad.net/~ktatar156
>>
>> 2016-06-14 16:31 GMT+02:00 Matthias Apitz :
>> > El día Tuesday, June 14, 2016 a las 04:08:38PM +0200, Krzysztof
>> Tataradziński escribió:
>> >
>> >> Hello,
>> >>
>> >> Please see below bugs
>> >>
>> >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1592412
>> >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1592417
>> >
>> > They seem only affect (if at all) the MX4, not the BQ E4.5.
>> >
>> > matthias
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Two bugs regarding screen/touch

[Julia Palandri]

I used to suffer what you describe with the phone trying to unlock inside
my pocket (also mx4). I never knew if it was the proximity sensor not
working correctly, or the screen waking up for some other reason, or me
inadvertently pressing the power button (which is weirdly in the upper side
of the phone). I had even reported bugs on that, maybe you can look for
them and +1

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Krzysztof Tataradziński <
ktatar...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Maybe, for now I corrected titles.
> But does that affect anyone else? I came back from Android and I don't
> want to go back. But these two bugs causing that I can't use my phone
> most of time.
>
> Best regards,
> Krzysztof Tataradziński
> https://launchpad.net/~ktatar156
>
> 2016-06-14 16:31 GMT+02:00 Matthias Apitz :
> > El día Tuesday, June 14, 2016 a las 04:08:38PM +0200, Krzysztof
> Tataradziński escribió:
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> Please see below bugs
> >>
> >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1592412
> >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1592417
> >
> > They seem only affect (if at all) the MX4, not the BQ E4.5.
> >
> > matthias
> > --
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] A very open thank you.

[Art]

This is no different than google refusing to allow you to use their 
software unless you have a google accountor google refusing to let 
you download from the playstore unless you have a google account. Or, 
yahoo refusing to allow you access to their mailing lists unless you 
have a yahoo account.


In the case of facebook, they don't give a rats tail about a few 
ubuntu-phone users. All they see is that your phone doesn't respond 
'normally' and since they can't harvest personal information on behalf 
of them and their partners, they aren't allowing you to use their services.


Speaking for myself, I am interested in ubuntu-phone because I dumped 
microsoft in 2011 and use ubuntu on my laptop everyday. I believe that 
what's on my computer is mine and no one else's, and the ubuntu-phone 
brings the  privacy and security one step closer to realization.


I dumped google, even their search engine. I don't use yahoo, facebook, 
twitter, linkedin, yahoo or other services that demand that I compromise 
my security or privacy.


I'm new to the list and look forward to the day when I can dump android 
in favor of ubuntu-phone.


Regards,

A


On 06/14/2016 03:37 AM, Gareth France wrote:
I just wanted to say thanks to the Facebook team for breaking the 
website for me. Where is the logic behind removing the ability to 
message people for anyone who doesn't have an apple or android device? 
Oh and the message asking me to download the app is just pouring salt 
into the wound by the way!





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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] baresip for BQ E4.5 and M10 with working audio

[Mattias]

Hi Matthias,

Thanks for the great work! I am trying this on a MX4, but I have some 
sounds issues. Probably due to different hardware compared to the BQ 
devices. When I make a call to an echo service, I can hear a ticking 
sound. I think the error is:


main: long async blocking: 1127>100 ms (h=0xb6f9a159 arg=0xded530)

The complete output is available here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/17336821/

Can you maybe share how you tweaked the configuration? I see you changed 
some values in ~/.baresip/config at 
https://github.com/alfredh/baresip/issues/136
If I remember correctly you also wrote something about using oss.so? 
Would be nice if you can help to find the correct values for the MX4 device.


Greetings,

Mattias


On 12-06-16 14:40, Andrea Bernabei wrote:



On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Matthias Apitz > wrote:



Hello,

The audio is now working and SIP can be tested with this tar archive:

$ wget http://www.unixarea.de/bq-baresip.tgz
$ md5 bq-baresip.tgz
MD5 (bq-baresip.tgz) = 1cb13e6fc70d2b3136d90ee988cc46a8

The installation is pretty much simple as:

$ cd
$ tar xzf bq-baresip.tgz

Create an account file ~/.baresip/accounts with lines like:

# SIP accounts - one account per line
#
# Displayname ;addr-params
#
iptel mailto:sip%3aguru%3axx...@iptel.org>>;answermode=auto

and start baresip in the terminal-app as:

$ ssh localhost
$ baresip/baresip.sh
baresip v0.4.19 Copyright (C) 2010 - 2016 Alfred E. Heggestad et al.
Local network address:  IPv4=wlan0:192.168.2.103
ui: stdio
aucodec: PCMU/8000/1
aucodec: PCMA/8000/1
aufilt: vumeter
auplay: pulse
ausrc: pulse
medianat: stun
medianat: turn
medianat: ice
uuid: loaded UUID 365c6517-6cc1-2caf-3c8d-7747f20a87ad from file
/home/phablet/.baresip//uuid
Populated 1 account
Populated 3 contacts
Populated 2 audio codecs
Populated 1 audio filter
Populated 0 video codecs
Populated 0 video filters
baresip is ready.
g...@iptel.org : {0/TCP/v4} 200 OK (ser
(3.3.0-pre1 (i386/linux))) [1 binding]
All 1 useragent registered successfully! (2656 ms)

to dial a SIP peer, just say: d x...@whatever.sip.provider

Note:

1. you must use 'ssh localhost' at the moment because it is not yet a
   click package; how to configure this is explained in the gitbook;
2. you must use the shell script 'baresip/baresip.sh' because of
needed
   environment and params (have a look into it);

Please test and report problems.


That is great news Matthias!

I'm not a SIP user (yet?) but thanks for the effort you put into this! 
:) I'm sure plenty of people will love it!


Andrea


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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] A very open thank you.

[Gareth France]

On 14/06/16 17:55, Art wrote:
This is no different than google refusing to allow you to use their 
software unless you have a google accountor google refusing to let 
you download from the playstore unless you have a google account. Or, 
yahoo refusing to allow you access to their mailing lists unless you 
have a yahoo account. 
Sticking to that analogy I should be able to use the messaging because I 
have a facebook account. Restricting access to software only partially 
made available is very different. They really should be allowing 
developers to work with an api to provide access where it does not now 
exist.


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[Ubuntu-phone] And now for something not entirely different

[Gareth France]

Thanks to the amazing service provided by BQ and also the users of this 
list I found myself with a replacement for my broken phone and a 
discount code for the BQ store. I opted to buy a phone to replace that 
unbearable android monstrosity my partner has. Knowing she would never 
get along with Ubuntu as it's different to what she's used to I opted 
for the Android model and thought nothing of it as it's the same phone.


I was mildly surprised by what turned up in the post. There is no doubt 
it is the same phone as mine yet it is quite different. The first thing 
I noted is that the little pin for removing the sim cards only has one 
spike on it, the one for opening the SD card slot is missing. So I 
looked at the SD slot and was greeted by blank plastic, no cover there 
at all! 2 sim slots just the same but the power button is in the wrong 
place. Where the power button should be is what looks like another sim 
slot, but this time for housing the SD card. The notification light is 
in the wrong place and blinks in an entirely different manner to mine.


All in all it kind of felt like returning home to find someone had 
rearranged all the furniture! It will be very interesting to see how 
this new handset compares to mine from a usability standpoint (crashing, 
hanging, overall speed, etc).


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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] baresip for BQ E4.5 and M10 with working audio

[Matthias Apitz]

El día Tuesday, June 14, 2016 a las 09:15:42PM +0200, Mattias escribió:

> Hi Matthias,
> 
> Thanks for the great work! I am trying this on a MX4, but I have some 
> sounds issues. Probably due to different hardware compared to the BQ 
> devices. When I make a call to an echo service, I can hear a ticking 
> sound. I think the error is:
> 
> main: long async blocking: 1127>100 ms (h=0xb6f9a159 arg=0xded530)
> 
> The complete output is available here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/17336821/
> 
> Can you maybe share how you tweaked the configuration? I see you changed 
> some values in ~/.baresip/config at 
> https://github.com/alfredh/baresip/issues/136
> If I remember correctly you also wrote something about using oss.so? 
> Would be nice if you can help to find the correct values for the MX4 device.

Hello,

The tar archive I published contains my working ~/.baresip/config. On
the BQ E4.5 and M10 I'm using the pulse.so driver, the others (alsa.so
and oss.so) do not work.

matthias

> > $ wget http://www.unixarea.de/bq-baresip.tgz
> > $ md5 bq-baresip.tgz
> > MD5 (bq-baresip.tgz) = 1cb13e6fc70d2b3136d90ee988cc46a8

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] A very open thank you.

[Filip Dorosz]

Hello.

I don't know if that count, but there is new plugin for pidgin which 
implement new facebook chat protocol (post XMPP protocol)


https://github.com/dequis/purple-facebook

Regards,
Filip Dorosz

W dniu 14.06.2016 o 11:06, Daniel Wood pisze:


This sounds like a good opportunity to start a little community app!!

A couple of questions:

1. Can the facebook messages be accessed via any of the official
facebook APIs?
2. Are there any opensource libraries to connect to facebook (C++,
Javascript or Python)

Any work that we can do here could possibly translate in to a messaging
plugin once the messaging framework is ready.

Any one fancy doing a bit of research to see whats available?

Thanks,

Dan

On 14 June 2016 at 09:47, Wayne Ward mailto:i...@wayneward.co.uk>> wrote:

Pretty gats isnt it
it stiil works ok on the M10
ive tried messenger apps but they are no good - so yes its very odd and
i dont see the point?

Wayne

On Tue, 2016-06-14 at 08:37 +0100, Gareth France wrote:
 > I just wanted to say thanks to the Facebook team for breaking the
 > website for me. Where is the logic behind removing the ability to
 > message people for anyone who doesn't have an apple or android
 > device?
 > Oh and the message asking me to download the app is just pouring
 > salt
 > into the wound by the way!
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] A very open thank you.

[Gareth France]

On 14/06/16 16:50, Femma Ashraf wrote:
Great idea Daniel, make it convergent and win yourselves a prize: 
https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/06/01/still-and-rigid-or-adaptable-tell-us-about-your-app/ 


Oh how I wish I were able to create apps. The entire process baffles me 
and nobody seems able to shed any light on it. This has to be on my to 
do list soon.


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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Two bugs regarding screen/touch

[Krzysztof Tataradziński]

I've installed UT again, but older version. Please see results in below
comments:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1592412
comment #12
https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1592417
comment #2

2016-06-14 18:09 GMT+02:00 Krzysztof Tataradziński :

> Regarding these bugs, is there a possibility that Android changes
> something? I mean where there was installed on Flyme OS (A. 5.1), in some
> kind of magic, it changed my phone? And in example added double tab feature
> or changed touch layer with 'bug' swiping left/right even there is Ubuntu
> now?
> Is there command I can run, to be sure that storage is cleared/parted
> again?
>
> 2016-06-14 17:55 GMT+02:00 Pat McGowan :
>
>> I use the MX4 and do not have any trouble with the edge gestures,
>> although some have suggested tuning the pixel count
>> From the video I see in one case you are swiping an area with no gesture
>> defined (the center of the panel under recent calls).
>>
>> For the first bug we do not support double tap to wake so something else
>> is happening to wake the phone. We made a number of recet fixes to reduce
>> the possibility of various events turning on the screen. Ironically there
>> are several requests to enable double tap to wake.
>>
>> There is a bug you may be hitting where the hardware home button stays
>> active and touching it turns on the screen if the phone has not yet
>> suspended.
>>
>> Pat
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Krzysztof Tataradziński <
>> ktatar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe, for now I corrected titles.
>>> But does that affect anyone else? I came back from Android and I don't
>>> want to go back. But these two bugs causing that I can't use my phone
>>> most of time.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Krzysztof Tataradziński
>>> https://launchpad.net/~ktatar156
>>>
>>> 2016-06-14 16:31 GMT+02:00 Matthias Apitz :
>>> > El día Tuesday, June 14, 2016 a las 04:08:38PM +0200, Krzysztof
>>> Tataradziński escribió:
>>> >
>>> >> Hello,
>>> >>
>>> >> Please see below bugs
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1592412
>>> >>
>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1592417
>>> >
>>> > They seem only affect (if at all) the MX4, not the BQ E4.5.
>>> >
>>> > matthias
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] baresip for BQ E4.5 and M10 with working audio

[Mattias]

Hi Matthias,

I extracted the baresip first in Documents, so the config was still 
there. Copying that in place results in a slightly better performance:


e...@iptel.org: Some echo of my own voice, but mainly an irritating beep
e...@ekiga.net: a clear audio message: The call failed

Any idea on how to tweak the settings? Just trial and error? Any other 
working echo services, because I think the ekiga one is not working 
anymore...

This is the output I still get:

call: connecting to 'sip:e...@iptel.org'..
call: SIP Progress: 100 Trying (/)
call: SIP Progress: 100 Trying (/)
audio: Set audio decoder: PCMU 8000Hz 1ch
audio: enable auplay resampler: 8000Hz/1ch --> 48000Hz/1ch
pulse: opening player (48000 Hz, 1 channels, device '')
pulse: playback started
audio: Set audio encoder: PCMU 8000Hz 1ch
audio: enable ausrc resampler: 8000Hz/1ch <-- 48000Hz/1ch
pulse: opening recorder (48000 Hz, 1 channels, device '')
pulse: recording started
audio tx pipeline:   pulse ---> vumeter ---> PCMU
audio rx pipeline:   pulse <--- vumeter <--- PCMU
ma...@sip.iptel.org: Call established: sip:e...@iptel.org
main: long async blocking: 571>100 ms (h=0xb6f52159 arg=0xa4fed8)

Mattias

On 14-06-16 21:39, Matthias Apitz wrote:

El día Tuesday, June 14, 2016 a las 09:15:42PM +0200, Mattias escribió:


Hi Matthias,

Thanks for the great work! I am trying this on a MX4, but I have some
sounds issues. Probably due to different hardware compared to the BQ
devices. When I make a call to an echo service, I can hear a ticking
sound. I think the error is:

main: long async blocking: 1127>100 ms (h=0xb6f9a159 arg=0xded530)

The complete output is available here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/17336821/

Can you maybe share how you tweaked the configuration? I see you changed
some values in ~/.baresip/config at
https://github.com/alfredh/baresip/issues/136
If I remember correctly you also wrote something about using oss.so?
Would be nice if you can help to find the correct values for the MX4 device.

Hello,

The tar archive I published contains my working ~/.baresip/config. On
the BQ E4.5 and M10 I'm using the pulse.so driver, the others (alsa.so
and oss.so) do not work.

matthias


 $ wget http://www.unixarea.de/bq-baresip.tgz
 $ md5 bq-baresip.tgz
 MD5 (bq-baresip.tgz) = 1cb13e6fc70d2b3136d90ee988cc46a8



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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] baresip for BQ E4.5 and M10 with working audio

[Matthias Apitz]

El día Tuesday, June 14, 2016 a las 10:06:22PM +0200, Mattias escribió:

> Hi Matthias,
> 
> I extracted the baresip first in Documents, so the config was still 
> there. Copying that in place results in a slightly better performance:
> 
> e...@iptel.org: Some echo of my own voice, but mainly an irritating beep

Do you used headphones? If not, try. The problem is that the local
feeding of the audio from the speaker into the mic makes it unusable
without headphones;

> e...@ekiga.net: a clear audio message: The call failed

This comes from playing a local .wav file because e...@ekiga.net seems to be
offline; it proofs that audio-out is fine :-)


matthias

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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] A very open thank you.

[Selene Scriven]

* Yarid Andrea Guglielmetti  wrote:
> Hi, i not like the decisions of Facebook but Fmessenger working for me on BQ
> E4.5. Bye

I like the name, Fmessenger.  When I first saw that they took out 
messaging and replaced it with code that tries to install their 
intrusive app on literally every click, my first response was 
"No!  Eff Messenger!"


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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] baresip for BQ E4.5 and M10 with working audio

[Mattias]

using headphones gives indeed a clear sound. Great! I see in your 
message from today you also have problems without headphones. I will try 
to have a look at it as well later this week.


On 14-06-16 22:12, Matthias Apitz wrote:

El día Tuesday, June 14, 2016 a las 10:06:22PM +0200, Mattias escribió:


Hi Matthias,

I extracted the baresip first in Documents, so the config was still
there. Copying that in place results in a slightly better performance:

e...@iptel.org: Some echo of my own voice, but mainly an irritating beep

Do you used headphones? If not, try. The problem is that the local
feeding of the audio from the speaker into the mic makes it unusable
without headphones;


e...@ekiga.net: a clear audio message: The call failed

This comes from playing a local .wav file because e...@ekiga.net seems to be
offline; it proofs that audio-out is fine :-)


matthias




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[Ubuntu-phone] NextCloud

[mark]

Seems that NextCloud is ready then - way ahead of schedule: 
http://www.zdnet.com/article/nextcloud-releases-owncloud-fork-ahead-of-schedule/


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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] And now for something not entirely different

[Mitchell Reese]

How did you get a new device? My phone has packed it in after a recent trip 
to Borneo - can't find a bq for sale anywhere! Thoughts?


Mitchell

On Wednesday, 15 June 2016 5:31:16 AM AEST, Gareth France 
 wrote:
Thanks to the amazing service provided by BQ and also the users of this 
list I found myself with a replacement for my broken phone and a 
discount code for the BQ store. I opted to buy a phone to replace that 
unbearable android monstrosity my partner has. Knowing she would never 
get along with Ubuntu as it's different to what she's used to I opted 
for the Android model and thought nothing of it as it's the same phone.


I was mildly surprised by what turned up in the post. There is no doubt 
it is the same phone as mine yet it is quite different. The first thing 
I noted is that the little pin for removing the sim cards only has one 
spike on it, the one for opening the SD card slot is missing. So I 
looked at the SD slot and was greeted by blank plastic, no cover there 
at all! 2 sim slots just the same but the power button is in the wrong 
place. Where the power button should be is what looks like another sim 
slot, but this time for housing the SD card. The notification light is 
in the wrong place and blinks in an entirely different manner to mine.


All in all it kind of felt like returning home to find someone had 
rearranged all the furniture! It will be very interesting to see how 
this new handset compares to mine from a usability standpoint (crashing, 
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] And now for something not entirely different

[Eran Benjamin]

I really like the BQ 4.5, and their post-sale support is also great, yet 
I'm still hoping that the French manufacturer Wiko will have a their WAX 
and Highway models running Ubunbtu phone too.


They are slick, thin and light, plus fast Nvidia Tegra4i chipset with 4G 
for about the same price as a BQ4.5.



On 15-06-16 07:41, Mitchell Reese wrote:
How did you get a new device? My phone has packed it in after a recent 
trip to Borneo - can't find a bq for sale anywhere! Thoughts?


Mitchell

On Wednesday, 15 June 2016 5:31:16 AM AEST, Gareth France 
 wrote:
Thanks to the amazing service provided by BQ and also the users of 
this list I found myself with a replacement for my broken phone and a 
discount code for the BQ store. I opted to buy a phone to replace 
that unbearable android monstrosity my partner has. Knowing she would 
never get along with Ubuntu as it's different to what she's used to I 
opted for the Android model and thought nothing of it as it's the 
same phone.


I was mildly surprised by what turned up in the post. There is no 
doubt it is the same phone as mine yet it is quite different. The 
first thing I noted is that the little pin for removing the sim cards 
only has one spike on it, the one for opening the SD card slot is 
missing. So I looked at the SD slot and was greeted by blank plastic, 
no cover there at all! 2 sim slots just the same but the power button 
is in the wrong place. Where the power button should be is what looks 
like another sim slot, but this time for housing the SD card. The 
notification light is in the wrong place and blinks in an entirely 
different manner to mine.


All in all it kind of felt like returning home to find someone had 
rearranged all the furniture! It will be very interesting to see how 
this new handset compares to mine from a usability standpoint 
(crashing, hanging, overall speed, etc).









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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] And now for something not entirely different

[Víctor González]

Hi Michtell!

Seems like our german online store still have some units:
https://store-de.bq.com/de/ubuntu-edition-e-4-5

Cheers,


Víctor González Troncoso

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Responsable de Soporte Ubuntu (SAUX)

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28521 Rivas Vaciamadrid (Madrid)
www.bq.com
www.mibqyyo.com

  


2016-06-15 7:41 GMT+02:00 Mitchell Reese :

> How did you get a new device? My phone has packed it in after a recent
> trip to Borneo - can't find a bq for sale anywhere! Thoughts?
>
> Mitchell
>
> On Wednesday, 15 June 2016 5:31:16 AM AEST, Gareth France <
> gareth.fra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks to the amazing service provided by BQ and also the users of this
>> list I found myself with a replacement for my broken phone and a discount
>> code for the BQ store. I opted to buy a phone to replace that unbearable
>> android monstrosity my partner has. Knowing she would never get along with
>> Ubuntu as it's different to what she's used to I opted for the Android
>> model and thought nothing of it as it's the same phone.
>>
>> I was mildly surprised by what turned up in the post. There is no doubt
>> it is the same phone as mine yet it is quite different. The first thing I
>> noted is that the little pin for removing the sim cards only has one spike
>> on it, the one for opening the SD card slot is missing. So I looked at the
>> SD slot and was greeted by blank plastic, no cover there at all! 2 sim
>> slots just the same but the power button is in the wrong place. Where the
>> power button should be is what looks like another sim slot, but this time
>> for housing the SD card. The notification light is in the wrong place and
>> blinks in an entirely different manner to mine.
>>
>> All in all it kind of felt like returning home to find someone had
>> rearranged all the furniture! It will be very interesting to see how this
>> new handset compares to mine from a usability standpoint (crashing,
>> hanging, overall speed, etc).
>>
>>
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