Re: Ubuntu going through major changes - What's the Ubuntu Studio standpoint in all this?

[Len Ovens]

On Tue, March 5, 2013 7:42 pm, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:
> The whole Mir mess might become another factor.  I assume it will be  a
> long
> time before any media application gets ported to Mir, Wayland, or anything
> other than X.  The fragmentation mess is being brought up elsewhere, with
> fears that applications written for Mir will run only on Ubuntu, etc.
>
> This could be a real mess for all distros based on Ubuntu, even though
> both Mir and Wayland retain X compatability layers. X is heavy enough
> by itself, running X applications through something like this will slow
> down
> marginal or fully-loaded machines.
>
> I also expect that older DE's and things like XFCE, Cinnamon, etc will
> be ported to another display server either late or never.
>
> For those of us not interested in joining the "Tablet/Touch Revolution"
> it will be crucial that X stays in repo until all DE's have been ported
> over,
> or permanently.

Lets see, cdrecord (replaced by broken wodem), ffmpeg (replaced by avlib),
init.d (replaced by upstart or systemd), x I guess the next thing is a
unique, non-linux kernel...

I am sure the list is bigger.


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Re: Ubuntu going through major changes - What's the Ubuntu Studio standpoint in all this?

[lukefromdc]

The whole Mir mess might become another factor.  I assume it will be  a long
time before any media application gets ported to Mir, Wayland, or anything
other than X.  The fragmentation mess is being brought up elsewhere, with
fears that applications written for Mir will run only on Ubuntu, etc.

This could be a real mess for all distros based on Ubuntu, even though
both Mir and Wayland retain X compatability layers. X is heavy enough
by itself, running X applications through something like this will slow down 
marginal or fully-loaded machines.

I also expect that older DE's and things like XFCE, Cinnamon, etc will
be ported to another display server either late or never. 

For those of us not interested in joining the "Tablet/Touch Revolution"
it will be crucial that X stays in repo until all DE's have been ported over,
or permanently.

On 03/01/2013 at 7:05 PM, "Len Ovens"  wrote:
>
>On Fri, March 1, 2013 2:57 am, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
>
>> There's also a discussion going on about changing to rolling 
>release,
>> which might mean that 13.04 will never be released.
>> - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-
>February/036537.html
>
>The explanation actually makes sense. The reality is harder to 
>predict. It
>will make LTS SRUs more worth while and important which may take 
>some of
>the time and effort envisioned as being gained and refocusing on 
>LTS
>maint. That could be good though.
>
>Wait and see. I am not sure I know how to have an opinion one way 
>or the
>other. I have been using 13.04 on my daily desktop stuff and some 
>audio
>testing as well. It has been pretty solid.
>
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Re: Ubuntu going through major changes - What's the Ubuntu Studio standpoint in all this?

[ttoine]

I don't have Internet at home at the moment, only on my smartphone. It will
be hard to follow the uds.

For me all is good. If we stay with 6 monthes releases, we know it well. If
it goes to rolling release, it will be interesting.
Le 4 mars 2013 18:04, "Kaj Ailomaa"  a écrit :

> On Fri, 01 Mar 2013 11:57:33 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa 
> wrote:
>
>  I will be putting together something for UDS next week, and it will be
>> important for us to participate in the discussions of these changes as they
>> are held during that event. So, please participate in any way you can. I'll
>> post details about what may be most important for Ubuntu Studio to keep
>> track of as soon as I have more data.
>>
>>
> I can't think of anything for us to have a session about during UDS, as it
> comes on such a short notice, and we don't even know what the release model
> will look like in the future.
>
> For this reason, I suggest we follow the discussions held during the week.
> Participate in UDS sessions that are interesting to us. Right now, we're
> mainly finishing up features for the raring release, as if things were
> normal.
>
> You can find all the sessions here 
> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-**1303/
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Re: Ubuntu going through major changes - What's the Ubuntu Studio standpoint in all this?

[Kaj Ailomaa]

On Fri, 01 Mar 2013 11:57:33 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa   
wrote:


I will be putting together something for UDS next week, and it will be  
important for us to participate in the discussions of these changes as  
they are held during that event. So, please participate in any way you  
can. I'll post details about what may be most important for Ubuntu  
Studio to keep track of as soon as I have more data.




I can't think of anything for us to have a session about during UDS, as it  
comes on such a short notice, and we don't even know what the release  
model will look like in the future.


For this reason, I suggest we follow the discussions held during the week.  
Participate in UDS sessions that are interesting to us. Right now, we're  
mainly finishing up features for the raring release, as if things were  
normal.


You can find all the sessions here http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/

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Re: Ubuntu going through major changes - What's the Ubuntu Studio standpoint in all this?

[Len Ovens]

On Fri, March 1, 2013 2:57 am, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:

> There's also a discussion going on about changing to rolling release,
> which might mean that 13.04 will never be released.
> - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-February/036537.html

The explanation actually makes sense. The reality is harder to predict. It
will make LTS SRUs more worth while and important which may take some of
the time and effort envisioned as being gained and refocusing on LTS
maint. That could be good though.

Wait and see. I am not sure I know how to have an opinion one way or the
other. I have been using 13.04 on my daily desktop stuff and some audio
testing as well. It has been pretty solid.

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Re: Ubuntu going through major changes - What's the Ubuntu Studio standpoint in all this?

[Kaj Ailomaa]

On Fri, 01 Mar 2013 11:57:33 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa   
wrote:


As smartboyhw pointed out, UDS(Ubuntu Developer Summit) is being  
restructured. Held now every 3 months, instead of 6, and it will be held  
online only.
-  
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-February/036502.html


There's also a discussion going on about changing to rolling release,  
which might mean that 13.04 will never be released.
-  
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-February/036537.html




Here are the blueprints for UDS next week

https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-1303

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Ubuntu going through major changes - What's the Ubuntu Studio standpoint in all this?

[Kaj Ailomaa]

As smartboyhw pointed out, UDS(Ubuntu Developer Summit) is being  
restructured. Held now every 3 months, instead of 6, and it will be held  
online only.

- https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-February/036502.html

There's also a discussion going on about changing to rolling release,  
which might mean that 13.04 will never be released.

- https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-February/036537.html

We're currently following the discussions, and I suppose just getting our  
heads around what is going on. Nothing about the rolling release seems to  
have been decided, so it's really up for discussion.


I will be putting together something for UDS next week, and it will be  
important for us to participate in the discussions of these changes as  
they are held during that event. So, please participate in any way you  
can. I'll post details about what may be most important for Ubuntu Studio  
to keep track of as soon as I have more data.


So far, if we do get a rolling release, I come up with two thoughts on  
this:


1. We should have the power to stop package releases that present severe  
regressions. For this to work, we also need to do QA on those packages.  
This would include at least all the big multimedia packages that we have.  
Really just depends on the work needed for the QA (what can be automated  
and what not).
There has been work done on automated tests, etc, to help making QA easy  
on some of the Ubuntu Studio specific stuff. Probably, I would just begin  
by listing the most important packages, and then see how to do QA on them.


2. It would be great if we can do custom snapshots of the rolling release.  
That way we can update our live DVD whenever we want to, and have our own  
release schedule for that particular release. Probably the only packages  
involved in preparation for such a release would be the ubuntustudio  
packages, and anything that has to do with installing.


I'd like for us to be active with PR during next week. We should let our  
users know what's going on :)


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