Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Missing applications: Audacious & Shotwell

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 21:20:49 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>2. Synaptic not really is an apt-get front-end, e.g. packages hold by
>Synaptic aren't hold for apt-get and packages hold by apt-get aren't
>hold by Synaptic.
  
by apt(-mark), or
similar, for
command line

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Missing applications: Audacious & Shotwell

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 14:02:43 -0400, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:
>In my work which includes manual updates and excluding packages with
>problem newer versions Synaptic in mandatory. Anytime I install
>Ubuntu, Mint, or Debian anywhere it's something I always install if
>not already present.

It's important to report bugs. For Wily Synaptic never gets fixed, but
seemingly at least the history issue is fixed for Xenial [1].

For several reasons I switched from Synaptic to command line only,
excepted I should search something, but even this I more often do with
an Internet browser.

1. Ubuntu seemingly maintains Synaptic less good, perhaps in the hope
users will use some evil Ubuntu GUI.

2. Synaptic not really is an apt-get front-end, e.g. packages hold by
Synaptic aren't hold for apt-get and packages hold by apt-get aren't
hold by Synaptic.

3. I anyway need to handle some things, Synaptic can't handle [2].

[1]
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synaptic/+bug/1487890
[2]
apt-get update && apt-file update && auto-apt updatedb && auto-apt update-local 
&& apt-get dist-upgrade && apt-get autoremove

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Missing applications: Audacious & Shotwell

[Matthew Bearson]

Go ahead and add the packages but thoroughly check for incompatibility
issues between versions and/or other various bugs inside releases of the
application(s).
Currently I see no problems that may emerge in the near or distant future,
Audacious should be fine but keep a close eye on Shotwell and Synaptic.

On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Ross Gammon  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Prompted by a comment by Len on IRC (about Audacious), I did a quick
> check for obvious packages that might have dropped of our DVD without a
> conscious action.
>
> When producing the Package QA Tracker, I prioritised the Test Cases
> based on what was in our menu at the time.
>
> The only one that seems to have dropped off is Audacious:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-meta/+bug/1565040
>
> And then when checking the bugs for Len's Synaptic bug, I discovered a
> bug related to Shotwell:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-meta/+bug/1189250
>
> Is there any reason why I shouldn't add these to to our seeds? I don't
> want to randomly add packages without thinking about it first.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ross
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Missing applications: Audacious & Shotwell

[Set Hallstrom]

On 2016-04-02 19:18, Len Ovens wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Apr 2016, Len Ovens wrote:
> 
>> Hmm, commit 1445 comment "Removed Shotwell." I didn't do a very good
>> job. :P
> 
> Further looking finds:
> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio-dev/msg00586.html
> Which gives the reason why it was removed.
> 

right! :) I still wonder if rawtherapee should be included; I've never
had a single hustle-free session with it. But that is just me. However,
for that reason i know very little about it. And filing a bug-repport is
a detour compared to simply firing up the next alternative in the list:
darktable, which works great.

Anyone else has gotten better luck with rawtherapee?

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Missing applications: Audacious & Shotwell

[Set Hallstrom]

On 2016-04-03 13:24, Jimmy Sjölund wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 18:57, Len Ovens <'l...@ovenwerks.net'> wrote:
>> On Sat, 2 Apr 2016, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
>>
>> > I think all DEs have a media player that comes with the DE. So, I don't
>> > see why audacious absolutely needs to be included.
>> > Is Shotwell intresting for graphics?
>>
>> I think we removed shotwell on purpose a cycle or two ago. It may have
>> been a (temporary) bug at the time, I don't remember now. Maybe our dev
>> wiki should have an annotated list of packages added/removed and the
>> reason. BZR commit comments should tell as well.
>>
>> That's my recollection as well. 
> 
> 

Shotwel is an appreciated software, but i remember it being removed on
purpose. It couldn't handle very large photo-libraries, would simply
just crash when the library was to large. Also it tends to re-organize
photos, pretty much like iTunes does. I think it possible to configure
how, but by default, it imports and sorts the photos according to its
default settings, which i personaly think is PITA. Maybe it has become
better. But it is more of a gadget than a production tool. Also, we
already have 2 professionak RAW developers / Library Managers: Darktable
and RawTherapee and for quick navigation of photos, file-manager+
ristretto beats shotwell in both speed and simplicity. I'd rather _not_
see shotwell come back TBH.

Audacious, on the other hand, i'm sure we will get many comments for
it's absence. I for one, will have it high on my todo-list after
install. Obviously, like zequence say, it is an apt-get install away.
But hey, we provide the users with tools to create music/video,
shouldn't we provide them the tools to watch/hear it?

My 2 pennies...

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Missing applications: Audacious & Shotwell

[Jimmy Sjölund]

On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 18:57, Len Ovens <'l...@ovenwerks.net'> wrote:
On Sat, 2 Apr 2016, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:

> I think all DEs have a media player that comes with the DE. So, I don't
> see why audacious absolutely needs to be included.
> Is Shotwell intresting for graphics?

I think we removed shotwell on purpose a cycle or two ago. It may have
been a (temporary) bug at the time, I don't remember now. Maybe our dev
wiki should have an annotated list of packages added/removed and the
reason. BZR commit comments should tell as well.
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Missing applications: Audacious & Shotwell

[Ross Gammon]

Thanks guys,

On 04/02/2016 07:18 PM, Len Ovens wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Apr 2016, Len Ovens wrote:
> 
>> Hmm, commit 1445 comment "Removed Shotwell." I didn't do a very good
>> job. :P
> 
> Further looking finds:
> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio-dev/msg00586.html
> Which gives the reason why it was removed.

I think I will close the bugs, and drop Audacious from the Package QA
tracker. It doesn't seem worth adding them in at this point. They can
always be installed by users that miss them.

A small list of priority packages that are in our seed somewhere
(notated as such so they don't get accidentally dropped), and mandatory
to test on the QA Package Tracker before we get to Beta Release would be
a good idea I think. We could then prioritise bug triage activities on
those throughout the whole cycle as well, and not be rushing at release
time.

We could/should also maintain a list of packages for each LTS that we
want to work on Stable Release Updates (SRU) and backports of.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Missing applications: Audacious & Shotwell

[Len Ovens]

On Sat, 2 Apr 2016, Len Ovens wrote:


Hmm, commit 1445 comment "Removed Shotwell." I didn't do a very good job. :P


Further looking finds:
https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio-dev/msg00586.html
Which gives the reason why it was removed.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Missing applications: Audacious & Shotwell

[Len Ovens]

On Sat, 2 Apr 2016, Len Ovens wrote:


On Sat, 2 Apr 2016, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:


I think all DEs have a media player that comes with the DE. So, I don't
see why audacious absolutely needs to be included.
Is Shotwell intresting for graphics?


I think we removed shotwell on purpose a cycle or two ago. It may have been a 
(temporary) bug at the time, I don't remember now. Maybe our dev wiki should 
have an annotated list of packages added/removed and the reason. BZR commit 
comments should tell as well.


Hmm, commit 1445 comment "Removed Shotwell." I didn't do a very good job. 
:P


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Missing applications: Audacious & Shotwell

[Len Ovens]

On Sat, 2 Apr 2016, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:


I think all DEs have a media player that comes with the DE. So, I don't
see why audacious absolutely needs to be included.
Is Shotwell intresting for graphics?


I think we removed shotwell on purpose a cycle or two ago. It may have 
been a (temporary) bug at the time, I don't remember now. Maybe our dev 
wiki should have an annotated list of packages added/removed and the 
reason. BZR commit comments should tell as well.



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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Missing applications: Audacious & Shotwell

[Kaj Ailomaa]

On Sat, Apr 2, 2016, at 05:46 PM, Ross Gammon wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> Prompted by a comment by Len on IRC (about Audacious), I did a quick
> check for obvious packages that might have dropped of our DVD without a
> conscious action.
> 
> When producing the Package QA Tracker, I prioritised the Test Cases
> based on what was in our menu at the time.
> 
> The only one that seems to have dropped off is Audacious:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-meta/+bug/1565040
> 
> And then when checking the bugs for Len's Synaptic bug, I discovered a
> bug related to Shotwell:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-meta/+bug/1189250
> 
> Is there any reason why I shouldn't add these to to our seeds? I don't
> want to randomly add packages without thinking about it first.

I think all DEs have a media player that comes with the DE. So, I don't
see why audacious absolutely needs to be included.
Is Shotwell intresting for graphics?

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Missing applications: Audacious & Shotwell

[Len Ovens]

On Sat, 2 Apr 2016, Ross Gammon wrote:


Prompted by a comment by Len on IRC (about Audacious), I did a quick
check for obvious packages that might have dropped of our DVD without a
conscious action.

When producing the Package QA Tracker, I prioritised the Test Cases
based on what was in our menu at the time.

The only one that seems to have dropped off is Audacious:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-meta/+bug/1565040


Probably would have to compare LTS to LTS.


Is there any reason why I shouldn't add these to to our seeds? I don't
want to randomly add packages without thinking about it first.


The proper thing to do (too late this cycle) is to create a new meta for 
desktop utilities we want to make sure are there no matter which DE gets 
used. My list would include:

 - a video player (one that video producers want to test with)
 - audio player
 - gparted (this is on the ISO anyway)
 - synaptic
 - pavucontrol (KDE's audio control is hard to follow or porvide support with)
 - ubuntustudio-controls

This is just my personal list I have found useful as I have installed 
Studio's metas on other DEs. It is not nessessarily complete or correct.


There are of course other apps I always install as well like joe, but that 
is totally person preference.



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