Re: Fwd: Ubuntu Online Summit (3-5 Nov): Get your sessions in
[replying at the end] Den 2015-10-27 kl. 14:24, skrev Nicholas Skaggs: > On 10/24/2015 04:18 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote: >> Hi Nicholas and Marc, >> [replying inline] >> Best regards >> Nio >> >> Den 2015-10-23 kl. 22:09, skrev Marc Deslauriers: >>> Hi, >>> >>> On 2015-10-23 03:50 PM, Nicholas Skaggs wrote: On 10/21/2015 12:08 PM, Nio Wiklund wrote: > Hi Nicholas and Marc, >>> Whoops, sorry for not replying earlier, I didn't notice the thread. >>> > *Date and time* > > Wednesday would be the best day for me, and Thursday the second > best day > and Tuesday is not good at all. > > I don't know how to arrange a session, so I would rely on you to > make it > possible and book a time slot. http://summit.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/propose-a-session/. You want a discussion session. I can help if it's still confusing, but see below. Sounds like you might not want a session anymore. >> If the problems with the SDC can be solved without a session, it is a >> waste of effort and time to arrange a session for it. >> > *Content* > > Now that you, Marc, have started the work to revamp the SDC by > simplifying it, and at the same time stating that none of the > alternative installers can be accepted, I'm not sure what to > discuss in > such a session. Maybe something along these lines: Seems you have some things to discuss, but it doesn't have to be a session if you don't want it to be. Since we've settled on not changing the default, the impact is certainly lessened and indeed there is less to discuss. It's up to you. We should start a new thread to discuss your questions though if you want to go that route. Perhaps a status from Marc would help also. >> Yes, I'm glad that both of you have replied now :-) >> >>> I did work on SDC before I went on holiday. I haven't looked at it >>> since I came >>> back, but I believe it was usable. I ripped out all the unused code, >>> and it now >>> simply copies the image to the USB device, which should make it >>> reliable and >>> able to work with all the different flavours. >>> >>> I'll try and get it packaged in a PPA early next week if anyone wants >>> to test it. >> Yes, I want to test it, just tell me when it is ready for testing, and I >> hope several other people will test it too. >> > Can we decide to make the SDC reliable by removing its ability to > create > persistent live drives? > > 1. As a temporary solution to make it work again >>> I think this is the best solution for now, and if everyone is in >>> agreement, I >>> think I'll ask that it gets uploaded to Xenial. >> +1 >> > 2. In the long perspective > > 2.1. Should persistence be added afterwards, when a reliable method is > found (for example the method, that was developed by Andre > Rodovalho and > modified by me in mkusb)? > > 2.2. Or is it enough that the SDC is creating 'live-only' pendrives? > Users who want persistent live pendrives, can be adviced to use one of > the available alternatives (but they will not be included in Ubuntu). I think I'm in this camp. Keep the default as simple as possible. More advanced usage can advocate other tools. And there's no reason they can be packaged in the ubuntu archives so they are easy to get. >>> I think recommending an alternative such as mkusb is probably the >>> best solution >>> too, but I don't have any objection if someone wants to add a >>> persistence mode >>> back in SDC...perhaps as a non-default option (maybe even requiring >>> it to be >>> launched with a command line option for it to show up in the GUI...). >>> >>> Marc. >>> >> I'm open for both of these alternatives (with and without persistence). >> I have tried to get people's opinion about it at the Ubuntu Forums, but >> there are not many replies or votes, and there is no overwhelming >> indication in either direction. (But most votes and replies indicate >> that *something* must be done with the SDC to make it work in a reliable >> way.) >> >> Maybe there will be more opinion, when your version of the SDC is >> uploaded to the repo, Marc. In that case we can help deciding what to do >> and maybe help doing it. >> >> -o- >> >> One thing we have not yet discussed is re-using the pendrive. It is more >> difficult to re-use a pendrive after an iso file is cloned to it, >> because there is an ISO 9660 file system, which is read-only. >> >> There are wiping options in mkusb version 10.3. I think one of them >> should be added to the SDC, the standard one, that wipes the first >> mibibyte and creates an MSDOS partition table and a FAT32 partition. > I would say this too would be "advanced" usage, and for simplicity and > robustness sake, it shouldn't be in SDC. I'm glad to hear mkusb has > those options so alternatives exist. I don't want to stray too far off > topic, but I think it would b
Re: Fwd: Ubuntu Online Summit (3-5 Nov): Get your sessions in
On 10/24/2015 04:18 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote: Hi Nicholas and Marc, [replying inline] Best regards Nio Den 2015-10-23 kl. 22:09, skrev Marc Deslauriers: Hi, On 2015-10-23 03:50 PM, Nicholas Skaggs wrote: On 10/21/2015 12:08 PM, Nio Wiklund wrote: Hi Nicholas and Marc, Whoops, sorry for not replying earlier, I didn't notice the thread. *Date and time* Wednesday would be the best day for me, and Thursday the second best day and Tuesday is not good at all. I don't know how to arrange a session, so I would rely on you to make it possible and book a time slot. http://summit.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/propose-a-session/. You want a discussion session. I can help if it's still confusing, but see below. Sounds like you might not want a session anymore. If the problems with the SDC can be solved without a session, it is a waste of effort and time to arrange a session for it. *Content* Now that you, Marc, have started the work to revamp the SDC by simplifying it, and at the same time stating that none of the alternative installers can be accepted, I'm not sure what to discuss in such a session. Maybe something along these lines: Seems you have some things to discuss, but it doesn't have to be a session if you don't want it to be. Since we've settled on not changing the default, the impact is certainly lessened and indeed there is less to discuss. It's up to you. We should start a new thread to discuss your questions though if you want to go that route. Perhaps a status from Marc would help also. Yes, I'm glad that both of you have replied now :-) I did work on SDC before I went on holiday. I haven't looked at it since I came back, but I believe it was usable. I ripped out all the unused code, and it now simply copies the image to the USB device, which should make it reliable and able to work with all the different flavours. I'll try and get it packaged in a PPA early next week if anyone wants to test it. Yes, I want to test it, just tell me when it is ready for testing, and I hope several other people will test it too. Can we decide to make the SDC reliable by removing its ability to create persistent live drives? 1. As a temporary solution to make it work again I think this is the best solution for now, and if everyone is in agreement, I think I'll ask that it gets uploaded to Xenial. +1 2. In the long perspective 2.1. Should persistence be added afterwards, when a reliable method is found (for example the method, that was developed by Andre Rodovalho and modified by me in mkusb)? 2.2. Or is it enough that the SDC is creating 'live-only' pendrives? Users who want persistent live pendrives, can be adviced to use one of the available alternatives (but they will not be included in Ubuntu). I think I'm in this camp. Keep the default as simple as possible. More advanced usage can advocate other tools. And there's no reason they can be packaged in the ubuntu archives so they are easy to get. I think recommending an alternative such as mkusb is probably the best solution too, but I don't have any objection if someone wants to add a persistence mode back in SDC...perhaps as a non-default option (maybe even requiring it to be launched with a command line option for it to show up in the GUI...). Marc. I'm open for both of these alternatives (with and without persistence). I have tried to get people's opinion about it at the Ubuntu Forums, but there are not many replies or votes, and there is no overwhelming indication in either direction. (But most votes and replies indicate that *something* must be done with the SDC to make it work in a reliable way.) Maybe there will be more opinion, when your version of the SDC is uploaded to the repo, Marc. In that case we can help deciding what to do and maybe help doing it. -o- One thing we have not yet discussed is re-using the pendrive. It is more difficult to re-use a pendrive after an iso file is cloned to it, because there is an ISO 9660 file system, which is read-only. There are wiping options in mkusb version 10.3. I think one of them should be added to the SDC, the standard one, that wipes the first mibibyte and creates an MSDOS partition table and a FAT32 partition. I would say this too would be "advanced" usage, and for simplicity and robustness sake, it shouldn't be in SDC. I'm glad to hear mkusb has those options so alternatives exist. I don't want to stray too far off topic, but I think it would be useful to get mkusb in the archives. I'm not sure where the project or source code lives, but consider getting it accepted into debian / ubuntu so it will be a part of the next LTS. Nicholas -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: Fwd: Ubuntu Online Summit (3-5 Nov): Get your sessions in
Hi Nicholas and Marc, [replying inline] Best regards Nio Den 2015-10-23 kl. 22:09, skrev Marc Deslauriers: > Hi, > > On 2015-10-23 03:50 PM, Nicholas Skaggs wrote: >> On 10/21/2015 12:08 PM, Nio Wiklund wrote: >>> Hi Nicholas and Marc, > > Whoops, sorry for not replying earlier, I didn't notice the thread. > >>> >>> *Date and time* >>> >>> Wednesday would be the best day for me, and Thursday the second best day >>> and Tuesday is not good at all. >>> >>> I don't know how to arrange a session, so I would rely on you to make it >>> possible and book a time slot. >> http://summit.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/propose-a-session/. You want a >> discussion >> session. I can help if it's still confusing, but see below. Sounds like you >> might not want a session anymore. If the problems with the SDC can be solved without a session, it is a waste of effort and time to arrange a session for it. >>> *Content* >>> >>> Now that you, Marc, have started the work to revamp the SDC by >>> simplifying it, and at the same time stating that none of the >>> alternative installers can be accepted, I'm not sure what to discuss in >>> such a session. Maybe something along these lines: >> Seems you have some things to discuss, but it doesn't have to be a session if >> you don't want it to be. Since we've settled on not changing the default, the >> impact is certainly lessened and indeed there is less to discuss. It's up to >> you. We should start a new thread to discuss your questions though if you >> want >> to go that route. Perhaps a status from Marc would help also. Yes, I'm glad that both of you have replied now :-) > I did work on SDC before I went on holiday. I haven't looked at it since I > came > back, but I believe it was usable. I ripped out all the unused code, and it > now > simply copies the image to the USB device, which should make it reliable and > able to work with all the different flavours. > > I'll try and get it packaged in a PPA early next week if anyone wants to test > it. Yes, I want to test it, just tell me when it is ready for testing, and I hope several other people will test it too. >>> Can we decide to make the SDC reliable by removing its ability to create >>> persistent live drives? >>> >>> 1. As a temporary solution to make it work again > > I think this is the best solution for now, and if everyone is in agreement, I > think I'll ask that it gets uploaded to Xenial. +1 >>> 2. In the long perspective >>> >>> 2.1. Should persistence be added afterwards, when a reliable method is >>> found (for example the method, that was developed by Andre Rodovalho and >>> modified by me in mkusb)? >>> >>> 2.2. Or is it enough that the SDC is creating 'live-only' pendrives? >>> Users who want persistent live pendrives, can be adviced to use one of >>> the available alternatives (but they will not be included in Ubuntu). >> I think I'm in this camp. Keep the default as simple as possible. More >> advanced >> usage can advocate other tools. And there's no reason they can be packaged in >> the ubuntu archives so they are easy to get. > > I think recommending an alternative such as mkusb is probably the best > solution > too, but I don't have any objection if someone wants to add a persistence mode > back in SDC...perhaps as a non-default option (maybe even requiring it to be > launched with a command line option for it to show up in the GUI...). > > Marc. > I'm open for both of these alternatives (with and without persistence). I have tried to get people's opinion about it at the Ubuntu Forums, but there are not many replies or votes, and there is no overwhelming indication in either direction. (But most votes and replies indicate that *something* must be done with the SDC to make it work in a reliable way.) Maybe there will be more opinion, when your version of the SDC is uploaded to the repo, Marc. In that case we can help deciding what to do and maybe help doing it. -o- One thing we have not yet discussed is re-using the pendrive. It is more difficult to re-use a pendrive after an iso file is cloned to it, because there is an ISO 9660 file system, which is read-only. There are wiping options in mkusb version 10.3. I think one of them should be added to the SDC, the standard one, that wipes the first mibibyte and creates an MSDOS partition table and a FAT32 partition. -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: Fwd: Ubuntu Online Summit (3-5 Nov): Get your sessions in
Hi, On 2015-10-23 03:50 PM, Nicholas Skaggs wrote: > On 10/21/2015 12:08 PM, Nio Wiklund wrote: >> Hi Nicholas and Marc, Whoops, sorry for not replying earlier, I didn't notice the thread. >> >> *Date and time* >> >> Wednesday would be the best day for me, and Thursday the second best day >> and Tuesday is not good at all. >> >> I don't know how to arrange a session, so I would rely on you to make it >> possible and book a time slot. > http://summit.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/propose-a-session/. You want a discussion > session. I can help if it's still confusing, but see below. Sounds like you > might not want a session anymore. >> >> *Content* >> >> Now that you, Marc, have started the work to revamp the SDC by >> simplifying it, and at the same time stating that none of the >> alternative installers can be accepted, I'm not sure what to discuss in >> such a session. Maybe something along these lines: > Seems you have some things to discuss, but it doesn't have to be a session if > you don't want it to be. Since we've settled on not changing the default, the > impact is certainly lessened and indeed there is less to discuss. It's up to > you. We should start a new thread to discuss your questions though if you want > to go that route. Perhaps a status from Marc would help also. I did work on SDC before I went on holiday. I haven't looked at it since I came back, but I believe it was usable. I ripped out all the unused code, and it now simply copies the image to the USB device, which should make it reliable and able to work with all the different flavours. I'll try and get it packaged in a PPA early next week if anyone wants to test it. >> >> Can we decide to make the SDC reliable by removing its ability to create >> persistent live drives? >> >> 1. As a temporary solution to make it work again I think this is the best solution for now, and if everyone is in agreement, I think I'll ask that it gets uploaded to Xenial. >> >> 2. In the long perspective >> >> 2.1. Should persistence be added afterwards, when a reliable method is >> found (for example the method, that was developed by Andre Rodovalho and >> modified by me in mkusb)? >> >> 2.2. Or is it enough that the SDC is creating 'live-only' pendrives? >> Users who want persistent live pendrives, can be adviced to use one of >> the available alternatives (but they will not be included in Ubuntu). > I think I'm in this camp. Keep the default as simple as possible. More > advanced > usage can advocate other tools. And there's no reason they can be packaged in > the ubuntu archives so they are easy to get. I think recommending an alternative such as mkusb is probably the best solution too, but I don't have any objection if someone wants to add a persistence mode back in SDC...perhaps as a non-default option (maybe even requiring it to be launched with a command line option for it to show up in the GUI...). Marc. -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: Fwd: Ubuntu Online Summit (3-5 Nov): Get your sessions in
On 10/21/2015 12:08 PM, Nio Wiklund wrote: Hi Nicholas and Marc, *Date and time* Wednesday would be the best day for me, and Thursday the second best day and Tuesday is not good at all. I don't know how to arrange a session, so I would rely on you to make it possible and book a time slot. http://summit.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/propose-a-session/. You want a discussion session. I can help if it's still confusing, but see below. Sounds like you might not want a session anymore. *Content* Now that you, Marc, have started the work to revamp the SDC by simplifying it, and at the same time stating that none of the alternative installers can be accepted, I'm not sure what to discuss in such a session. Maybe something along these lines: Seems you have some things to discuss, but it doesn't have to be a session if you don't want it to be. Since we've settled on not changing the default, the impact is certainly lessened and indeed there is less to discuss. It's up to you. We should start a new thread to discuss your questions though if you want to go that route. Perhaps a status from Marc would help also. Can we decide to make the SDC reliable by removing its ability to create persistent live drives? 1. As a temporary solution to make it work again 2. In the long perspective 2.1. Should persistence be added afterwards, when a reliable method is found (for example the method, that was developed by Andre Rodovalho and modified by me in mkusb)? 2.2. Or is it enough that the SDC is creating 'live-only' pendrives? Users who want persistent live pendrives, can be adviced to use one of the available alternatives (but they will not be included in Ubuntu). I think I'm in this camp. Keep the default as simple as possible. More advanced usage can advocate other tools. And there's no reason they can be packaged in the ubuntu archives so they are easy to get. -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: Fwd: Ubuntu Online Summit (3-5 Nov): Get your sessions in
Hi Nicholas and Marc, *Date and time* Wednesday would be the best day for me, and Thursday the second best day and Tuesday is not good at all. I don't know how to arrange a session, so I would rely on you to make it possible and book a time slot. *Content* Now that you, Marc, have started the work to revamp the SDC by simplifying it, and at the same time stating that none of the alternative installers can be accepted, I'm not sure what to discuss in such a session. Maybe something along these lines: Can we decide to make the SDC reliable by removing its ability to create persistent live drives? 1. As a temporary solution to make it work again 2. In the long perspective 2.1. Should persistence be added afterwards, when a reliable method is found (for example the method, that was developed by Andre Rodovalho and modified by me in mkusb)? 2.2. Or is it enough that the SDC is creating 'live-only' pendrives? Users who want persistent live pendrives, can be adviced to use one of the available alternatives (but they will not be included in Ubuntu). Best regards Nio Den 2015-10-21 kl. 17:01, skrev Nicholas Skaggs: > If you have an idea for a quality session, now is the time to get it in. > Nio, Marc, let's make sure we get a session for startup disk creator :-) > > In addition, there's room for show and tell sessions. If you just want > to show off something cool, or talk about a useful piece of software and > demo it, this is your chance. It can be quick and unscripted. Just come > prepared to demo something and answer some questions and interact with > others. To see examples, check out the show and tell videos from last UOS. > > http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/track/show/ > > Nicholas > > > Forwarded Message > Subject: Ubuntu Online Summit (3-5 Nov): Get your sessions in > Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 18:26:57 +0200 > From: Daniel Holbach > Reply-To: ubuntu-devel-disc...@lists.ubuntu.com > To: ubuntu-devel-annou...@lists.ubuntu.com > > > > Hello everybody, > > from 3-5 Nov we are going to have our next Ubuntu Online Summit where we > plan the X release. As at the last times, everything will happen on > Google Hangouts and the schedule is going to be up at summit.ubuntu.com. > > Now is the best time to get your sessions in, it just takes a couple of > minutes: > > http://summit.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/propose-a-session/ > > Please bring it up in your teams and make sure we have all your > important sessions, no matter if they are discussion or planning > sessions or if you want to make them more like demos or workshops. > > Thanks a lot in advance and see you in two weeks! > Daniel > -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Fwd: Ubuntu Online Summit (3-5 Nov): Get your sessions in
If you have an idea for a quality session, now is the time to get it in. Nio, Marc, let's make sure we get a session for startup disk creator :-) In addition, there's room for show and tell sessions. If you just want to show off something cool, or talk about a useful piece of software and demo it, this is your chance. It can be quick and unscripted. Just come prepared to demo something and answer some questions and interact with others. To see examples, check out the show and tell videos from last UOS. http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/track/show/ Nicholas Forwarded Message Subject:Ubuntu Online Summit (3-5 Nov): Get your sessions in Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 18:26:57 +0200 From: Daniel Holbach Reply-To: ubuntu-devel-disc...@lists.ubuntu.com To: ubuntu-devel-annou...@lists.ubuntu.com Hello everybody, from 3-5 Nov we are going to have our next Ubuntu Online Summit where we plan the X release. As at the last times, everything will happen on Google Hangouts and the schedule is going to be up at summit.ubuntu.com. Now is the best time to get your sessions in, it just takes a couple of minutes: http://summit.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/propose-a-session/ Please bring it up in your teams and make sure we have all your important sessions, no matter if they are discussion or planning sessions or if you want to make them more like demos or workshops. Thanks a lot in advance and see you in two weeks! Daniel -- ubuntu-devel-announce mailing list ubuntu-devel-annou...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-announce -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
