Re: [FLAVOURS] QA Flavour Cycle meetup
So. Now the dust has settled a bit - are people actually wanting to try for a time when more can attend - which is always going to be hard with those pesky timezones - or not. regards On 28/07/16 18:20, Walter Lapchynski wrote: [snip] -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: [FLAVOURS] QA Flavour Cycle meetup
Martin Wimpress: > I'm certainly interested in keeping the milestones because it has > absolutely helped identify issues before the panic of final beta. How has it helped? All confirmed reports are tagged with releases names and shorted by importance, so that will be even better for identifying where to start working on. The sole purpose of milestones and sprints is to induce a sense of urgency, but because those are unrealistic people end ignoring them. -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: [FLAVOURS] QA Flavour Cycle meetup
Hi, Excuse the top posting, I've only got my phone with me. The timing didn't work for me to attend the meeting. But I'm certainly interested in keeping the milestones because it has absolutely helped identify issues before the panic of final beta. Regards, Martin. On 29 Jul 2016 6:20 p.m., "Walter Lapchynski" wrote: > Well, it didn't seem like anyone showed up and some folks complained about > the timing, while others said they'd rather not talk at all. > > That being said, perhaps we should discuss this in the mailing list. > > Is there anyone amongst flavors who would like to continue doing > milestones? If not, maybe we should just forget about them. > > On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 8:05 AM, Set Hallstrom > wrote: > >> Hi, >> I would very much like to participate. I don't have much to say about it, >> but i'm interested in reading more about milestones, QA, howtos and nottos. >> Since the meeting isn't confirmed yet and i'm far away from home and not >> really willing to rush to a commuter train within an hour, i'll let my irc >> avatar log the discussion and read it tomorrow. >> >> Looking forward to see where the discussion will take us, >> >> Set aka sakrecoer >> >> >> -- >> Set Hallström >> Sent from my Ubuntu pocket computer >> >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-release mailing list >> ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-release >> > > > > -- > @wxl | http://polka.bike > Lubuntu Release Manager & Head of QA > Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact > Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Team Leader > Ubuntu Membership Board & LoCo Council Member > Eugene Unix & GNU/Linux User Group Co-Organizer > > -- > Ubuntu-release mailing list > ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-release > > -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: [FLAVOURS] QA Flavour Cycle meetup
On 29/07/16 18:50, Martin Wimpress wrote: Hi, ... But I'm certainly interested in keeping the milestones because it has absolutely helped identify issues before the panic of final beta. Regards, Martin. This is exactly why I can't see the point in loads of milestones. Unless what you're saying is 'please just test milestones' A milestone is JUST a stop on yesterday. If there's a bug with a milestone - there was a bug yesterday. What people should be doing more of is weaning 'testers' off of a 4 or 5 shot testing schedule and asking them to test more often. - daily. The only thing I think that anyone gains is people mailing various lists saying 'we're testing for 2 days this week' Xubuntu has found - consistently - more bugs outside of any random milestone than within it. In fact at the beginning of the yak cycle - we found the 1587555 bug purely because we check iso's pretty much daily. Sorry - but I do not see the point in a whole load of work for people, just to stop for a day or two, when what should be going on is testing during the whole of a cycle. That's my pennyworth of pounds ;) -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: [FLAVOURS] QA Flavour Cycle meetup
As much as Lubuntu has consistently been involved in every milestone, I think, honestly, less milestones is attractive. It will, as Nio said, cause us to focus less on getting each milestone out and instead focus on testing across a wider scope. At least, that would be the emphasis to my team. On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote: > Hi, > > [continuing top posting] > > I suggest a compromise with one alpha and one beta release before the > final release. But we should also remind each other to check the daily iso > files - at least check the basic functions (that the live session and > installer work) > > Best regards > Nio > > > Den 2016-07-29 kl. 19:54, skrev Walter Lapchynski: > >> Do you think it necessary to have 3 milestones leading up to the final >> beta? >> >> On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 10:50 AM, Martin Wimpress >> wrote: >> >> Hi, >>> >>> Excuse the top posting, I've only got my phone with me. >>> >>> The timing didn't work for me to attend the meeting. But I'm certainly >>> interested in keeping the milestones because it has absolutely helped >>> identify issues before the panic of final beta. >>> >>> Regards, Martin. >>> >>> On 29 Jul 2016 6:20 p.m., "Walter Lapchynski" wrote: >>> >>> Well, it didn't seem like anyone showed up and some folks complained about the timing, while others said they'd rather not talk at all. That being said, perhaps we should discuss this in the mailing list. Is there anyone amongst flavors who would like to continue doing milestones? If not, maybe we should just forget about them. On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 8:05 AM, Set Hallstrom wrote: Hi, > I would very much like to participate. I don't have much to say about > it, but i'm interested in reading more about milestones, QA, howtos and > nottos. Since the meeting isn't confirmed yet and i'm far away from > home > and not really willing to rush to a commuter train within an hour, > i'll let > my irc avatar log the discussion and read it tomorrow. > > Looking forward to see where the discussion will take us, > > Set aka sakrecoer > > > -- > Set Hallström > Sent from my Ubuntu pocket computer > > > -- > Ubuntu-release mailing list > ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-release > > -- @wxl | http://polka.bike Lubuntu Release Manager & Head of QA Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Team Leader Ubuntu Membership Board & LoCo Council Member Eugene Unix & GNU/Linux User Group Co-Organizer -- Ubuntu-release mailing list ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-release >> >> > -- @wxl | http://polka.bike Lubuntu Release Manager & Head of QA Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Team Leader Ubuntu Membership Board & LoCo Council Member Eugene Unix & GNU/Linux User Group Co-Organizer -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: [FLAVOURS] QA Flavour Cycle meetup
Hi, [continuing top posting] I suggest a compromise with one alpha and one beta release before the final release. But we should also remind each other to check the daily iso files - at least check the basic functions (that the live session and installer work) Best regards Nio Den 2016-07-29 kl. 19:54, skrev Walter Lapchynski: Do you think it necessary to have 3 milestones leading up to the final beta? On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 10:50 AM, Martin Wimpress wrote: Hi, Excuse the top posting, I've only got my phone with me. The timing didn't work for me to attend the meeting. But I'm certainly interested in keeping the milestones because it has absolutely helped identify issues before the panic of final beta. Regards, Martin. On 29 Jul 2016 6:20 p.m., "Walter Lapchynski" wrote: Well, it didn't seem like anyone showed up and some folks complained about the timing, while others said they'd rather not talk at all. That being said, perhaps we should discuss this in the mailing list. Is there anyone amongst flavors who would like to continue doing milestones? If not, maybe we should just forget about them. On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 8:05 AM, Set Hallstrom wrote: Hi, I would very much like to participate. I don't have much to say about it, but i'm interested in reading more about milestones, QA, howtos and nottos. Since the meeting isn't confirmed yet and i'm far away from home and not really willing to rush to a commuter train within an hour, i'll let my irc avatar log the discussion and read it tomorrow. Looking forward to see where the discussion will take us, Set aka sakrecoer -- Set Hallström Sent from my Ubuntu pocket computer -- Ubuntu-release mailing list ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-release -- @wxl | http://polka.bike Lubuntu Release Manager & Head of QA Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Team Leader Ubuntu Membership Board & LoCo Council Member Eugene Unix & GNU/Linux User Group Co-Organizer -- Ubuntu-release mailing list ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-release -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: [FLAVOURS] QA Flavour Cycle meetup
Do you think it necessary to have 3 milestones leading up to the final beta? On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 10:50 AM, Martin Wimpress wrote: > Hi, > > Excuse the top posting, I've only got my phone with me. > > The timing didn't work for me to attend the meeting. But I'm certainly > interested in keeping the milestones because it has absolutely helped > identify issues before the panic of final beta. > > Regards, Martin. > > On 29 Jul 2016 6:20 p.m., "Walter Lapchynski" wrote: > >> Well, it didn't seem like anyone showed up and some folks complained >> about the timing, while others said they'd rather not talk at all. >> >> That being said, perhaps we should discuss this in the mailing list. >> >> Is there anyone amongst flavors who would like to continue doing >> milestones? If not, maybe we should just forget about them. >> >> On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 8:05 AM, Set Hallstrom >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> I would very much like to participate. I don't have much to say about >>> it, but i'm interested in reading more about milestones, QA, howtos and >>> nottos. Since the meeting isn't confirmed yet and i'm far away from home >>> and not really willing to rush to a commuter train within an hour, i'll let >>> my irc avatar log the discussion and read it tomorrow. >>> >>> Looking forward to see where the discussion will take us, >>> >>> Set aka sakrecoer >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Set Hallström >>> Sent from my Ubuntu pocket computer >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ubuntu-release mailing list >>> ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-release >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> @wxl | http://polka.bike >> Lubuntu Release Manager & Head of QA >> Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact >> Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Team Leader >> Ubuntu Membership Board & LoCo Council Member >> Eugene Unix & GNU/Linux User Group Co-Organizer >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-release mailing list >> ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-release >> >> -- @wxl | http://polka.bike Lubuntu Release Manager & Head of QA Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Team Leader Ubuntu Membership Board & LoCo Council Member Eugene Unix & GNU/Linux User Group Co-Organizer -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: [FLAVOURS] QA Flavour Cycle meetup
Well, it didn't seem like anyone showed up and some folks complained about the timing, while others said they'd rather not talk at all. That being said, perhaps we should discuss this in the mailing list. Is there anyone amongst flavors who would like to continue doing milestones? If not, maybe we should just forget about them. On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 8:05 AM, Set Hallstrom wrote: > Hi, > I would very much like to participate. I don't have much to say about it, > but i'm interested in reading more about milestones, QA, howtos and nottos. > Since the meeting isn't confirmed yet and i'm far away from home and not > really willing to rush to a commuter train within an hour, i'll let my irc > avatar log the discussion and read it tomorrow. > > Looking forward to see where the discussion will take us, > > Set aka sakrecoer > > > -- > Set Hallström > Sent from my Ubuntu pocket computer > > > -- > Ubuntu-release mailing list > ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-release > -- @wxl | http://polka.bike Lubuntu Release Manager & Head of QA Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Team Leader Ubuntu Membership Board & LoCo Council Member Eugene Unix & GNU/Linux User Group Co-Organizer -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: [FLAVOURS] QA Flavour Cycle meetup
Walter Lapchynski: > We need to organize together, which we're not doing too well. If you care about organization, my suggestion would be to put it written on a wiki that anyone could see, without digging too much in minor points. Make a draft of it and agree on the details later on. This is because, when people want to contribute, most of the time they won't be asking for information. But looking if it is already there, then decide if to help. Also realize how much time is usually spent in conversations than lead to very small actions. Better than that is to start making something and seek for agreement latter on, having some prototype on where to talk on. -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: [FLAVOURS] QA Flavour Cycle meetup
I would be happy to join the discussion, but anything before 18:00 UTC today is impossible for me. How about a doodle poll for sometime next week? Philip On 07/29/2016 09:22 AM, flocculant wrote: Agree with the sentiment. Not so sure about the need for a meeting less than 24hours after you bumped the subject. I know I'll likely not make it. On 28/07/16 18:20, Walter Lapchynski wrote: That being said, let's talk! I'd like to suggest we get together in #ubuntu-meeting tomorrow Friday 28 July 2016 at 1700 UTC. Feel free to suggest other days or times, but we need to figure this out before 23 August (Beta 1) and what better time than now? Regardless of whether or not you care about milestones, I think it would be great to have as many opinions as possible, so please come. ... -- @wxl | http://polka.bike Lubuntu Release Manager & Head of QA Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Team Leader Ubuntu Membership Board & LoCo Council Member Eugene Unix & GNU/Linux User Group Co-Organizer -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: [FLAVOURS] QA Flavour Cycle meetup
Agree with the sentiment. Not so sure about the need for a meeting less than 24hours after you bumped the subject. I know I'll likely not make it. On 28/07/16 18:20, Walter Lapchynski wrote: That being said, let's talk! I'd like to suggest we get together in #ubuntu-meeting tomorrow Friday 28 July 2016 at 1700 UTC. Feel free to suggest other days or times, but we need to figure this out before 23 August (Beta 1) and what better time than now? Regardless of whether or not you care about milestones, I think it would be great to have as many opinions as possible, so please come. ... -- @wxl | http://polka.bike Lubuntu Release Manager & Head of QA Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Team Leader Ubuntu Membership Board & LoCo Council Member Eugene Unix & GNU/Linux User Group Co-Organizer -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
Re: [FLAVOURS] QA Flavour Cycle meetup
This is well worth bringing up again, at least if we care about milestones. It's clear that Ubuntu does not. In fact, some of the Release Team would argue that we would be better off doing a wider scope of testing daily and I don't disagree. Canonical will not be holding our hands on this one. We need to organize together, which we're not doing too well. In fact, because of this, we all most didn't have an Alpha 2 release. No one had really said anything about Alpha 2 until we (Lubuntu) started asking in #ubuntu-release rather late in the day. We didn't know if anyone else wanted to release because no one had sent out an email ahead of time. The Release Team was kind enough to go through with providing images for what we presumed to be the right flavors (Lubuntu, MATE, Kylin— which happened to be the actual flavors intending to release, thankfully), but we cannot expect this from now on. The flavor needs must, as a community, organize themselves ahead of the day images are due to be made available (typically the Tuesday before release on Thursday) and make it clear to the Release Team what the plans are to be. If not, we're just not going to have milestones. Maybe that's not a bad thing. I, for one, would be willing to experiment without them, but I'm not sure everyone agrees. That being said, let's talk! I'd like to suggest we get together in #ubuntu-meeting tomorrow Friday 28 July 2016 at 1700 UTC. Feel free to suggest other days or times, but we need to figure this out before 23 August (Beta 1) and what better time than now? Regardless of whether or not you care about milestones, I think it would be great to have as many opinions as possible, so please come. On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 10:23 AM, flocculant wrote: > Hey all,` > > just wondering if the QA leads can grab a bit of time to just get together > somehow, put across what we hope to get done this cycle, maybe help each > other out, give each other ideas ... > > free flowing type of thing ... > > We all have to deal with similar issues - all cycle. > > We all have to work with the Canonical people - and it would be a lot > worse if they weren't all awesome ;) > > There's a whole lot we have to do - together surely it's got to be just a > little bit easier. > > We do however need to deal with who amongst us will deal with the > milestones, up to now it has been people from Lubuntu, Mate and Xubuntu > (Jonathan joined in when he was with Kubuntu) > > time for other teams to join in - even if timezones make it hard ... > > -- > Ubuntu-release mailing list > ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-release > -- @wxl | http://polka.bike Lubuntu Release Manager & Head of QA Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Team Leader Ubuntu Membership Board & LoCo Council Member Eugene Unix & GNU/Linux User Group Co-Organizer -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
