Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] wineasio interesting app
On 04/01/2018 06:51 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Hi, > > since building QjackCtl is easy to do, the rules and control files at > https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/qjackctl are helpful to do this, for > testing purpose consider to build a snap for QjackCtl, for usage with > jackd/bus and jack clients, from the regular install, outside of the > QjackCtl snap container. This is good advice thanks! > Suggestions based on hearsay, without any efforts to provide results, > often tends to be close to bikeshedding. Before building a wineasio > snap, try to find out why building wineasio has got tendencies to fail, > maybe the issues are from that kind, that building it with it's own > dependencies gains you nothing and first learn to build a snap for > something real-time audio related that is easy to build, but requires > communication via ALSA or jackd with clients and/or hardware. > > Regards, > Ralf > While I don't want to single out Ralf, I am going to not ignore this because this is something that does come up on FLOSS projects often. Giving a partial answer and a place to start is not to making suggestions based on hearsay. This type of gatekeeping comments, while well meaning is what keeps especially beginners and intermediate skilled people from sticking around long enough to gain more experience. That in return results in volunteer attrition and as prevents knowledge from being communicated. Let's try not to do that. Either way part of the question was how to make something available for ubuntu studio users to install via repos, and that was the answer to that part of the question. These are the options. Whether which of them are technically viable is the following question to answer. Thanks :) Best Eylul -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] wineasio interesting app
On Sun, 1 Apr 2018 18:12:55 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >PS: I got my hands dirty, trying to build a snap for QjackCtl, but >including jackd. This was a long time ago, nowadays doing connections >between the snap and the host Linux likely has improved a lot. > >The thread is at >https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/snapcraft/2016-July/000394.html it's Oops, the first link should read https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/snapcraft/2016-July/ . >"Is there a German howto/documentation for snapcraft?", IOW it's >https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/snapcraft/2016-July/000394.html and >follow-ups. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] wineasio interesting app
PS: I got my hands dirty, trying to build a snap for QjackCtl, but including jackd. This was a long time ago, nowadays doing connections between the snap and the host Linux likely has improved a lot. The thread is at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/snapcraft/2016-July/000394.html it's "Is there a German howto/documentation for snapcraft?", IOW it's https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/snapcraft/2016-July/000394.html and follow-ups. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] wineasio interesting app
On Sun, 1 Apr 2018 18:21:12 +0300, eylul wrote: >Of course there is also the option of snap packages that can be worth >investigating. Hi, since building QjackCtl is easy to do, the rules and control files at https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/qjackctl are helpful to do this, for testing purpose consider to build a snap for QjackCtl, for usage with jackd/bus and jack clients, from the regular install, outside of the QjackCtl snap container. >I hope this is helpful and not discouraging. Suggestions based on hearsay, without any efforts to provide results, often tends to be close to bikeshedding. Before building a wineasio snap, try to find out why building wineasio has got tendencies to fail, maybe the issues are from that kind, that building it with it's own dependencies gains you nothing and first learn to build a snap for something real-time audio related that is easy to build, but requires communication via ALSA or jackd with clients and/or hardware. Regards, Ralf -- pacman -Q linux{,-rt{-securityink,-cornflower,,-pussytoes}}|cut -d\ -f2 4.15.15-1 4.14.29_rt25-1 4.14.28_rt23-1 4.14.24_rt19-1 4.14.8_rt9-2 -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] wineasio interesting app
Hi! We are not dependent on xubuntu specifically. All the flavors have access to the whole ubuntu repository. Some of our desktop side setup inherits xubuntu packages as we use xfce. If wineasio is available on ubuntu repos, users at least should be able to install it. Generally the bottom line problem with any of these issues (similar to the earlier comment about cadence, I'd honestly love to see Carla and Godot game engine in repos too) we need someone to package them, for debian or ubuntu. Packaging for debian is a tricky issue. 1) We need people with experience to package these programs. Ideally we should hold a workshop to get more people trained in this sooner than later (I know I was hoping for that when I joined the team but due to various reasons that didn't happen :) ) but none of the programs mentioned above are easy, introduction level cases. 2) Debian requirements can be strict and that can conflict with some features of some of these programs. Also sometimes new software or updates with substantial changes can take a while to get approved as there needs to be a manual review of the submitted packages. (People on mailing list might remember the issue with Krita package) If debian repos is not possible, it is possible to sometimes put things directly into ubuntu repos. This is done on a case by case basis. We could talk to Kubuntu team to learn about details of this procedure as they do maintain a kubuntu repo. I would be willing to help doing communication side of this if someone wants to work on packaging, but especially if we have a repo it means a responsibility and commitment to regularly update and maintain that repo. Do we have people who can commit medium to long term to do this? It won't be a one time task. :) Of course there is also the option of snap packages that can be worth investigating. I hope this is helpful and not discouraging. :) Best Eylul On 04/01/2018 02:48 PM, Thomas Pfundt wrote: > On March 31, 2018 3:07 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> Hi >> >> it's probably missing for hysterical raisins. [...] >> I would recommend to test it and to do research how much wanted it >> is by Linux, especially Ubuntu users first. >> >> The more packages you add, the harder it becomes to maintain/test all >> packages. Since Ubuntu Studio suffers from missing manpower [1], >> consider, if making Ubuntu Studio more bloated is a step into the right >> direction. > > Hi all, > > I would suggest that WineASIO is a great way for a lot of people using > Wine-compatible Windows DAWs and standalone VSTis to make them run on their > Linux installation without much hassle in a semi-professional environment. > I've used it myself for a long time after I switched, but from my > understanding, there are only two ways to get a working WineASIO > configuration on Ubuntu Studio: > > 1.) Add the Kxstudio repositories and install their "wine-rt" and "wineasio" > builds. (I believe that those only work in conjunction.) Problem: The > Kxstudio wine-rt build is completely outdated at this point (it was on > version 1.9.x the last time I installed it, the official release is at 3.x > now) and FalkXT, the maintainer of Kxstudio mentioned in some forum post that > the real-time patch became obsolete anyway with the Wine staging branch at > some point. > > 2.) Install wine from the official packages and build WineASIO from the > official Sourceforge. I've never tried this myself, but I've read that there > can be some issues involved with Ubuntu. I haven't bothered to find out > what's the catch, since I switched to Reaper for Linux for my DAW, which is > JACK-compatible and I can work with LinVst to run most of my plugins, but for > someone who is dependent on a certain VST, this could be a problem, if they > are unable to get WineASIO working or just switched and have no idea how to > do so at all. > > IMHO, a way 3 would be desirable: To install a recent version of the regular > Wine build either from the distro's repository or the official packages and > separately "sudo apt install wineasio" and register it to that Wine > installation. I think that's something that most newcomers would be > comfortable doing and the best solution to stay updated. > > If I understand it correctly, Ubuntu Studio is completely dependent on the > regular Xubuntu repository at this point? So, WineASIO would have to be added > as a package to Xubuntu to be available to Ubuntu Studio users for > installation? > > I would be willing to figure out what problems there are in building and > installing WineASIO from the official source and how to use it with the most > recent stable Wine version, however I'm not sure what else is involed in > adding it to the repository (or at least offer some kind of PPA) and could > use some guidance to make the right steps. > > > Kind regards, > Thomas > signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] US still alive !
Hi Set and all others, on the general topic: Back in February when Ross Gammon asked for help with the 16.04.4 ISO-testing, he also mentioned the possible formation of a new project council. Two other members of the mailing list and I have already offered our assistance in our own respective areas of proficiency. (I don't know if I should tentatively mention their contacts, but they're probably reading reading this list and can join in at their own sentiment.) I've basically been waiting for a word on some kind of get-together to discuss roles or division for what's on the road map, but I might have misunderstood something. I'll look into signing the code of conduct myself right now and try to get a better overview of the current state of everything. Anyway, I'll be available throughout this year and help with what I can, so "count me in". Kind regards, Thomas -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] wineasio interesting app
On March 31, 2018 3:07 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Hi > > it's probably missing for hysterical raisins. [...] > I would recommend to test it and to do research how much wanted it > is by Linux, especially Ubuntu users first. > > The more packages you add, the harder it becomes to maintain/test all > packages. Since Ubuntu Studio suffers from missing manpower [1], > consider, if making Ubuntu Studio more bloated is a step into the right > direction. Hi all, I would suggest that WineASIO is a great way for a lot of people using Wine-compatible Windows DAWs and standalone VSTis to make them run on their Linux installation without much hassle in a semi-professional environment. I've used it myself for a long time after I switched, but from my understanding, there are only two ways to get a working WineASIO configuration on Ubuntu Studio: 1.) Add the Kxstudio repositories and install their "wine-rt" and "wineasio" builds. (I believe that those only work in conjunction.) Problem: The Kxstudio wine-rt build is completely outdated at this point (it was on version 1.9.x the last time I installed it, the official release is at 3.x now) and FalkXT, the maintainer of Kxstudio mentioned in some forum post that the real-time patch became obsolete anyway with the Wine staging branch at some point. 2.) Install wine from the official packages and build WineASIO from the official Sourceforge. I've never tried this myself, but I've read that there can be some issues involved with Ubuntu. I haven't bothered to find out what's the catch, since I switched to Reaper for Linux for my DAW, which is JACK-compatible and I can work with LinVst to run most of my plugins, but for someone who is dependent on a certain VST, this could be a problem, if they are unable to get WineASIO working or just switched and have no idea how to do so at all. IMHO, a way 3 would be desirable: To install a recent version of the regular Wine build either from the distro's repository or the official packages and separately "sudo apt install wineasio" and register it to that Wine installation. I think that's something that most newcomers would be comfortable doing and the best solution to stay updated. If I understand it correctly, Ubuntu Studio is completely dependent on the regular Xubuntu repository at this point? So, WineASIO would have to be added as a package to Xubuntu to be available to Ubuntu Studio users for installation? I would be willing to figure out what problems there are in building and installing WineASIO from the official source and how to use it with the most recent stable Wine version, however I'm not sure what else is involed in adding it to the repository (or at least offer some kind of PPA) and could use some guidance to make the right steps. Kind regards, Thomas -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel