Re: prefix for the devel list

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 2013-07-25 at 07:35 +0200, Thijs van severen wrote:
> IMHO the last thing we need is yet another ML
> I suggest using the LAD ML for devs

https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-Studio-devel

It seemingly does exist since May 2007:
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/

IOW it does exist as long as the users list does exist:
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-users/

LAD would be the wrong place for distribution development.

Btw. the prefix for the users list is removed.

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Re: prefix for the devel list

[Thijs van severen]

IMHO the last thing we need is yet another ML
I suggest using the LAD ML for devs

Thijs
Op 24-jul.-2013 12:36 schreef "Ralf Mardorf" 
het volgende:

> [ubstudio] is for ubuntu studio users at the moment
>
> what prefix for the devel list?
>
> [ubstudio-devel]?
>
> then perhaps for the users ist
>
> [ubstudio-users]?
>
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Re: OT: Help with WIFI on HP Mini 110-1030CA

[Pete Wright]

Hi Ralph
This paragraph of yours (pasted below)  really resonates with me, and I
suggest you post it as a standalone to the whole Ubuntu community; the
whole Linux community, for that matter.
I actually treat myself as a noobie, because stuff keeps changing all the
time.
Everybody should remember they are all noobies at something unless they
have given up on curiosity and growth, and try to treat everybody like they
hope to be treated in those situations.
BTW -- always nice to have somebody who helped create something important
out themselves in a modest way so I can thank them. Accordingly, thank you
Ralph, thank you a lot!

"If you want to attract noobies to a system this is
not the right way to go about it. It is very difficult indeed for one
who is focussing on learning a new OS to have to wade through off-topic
messages and comments about their posting skills or the suitability of
the OS for them, especially if they are self-conscious. Please try to
put yourself in the OP's shoes before responding to a query from a
self-professed newcomer to Linux. I think it also helps to assume any
new poster is a noobie unless you know for sure they are not, and treat
them accordingly."


On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Ross Hamblin  wrote:

> On 24/07/13 01:31, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Tue, 2013-07-23 at 09:10 -0400, Lawrence H. Bulk wrote:
> >> EVERYTHING in Linux is simple once you know the answer!
> >
> > So if the answer to "why can't LINUX use my hardware" is, that there is
> > no driver available, then it's simple to solve? Simply write a driver
> > yourself or simply pay money to get hardware that does work with Linux
> > and that has to be developed, because no available hardware does run on
> > Linux?
> > Or if you need e.g. professional NLE video software or a professional
> > working DAW, than simply write the NLE software yourself, pay somebody
> > to do, buy 100 motherboards until one is stable with your professional
> > sound card and Linux?
> >
> > Note! I'm using Linux only for > than a decade, another issues is, that
> > if you know the answer, e.g. how to do something assumed your Linux does
> > use init, than don't expect that you can solve the same issues a year
> > later, when distros switch to upstart or systemd. Don't expect this for
> > tons of other issues ;).
> >
> > To set up professional Linux environments does mean that you have to
> > figure out things again and again, to pay much money etc., sure once you
> > know the answer, then you know the answer, but for 1 answer you get, 2
> > new answers will appear.
> >
> > Users willing to use Linux, should be aware of this. Linux isn't simple!
> > To use Linux needs lot of knowhow and you need to refresh this knowhow
> > each day.
> >
> Has any one else noticed Ryan's silence? I could be wrong, but it looks
> to me that he may have been scared off by all the off-topic and lack of
> focus on his original query in this thread (and the joke probably didn't
> help much either). If you want to attract noobies to a system this is
> not the right way to go about it. It is very difficult indeed for one
> who is focussing on learning a new OS to have to wade through off-topic
> messages and comments about their posting skills or the suitability of
> the OS for them, especially if they are self-conscious. Please try to
> put yourself in the OP's shoes before responding to a query from a
> self-professed newcomer to Linux. I think it also helps to assume any
> new poster is a noobie unless you know for sure they are not, and treat
> them accordingly.
>
> I was responsible for developing the system/software/recoveryCD for this
> product: http://www.pcworld.co.nz/article/486065/enter_terminator/ in
> 2001-2002 which I believe at the time was one of the first retail
> desktop PCs running Linux out of box. I was also responsible for
> technical support so I do have some experience in this field. We found
> with that product that the support requirements were far less than the
> equivalent Windows based desktop machines of the day. Now that
> installation procedures for most distros are very simple Linux isn't so
> different or complicated, it is the post-install support that decides
> whether people stick with Linux or not.
>
> Ross
>
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Re: OT: Help with WIFI on HP Mini 110-1030CA

[Lawrence H. Bulk]

" FWIW don't you backup your Linux? I wouldn't make a new install, but
restore from a backup."

No, I never do. I wouldn't want to install from a backup as there might be
some problems which I would be unable to identify and whatever caused my
computer to stop working properly could happen again. I feel that it's
always better to effect a fresh installation. After all, that doesn't take
too long. I routinely (at least once a day, believe it or not) back up my
data (folders and files) to external drives so that it is easy to restore
my stored information. I haven't had to do a fresh installation in quite
some time though I'll probably do so on all of our computers once
v.14.04LTS is introduced.
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Re: [ubstudio] prefix

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2013-07-24 at 12:34 +0200, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
> ubuntustudio-users
+1
> ubuntu-studio-users
+1

ubuntu-studio-users is the better choice, since it's only one sign more,
but better to read and it sticks with the list's name.


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prefix for the devel list

[Ralf Mardorf]

[ubstudio] is for ubuntu studio users at the moment

what prefix for the devel list?

[ubstudio-devel]?

then perhaps for the users ist

[ubstudio-users]?


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Re: [ubstudio] prefix

[Kaj Ailomaa]

I think the best is just to stick with the name of the mail list. That's
the least confusing IMO.

I would have preferred the list to have been named ubuntustudio-users,
but since it's not, I'll just add [ubuntu-studio-users] as the prefix.

I don't have admin rights yet, but working on that.

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Re: [ubstudio] prefix

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2013-07-24 at 12:24 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Wed, 2013-07-24 at 12:19 +0200, I wrote:
> > it should be "ubuntu-studio" or similar, including the full name, but
> > please no CamelCase.
> 
> PS:
> 
> At least four to six additional signs are needed, so it should be
> similar to
> 
> "ubuntu-studio-usr"
> "ubuntu-studio-user"
> "ubuntu-studio-users"
> 
> since we also have the devel list
> 
> "ubuntu-studio-dev"
> "ubuntu-studio-devel"

PPS: Perhaps to long, so

ubuntustudio-user
ubuntustudio-users
ubuntustudio-devel

would be my choice.



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Re: [ubstudio] prefix

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2013-07-24 at 12:19 +0200, I wrote:
> it should be "ubuntu-studio" or similar, including the full name, but
> please no CamelCase.

PS:

At least four to six additional signs are needed, so it should be
similar to

"ubuntu-studio-usr"
"ubuntu-studio-user"
"ubuntu-studio-users"

since we also have the devel list

"ubuntu-studio-dev"
"ubuntu-studio-devel"


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Re: [ubstudio] prefix

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2013-07-24 at 10:55 +0100, George DiceGeorge wrote: 
> [ubstudio]
> maybe [ubs] would be a better prefix

No, on the list it's often called US only, in context of an email body
this is ok, but note, people might search the Internet to get help.

"ubs" is a useless abbreviation, it should be "ubuntu-studio" or
similar, including the full name, but please no CamelCase.

Other lists also provide a sane prefix, e.g. "xubuntu-users".


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Re: [ubstudio] prefix

[Ralf Mardorf]

PS:

Perhaps you are more comfortable with using a news reader instead of
MUAs.

http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.user.ubuntu-studio


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Re: [ubstudio] prefix

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2013-07-24 at 10:41 +0100, George DiceGeorge wrote:
> I wish this group could prefix postings with something like [ubstudio]
> so i can sort my emails into folders easier

To sort mails into folders you easily could sort by "mailing list" or
"To".

If your MUA usually should be "Microsoft Windows Live Mail
15.4.3555.308" and assumed it doesn't provide filtering by "mailing
list" and/or "To", reconsider to use another MUA.

But I agree that it is helpful, if you don't move it to a separated
folder. I only use individual folders for mailing lists with high
traffic, or if they are very important for my needs, so Ubuntu Studio
Users mails are simply kept in the inbox.  I would welcome a prefix too.

Regards,
Ralf


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Re: [ubstudio] prefix

[George DiceGeorge]

re: > > I wish this group could prefix postings with something like 
[ubstudio]

maybe [ubs] would be a better prefix
as i would get more of the unique subject line in the subject column of my 
email reader

[g]


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Re: [ubstudio] prefix

[Kaj Ailomaa]

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013, at 11:41 AM, George DiceGeorge wrote:
> I wish this group could prefix postings with something like [ubstudio]
> so i can sort my emails into folders easier
> -as does [xubuntu-users]
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users
> and as do  all yahoo groups.
> 
> [g]
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That might be a good idea. I'll see about making that happen sometime
soon.

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[ubstudio] prefix

[George DiceGeorge]

I wish this group could prefix postings with something like [ubstudio]
so i can sort my emails into folders easier
-as does [xubuntu-users]
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users
and as do  all yahoo groups.

[g]

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Re: Linux joke!

[Ross Hamblin]

On 24/07/13 20:56, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Tue, 2013-07-23 at 19:13 +0100, Alex Armani wrote:
>> How do I install an HDMI audio driver so can have sound as well as a
>> pic on the big 5o" LCD. Need to install an HDMI audio driver I think?
>> Works fine on 64bit Windows 7 Home Premium; cannot get audio at all on
>> any Linux. Acer Aspire 5551
> 
> Open a new thread and provide more information! Or is it just a joke?
> 
> 
> 
I had decided it was trolling with it coming after the "joke" and chose
to ignore it rather than complaining about it. Sorry Alex if that was
not your intention.

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Re: OT: Help with WIFI on HP Mini 110-1030CA

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 2013-07-23 at 14:38 -0400, Lawrence H. Bulk wrote:
> Sound? Whatever the problems are, there is a solution.

No, on my machine I don't find a solution. Only 2 of 8 ADAT channels are
available by jackd for my HDSPe AIO. I'm an experienced Linux audio
user. To verify if I'm simply to stupid to use HDSPmixer correctly I
installed Windows, but on Windows I'm able to use HDSPmixer aka
TotalMix.

Any hints are still welcome!

Btw. I also get hundreds of xruns using this professional card, even
with high latency on Linux. No issues on Windows and no issues with my
Envy24 cards with low latency on Linux on the same machine.

FWIW don't you backup your Linux? I wouldn't make a new install, but
restore from a backup.

When somebody ask if he should get a RME HDSPe AIO I reported the issues
I experience and recommended not to buy the card. The man who has
written the driver insulted me and spread lies about me, but didn't help
me to fix the issues :).


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Re: Linux joke!

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 2013-07-23 at 12:38 -0600, David Hughes wrote:
> In my ubuntustudio,  I can direct the audio through hdmi using the
> default audio preferences dialog, accessed through the drop down menu
> left clicking the volume widget in the toolbar.
> 
> Or have you tried that already?
> On Jul 23, 2013 1:21 PM, "Kaj Ailomaa"  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013, at 08:20 PM, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013, at 08:13 PM, Alex Armani wrote:
> > > > How do I install an HDMI audio driver so can have sound as well
> as a pic
> > > > on the big 5o" LCD. Need to install an HDMI audio driver I
> think? Works
> > > > fine on 64bit Windows 7 Home Premium; cannot get audio at all on
> any
> > > > Linux. Acer Aspire 5551
> > > >  -- 
> > >
> > > Some kernels have a bug that makes audio impossible.
> >
> > just to clarify, I meant hdmi audio, not audio in general.
> >
> > > hdmi audio should work fine on 12.04, LTS, not sure if it was
> fixed for
> > > 13.04 yet.
> > >
> > > You don't need to install drivers in other words.
> >
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Ok, again a mix of top and bottom posting and even the signature isn't
snipped, plus the name of the thread is "Linux joke!".

Communication becomes impossible, IOW troubleshooting, providing help is
impossible and even if it would be possible to help, other couldn't
benefit from this thread, since nobody who runs into an issue with HDMI,
will search the Internet for "Linux joke!".

This is a disgusting style. Could you all please stop this and take care
about a minimum of agreements, how to use a mailing list?


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Re: Linux joke!

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 2013-07-23 at 19:13 +0100, Alex Armani wrote:
> How do I install an HDMI audio driver so can have sound as well as a
> pic on the big 5o" LCD. Need to install an HDMI audio driver I think?
> Works fine on 64bit Windows 7 Home Premium; cannot get audio at all on
> any Linux. Acer Aspire 5551

Open a new thread and provide more information! Or is it just a joke?



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Re: Linux joke!

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 2013-07-23 at 11:51 -0600, David Hughes wrote:
> Maybe we're all a manifestation of Linus' egomania.

I never was insulted by Linus Torvalds, but a lot of members of the
Linux community and upstream did. IMO the egomaniac isn't Linus, IMO
there are some others out there who are the egomaniacs. There are vast
numbers of flame wars were Linus wasn't involved and FWIW I wasn't
involved either.
You wag the finger into the wrong direction.
It's good that at least "Linux" aka the kernel is that stable, since
user space, especially the desktop environments, often are a PITA.

IMO it can't harm to post a joke from time to time, however, I'm to
stupid to understand the humor of the "Napolean"-joke.


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Re: Linux joke!

[Maik Adamietz]

This is not a forum, this is a mailing list for giving support and have
discussions about Ubuntu Studio. And yes, it can be said the way i did,
straight forward and to the point because i personally don't need the kind
of cruft in my inbox from the mailing list. It's not Facebook, Twitter or
Google+ for example.


On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 7:51 PM, David Hughes wrote:

> I think maybe this is not correct form to tell posters that this is not
> the correct forum to post things in.
>
> This list seems to be suffering from  reasons to not see almost any post ,
> there is less active participation as a result.
>
> maybe it is the linux joke.  Maybe we're all a manifestation of Linus'
> egomania.
> On Jul 23, 2013 12:17 PM, "Maik Adamietz" 
> wrote:
>
>> I don't think the mailing list is meant for stuff like this but for help
>> on and discussions about Ubuntu Studio.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Alex Armani 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Subject: Linux joke.
>>> Ubuntu say ''Linux for creative humans.''
>>> I say ''I want Linux for creative chimanzees!
>>> & Linux for Rodents for Napolean & Sinbad.''
>>> Tee hee pee ;) 8) %)
>>>
>>> From: Darth Sinbad.
>>> --
>>> Benjamin ''OBI-WAN'' Kenobi.
>>> www.newmatrixism.com ;) 8)
>>> tB.xx
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