Re: studio and xubuntu
On Tue, February 26, 2013 10:03 am, Elizabeth Krumbach wrote: On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 6:20 AM, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote: The packages are up to date. That is we do have xfce 4.10 for example. I'm a bit confused here, Xubuntu 12.10 uses Xfce 4.10. Where does Studio use 4.10 that Xubuntu does not? Was there an update on 12.04 that includes it? Sorry to be confusing. Lets just say that studio and xubuntu use the same version of xfce. The difference that I have seen is in the settings manager. Xubuntu has all the settings in the settings manager. We seem to part way but still have a lot in the settings menu instead. There are a few things that are audio specific like LADI, but even that could be added to the manager I think. I added the the colorimeter applet already. Mostly this is a matter of adding our own *.desktop files. (or getting xubuntu's installed) The places we are behind in are the places where xubuntu does not equal xfce. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: studio and xubuntu
Len, Can you check if it is light and stable ? If it is still the case, it would be great to update Ubuntu Studio to the same version than Xubuntu. It would have a less old look'n feel. Toine Antoine THOMAS Tél: 0663137906 2013/2/25 Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net We chose to use xubuntu as the base for ubuntu studio to ease maintenance issues. Hoping we could work with them to give both of us less work. However, xubuntu has moved on in a lot of ways and while we are keeping up with the xfce releases, we are less and less like xubuntu. A small example is the xubuntu settings setup. They have all of their settings as part of the settings manager. There are some other things too, but I have already forgotten them. I don't know that this is a problem, I just thought it was worth mentioning. Studio is based on xubuntu 11.10. Do we want to move it back a little closer? or does that matter? Perhaps just using them as a place to get started with xfce was enough. Just remembered they enable gnome services by default, we don't. I would like to know why :) Maybe it would fix some of the bits we have had problems with. Anyway, I have installed xubuntu on my netbook so I can see what differences there are and if we should make changes too. -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: studio and xubuntu
On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 08:27:51PM -0800, Len Ovens wrote: We chose to use xubuntu as the base for ubuntu studio to ease maintenance issues. Hoping we could work with them to give both of us less work. snip [...] Studio is based on xubuntu 11.10. I don't understand this. Studio bases on current cycle packages every time, it's not looking back in any way. The whole point is to not having to maintain anything in the core package level, that would occur had we chosen to stand on an older release only (eventually anyway, once the support from vanilla and Xubuntu team ends). Is this just a misunderstanding of some sort? Just remembered they enable gnome services by default, we don't. I would like to know why :) Maybe it would fix some of the bits we have had problems with. I can check later today, I'm sure it's somewhere in the seeds. Anyway, I have installed xubuntu on my netbook so I can see what differences there are and if we should make changes too. Which version did you install, and which version are you comparing it with? Best regards, -- Jaska (astraljava on freenode.net) signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: studio and xubuntu
On Mon, February 25, 2013 1:29 am, Janne Jokitalo wrote: On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 08:27:51PM -0800, Len Ovens wrote: We chose to use xubuntu as the base for ubuntu studio to ease maintenance issues. Hoping we could work with them to give both of us less work. snip [...] Studio is based on xubuntu 11.10. I don't understand this. Studio bases on current cycle packages every time, it's not looking back in any way. The whole point is to not having to maintain anything in the core package level, that would occur had we chosen to stand on an older release only (eventually anyway, once the support from vanilla and Xubuntu team ends). The packages are up to date. That is we do have xfce 4.10 for example. However compare the settings manager from one to the other. Xubuntu has more stuff in there than studio does even though studio has the applications that xubuntu shows inside the settings manager, in Studio the same app is just in the menu. I know these are minor details... Just remembered they enable gnome services by default, we don't. I would like to know why :) Maybe it would fix some of the bits we have had problems with. I can check later today, I'm sure it's somewhere in the seeds. -default-settings Anyway, I have installed xubuntu on my netbook so I can see what differences there are and if we should make changes too. Which version did you install, and which version are you comparing it with? 13.04 to 13.04 -- Len Ovens www.OvenWerks.net -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: studio and xubuntu
On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 15:20:57 +0100, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote: On Mon, February 25, 2013 1:29 am, Janne Jokitalo wrote: On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 08:27:51PM -0800, Len Ovens wrote: We chose to use xubuntu as the base for ubuntu studio to ease maintenance issues. Hoping we could work with them to give both of us less work. snip [...] Studio is based on xubuntu 11.10. I don't understand this. Studio bases on current cycle packages every time, it's not looking back in any way. The whole point is to not having to maintain anything in the core package level, that would occur had we chosen to stand on an older release only (eventually anyway, once the support from vanilla and Xubuntu team ends). The packages are up to date. That is we do have xfce 4.10 for example. However compare the settings manager from one to the other. Xubuntu has more stuff in there than studio does even though studio has the applications that xubuntu shows inside the settings manager, in Studio the same app is just in the menu. I know these are minor details... The problem I see is we should really have one person maintaining the desktop. Someone who does a bit of research each cycle to see what is happening purely desktop-wise. Anyone willing to volunteer for this? I don't expect that anyone currently active developer will find the time to do it, and this question is a little premature. I'd like to try get more people involved, who nessecarily don't know much about Ubuntu flavor OS development, but would be willing to work on different features for Ubuntu Studio. Ideally, we'd have one person for each workflow, people who know their stuff in those areas, who would make a map of available tools and applications, and make sure our selection is a clean and fully functional representation of what people want/need out of the box. And when it comes to the desktop, that's almost zero multimedia specific, so it shouldn't be hard to find someone interested in only working on that, as it would probably not be that time consuming either (as we have the luxury of being able to derive our work off of Xubuntu's :P). Of course, the more technical aspects of it may need some assistance from our -dev and -contributor team people. When we start the next cycle of development, and we begin planning, I'd like to put a lot of energy on hunting for developers. Through mail lists, and social medias, and why not news channels as well. This means we need to be prepared for it - our wikis, home page, and social channels should all be set up and organized for this. That is one of my major goals for the end part of this cycle. I'd think Howard could be the right man for the desktop part, but I fear he is already tied up with too many knots :) -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: studio and xubuntu
On 2013-2-26 上午12:33, Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me wrote: On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 15:20:57 +0100, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net wrote: On Mon, February 25, 2013 1:29 am, Janne Jokitalo wrote: On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 08:27:51PM -0800, Len Ovens wrote: We chose to use xubuntu as the base for ubuntu studio to ease maintenance issues. Hoping we could work with them to give both of us less work. snip [...] Studio is based on xubuntu 11.10. I don't understand this. Studio bases on current cycle packages every time, it's not looking back in any way. The whole point is to not having to maintain anything in the core package level, that would occur had we chosen to stand on an older release only (eventually anyway, once the support from vanilla and Xubuntu team ends). The packages are up to date. That is we do have xfce 4.10 for example. However compare the settings manager from one to the other. Xubuntu has more stuff in there than studio does even though studio has the applications that xubuntu shows inside the settings manager, in Studio the same app is just in the menu. I know these are minor details... The problem I see is we should really have one person maintaining the desktop. Someone who does a bit of research each cycle to see what is happening purely desktop-wise. Anyone willing to volunteer for this? I don't expect that anyone currently active developer will find the time to do it, and this question is a little premature. I'd like to try get more people involved, who nessecarily don't know much about Ubuntu flavor OS development, but would be willing to work on different features for Ubuntu Studio. Ideally, we'd have one person for each workflow, people who know their stuff in those areas, who would make a map of available tools and applications, and make sure our selection is a clean and fully functional representation of what people want/need out of the box. And when it comes to the desktop, that's almost zero multimedia specific, so it shouldn't be hard to find someone interested in only working on that, as it would probably not be that time consuming either (as we have the luxury of being able to derive our work off of Xubuntu's :P). Of course, the more technical aspects of it may need some assistance from our -dev and -contributor team people. When we start the next cycle of development, and we begin planning, I'd like to put a lot of energy on hunting for developers. Through mail lists, and social medias, and why not news channels as well. This means we need to be prepared for it - our wikis, home page, and social channels should all be set up and organized for this. That is one of my major goals for the end part of this cycle. I'd think Howard could be the right man for the desktop part, but I fear he is already tied up with too many knots :) Please define what EXACTLY do you mean by too many knots. I'm OK to work on the desktop... smartboyhw -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: studio and xubuntu
On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 17:48:58 +0100, Ho Wan Chan smartbo...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013-2-26 上午12:33, Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me wrote: I'd think Howard could be the right man for the desktop part, but I fear he is already tied up with too many knots :) Please define what EXACTLY do you mean by too many knots. I'm taking into consideration that you are working on much else than just Ubuntu Studio, and you need to take care of your shool studies as well. I wouldn't want to burden you with too many tasks :) But if you feel up to it, please feel free to take it upon yourself to maintain the Ubuntu Studio desktop. This would mean going through all the desktop specific stuff, and see whether we are lacking in something or not. The simple approach is to just derive from Xubuntu, as we have done, and make sure we have full functionality. I guess there are two Ubuntu Studio parameters to take into account. * We prefer performance over looks, so if desktop FX ruin performance, no desktop FX on by default.And on the more technical side, if there are non-vital desktop services running in the background that makes performance suffer, those should also be disabled. * The custom main menu does not necessarily need to be maintained by the same person working on the desktop stuff, and currently Len is the person who is most involved in that. I have the wish that the main menu, and the application starters follow freedesktop standards as closely as possible, and if we need further categorization, we work on getting those to be standardized. This is sort of a long term thing to commit to. Other than that, just make sure all the tools are there, and of course, if you find bugs, try to get them fixed. If we find something lacking, or we have suggestions, since we are deriving from Xubuntu, a natural thing for us to do would be to work with Xubuntu on that. I'm OK to work on the desktop... smartboyhw -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
