Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga
On 2/2/19 11:23 PM, Len Ovens wrote: > On Sat, 2 Feb 2019, Ross Gammon wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> The problem with the calf plugin is fixed in Debian! lmms now only >> recommends calf-ladspa or whatever it was called, instead of Depending >> on it, which was wrong! > > So, does LMMS actually work without the calf LV1 package? As in can the > user do what they expect to be able to do? > If the user has a project that includes the calf plugins, I would > assume that project will now be broken and to fix it they will want to > install the calf LV1 package, What packages will have to be removed (or > will be autoremoved) for that package to install and what other > Applications will be broken by this? > > > -- > Len Ovens > www.ovenwerks.net > > As far as I know, you can use lmms without any plugins (not tested). That would be the normal setup for any application. There was no argument suggesting otherwise on the Debian bugs. If they need calf-ladspa, then when they install it they will have to remove calf-plugins, because the two packages conflict with each other. We might need to blacklist calf-ladspa in our seeds. I have not had time to investigate, but I read in one thread that upstream had already renamed their internal copy of calf to veal. That would probably make the problem of other tools (e.g. ardour) picking up the old calf plugin and crashing go away. In any case the long term solution should be to drop the "public" plugin package and keep it private to lmms. But we needed a fast fix because Debian is going into a release freeze. Ross signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga
On Sat, 2 Feb 2019, Ross Gammon wrote: Hi All, The problem with the calf plugin is fixed in Debian! lmms now only recommends calf-ladspa or whatever it was called, instead of Depending on it, which was wrong! So, does LMMS actually work without the calf LV1 package? As in can the user do what they expect to be able to do? If the user has a project that includes the calf plugins, I would assume that project will now be broken and to fix it they will want to install the calf LV1 package, What packages will have to be removed (or will be autoremoved) for that package to install and what other Applications will be broken by this? -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga
Hi Ross, On 2/2/2019 1:56 AM, Ross Gammon wrote: > [snip] The temporary fix is simple (to stop the LiveCD failure). > Revert the seeds change and exclude lmms. Probably the best route for the moment. Honestly, I'm inclined to agree with Len on this one as lmms is running behind, technologically speaking. There have to be better solutions for its use case. Anyone who has an idea on this, feel free to chime-in. > Another possibility, is to upload an Ubuntu version changing the > Depends to Recommends. But then I am worried we will run into GCCv8 > build failures on amd64 & i386 which is the other fix included in the > latest Debian version. I agree, we should do everything we can to stick to the Debian version since it has the necessary fixes. > Hopefully I will have a chance to dig further this weekend, but I > can't guarantee it. I totally get that. Had an interesting latter-half of the week myself. My truck's tires all needed to be changed, but became more critical with a rather large bulge in one of them suggesting imminent blow-out. Additionally, I like to reserve my weekends to being with my family. > Ross PS: I will do the temporary fix now though. That is easy. Perfect. I've already announced that there's a possibility that lmms won't be included in 19.04. Seems to have been met with the proverbial shrug by most of the community. Erich signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga
Hi All, The problem with the calf plugin is fixed in Debian! lmms now only recommends calf-ladspa or whatever it was called, instead of Depending on it, which was wrong! The problem now, is that even though the new Debian version of lmms builds fine on all architectures, it does not build on ppc64el in Ubuntu. Therefore this latest version is stuck in -proposed. I have not had time to understand what the difference in build environment is between Debian and Ubuntu, or whether it is because the build dependencies are different. I have not had time to contact upstream about it either. It will not be a fun discussion anyway, as we are several versions behind upstream, and they are up to v1.2.0-rc7, so are probably working on getting the final release ready. The temporary fix is simple (to stop the LiveCD failure). Revert the seeds change and exclude lmms. Another possibility, is to upload an Ubuntu version changing the Depends to Recommends. But then I am worried we will run into GCCv8 build failures on amd64 & i386 which is the other fix included in the latest Debian version. Hopefully I will have a chance to dig further this weekend, but I can't guarantee it. Ross PS: I will do the temporary fix now though. That is easy. On 2/1/19 6:59 AM, Erich Eickmeyer wrote: > Because that’s not how it works. If it’s in upstream Debian, it is in > Ubuntu. Remember, Ubuntu Studio is not a separate distribution from > Ubuntu. Therefore, when a package is in Debian, we work with that. > > > > *From:* ubuntu-studio-devel > on behalf of Jonathan > Aquilina > *Sent:* Thursday, January 31, 2019 9:56 PM > *To:* Ubuntu Studio Development > *Subject:* Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga > > > What about not pulling the package from Debian due to this and compiling > it specifically for US? > > > > *From:*ubuntu-studio-devel > *On Behalf Of *Erich > Eickmeyer > *Sent:* 01 February 2019 06:56 > *To:* Ubuntu Studio Development > *Subject:* Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga > > > > Yes. The Calf developers have and were met with the response of a brick > wall. Ross is working on it. > > > > > > > > *From:*ubuntu-studio-devel <mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com>> on behalf of > Jonathan Aquilina mailto:jaquil...@eagleeyet.net>> > *Sent:* Thursday, January 31, 2019 9:54 PM > *To:* Ubuntu Studio Development > *Subject:* Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga > > > > Has anyone tried to speak to the maintainer to try and ascertain the > reasoning behind it? > > > > Regards, > > Jonathan > > > > *From:*ubuntu-studio-devel <mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com>> *On Behalf Of > *Erich Eickmeyer > *Sent:* 01 February 2019 06:43 > *To:* Ubuntu Studio Development <mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com>> > *Subject:* Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga > > > > LMMS isn’t the problem. The problem was erroneous packaging by the > Debian packager. > > > > The ladspa version of the Calf plugins were never meant to be exposed to > other applications besides LMMS, but the packager of LMMS in Debian > decided to expose the ladpsa version to the rest of the system against > the advice of both the Calf and LMMS developers. > > > > > > Erich > > > > > > ---------------------------- > > *From:*ubuntu-studio-devel <mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com>> on behalf of > Jonathan Aquilina mailto:jaquil...@eagleeyet.net>> > *Sent:* Thursday, January 31, 2019 9:39 PM > *To:* Ubuntu Studio Development > *Subject:* Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga > > > > Has anyone even subscribed to the lmms mailing list to discuss this > there and maybe get it squared away once and for all? > > -Original Message- > From: ubuntu-studio-devel <mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com>> On Behalf Of > er...@ericheickmeyer.com <mailto:er...@ericheickmeyer.com> > Sent: 01 February 2019 00:49 > To: Ubuntu Studio Development <mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com>> > Subject: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga > > Hi everyone, > > Specifically to Ross: where are we at with this bane-of-our-existence > conflict (LP: 1810534)? ISO builds are still failing and will probably > fail until we can g
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga
Because that’s not how it works. If it’s in upstream Debian, it is in Ubuntu. Remember, Ubuntu Studio is not a separate distribution from Ubuntu. Therefore, when a package is in Debian, we work with that. From: ubuntu-studio-devel on behalf of Jonathan Aquilina Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 9:56 PM To: Ubuntu Studio Development Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga What about not pulling the package from Debian due to this and compiling it specifically for US? From: ubuntu-studio-devel On Behalf Of Erich Eickmeyer Sent: 01 February 2019 06:56 To: Ubuntu Studio Development Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga Yes. The Calf developers have and were met with the response of a brick wall. Ross is working on it. From: ubuntu-studio-devel mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com>> on behalf of Jonathan Aquilina mailto:jaquil...@eagleeyet.net>> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 9:54 PM To: Ubuntu Studio Development Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga Has anyone tried to speak to the maintainer to try and ascertain the reasoning behind it? Regards, Jonathan From: ubuntu-studio-devel mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com>> On Behalf Of Erich Eickmeyer Sent: 01 February 2019 06:43 To: Ubuntu Studio Development mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga LMMS isn’t the problem. The problem was erroneous packaging by the Debian packager. The ladspa version of the Calf plugins were never meant to be exposed to other applications besides LMMS, but the packager of LMMS in Debian decided to expose the ladpsa version to the rest of the system against the advice of both the Calf and LMMS developers. Erich From: ubuntu-studio-devel mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com>> on behalf of Jonathan Aquilina mailto:jaquil...@eagleeyet.net>> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 9:39 PM To: Ubuntu Studio Development Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga Has anyone even subscribed to the lmms mailing list to discuss this there and maybe get it squared away once and for all? -Original Message- From: ubuntu-studio-devel mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com>> On Behalf Of er...@ericheickmeyer.com<mailto:er...@ericheickmeyer.com> Sent: 01 February 2019 00:49 To: Ubuntu Studio Development mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com>> Subject: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga Hi everyone, Specifically to Ross: where are we at with this bane-of-our-existence conflict (LP: 1810534)? ISO builds are still failing and will probably fail until we can get lmms from Debian to build properly. So, any more word? Thanks, Erich -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com<mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga
What about not pulling the package from Debian due to this and compiling it specifically for US? From: ubuntu-studio-devel On Behalf Of Erich Eickmeyer Sent: 01 February 2019 06:56 To: Ubuntu Studio Development Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga Yes. The Calf developers have and were met with the response of a brick wall. Ross is working on it. From: ubuntu-studio-devel mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com>> on behalf of Jonathan Aquilina mailto:jaquil...@eagleeyet.net>> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 9:54 PM To: Ubuntu Studio Development Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga Has anyone tried to speak to the maintainer to try and ascertain the reasoning behind it? Regards, Jonathan From: ubuntu-studio-devel mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com>> On Behalf Of Erich Eickmeyer Sent: 01 February 2019 06:43 To: Ubuntu Studio Development mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga LMMS isn't the problem. The problem was erroneous packaging by the Debian packager. The ladspa version of the Calf plugins were never meant to be exposed to other applications besides LMMS, but the packager of LMMS in Debian decided to expose the ladpsa version to the rest of the system against the advice of both the Calf and LMMS developers. Erich From: ubuntu-studio-devel mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com>> on behalf of Jonathan Aquilina mailto:jaquil...@eagleeyet.net>> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 9:39 PM To: Ubuntu Studio Development Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga Has anyone even subscribed to the lmms mailing list to discuss this there and maybe get it squared away once and for all? -Original Message- From: ubuntu-studio-devel mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com>> On Behalf Of er...@ericheickmeyer.com<mailto:er...@ericheickmeyer.com> Sent: 01 February 2019 00:49 To: Ubuntu Studio Development mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com>> Subject: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga Hi everyone, Specifically to Ross: where are we at with this bane-of-our-existence conflict (LP: 1810534)? ISO builds are still failing and will probably fail until we can get lmms from Debian to build properly. So, any more word? Thanks, Erich -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com<mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga
Yes. The Calf developers have and were met with the response of a brick wall. Ross is working on it. From: ubuntu-studio-devel on behalf of Jonathan Aquilina Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 9:54 PM To: Ubuntu Studio Development Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga Has anyone tried to speak to the maintainer to try and ascertain the reasoning behind it? Regards, Jonathan From: ubuntu-studio-devel On Behalf Of Erich Eickmeyer Sent: 01 February 2019 06:43 To: Ubuntu Studio Development Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga LMMS isn’t the problem. The problem was erroneous packaging by the Debian packager. The ladspa version of the Calf plugins were never meant to be exposed to other applications besides LMMS, but the packager of LMMS in Debian decided to expose the ladpsa version to the rest of the system against the advice of both the Calf and LMMS developers. Erich From: ubuntu-studio-devel mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com>> on behalf of Jonathan Aquilina mailto:jaquil...@eagleeyet.net>> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 9:39 PM To: Ubuntu Studio Development Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga Has anyone even subscribed to the lmms mailing list to discuss this there and maybe get it squared away once and for all? -Original Message- From: ubuntu-studio-devel mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com>> On Behalf Of er...@ericheickmeyer.com<mailto:er...@ericheickmeyer.com> Sent: 01 February 2019 00:49 To: Ubuntu Studio Development mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com>> Subject: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga Hi everyone, Specifically to Ross: where are we at with this bane-of-our-existence conflict (LP: 1810534)? ISO builds are still failing and will probably fail until we can get lmms from Debian to build properly. So, any more word? Thanks, Erich -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com<mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga
Has anyone tried to speak to the maintainer to try and ascertain the reasoning behind it? Regards, Jonathan From: ubuntu-studio-devel On Behalf Of Erich Eickmeyer Sent: 01 February 2019 06:43 To: Ubuntu Studio Development Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga LMMS isn't the problem. The problem was erroneous packaging by the Debian packager. The ladspa version of the Calf plugins were never meant to be exposed to other applications besides LMMS, but the packager of LMMS in Debian decided to expose the ladpsa version to the rest of the system against the advice of both the Calf and LMMS developers. Erich From: ubuntu-studio-devel mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com>> on behalf of Jonathan Aquilina mailto:jaquil...@eagleeyet.net>> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 9:39 PM To: Ubuntu Studio Development Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga Has anyone even subscribed to the lmms mailing list to discuss this there and maybe get it squared away once and for all? -Original Message- From: ubuntu-studio-devel mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com>> On Behalf Of er...@ericheickmeyer.com<mailto:er...@ericheickmeyer.com> Sent: 01 February 2019 00:49 To: Ubuntu Studio Development mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com>> Subject: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga Hi everyone, Specifically to Ross: where are we at with this bane-of-our-existence conflict (LP: 1810534)? ISO builds are still failing and will probably fail until we can get lmms from Debian to build properly. So, any more word? Thanks, Erich -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com<mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga
LMMS isn’t the problem. The problem was erroneous packaging by the Debian packager. The ladspa version of the Calf plugins were never meant to be exposed to other applications besides LMMS, but the packager of LMMS in Debian decided to expose the ladpsa version to the rest of the system against the advice of both the Calf and LMMS developers. Erich From: ubuntu-studio-devel on behalf of Jonathan Aquilina Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 9:39 PM To: Ubuntu Studio Development Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga Has anyone even subscribed to the lmms mailing list to discuss this there and maybe get it squared away once and for all? -Original Message- From: ubuntu-studio-devel On Behalf Of er...@ericheickmeyer.com Sent: 01 February 2019 00:49 To: Ubuntu Studio Development Subject: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga Hi everyone, Specifically to Ross: where are we at with this bane-of-our-existence conflict (LP: 1810534)? ISO builds are still failing and will probably fail until we can get lmms from Debian to build properly. So, any more word? Thanks, Erich -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga
Has anyone even subscribed to the lmms mailing list to discuss this there and maybe get it squared away once and for all? -Original Message- From: ubuntu-studio-devel On Behalf Of er...@ericheickmeyer.com Sent: 01 February 2019 00:49 To: Ubuntu Studio Development Subject: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga Hi everyone, Specifically to Ross: where are we at with this bane-of-our-existence conflict (LP: 1810534)? ISO builds are still failing and will probably fail until we can get lmms from Debian to build properly. So, any more word? Thanks, Erich -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga
On Thu, 31 Jan 2019, er...@ericheickmeyer.com wrote: Specifically to Ross: where are we at with this bane-of-our-existence conflict (LP: 1810534)? ISO builds are still failing and will probably fail until we can get lmms from Debian to build properly. Wait for LMMS to stop using depricated plugins? Then include it. -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
[ubuntu-studio-devel] LMMS & Calf: The Ongoing Saga
Hi everyone, Specifically to Ross: where are we at with this bane-of-our-existence conflict (LP: 1810534)? ISO builds are still failing and will probably fail until we can get lmms from Debian to build properly. So, any more word? Thanks, Erich signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
