Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Artwork license

2015-09-23 Thread Set Hallstrom 
On 2015-09-23 10:19, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

> The combination of data is the issue. Your pictures comments mention
> "GIMP", so in combination with other meta data I now know what
> brand of cigarettes you are smoking and what sexual preferences you
> have, "GIMP" was the missing data for profiling.

Thanks for the feedback Ralf. I miss-phrased myself, I'm aware of the
issue you point out. I guess i was comparing having "gimp" in the
comment to having "adobe photoshop" there. It just doesn't make sense:
We are supposed to be the freedom alternative to the products they sell :D

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Artwork license

2015-09-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf 
On Wed, 23 Sep 2015 08:47:55 +0200, Set Hallstrom wrote:
>I would really like to see a manual on anonymization and basic privacy
>hygenia. Or some links to information about it on the website. I think
>it would be very beneficial to reporters using ubuntustudio.

A lot of users are not aware about the email headers.

Get in contact with somebody on a social network, share emails, take a
look at the emails headers. Sometimes a private server is listed. Go to
a page such as https://www.denic.de/ and you can start stalking,
because they provide address, telephone number and fax number. No need
to be a geek or NSA employee.

If no private server is listed, then perhaps a selfie is helpful for
stalking.

http://blog.stevenocchipinti.com/2011/11/removing-geotag-data-from-jpgs.html/

Some people don't have concerns, they guess this data is comparable to
data provided by phone books. They miss that phone books don't provide
data that is useful for profiling, while all that digital meta data
makes profiling easy and phone books seldom inspire strange longings,
but a social network easily does.

The combination of data is the issue. Your pictures comments mention
"GIMP", so in combination with other meta data I now know what
brand of cigarettes you are smoking and what sexual preferences you
have, "GIMP" was the missing data for profiling.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Artwork license

2015-09-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf 
On Wed, 23 Sep 2015 08:47:55 +0200, Set Hallstrom wrote:
>But adobe really do not need more credits.

Then perhaps the Adobe entries should be removed from Wily's packages
ubuntustudio-icon-theme 0.16.

I couldn't see an issue after removing all Adobe related entries:

[weremouse@moonstudio ~]$ diff 
/usr/share/icons/ubuntustudio/places/128/distributor-logo.svg 
Desktop/drawing.svg 
5c5
  
1118,1127c1118
< http://ns.adobe.com/AdobeIllustrator/10.0/";>
<   
< 
---
>   
2836,2845c2827
< http://ns.adobe.com/AdobeIllustrator/10.0/";>
<   
< 
---
>  

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Artwork license

2015-09-22 Thread Set Hallstrom 
I think those adobe photoshop credentials are useless... Looking around
the web you get the feeling it is required because almost all svg have
it. But inkscape do not produce those links in the plain svg files it
creates.

I don't mind freesoftware brands appearing in the comments. But it is
good to know that ones name may appear there, for reasons lukefromdc
explains. But adobe really do not need more credits.

I would really like to see a manual on anonymization and basic privacy
hygenia. Or some links to information about it on the website. I think
it would be very beneficial to reporters using ubuntustudio.

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[ubuntu-studio-devel] Artwork license

2015-09-21 Thread Mike Holstein 
On Monday, September 21, 2015, Ralf Mardorf > wrote:

> On Mon, 21 Sep 2015 09:28:15 +0200, ttoine wrote:
> >why not the latest CC-by-sa 4.0 ?
>
> Hi,
>
> I don't want to read texts I'm anyway unable to understand, because
> they are written in lawyer language, instead I prefer to read how to
> make a svg file look equal, what ever application is used to open the
> svg file.
> Assumed I should use the Ubuntu Studio logo from the
> ubuntustudio-icon-theme package, can I update the license?
>
> $ dpkg -l ubuntustudio-icon-theme|tail -n1|awk '{print $2" "$3}'
> ubuntustudio-icon-theme 0.16
> $ grep CC-BY-SA /usr/share/doc/ubuntustudio-icon-theme/copyright
> License: CC-BY-SA-2.5
>
> [ironic] If somebody should misuse a Creative Commons spray paint
> stencils, would the police in some countries knock on the doors of the
> copyright holders? [/ironic]
>
> Sharing art was much easier in the punk-rocking 80s. Still today I
> would make my own art public without a license.
>
> The other question was about meta data add by applications. I didn't
> miss a law that nowadays enforces us to mention the used tools to
> create a jpg, png, svg?
>
> For art I made in the past I never mentioned Canon AE-1 Program,
> DeVilbiss Aerograph "Super 63", Yamaha DX7, Yamaha SPX90II, Fender
> 150XL or what ever else was used.
>
> A wallpaper I already made without the Ubuntu Studio logo includes
>
> $ exiftool Pictures/moonstudio_wallpaper_1.png | grep Comment
> Comment : Created with GIMP
>
> because it's a default for GIMP. Is it just craving for recognition by
> the coders or do they help to fulfil laws?
>
> I never mentioned, if I used a Da Vinci Kolinsky or a No-name
> Kolinsky or if I used water-colours from Schmincke or not.
>
> My understanding is, that comments mentioning the software that was
> used can be removed. Namespace data for svg sometimes perhaps can't
> be removed, but I guess it's allowed to rename "Adobe" to "foo" and
> "Inkscape" to "bar".
>
> I'm serious! I've got concerns against all that sharing of data.


No one will make you share anything. Is that the question? How to make a
file with no meta data? I think, it's safe to assume graphics are created
and/or edited in a graphics manipulation program. Identifying said program
really just does that. It identifies the tool. Advertising for said tool is
a great reason. Maybe the developers of gimp would have more to offer on
the decision to include metadata that identifies the tool. I'm +1 for
leaving that identifying information in by default. I'm sure we can discuss
constructively how to create a file in gimp or Linux, generally, without
said identifiers.



> Making art I don't have secret recipes, I'm willing to share all
> information, but I dislike to include advertising and privacy data to a
> file of a picture or song.
>
> Regards,
> Ralf
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Artwork license

2015-09-21 Thread lukefromdc 
That's a good point. Consider this scenario: People put their names on 
everything.
and the software is used by insurgents against a repressive regime. Unable to 
catch
the insurgents, the regime in question simply goes after any and all persons 
whose 
names can be tied to the work, copyright holders of the tools included.

Here in the US, if someone is arrested with a cell phone, every person whose 
phone
number is in that phone is potentially placed at risk if the case is "hot" 
enough. In 
addition, metadata attached to finished work can be used to tie one piece of 
work
to another. That plus concealing the camera I use is why all jpegs I publish 
shot from
my camera are stripped of their metadata. For years I have encouraged the 
anonymization
of such things: if you always strip metadata, you won't forget to do so when it 
really 
counts, like when a police shooting triggers an uprising and police hunt 
independent
cameramen and videographers for "evidence." 

It is also a common practice here that when underground activists put "points 
on the 
board" against something like logging or gas fracking, aboveground activists 
whose 
names are known are harassed. 

There is a lot of media published by those who must conceal their true names! I 
don't
permit my "legal" name to cross the Internet, and release the news media pieces 
I 
write to public domain with no names on photos or videos other than those of 
other
activists who want their names used and provided 3ed party media.


On 9/21/2015 at 5:29 AM, "Ralf Mardorf"  wrote:
>
>On Mon, 21 Sep 2015 09:28:15 +0200, ttoine wrote:
>>why not the latest CC-by-sa 4.0 ?
>
>Hi,
>
>I don't want to read texts I'm anyway unable to understand, because
>they are written in lawyer language, instead I prefer to read how 
>to
>make a svg file look equal, what ever application is used to open 
>the
>svg file.
>Assumed I should use the Ubuntu Studio logo from the
>ubuntustudio-icon-theme package, can I update the license?
>
>$ dpkg -l ubuntustudio-icon-theme|tail -n1|awk '{print $2" "$3}'
>ubuntustudio-icon-theme 0.16
>$ grep CC-BY-SA /usr/share/doc/ubuntustudio-icon-theme/copyright
>License: CC-BY-SA-2.5
>
>[ironic] If somebody should misuse a Creative Commons spray paint
>stencils, would the police in some countries knock on the doors of 
>the
>copyright holders? [/ironic]
>
>Sharing art was much easier in the punk-rocking 80s. Still today I
>would make my own art public without a license.
>
>The other question was about meta data add by applications. I 
>didn't
>miss a law that nowadays enforces us to mention the used tools to
>create a jpg, png, svg?
>
>For art I made in the past I never mentioned Canon AE-1 Program,
>DeVilbiss Aerograph "Super 63", Yamaha DX7, Yamaha SPX90II, Fender
>150XL or what ever else was used.
>
>A wallpaper I already made without the Ubuntu Studio logo includes
>
>$ exiftool Pictures/moonstudio_wallpaper_1.png | grep Comment
>Comment : Created with GIMP
>
>because it's a default for GIMP. Is it just craving for 
>recognition by
>the coders or do they help to fulfil laws?
>
>I never mentioned, if I used a Da Vinci Kolinsky or a No-name
>Kolinsky or if I used water-colours from Schmincke or not.
>
>My understanding is, that comments mentioning the software that was
>used can be removed. Namespace data for svg sometimes perhaps can't
>be removed, but I guess it's allowed to rename "Adobe" to "foo" and
>"Inkscape" to "bar".
>
>I'm serious! I've got concerns against all that sharing of data.
>Making art I don't have secret recipes, I'm willing to share all
>information, but I dislike to include advertising and privacy data 
>to a
>file of a picture or song.
>
>Regards,
>Ralf
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Artwork license

2015-09-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf 
On Mon, 21 Sep 2015 09:28:15 +0200, ttoine wrote:
>why not the latest CC-by-sa 4.0 ?

Hi,

I don't want to read texts I'm anyway unable to understand, because
they are written in lawyer language, instead I prefer to read how to
make a svg file look equal, what ever application is used to open the
svg file.
Assumed I should use the Ubuntu Studio logo from the
ubuntustudio-icon-theme package, can I update the license?

$ dpkg -l ubuntustudio-icon-theme|tail -n1|awk '{print $2" "$3}'
ubuntustudio-icon-theme 0.16
$ grep CC-BY-SA /usr/share/doc/ubuntustudio-icon-theme/copyright
License: CC-BY-SA-2.5

[ironic] If somebody should misuse a Creative Commons spray paint
stencils, would the police in some countries knock on the doors of the
copyright holders? [/ironic]

Sharing art was much easier in the punk-rocking 80s. Still today I
would make my own art public without a license.

The other question was about meta data add by applications. I didn't
miss a law that nowadays enforces us to mention the used tools to
create a jpg, png, svg?

For art I made in the past I never mentioned Canon AE-1 Program,
DeVilbiss Aerograph "Super 63", Yamaha DX7, Yamaha SPX90II, Fender
150XL or what ever else was used.

A wallpaper I already made without the Ubuntu Studio logo includes

$ exiftool Pictures/moonstudio_wallpaper_1.png | grep Comment
Comment : Created with GIMP

because it's a default for GIMP. Is it just craving for recognition by
the coders or do they help to fulfil laws?

I never mentioned, if I used a Da Vinci Kolinsky or a No-name
Kolinsky or if I used water-colours from Schmincke or not.

My understanding is, that comments mentioning the software that was
used can be removed. Namespace data for svg sometimes perhaps can't
be removed, but I guess it's allowed to rename "Adobe" to "foo" and
"Inkscape" to "bar".

I'm serious! I've got concerns against all that sharing of data.
Making art I don't have secret recipes, I'm willing to share all
information, but I dislike to include advertising and privacy data to a
file of a picture or song.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Artwork license

2015-09-21 Thread ttoine 
why not the latest CC-by-sa 4.0 ?


Antoine THOMAS
Tél: 0663137906

2015-09-20 23:35 GMT+02:00 Ralf Mardorf :

> Hi,
>
> what are the Adobe Illustrator namespace entries in the Ubuntu Studio
> logo files are good for? Removing them from the file seems to have no
> impact to the graphic [1].
>
> If I use the Ubuntu Studio logo for a wallpaper, but the wallpaper is a
> pixel graphic without the svg data and assumed I would make this
> wallpaper public, who needs to be mentioned?
>
> If IIUC this wallpaper needs to become CC-BY-SA-2.5 and the jpg or png
> data or an additional file needs to mention Scott and Len and the
> Creative Commons [2].
>
> Meta-data mentioning Illustrator or Incsacpe can be dropped.
>
> Regards,
> Ralf
>
> [1]
> [weremouse@moonstudio ~]$ diff
> /usr/share/icons/ubuntustudio/places/128/distributor-logo.svg
> Desktop/drawing.svg
> 5c5
>  ---
> >
> 1118,1127c1118
> <       
> <<  xlink:href="#adobe_illustrator_pgf" />
> < 
> ---
> >
> 2836,2845c2827
> <       
> <<  xlink:href="#adobe_illustrator_pgf" />
> < 
> ---
> >
>
>
> [2]
> weremouse@moonstudio ~]$ cat
> /usr/share/doc/ubuntustudio-icon-theme/copyright
> [snip]
> Files: /usr/*
> Copyright: 2012 - 2013, Scott Lavender 
> 2012 - 2013, Len Ovens 
> License: CC-BY-SA-2.5
>  The UbuntuStudio Icon Theme is licensed under the Creative Commons Legal
> Code
>  Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5
> [snip]
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[ubuntu-studio-devel] Artwork license

2015-09-20 Thread Ralf Mardorf 
Hi,

what are the Adobe Illustrator namespace entries in the Ubuntu Studio
logo files are good for? Removing them from the file seems to have no
impact to the graphic [1].

If I use the Ubuntu Studio logo for a wallpaper, but the wallpaper is a
pixel graphic without the svg data and assumed I would make this
wallpaper public, who needs to be mentioned?

If IIUC this wallpaper needs to become CC-BY-SA-2.5 and the jpg or png
data or an additional file needs to mention Scott and Len and the
Creative Commons [2].

Meta-data mentioning Illustrator or Incsacpe can be dropped.

Regards,
Ralf

[1]
[weremouse@moonstudio ~]$ diff 
/usr/share/icons/ubuntustudio/places/128/distributor-logo.svg 
Desktop/drawing.svg 
5c5

1118,1127c1118
< http://ns.adobe.com/AdobeIllustrator/10.0/";>
<   
< 
---
> 
2836,2845c2827
< http://ns.adobe.com/AdobeIllustrator/10.0/";>
<   
< 
---
>


[2]
weremouse@moonstudio ~]$ cat /usr/share/doc/ubuntustudio-icon-theme/copyright
[snip]
Files: /usr/*
Copyright: 2012 - 2013, Scott Lavender 
2012 - 2013, Len Ovens 
License: CC-BY-SA-2.5
 The UbuntuStudio Icon Theme is licensed under the Creative Commons Legal Code 
 Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5
[snip]

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